2015 supercharged mustang vs Viper

[pdv25]

Here is one more run! Mustang surprised me, hung in really well.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BOrHePRkXp4

[Steve M]

Mustang was impressive for sure.

[ACRucrazy]

That hood on the mustang wants off so bad..

Curious how those runs would have looked to 170+

[Patentlaw]

So what we know from this is:
1) You raced, admittedly, to 150 mph on a public road.
2) You did this in Florida.
3) The attempted block of the license plate of the Mustang at about 56 seconds was not really done well and you can make out the number on a large screen.

And:


Definition of ‘Racing on Highways’

The offense of Racing on Highways, or ‘Street Racing,’ is defined in Section 316.191, Florida Statutes. Under the law, ‘Racing’ can include four categories of conduct: Racing, Competitions, and Exhibitions- driving any vehicle (including motorcycles) in any race, speed competition, speed contest, drag race, acceleration contest, test of physical endurance, speed exhibition, acceleration exhibition, or driving for the purpose of making a speed record on any highway, roadway, or parking lot;


And that the penalty for such is up to 1 year in jail and revocation of your license......

Perhaps, just saying, you might want to take this down.........

[pdv25]

So what we know from this is:
1) You raced, admittedly, to 150 mph on a public road.
2) You did this in Florida.
3) The attempted block of the license plate of the Mustang at about 56 seconds was not really done well and you can make out the number on a large screen.

And:


Definition of ‘Racing on Highways’

The offense of Racing on Highways, or ‘Street Racing,’ is defined in Section 316.191, Florida Statutes. Under the law, ‘Racing’ can include four categories of conduct: Racing, Competitions, and Exhibitions- driving any vehicle (including motorcycles) in any race, speed competition, speed contest, drag race, acceleration contest, test of physical endurance, speed exhibition, acceleration exhibition, or driving for the purpose of making a speed record on any highway, roadway, or parking lot;


And that the penalty for such is up to 1 year in jail and revocation of your license......

Perhaps, just saying, you might want to take this down.........

Its all computer generated to look real. :p0273:

[slovenom]

So what we know from this is:
1) You raced, admittedly, to 150 mph on a public road.
2) You did this in Florida.
3) The attempted block of the license plate of the Mustang at about 56 seconds was not really done well and you can make out the number on a large screen.

And:


Definition of ‘Racing on Highways’

The offense of Racing on Highways, or ‘Street Racing,’ is defined in Section 316.191, Florida Statutes. Under the law, ‘Racing’ can include four categories of conduct: Racing, Competitions, and Exhibitions- driving any vehicle (including motorcycles) in any race, speed competition, speed contest, drag race, acceleration contest, test of physical endurance, speed exhibition, acceleration exhibition, or driving for the purpose of making a speed record on any highway, roadway, or parking lot;


And that the penalty for such is up to 1 year in jail and revocation of your license......

Perhaps, just saying, you might want to take this down.........
You need to get off the internets if you're so concern. .....

[KB Viper]

great kill, john lund tunes the HECK out of those mustangs. glad to see you still got him.

[pdv25]

great kill, john lund tunes the fuck out of those mustangs. glad to see you still got him.

The tuner for Lund is Ken which is the owner of this mustang. Ken tunes lots of fast cars down here, he is really good!

[Lawrenzo]

That blown 5.0 looks to be as fast as the 5.8 Shelby's.

[LmeaViper]

Good race.
thks

[plumcrazy]

looks like fun. that mustang sure looked dead even to me. good job !

[TooBlue]

So what we know from this is:
1) You raced, admittedly, to 150 mph on a public road.
2) You did this in Florida.
3) The attempted block of the license plate of the Mustang at about 56 seconds was not really done well and you can make out the number on a large screen.

And:


Definition of ‘Racing on Highways’

The offense of Racing on Highways, or ‘Street Racing,’ is defined in Section 316.191, Florida Statutes. Under the law, ‘Racing’ can include four categories of conduct: Racing, Competitions, and Exhibitions- driving any vehicle (including motorcycles) in any race, speed competition, speed contest, drag race, acceleration contest, test of physical endurance, speed exhibition, acceleration exhibition, or driving for the purpose of making a speed record on any highway, roadway, or parking lot;


And that the penalty for such is up to 1 year in jail and revocation of your license......

