Going to get an ACR with extreme aero [Archive]

VENOM V

07-01-2015, 01:18 PM

Well I had so much fun last weekend at Laguna Seca that I've decided that I'm going to add an ACR to the stable.

I'm now running 1:37s there and don't want to beat on this beatiful Stryker Red GTS any harder. I will write up the story after the photographer gives me the pics. I'll keep Halle Berry for wine country and weekend getaways. Back to the ACR...

Here's what I'm thinking, once ordering opens up. This car will be 90% track / 10% street:

ACR
Extreme Aero
Carbon X-brace
Red w/White GTS Stripes (livery colors in tribute to Kuno, Jonathan, Tommy and the rest)

That's it, basically a hardcore model with one mission- track dominance. I cannot wait!

Todd

ViperDC

07-01-2015, 01:24 PM

ViperGeorge

07-01-2015, 01:26 PM

Green with envy. Good choice on the colors.

KB Viper

07-01-2015, 01:28 PM

gona be one sweet ride. i can't wait to see pics.

F2V

07-01-2015, 01:48 PM

Good move indeed!

J TNT

07-01-2015, 01:56 PM

Great choice ! Keep us posted ;)

ViperSmith

07-01-2015, 02:03 PM

I knew you wouldn't be able to resist.

Rapidrezults

07-01-2015, 02:12 PM

I am going with this exact combo + carbon fiber appearance package and white with black and red drivers stripe as pictured in the reveal. I cannot wait to say the least!

Nine Ball

07-01-2015, 02:45 PM

Good decision!

Darius

07-01-2015, 03:19 PM

Todd, nice meeting you! I'll be getting a ACR also. Look forward to tearing it up at the track with you one day.

Simms

07-01-2015, 03:25 PM

That will make a nice stable. Awesome you can keep both.

Snakebit10

07-01-2015, 04:00 PM

Nice. Were I getting one that would be my exact color choice for similar reasons. It would be nice if I could add a plaque with the Oreca and VE/Riley team drivers names or even more special their signatures, mounted on the car somewhere.

mikesax

07-01-2015, 04:09 PM

EXECUTIVE decision if I've ever heard one!!!! Sounds tremendous!!! Good luck and ENJOY "increased" dominance!!!

Steve-Indy

07-01-2015, 04:17 PM

Before ordering, it would be good to see some concrete numbers on the brake upgrade...especially if one wants to achieve "track dominance".

VENOM V

07-01-2015, 04:24 PM

That car will look bad ass. Great color scheme with the nod the IMSA title winning cars and the Oreca cars back in the day. I also think that combination of options is the best bang for the buck on the ACR

Green with envy. Good choice on the colors.

gona be one sweet ride. i can't wait to see pics.

Good move indeed!

I knew you wouldn't be able to resist.

Good decision!

That will make a nice stable. Awesome you can keep both.

Thanks fellas!

VENOM V

07-01-2015, 04:27 PM

I am going with this exact combo + carbon fiber appearance package and white with black and red drivers stripe as pictured in the reveal. I cannot wait to say the least!

Awesome choice. I started out with a similar options list, then I added it up and was like, :dropdev:

Even with the coupon, poor kids are gonna be on their own for college, lol

VENOM V

07-01-2015, 04:31 PM

Todd, nice meeting you! I'll be getting a ACR also. Look forward to tearing it up at the track with you one day.

Darius, it was a shame I ran out of brake pads before you were on track, I would've enjoyed mixing it up with you. Buttonwillow Oct 16 - 17 with Speed Ventures, I'll send out a NorCal Viper Club invite. Are you on our email list? if not, PM me and I'll add you.

Todd

PS- I watched your vid of the hot lap with your mom as reluctant passenger... Hillarious! She was pretty freaked out.

VENOM V

07-01-2015, 04:34 PM

EXECUTIVE decision if I've ever heard one!!!! Sounds tremendous!!! Good luck and ENJOY "increased" dominance!!!

The "standard" GTS is so damned track worthy, I can only imagine how dominant the ACR will be. I doubt anything under $900K will be able to keep up.

VENOM V

07-01-2015, 04:36 PM

Before ordering, it would be good to see some concrete numbers on the brake upgrade...especially if one wants to achieve "track dominance".

