[VID] Stock 15 and H&C 15 [VID]

[FLATOUT]

Quick vid for you guys. Camera car is a stock 2015 SRT.


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ED_2cRh9NOw#

Just trying to get some sounds on camera.


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=LjvNVjyUXWU

[pdv25]

Good stuff Andy!! Love it.

[vegasgtr]

holy ass whopping! How bad is the cam at idle on your car?

[darbgnik]

Was the stock car trying? lol

[FLATOUT]

holy ass whopping! How bad is the cam at idle on your car?

Pretty tame but it sounds great. You can definitely tell it has a fixed cam, car has a great twitch to it.

[FrgMstr]

Walked him like a bitch! w00t!!1

Get us some footage at idle please.

[dethred]

Walked? That was flat out running away.

[Rapidrezults]

That thing hauls ass. This is exactly the kind of marketing this package needs. Real world RESULTS.

Thank you Andy!

[GTSilver]

Love it !!

how about a vid with a full exhaust and arrow pcm that will be great as well

[Slithr]

Amazing Andy, sounds and performs great! Also, no additional bubba elbow drag ;)

[FLATOUT]

Amazing Andy, sounds and performs great! Also, no additional bubba elbow drag ;)

I've been working on that for you lol.

[ACRucrazy]

Have there been any issues with any of the VE/Arrow package test cars running around?

[Simms]

Wow, that's a huge difference!

[Aspirations57]

Was the stock car trying? lol

+1 Did you guys stage that for high sales figures ??? Looked like he had it in reverse.

[FrgMstr]

+1 Did you guys stage that for high sales figures ??? Looked like he had it in reverse.

I talked to Andy about this last week when they did their first runs that they did not film, just to see where the Stage II car stood against a stock configuration. Andy was so friggin excited about how well the car performed he was giddy on the phone. No way he could have faked that and the video he posted exactly showed what he had described before they took the video. :) I see a Viper Exchange Stage II package (http://www.viperexchange.com/viperexchange-exclusive-performance-products-for-gen-v-vipers-3) going in my car soon at the Gen IV package is available.

In fact, I call dibs on the first one Andy!!!!!!!!!!!!

http://media.ebaumsworld.com/picture/raistlin933/Dibs-1.png

[FLATOUT]

Have there been any issues with any of the VE/Arrow package test cars running around?

No, on a very early calibration (on our mule at Arrow) the car was wanting to stall parking lot speeds, but Dick fixed it before it ever got to my car or our other test car. Everything with my car has been really, really good (knock on wood). Our other test car just made it to the top of Pikes Peak and ran great all the way there. He's making a couple small adjustments to the tune and we should be ready to go.

I can't tell you how much I enjoy driving the car this way.

[FLATOUT]

+1 Did you guys stage that for high sales figures ??? Looked like he had it in reverse.

Haha no, Jeff was a little lazy on the hit and probably doesn't shift as fast as some guys here but it wouldn't have made that much of a difference I don't think. Both cars had similar fuel loads as well.

[FLATOUT]

Wow, that's a huge difference!

Yeah it really moves out.


I talked to Andy about this last week when they did their first runs that they did not film, just to see where the Stage II car stood against a stock configuration. Andy was so friggin excited about how well the car performed he was giddy on the phone. No way he could have faked that and the video he posted exactly showed what he had described before they took the video. :) I see a Viper Exchange Stage II package (http://www.viperexchange.com/viperexchange-exclusive-performance-products-for-gen-v-vipers-3) going in my car soon at the Gen IV package is available.

In fact, I call dibs on the first one Andy!!!!!!!!!!!!

http://media.ebaumsworld.com/picture/raistlin933/Dibs-1.png

Kyle you are #1 on my list for the Gen IV Package, which is coming.

[Simms]

Awesome that a G4 package is coming as well.

[Nine Ball]

Pretty substantial difference there. Nice!

[lochnessmonster]

I thought the white car was a Prius???!!!!!

[Voice of Reason]

For the Tune/Header vs Head/Cam package test can you do one run from 40 where you both start in 3rd and run it to redline in just that gear? That will take the driver completely out of the equation and will show any differences in low RPM torque between the two.

[pdv25]

For the Tune/Header vs Head/Cam package test can you do one run from 40 where you both start in 3rd and run it to redline in just that gear? That will take the driver completely out of the equation and will show any differences in low RPM torque between the two.