Perhaps, just saying, you might want to take this down.........


:t0152:.....

Nice work PDV..!

[Canadian venom]

Good kill, keep hunting :devilish:

[Space Truckin]

Surprised how well the Mustang held in there, nice runs. Also great "CG" work, thought it looked REAL lmao

[Patentlaw]

You need to get off the internets if you're so concern. .....

Learn English moron....

Just trying to keep him out of trouble. Don't want to see someone on the board get into trouble.

I guess I had to point that out for those of you who are not smart enough to even figure that out. The original poster got it.

Obviously the average IQ on the board, for some, is dropping......

[Carbon GTS]

So what we know from this is:
1) You raced, admittedly, to 150 mph on a public road.
2) You did this in Florida.
3) The attempted block of the license plate of the Mustang at about 56 seconds was not really done well and you can make out the number on a large screen.

And:


Definition of ‘Racing on Highways’

The offense of Racing on Highways, or ‘Street Racing,’ is defined in Section 316.191, Florida Statutes. Under the law, ‘Racing’ can include four categories of conduct: Racing, Competitions, and Exhibitions- driving any vehicle (including motorcycles) in any race, speed competition, speed contest, drag race, acceleration contest, test of physical endurance, speed exhibition, acceleration exhibition, or driving for the purpose of making a speed record on any highway, roadway, or parking lot;


And that the penalty for such is up to 1 year in jail and revocation of your license......

Perhaps, just saying, you might want to take this down.........

and.... we have a turd in the punch bowl ! lol

[slovenom]

Learn English moron....

Just trying to keep him out of trouble. Don't want to see someone on the board get into trouble.

I guess I had to point that out for those of you who are not smart enough to even figure that out. The original poster got it.

Obviously the average IQ on the board, for some, is dropping......Lmao pinche joto! !
The Internet police!! Go hang out at the Corvette forums jackass

[Space Truckin]

learn english moron....

Just trying to keep him out of trouble. Don't want to see someone on the board get into trouble.

I guess i had to point that out for those of you who are not smart enough to even figure that out. The original poster got it.

Obviously the average iq on the board, for some, is dropping......

WTF, I was not aware we had law enforcement monitoring our posts :z:, and for most of us this is our first "fast street car", really appreciate the input NOT

[sambo32]

LOL, that Mustang hood did want off.

[timberwolf]

A well educated gentleman such as yourself should have known that the better course of action would have been to PM him privately, rather than embarrass him publicly.
You make valid points just think a PM would have been a better venue for your warning.


Learn English moron....

Just trying to keep him out of trouble. Don't want to see someone on the board get into trouble.

I guess I had to point that out for those of you who are not smart enough to even figure that out. The original poster got it.

Obviously the average IQ on the board, for some, is dropping......

[IndyRon]

Its all computer generated to look real. :p0273:

HAHA!

I agree though, I couldn't stop staring at that mustang hood in the 2nd run after they hit 4th gear. It looks like it started life as a 5mm gap....10mm gap....15mm gap+ :fpopcorn:

[pdv25]

Surprised how well the Mustang held in there, nice runs. Also great "CG" work, thought it looked REAL lmao

Computers do amazing things now a days! :smilielol:


and.... we have a turd in the punch bowl ! lol

Dude this made me laugh SO much!!!!!!! :smilielol::smilielol:

No offense to you Patentlaw, I know you meant well.

[slovenom]

A well educated gentleman such as yourself should have known that the better course of action would have been to PM him privately, rather than embarrass him publicly.
You make valid points just think a PM would have been a better venue for your warning.

He didn't embarrassed nobody!
That video isn't Pd's first
Just didn't know we have the Internet police here!

Back to topic

Good race PD.

[Coloviper]

Mustang hung in there! Pretty good for base 5.0 Mustang with just a blower. The 5.8 Shelbys all tuned up are deadly once rolling as well.

And this is why we need 900 HP in the Viper in the Gen VI.

[1.8t]

The mustang hung in there well. Good runs!

[pdv25]

Here is a cool view of the first race. Ken is using this new gauge that goes in the car called N gauge (you can see the N gauge at beginning of the TRC vid). It's currently available for mustangs, but he told me it may work its way into the vipers. I'll see if he can chime in if you guys have questions. One feature I like is that you can change tunes with this N gauge. So for people using HP tuners and would like to change tunes, you wouldn't need to plug in the HP tuner and lap top to the car. This feature would be great for someone like me. I could have my aggressive motor tune and quickly change to my nitrous tune once I get it.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xgR7XWeJD0k

[Disturbed]

PDV....great driving as always. Thanks for the Vid!