I hear you, I'm undecided on the CCBs. I see that if you do the 1 of 1 program, you can forgoe the CCBs. But after pricing it out both ways, the 1 of 1 costs too much. So I've decided to buy the non- 1 of 1 ACR and try the CCBs, use them until the rotors and/or pads are worn out. Then decide if I want to swap in steel brakes or keep running the CCBs.

Darius

07-01-2015, 04:54 PM

Darius, it was a shame I ran out of brake pads before you were on track, I would've enjoyed mixing it up with you. Buttonwillow Oct 16 - 17 with Speed Ventures, I'll send out a NorCal Viper Club invite. Are you on our email list? if not, PM me and I'll add you.

Todd

PS- I watched your vid of the hot lap with your mom as reluctant passenger... Hillarious! She was pretty freaked out.

I'd like to drive Buttonwillow. I've only raced there on a bike and a few laps on a go kart. Send the info to Darius240z@yahoo.com I managed a 1.36.5 on sunday. I have no idea where Randy finds 6 seconds. My car seems to understeer alot and it's hard getting it out of the turn without it wanting to go sideways. I tried different tire pressures, didn't seem to matter much. Maybe the lowering caps affected the handling. I never got it aligned after.

VENOM V

07-01-2015, 05:04 PM

I'd like to drive Buttonwillow. I've only raced there on a bike and a few laps on a go kart. Send the info to Darius240z@yahoo.com I managed a 1.36.5 on sunday. I have no idea where Randy finds 6 seconds. My car seems to understeer alot and it's hard getting it out of the turn without it wanting to go sideways. I tried different tire pressures, didn't seem to matter much. Maybe the lowering caps affected the handling. I never got it aligned after.

That's flying! Randy is a freak of nature, LOL. I wanted to throw my fresh R7s on and was gunning for a 1:36 too. As for understeer, my money's on your alignment as the culprit. A re-alignment to TA specs, but with -2.8 degrees front camber would do the trick. The Viper engineers encouraged me to do a bump steer check through the full range of suspension travel as well. Turns on a dime. Custom Alignment in Mountain View does all my alignment, they are track rats and know how to do it right.

Buttonwillow's a fantastic track, and as you know lots of runout so if you goof there's low risk of car damage. The repave about a year ago increased the grip significantly.

TrackAire

07-01-2015, 06:43 PM

I just got this email about an unlimited sound day at Laguna Seca on October 31st. Apparently the Ferrari Racing Days event is cancelled and opened up a spot. The weather might be a little iffy, but worth consideration. Looks like they are trying to get a commitment on the number of potential drivers. I wonder what Monterey is like Halloween night?? :devilish::devilish:

"Interested in Saturday, October 31st with
UNLIMITED SOUND
at Mazda Raceway?
If so, read on.....

Hello TMR members,

Yes, UNLIMITED sound means UNLIMITED. Not 92db, not 103db! TMR has an opportunity to have (2) run groups of an event on Saturday, October 31st (Halloween) at Mazda Raceway. The TMR groups will be either (2) Advanced groups (one for race prep'd cars and the other for non race prep'd cars) or (1) Advanced group and (1) Mixed group. Format depends on your feedback so check your calendar and reply asap with your interest.

Unlimited sound days are extremely rare and they're also extremely expensive, so that's why we're reaching out to all of you for your interest level. Review the following information ASAP and then let us know via email if you are IN or OUT.

Format: 4 group format with 2 of the 4 for TrackMasters Racing Members Only. As mentioned above, our preference is to run either (2) Advanced groups - one for race prep'd cars and the other for high performance street cars, or (1) Advanced and (1) Mixed run group. The final format is entirely up to who expresses interest and how many of you are 'A' drivers.

Cost: $400 is the target cost for the day

Number of Sessions: Schedule hasn't been developed yet but typically you can expect at least (5) 20 minute sessions.

What do to if Interested? Email us immediately at tmr.trackevents@gmail.com and let us know the following:
1. I am committed to attend this event (Yes or No)
2. What Level Driver are you?
A1 = Adv with Race prep'd car
A2 = Adv with Street Car
M = Mixed Level Driver (see website 'FAQs & Forms' for Mixed definition)

We will review feedback over the next 2 days and send another note out with our final plan. REPLY QUICKLY as this track has car count limits per run group and when we run out we run out!