Andy can drive, so we could do a real race. If anyone wants to open up a fund me account I'll go to Texas to run him! lol :drive:

[Darius]

Do you have cats on your car? My friend has a gen 3 with a cam and a similar exhaust, it's nasty loud n lumpy at idle.

[FLATOUT]

Andy can drive, so we could do a real race. If anyone wants to open up a fund me account I'll go to Texas to run him! lol :drive:

Actually Nineball is local and his car is now in this configuration. I'm sure we'll get them out at some point.

[FLATOUT]

Do you have cats on your car? My friend has a gen 3 with a cam and a similar exhaust, it's nasty loud n lumpy at idle.

Hi Darius,

I don't but do run a very quiet catback. I think with a Corsa on it, it would be very loud and noticeable.

[pdv25]

Actually Nineball is local and his car is now in this configuration. I'm sure we'll get them out at some point.

Awesome, that will be fun to watch! !

[vegasgtr]

what quiet catback are you running?

[FLATOUT]

what quiet catback are you running?

ARH Uproar series. I really like it actually, maybe I'm getting old but I drive the car a lot and it doesn't beat you up.

[vegasgtr]

ARH Uproar series. I really like it actually, maybe I'm getting old but I drive the car a lot and it doesn't beat you up.

with the Uproar , is the car quieter or same as stock? Also does it reduce heat by the door?

[FLATOUT]

with the Uproar , is the car quieter or same as stock? Also does it reduce heat by the door?

Car is definitely louder than stock but it has headers and no cats as well.

[Crotalidae]

Impressive!!!

[GTSilver]

Actually Nineball is local and his car is now in this configuration. I'm sure we'll get them out at some point.

I think when you guys get around and shoot the video it'll be a deal breaker for many that are hesitant on the kit. Kudos to you Andy and ViperExchange for this amazing kit !!

[slovenom]

A gen5 wil b my future car :()

After I get done with my Gen2

[FLATOUT]

A gen5 wil b my future car :()

After I get done with my Gen2

Excellent!

[slovenom]

I can say that if I had a Gen5 and was hesitant about this package, after watching this video I would b sending my car to you guys...amazing difference! !

[Aspirations57]

Car is definitely louder than stock but it has headers and no cats as well.


Flatout,
Have you had your car on the dyno with the headers,cat-back,pulley and controller before the heads and cam package and if so what kind of power were you making? I believe the H/C package is a great add but I would like to have seen it put on a stock Viper, tested as you're doing now, numbers posted, then the mods added to see other increases in hp.
In your opinion which of the mods you have are necessary if you get a H/C package?

[FLATOUT]

Flatout,
Have you had your car on the dyno with the headers,cat-back,pulley and controller before the heads and cam package and if so what kind of power were you making? I believe the H/C package is a great add but I would like to have seen it put on a stock Viper, tested as you're doing now, numbers posted, then the mods added to see other increases in hp.
In your opinion which of the mods you have are necessary if you get a H/C package?

Full exhaust, heads and cam, and Arrow stage II controller are necessary to make the advertised number. Our stage one full exhaust and Arrow ECU's typically make between 590-600. I have not had this setup on the dyno yet but expect it to make 650 SAE.

[v10tt]

Impressive run ! I would love to see it next to Alex's orange gen IV. That car run next to ur black TA , it would b d ultimate comparison video

[FLATOUT]

Impressive run ! I would love to see it next to Alex's orange gen IV. That car run next to ur black TA , it would b d ultimate comparison video

Gen V stage 1 to Gen V stage 2 would be a better comparison.

[Jack B]

That would be the ultimate test.



Gen V stage 1 to Gen V stage 2 would be a better comparison.

[FLATOUT]

That would be the ultimate test.

I'll get Nineball out at somepoint. Tonys a great driver and one of the few people that want both cars to be accurately represented. No tricks no BS.

Dick is tweaking the calibration a little bit more so I won't have the production calibration in the car for a few more days.

[pdv25]

I'll get Nineball out at somepoint. Tonys a great driver and one of the few people that want both cars to be accurately represented. No tricks no BS.

Dick is tweaking the calibration a little bit more so I won't have the production calibration in the car for a few more days.

Very well said!

Once you do run him, I hope you guys do different rolls. Like how Tony did with the C7 ZO6.

[FLATOUT]

Very well said!

Once you do run him, I hope you guys do different rolls. Like how Tony did with the C7 ZO6.

Exactly, and like we did with my old ACR.