[Kenb]

Mustang owner checking in

[IndyRon]

Dude, is that non-flat plane 5.0L spinning to 8k rpm?!?! Wow.

[slovenom]

Mustang owner checking in

Welcome dude!
Your car runs great

[Steve M]

Mustang owner checking in

Nice setup, and nice driving...I'm guessing you hurt some feelings.

[lochnessmonster]

So what we know from this is:
1) You raced, admittedly, to 150 mph on a public road.
2) You did this in Florida.
3) The attempted block of the license plate of the Mustang at about 56 seconds was not really done well and you can make out the number on a large screen.

And:


Definition of ‘Racing on Highways’

The offense of Racing on Highways, or ‘Street Racing,’ is defined in Section 316.191, Florida Statutes. Under the law, ‘Racing’ can include four categories of conduct: Racing, Competitions, and Exhibitions- driving any vehicle (including motorcycles) in any race, speed competition, speed contest, drag race, acceleration contest, test of physical endurance, speed exhibition, acceleration exhibition, or driving for the purpose of making a speed record on any highway, roadway, or parking lot;


And that the penalty for such is up to 1 year in jail and revocation of your license......

Perhaps, just saying, you might want to take this down.........

Patentlaw, although I appreciate your concern, as a criminal defence lawyer, I'd love to take this case on. Remember, unlike civil law (i.e. Patent Law), where the burden of proof is balance of probabilities, the Crown Prosecutor (obviously this is the DA etc. in the U.S.) must prove all elements of the offence beyond a reasonable doubt. So let's break this down:

The standard elements needed to prove all criminal offences are: a) Time, b) Date, c) Jurisdiction, d) Identity.

The Crown/DA wouldn't be able to prove any of these elements based on the footage I viewed. And, keep in mind, each must be proven beyond a reasonable doubt. It's not "or" it's "and". So, "Time and Date and Jurisdiction and Identity".

What time was the footage taken? What date was this footage taken? Where exactly was the footage taken? Who was driving the car? Give me a break. I'd tear this to shreds in short order. The footage doesn't provide any of this information. The only argument you have is that pdv25 incriminated himself, but you also need to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that pdv25 even posted the footage, and not someone else with access to pdv25's computer.

Also, you don't actually know that the vehicles achieved 150 mph. Yes, that is what is posted on the video, but I don't actually see it posted on the speedometer of the vehicle. For all we know, they raced from 30 mph to 60 mph and were bragging about the speed they achieved. Without a radar gun, which of course must operated by a trained and qualified operator, and has been calibrated within the time frame necessary in the jurisdiction, you got nothin' end of story.

pdv25 you've got no worries. This case would have no merit. No Crown/DA in his/her right mind would waste a second on this file, knowing full well it would be dismissed by noon.

BTW - I don't own a Viper because I like to lose.

[viper04]

As always nice run..

[pdv25]

Patentlaw, although I appreciate your concern, as a criminal defence lawyer, I'd love to take this case on. Remember, unlike civil law (i.e. Patent Law), where the burden of proof is balance of probabilities, the Crown Prosecutor (obviously this is the DA etc. in the U.S.) must prove all elements of the offence beyond a reasonable doubt. So let's break this down:

The standard elements needed to prove all criminal offences are: a) Time, b) Date, c) Jurisdiction, d) Identity.

The Crown/DA wouldn't be able to prove any of these elements based on the footage I viewed. And, keep in mind, each must be proven beyond a reasonable doubt. It's not "or" it's "and". So, "Time and Date and Jurisdiction and Identity".

What time was the footage taken? What date was this footage taken? Where exactly was the footage taken? Who was driving the car? Give me a break. I'd tear this to shreds in short order. The footage doesn't provide any of this information. The only argument you have is that pdv25 incriminated himself, but you also need to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that pdv25 even posted the footage, and not someone else with access to pdv25's computer.