Please note that Registration is NOT open yet. We need your feedback before we finalize the format and open Registration."

VENOM V

07-01-2015, 06:49 PM

George,

Normally I'd jump on that but I've got my kids that night and Antonio and Natalia would not forgive me :icon_devil:

Plus, here's my tracking schedule around that time, pretty busy. I'm hoping you can join me for some of this:

10/17-10/18 Buttonwillow with Speed Ventures (NorCal Viper Club invite will be sent)
10/24-10/25 SCCA race in the Mustang at Thunderhill
11/27 Laguna Seca unlimited dB event with Shelby Club (NorCal Viper Club invite will be sent)

Todd

rw99

07-01-2015, 10:52 PM

NorCal ACR boys. I like it.

Darius

07-02-2015, 12:35 AM

That's flying! Randy is a freak of nature, LOL. I wanted to throw my fresh R7s on and was gunning for a 1:36 too. As for understeer, my money's on your alignment as the culprit. A re-alignment to TA specs, but with -2.8 degrees front camber would do the trick. The Viper engineers encouraged me to do a bump steer check through the full range of suspension travel as well. Turns on a dime. Custom Alignment in Mountain View does all my alignment, they are track rats and know how to do it right.

Buttonwillow's a fantastic track, and as you know lots of runout so if you goof there's low risk of car damage. The repave about a year ago increased the grip significantly.

Thanks for the info. I'll give them a call and setup a appointment.

Jiaim

07-02-2015, 01:12 AM

Why not going with the heads&cam package with free install if it's going to be essentially a track car ? She would be rev angry.

Jack B

07-02-2015, 09:08 AM

This is a great thread, juxtapose the enthusiasm of this thread to the black theads from 2013 and early 2014. The support for the ACR says everything about the viper community.

VENOM V

07-02-2015, 11:24 AM

Why not going with the heads&cam package with free install if it's going to be essentially a track car ? She would be rev angry.

I want to keep it reliable. Heads and cam on the road course is tempting but it would require a rebuild more often. I had a lumpy cam in my Camaro and it blew up on the road course. It's hard enough to make a track car reliable. I do, however, see headers and a tune in my future, once warranty runs out
:drive:

VENOM V

07-02-2015, 11:26 AM

NorCal ACR boys. I like it.

I remember when I joined the NorCal Viper Club a couple years back, you were one of the few track rats. There are a bunch of us now, pretty awesome.

VENOM V

07-02-2015, 11:36 AM

This is a great thread, juxtapose the enthusiasm of this thread to the black theads from 2013 and early 2014. The support for the ACR says everything about the viper community.

So true, it's a great era to be a Viper guy and people have finally come to grips that it's the real deal. My coach last weekend is a professional driver and drives a variety of very fast high dollar race cars. He was blown away at my Viper, he said it does everything amazingly well. People tell me that he's honest and hard to impress, so this meant a lot. He had never driven a Viper before and was running low 1:36s within ten minutes behind the wheel. Given more time he would have been in the 1:34s. That's wicked fast at Seca in a stock car.

What's also amazing is the opposite vibe in the Corvette world, but for good reason. There was a C7 Z06 at Laguna Seca last weekend. In the morning session, the ambient was only 68 F. He came in from the track to the paddock in limp mode. We looked in his coolant reservoir and it had boiled much of it's coolant out, leaving little globs of stuff in the bottom of the reservoir. He said he hit 267 F coolant and 309 F oil. Yikes, I would have come in long before those temps, but he drove it until it limped. There were two other guys that overheated their Z06s at Buttonwillow on the third lap just the week before. Sad day for the Corvette track rats. Being an engineer myself, I simply cannot believe that the Corvette engineers released the Z06 as is.

Bruce H.

07-02-2015, 11:46 AM

VENOM V

07-02-2015, 11:54 AM

Exciting decision, Todd...congrats! That's awesome news. I can't wait for the track reviews and owner feedback to roll in. Hopefully Randy will get his hands on one at Laguna Seca to show the performance difference at the limit. Going to be costly when you factor in a new outfit or two for May to go with the new color scheme!

Bruce! Thanks man, really excited. I predict Randy will do a 1:31, maybe even a 1:30 at Laguna. I have no idea how that man runs the lap times he does, he's a freakin road course god. May looks good in red, haha. Although I don't see taking the ACR on too many road trips, it will mostly be in my trailer to and from the track. I will keep the big splitter in place, dampers stiff, and slammed to ideal tracking height, whatever that is. Looking forward to picking Erich's brain on set up.