[Zybane]

I could only imagine the difference with the supercharger kit installed. I take it the head/cam package would need to be removed for the SC install? Or?

[FLATOUT]

I could only imagine the difference with the supercharger kit installed. I take it the head/cam package would need to be removed for the SC install? Or?

Nope in addition to the H&C to hit 900.

[mjorgensen]

Nope in addition to the H&C to hit 900.

Not true, the H/C package will not work with the H/C according to the designers, you should pick one or the other. I could be wrong though I'm not as connected as the VE guys.

[FLATOUT]

Not true, the H/C package will not work with the H/C according to the designers, you should pick one or the other. I could be wrong though I'm not as connected as the VE guys.

As of now we are looking into offering it both ways Marc. The Sledgehammer 900 hp package was heads and cam and the blower to hit 900 hp at only 6 lbs of boost. We are toying with some different options for the blower package though.

[1.8t]

Interesting. I thought 6lbs of boost on a car with headers and exhaust would have no issues hitting 900hp at the crank. The Arrow release certainly didn't mention anything about having to have the heads/cam to hit that number.

[FLATOUT]

Interesting. I thought 6lbs of boost on a car with headers and exhaust would have no issues hitting 900hp at the crank. The Arrow release certainly didn't mention anything about having to have the heads/cam to hit that number.

Dick will be back at VE tomorrow I'll touch base with him again. There have been different ideas bouncing around so I'll touch base with them again.

You figure boltons gets you to around 690-700hp so at 6lbs the blower alone would need to make an additional 210hp to get to 900.

[Nine Ball]

4.3L blower at 6psi boost, on top of a high compression 8.4L V10, should likely make 900 hp (800 rwhp) without much issue.

Paxton on a stock Gen 3 at kit level low boost = adds 200 rwhp

Even my 2.3L Magnacharger on the 7.0L Z06 added 170 rwhp at 6psi. Tiny blower, smaller engine.

Just examples. I would think a 4.3L blower would easily add 250 rwhp at 6psi.

[FLATOUT]

Good to know I thought it would take more boost to get there. I'll see Dick tomorrow and chat with him.


4.3L blower at 6psi boost, on top of a high compression 8.4L V10, should likely make 900 hp (800 rwhp) without much issue.

Paxton on a stock Gen 3 at kit level low boost = adds 200 rwhp

Even my 2.3L Magnacharger on the 7.0L Z06 added 170 rwhp at 6psi. Tiny blower, smaller engine.

Just examples. I would think a 4.3L blower would easily add 250 rwhp at 6psi.

[Darius]

Good to know I thought it would take more boost to get there. I'll see Dick tomorrow and chat with him.

Tell Dick I said hurry up!!!

[vegasgtr]

I see in your sig you trapped 135 in the 1/4. what mods were on it at the time? did you ever run it stock?

[FLATOUT]

I see in your sig you trapped 135 in the 1/4. what mods were on it at the time? did you ever run it stock?

Full ARH exhaust, pulley, tune. -1800 DA I was about 3 1/2 mph faster than the other stock TA's that day. I never ran the car stock.

[mjorgensen]

Good to know I thought it would take more boost to get there. I'll see Dick tomorrow and chat with him.

I talked with Dick yesterday, he thinks you could use the big valve heads if you wanted to (although with the S/C you probably would not need to) the cam they have designed though is not S/C compatible, I don't see them going all through the development process for the cam and then the added tuning for this. The bottom end would likely need to be drastically beefed up to go beyond the planned package, at least for a company like Arrow to be comfortable offering it.

[FLATOUT]

I talked with Dick yesterday, he thinks you could use the big valve heads if you wanted to (although with the S/C you probably would not need to) the cam they have designed though is not S/C compatible, I don't see them going all through the development process for the cam and then the added tuning for this. The bottom end would likely need to be drastically beefed up to go beyond the planned package, at least for a company like Arrow to be comfortable offering it.

I had the same convo with him yesterday here in Houston. I'm happy to see it's blower only.

[slowhatch]

Impressive run ! I would love to see it next to Alex's orange gen IV. That car run next to your black TA , it would be the ultimate comparison video

They know where to find me, although I doubt it would ever come to fruition.

[Steve M]

I had the same convo with him yesterday here in Houston. I'm happy to see it's blower only.

Blower only as in still retains the VVT cam? Interesting...I'm guessing they can control how much boost gets bled off better if that's the case.