Also, you don't actually know that the vehicles achieved 150 mph. Yes, that is what is posted on the video, but I don't actually see it posted on the speedometer of the vehicle. For all we know, they raced from 30 mph to 60 mph and were bragging about the speed they achieved. Without a radar gun, which of course must operated by a trained and qualified operator, and has been calibrated within the time frame necessary in the jurisdiction, you got nothin' end of story.

pdv25 you've got no worries. This case would have no merit. No Crown/DA in his/her right mind would waste a second on this file, knowing full well it would be dismissed by noon.

BTW - I don't own a Viper because I like to lose.

Well damn... lol.. If the internet police ever contacts me,( even though it's CG ) you will be my lawyer. :)

[lochnessmonster]

Anytime pal. Nice vid btw :icon_devil:

[hova00]

Hey PDV going to be in Miami tomorrow any chance of getting a race with a Lambo set up? Lambo will prolly lose but sounds like it would be fun while Iam in S FL.

[Viperawi]

Always a big fan of this ! great run !! This mustang is like 650 WHP against the 600+ WHP viper right? nice one !
Now I need to tell all new mustang owners to buy hood pins lol.

[outnumbered]

Love the run....But what I take away from the video is how well the Stang runs with the blower. Remember this is 302 cubic inch motor (I'm assuming, given its a 5.0). By comparison, and based on other videos, wouldn't that supercharged setup destroy a Hellcat? I think everything about the new Mustang body style, and performance of the Coyote motor is top notch.

[Snakebit10]

Always a big fan of this ! great run !! This mustang is like 650 WHP against the 600+ WHP viper right? nice one !
Now I need to tell all new mustang owners to buy hood pins lol.

Stock Mustang is 38xx which is about 500lbs more than the Viper. Add in the SC on this Stang and the weight is even more. I'm thinking its gotta be more than just 50rwhp separating them seeing how even they seemed to be?

Nice runs as usual PDV.

[Kenb]

Dude, is that non-flat plane 5.0L spinning to 8k rpm?!?! Wow.

Yes sir, and it's making power up there. Peak was at around 7800. I should probably spin it harder but haven't had the guts yet and I doubt the clutch would like it.

- - - Updated - - -


Stock Mustang is 38xx which is about 500lbs more than the Viper. Add in the SC on this Stang and the weight is even more. I'm thinking its gotta be more than just 50rwhp separating them seeing how even they seemed to be?

Nice runs as usual PDV.


There is a lot more to this than just peak power. RPM and gearing will play a power as well as the power band.

[Nine Ball]

Learn English moron....

Just trying to keep him out of trouble. Don't want to see someone on the board get into trouble..

Negative. You just wanted to be a condescending douche, with an audience. Go figure, someone that chooses "Patentlaw" as their username, wants to impress us.

[pdv25]

Hey PDV going to be in Miami tomorrow any chance of getting a race with a Lambo set up? Lambo will prolly lose but sounds like it would be fun while Iam in S FL.

We can meet up tonight. I'll PM you my number.

[moe.basilo]

Here is a cool view of the first race. Ken is using this new gauge that goes in the car called N gauge (you can see the N gauge at beginning of the TRC vid). It's currently available for mustangs, but he told me it may work its way into the vipers. I'll see if he can chime in if you guys have questions. One feature I like is that you can change tunes with this N gauge. So for people using HP tuners and would like to change tunes, you wouldn't need to plug in the HP tuner and lap top to the car. This feature would be great for someone like me. I could have my aggressive motor tune and quickly change to my nitrous tune once I get it.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xgR7XWeJD0k

that was a close race paul .. good job
but i doubt thats a 650 wheel hp i think its a 700 wheel hp .. i remember seeing a video of a supercharged/nos camaro 750 wheel hp vs your ride .. and it barely walked away .. if thats a 650 wheel hp stang thats gone hurt alot of feelings on the street to be honest. Nice rice from both thumbs up

[Kenb]

that was a close race paul .. good job
but i doubt thats a 650 wheel hp i think its a 700 wheel hp .. i remember seeing a video of a supercharged/nos camaro 750 wheel hp vs your ride .. and it barely walked away .. if thats a 650 wheel hp stang thats gone hurt alot of feelings on the street to be honest. Nice rice from both thumbs up ����



That's because it was a Camaro lol.

I tune cars for a living. So when I say numbers, they are realistic real world numbers. Not glory pulls that are pretty much standard.

[v10tt]

KenB, impressive Stang!!, damn incredible RPMs.
Is that on Pump Gas? How much is a set up like that turn key?