With the weather getting nice, get out there and live the dream! I want to see one of your entertaining tracking write ups soon, bud. Hi to Deb from us.

Bruce H.

07-02-2015, 12:23 PM

With the weather getting nice, get out there and live the dream! I want to see one of your entertaining tracking write ups soon, bud. Hi to Deb from us.

Thanks, and I've been tracking for weeks, including yesterday! Running at the front with the fastest, and so much more left in both it and me according to data-logging. Going to be an awesome summer!

I think the new ACR tires are the big unknown at this point, but if they are completely up to the job I think Randy may clear 1:30 with relative ease.

Happy tracking, and give our best to May.

rw99

07-02-2015, 08:53 PM

I remember when I joined the NorCal Viper Club a couple years back, you were one of the few track rats. There are a bunch of us now, pretty awesome.

The enthusiasm is contagious, and coincided perfectly with Gen V. The new ACR will take it up another notch. Viper Tracks 2 is going to be EPIC!

As for the new ACR at Seca: let's get Chris Winkler back out here, and he and Pobst can see who's gonna run it fastest...

72hemi

07-06-2015, 08:16 AM

Congrats on the decision to add another Viper to your stable! That ACR is going to be incredible.

VENOM V

07-06-2015, 12:54 PM

The enthusiasm is contagious, and coincided perfectly with Gen V. The new ACR will take it up another notch. Viper Tracks 2 is going to be EPIC!

As for the new ACR at Seca: let's get Chris Winkler back out here, and he and Pobst can see who's gonna run it fastest...

How about having Kuno, Chris and Randy compete? LOL, guaranteed that with the pressure of competition, one of them would pull a 1:29 out of their hat!

Congrats on the decision to add another Viper to your stable! That ACR is going to be incredible.

Thanks John :drive:

Eachey51

07-09-2015, 12:48 PM

Viperexchange just posted on FB that the extreme aero ACR is open for ordering!

VENOM V

07-09-2015, 12:53 PM

Viperexchange just posted on FB that the extreme aero ACR is open for ordering!

Woot! Woot!

Rapidrezults

07-09-2015, 01:09 PM

Just ordered mine through Bill P. Can't wait!

Crotalidae

07-09-2015, 01:14 PM

Viperexchange just posted on FB that the extreme aero ACR is open for ordering!

This is awesome...let the mayhem begin!!!

VENOM V

07-09-2015, 01:30 PM

Just ordered mine through Bill P. Can't wait!

Details! We want juicy details!

ViperDC

07-09-2015, 01:51 PM

Just ordered mine through Bill P. Can't wait!

Nice, whats the specs?

The extreme aero became available to order a lot quicker than I thought it would, I thought they were indicating Aug/Sept

Nambo

07-09-2015, 03:19 PM

Order is in with Bill also. Y'orange with extreme aero, black center band, black drivers stripe, carbon exterior and interior groups.

Courtney @ViperExchange

07-09-2015, 03:29 PM

Nice, whats the specs?

The extreme aero became available to order a lot quicker than I thought it would, I thought they were indicating Aug/Sept

The Extreme Aero came available far sooner than any of us realized! Same is true for how quickly the banks opened for regular ACRs. Very exciting time for Viper :)

Rapidrezults

07-09-2015, 03:31 PM

White with black center band and red drivers stripe, extreme package, exterior carbon package and x-brace.

v10enomous

07-09-2015, 03:37 PM

Order is in with Bill also. Y'orange with extreme aero, black center band, black drivers stripe, carbon exterior and interior groups.

White with black center band and red drivers stripe, extreme package, exterior carbon package and x-brace.

Yum Yum drewel

genVer

07-09-2015, 03:49 PM

Congrats! I'm forcing myself to wait until next year to get mine but at least I'll get to see yours up close before then. :D

Order is in with Bill also. Y'orange with extreme aero, black center band, black drivers stripe, carbon exterior and interior groups.

canadian viper

07-09-2015, 03:52 PM

ordering opened up is one thing. building them is another.

VENOM V

07-09-2015, 04:11 PM

Order is in with Bill also. Y'orange with extreme aero, black center band, black drivers stripe, carbon exterior and interior groups.

Nice combo!!! I thought about that one too, along with Stryker Orange. Although I wouldn't do a Stryker color for a track car, too hard to do a partial repaint.

VENOM V

07-09-2015, 04:13 PM

My order is officially placed with Paul Normandin here in San Jose:

ACR
Adrenaline Red w/White GTS Stripes
Extreme Aero
Carbon X-brace

Woo hoo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Anyone know what the interior options look like? I think I want black/red but don't know if that's just red accents and stiching. That's all I want, mostly black.

Also, anyone know what ACR seat belts are? 6 points? Or just a bright red 3 point, like as has always been available?

Nambo

07-09-2015, 04:16 PM

Congrats! I'm forcing myself to wait until next year to get mine but at least I'll get to see yours up close before then. :D

Rick,

Had to take advantage of the wife saying yes. Really wanted to wait a bit but then she might change her mind. Hopefully you'll be able to check it out around Christmas.

Nambo

07-09-2015, 04:20 PM

Todd,

I believe that you are correct on the interior, either red or white accent stitching with the matching center stripe on the steering wheel. Red was not available with the Yorange exterior. Not 100% sure on the belts but think they are just red 3 points.

genVer

07-09-2015, 05:21 PM

You sir, are a lucky man!

Rick,

Had to take advantage of the wife saying yes. Really wanted to wait a bit but then she might change her mind. Hopefully you'll be able to check it out around Christmas.

Here is a picture they released of the red themed interior.

http://cdn.speednik.com/files/2015/02/mp014_030dg.jpg

VENOM V

07-09-2015, 05:30 PM

You sir, are a lucky man!

Here is a picture they released of the red themed interior.

http://cdn.speednik.com/files/2015/02/mp014_030dg.jpg

Thanks, THAT is what I want. I just called Normandin and changed interior to black/red, and will assume this is it.

Eachey51

07-09-2015, 05:43 PM

Thanks, THAT is what I want. I just called Normandin and changed interior to black/red, and will assume this is it.

You wont have the carbon though.. Idk if thats important?

VENOM V

07-09-2015, 05:49 PM

You wont have the carbon though.. Idk if thats important?

The only carbon I want is the functional pieces- the aero pieces. I'm after a hardcore model :drive:

ViperDC

07-09-2015, 05:52 PM

VENOM V

07-09-2015, 06:09 PM

Will look badass. As will the other two color combos you guys posted you're getting.

Thanks bro. A couple of my other NorCal friends have just ordered their Extreme ACRs as well. I won't spoil it, I'll let them post up when ready!

flyingskibiker

07-09-2015, 06:34 PM

Congrat's to all of you! Jelly....

VENOM V

07-09-2015, 06:42 PM

Congrat's to all of you! Jelly....

Thanks Chris :icon_devil:

ViperSmith

07-09-2015, 06:47 PM

i guess the good news is you won't have a 9 month wait this go around LOL

VENOM V

07-09-2015, 06:50 PM

i guess the good news is you won't have a 9 month wait this go around LOL

Time will tell :-P

At least I have Halle Berry and the Mustang to track in the meantime. I have no complaints, life is good

Eachey51

07-09-2015, 06:53 PM

The only carbon I want is the functional pieces- the aero pieces. I'm after a hardcore model :drive:

Its easiest to spend another mans money ;)

V10LEE

07-09-2015, 07:47 PM

Todd thank's for calling me today. I just ordered my Extreme ACR..

VENOM V

07-09-2015, 08:23 PM

Todd thank's for calling me today. I just ordered my Extreme ACR..

Lee,

That makes four of us in NorCal that ordered Extreme ACRs today, with two more that I know of that are just about ready to order. Cannot wait to terrorize the tracks together.

Todd

allans

07-09-2015, 08:37 PM

My oder IN with Bill at 1:30PM today. Comp Blue, Silver Stitching. Nothing else! "TRAKCRK" coming! Best, Allan

V10LEE

07-09-2015, 08:38 PM

Lee,

That makes four of us in NorCal that ordered Extreme ACRs today, with two more that I know of that are just about ready to order. Cannot wait to terrorize the tracks together.

Todd

It's going to be crazy bro!!