PDV nice driving as always, but the Munstang driver can powershift too.

I also notice you started in 3rd gear, did you change the gears in the back?, or does it have OEM 3.73s?

[Kenb]

KenB, impressive Stang!!, damn incredible RPMs.
Is that on Pump Gas? How much is a set up like that turn key?

PDV nice driving as always, but the Munstang driver can powershift too.

I also notice you started in 3rd gear, did you change the gears in the back?, or does it have OEM 3.73s?

Yes, pump gas. I think this kit is around $8500 plus I have exhaust done. This is the Performance Pack GT which has 3.73s stock.

[pdv25]

KenB, impressive Stang!!, damn incredible RPMs.
Is that on Pump Gas? How much is a set up like that turn key?

PDV nice driving as always, but the Munstang driver can powershift too.
I also notice you started in 3rd gear, did you change the gears in the back?, or does it have OEM 3.73s?

I knew I shouldn't have given Ken lessons in power shifting before the race. J.k. :smilielol::drive:

[hova00]

We can meet up tonight. I'll PM you my number.

sounds good! I'll hit u up later

[moe.basilo]

That's because it was a Camaro lol.

I tune cars for a living. So when I say numbers, they are realistic real world numbers. Not glory pulls that are pretty much standard.

Lol good job ken

[pdv25]

sounds good! I'll hit u up later

I'll see if I can convince v10TT to come also.

[TrackAire]

Yes, pump gas. I think this kit is around $8500 plus I have exhaust done. This is the Performance Pack GT which has 3.73s stock.

Nice runs in the Mustang....that Coyote really responds well to FI.

IMO, you probably would have won the race if the hood had some major venting in it. The amount of energy needed to bend the hood up like that is a mini aero parachute at speeds over 100 mph. Something similar to a Gen 4 hood would be ideal. Once you're rolling at speeds over 130 mph the weight difference of the car is not as dramatic as the aero drag difference. Here is one example for the Mustang.

http://cortexracing.com/product/2015-ford-mustang-tiger-racing-louvered-hood-carbon-fiber/

[Kenb]

Nice runs in the Mustang....that Coyote really responds well to FI.

IMO, you probably would have won the race if the hood had some major venting in it. The amount of energy needed to bend the hood up like that is a mini aero parachute at speeds over 100 mph. Something similar to a Gen 4 hood would be ideal. Once you're rolling at speeds over 130 mph the weight difference of the car is not as dramatic as the aero drag difference. Here is one example for the Mustang.

http://cortexracing.com/product/2015-ford-mustang-tiger-racing-louvered-hood-carbon-fiber/

I'd rather just add hood pins and more power. Those hoods aren't the best quality. I could also open up the stock vents more or replace them with something else that flow better.

[slovenom]

Impressive far Kenb.... I love those videos

What happened to the orange UG lambo
He hasn't race anyone lately

[Kenb]

Impressive far Kenb.... I love those videos

What happened to the orange UG lambo
He hasn't race anyone lately

Not sure but I'd love to take a shot at him when my other car is finished.

[v10tt]

Ken, any 60-130 times for the SC Mustang Set up?

[Kenb]

Ken, any 60-130 times for the SC Mustang Set up?

Nothing crazy. Right around 8.0

[Orange TA]

Really surprised by this. I would've thought Paul's TA was a lot faster than that.


Nothing crazy. Right around 8.0

[Kenb]

Really surprised by this. I would've thought Paul's TA was a lot faster than that.

That's just based off a datalog, not a vbox or anything.

[pdv25]

That's just based off a datalog, not a vbox or anything.

8.0 seems slow Ken. Bench racing here, my GTR did (6.4). I've ran a few cars with the viper that I ran with my old GTR. I'll try and borrow a V-box to see what it does. Most full bolt on GTR's on E85 run around that time. I've ran 3 of them and have been able to pull them or stay right there with them.

[PAVenomRT/10]

I agree with Patentlaw. Street racing is illegal for a reason. Jackasses create mayhem on the public roads all too frequently. I understand the need for speed. That is why there are publically available tracks to safely test you and your car"s mettle.
PAVenomRT/10

[v10tt]

I think Tony ( Nine Ball) has done 7.30s on a stock Viper, So Paul's car has to be in the mid 6s, and around there for the Mustang too...