VENOM V

07-09-2015, 08:47 PM

My oder IN with Bill at 1:30PM today. Comp Blue, Silver Stitching. Nothing else! "TRAKCRK" coming! Best, Allan

Your car will be a twin to V10Lee's. Bad ass color, we tracked with Scott in his Comp Blue TA 2.0 at Laguna Seca, sweet machine.

ViperSmith

07-09-2015, 08:53 PM

Todd thank's for calling me today. I just ordered my Extreme ACR..

Was he giddy like a school girl?

Bruce H.

07-09-2015, 09:06 PM

Congrats to all of you!

It would be very cool if you guys were able to data log track info from the Vipers you're running this summer and be able to compare that with what you'll be running next year in the ACR's.

And those of you running the MCS and the new Viper Exchange active suspension this summer might consider a possible 3 or 4 way comparo between stock, MCS, active and ACR suspensions :cool:

Eachey51

07-09-2015, 09:25 PM

This is awsome! Haha

Darius

07-09-2015, 11:29 PM

You wont have the carbon though.. Idk if thats important?

Why do you say that? I ordered mine with the interior carbon package and the red and black interior.

Bruce

07-10-2015, 12:07 AM

I'd get the new ACR too, iff I can get the cabin noise (not quite a drone) down somewhat on my TA, so I can justify keeping the TA for the road and buy another car (the ACR) for the track. And that damn $15K voucher is burning a hole in my pocket.

dasvolk

07-10-2015, 12:25 AM

Your car will be a twin to V10Lee's. Bad ass color, we tracked with Scott in his Comp Blue TA 2.0 at Laguna Seca, sweet machine.

I'll jump on a couple of those Shelby club events with you. Good choice on the ACR - I think it'll have better survivability. After seeing the state of your brakes, I wouldn't want to pay for the CCB parts either... Next up is the Virginia City Hillclimb for me.

Eachey51

07-10-2015, 07:57 AM

Why do you say that? I ordered mine with the interior carbon package and the red and black interior.

Sorry, that was pointed at VenomV.

Darius

07-10-2015, 11:23 AM

Sorry, that was pointed at VenomV.

Ok I thought you knew something I didn't, like you couldn't get both for some reason.

ViperSmith

07-10-2015, 01:32 PM

VENOM V

07-10-2015, 03:12 PM

A few short months ago, the usual crowd was telling us how the Viper wouldn't be around in a year. Now look at what is out there for the car.

http://quotes.lifehack.org/media/quotes/quote-Mark-Twain-the-reports-of-my-death-have-been-88406.png

My local dealer has never seen such high demand for a Gen V as he has now. The ACR re-ignited the passion and got a lot of fence-sitters to jump!

TrackAire

07-10-2015, 04:51 PM

My local dealer has never seen such high demand for a Gen V as he has now. The ACR re-ignited the passion and got a lot of fence-sitters to jump!

Maybe Dodge will finally realize that extreme performance trumps all other issues. How cool would it be to have a Viper ACR spec series just like the Mustang Spec series but with very minimal upgrades. Other than safety gear, let them run just as delivered from the factory!!

VENOM V

07-10-2015, 04:55 PM

Maybe Dodge will finally realize that extreme performance trumps all other issues. How cool would it be to have a Viper ACR spec series just like the Mustang Spec series but with very minimal upgrades. Other than safety gear, let them run just as delivered from the factory!!

That would be my dream. Don't know if I could afford that racing series though. Racing is hard on cars and the wallet!

Darius

07-10-2015, 04:57 PM

That would be my dream. Don't know if I could afford that racing series though. Racing is hard on cars and the wallet!

How to make a million dollars racing, start out with 2 million.

VENOM V

07-10-2015, 05:09 PM

How to make a million dollars racing, start out with 2 million.

No doubt, haha.

I never crashed the Camaro or the Viper on hard-driven HPDE days. But in SCCA racing the Mustang, I've already had the following happen in only three race weekends (12 races as I race two classes):

Someone ran into the back of me: Bumper damage
Hit the red curb on turn 6 at Seca: Two busted coilovers, busted differential, busted axles, bent frame, two ruined wheels
I ran into someone at T-hill: Side body damage
Off at T-hill turn 8: Body damage, ruined wheel

On a Mustang, those are shockingly cheap to repair! In a Viper, it would have been about double.

If I win the lottery, yes I will race Vipers!