[Kenb]

BTW, that video is wrong. Not only do I run 8.0 60-130, I only make 550 rwhp. LOL

[pdv25]

BTW, that video is wrong. Not only do I run 8.0 60-130, I only make 550 rwhp. LOL

LMAO!! Grudge racer, never wanting to show your hand.:)

[slovenom]

My local site in Tennessee going nuts over this video :)
Kudos guys !!

Can't wait to get my #drivermod

[pdv25]

My local site in Tennessee going nuts over this video :)
Kudos guys !!

Can't wait to get my #drivermod

Awesome ! lol... Sent you a PM.

[vegasgtr]

your 60-130 is 8.0 because you nailed it right at 58-60 which triggers it slightly early. to get an accurate 60-130 you need to hit it at 45ish and build momentum past 60.

awesome video Paul!

Found a 2014 white with red leather. Picking it up this Thursday. excited!

[pdv25]

your 60-130 is 8.0 because you nailed it right at 58-60 which triggers it slightly early. to get an accurate 60-130 you need to hit it at 45ish and build momentum past 60.

awesome video Paul!

Found a 2014 white with red leather. Picking it up this Thursday. excited!

Awesome Sam, great to have you on here!!! :) Congrats!!Post up pictures once you get it!. BTW going to borrow Asiers V-box and try it out.

[vegasgtr]

Awesome Sam, great to have you on here!!! :) Congrats!!Post up pictures once you get it!. BTW going to borrow Asiers V-box and try it out.

I bet you are high 6's in this weather.

[lochnessmonster]

I agree with Patentlaw. Street racing is illegal for a reason. Jackasses create mayhem on the public roads all too frequently. I understand the need for speed. That is why there are publically available tracks to safely test you and your car"s mettle.
PAVenomRT/10

I'm not all that religious, but there are a couple of phrases my grandfather taught me that seem appropriate: "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone." It's a beautiful phrase isn't it? I think there's another one that goes something like, "Judge not, lest yea be judged." I wonder how many people on this Viper forum can legitimately reach down and pick up a stone, or can sit in a seat of judgement? Keeping in mind that driving 1 mph over the speed limit is against the law. I'm willing to bet, not one, and I'm also not a gamblin' kinda guy either.

In this case, I think a reference to Darwin's "natural law of selection" is helpful. There is a phrase the father of a buddy of mine in Parker, Colorado, used to use, "Hey boys, f#$k around, f#$k around, and one day you won't be around." I always liked that guy.

There's nothing I saw in the video posted that looked anything like "mayhem", or placed other people at risk, other than the boys with their toys. I'm also not a strong proponent of "guilt by association."

[vegasgtr]

I know that spot where they race. It's very safe. The only people they are putting in danger is themselves. Meaning ZERO chance of someone popping out, zero chance of hitting any innocent bystander. It is really no different than you and I racing on a close circuit and hitting a wall on a long straight. It s a risk that will only put the driver at harm. At the end both drivers accept the responsibility for both of their lives.

I never race where anyone can pop out of a side street. I also try and race on road where there is no traffic. Does not mean once in a while i don't get caught in the moment. If anyone one on this forum that drives a Viper and tell me they have never gone WOT on the street is full of shit! lol

[FLATOUT]

your 60-130 is 8.0 because you nailed it right at 58-60 which triggers it slightly early. to get an accurate 60-130 you need to hit it at 45ish and build momentum past 60.

awesome video Paul!

Found a 2014 white with red leather. Picking it up this Thursday. excited!

That's going to be a great looking car!

[ViperSmith]

I don't get the preaching on street racing. I am personally not a fan at all, I think it is dangerous.

But, so does everyone doing it. They know their is a risk of getting caught and the stiff penalties that can go with it. Injure a third party and you'll be gutted in civil court.

Don't like it, don't view the threads.

[vegasgtr]

Like I said , both drivers and both passengers accept the risk. Just like a formula race car driver knows there is a pretty good chance they will be killed every event.

As long as you are ok with the risk and no one else is in danger i see no issues with it.

[lochnessmonster]

To be clear, I appreciate the position Patentlaw and PAVenomRT/10 take, and clearly their view is consistent with the majority of society, or there wouldn't be laws on the books as referenced.

My feeling is that everyone on this forum who has the resources necessary to purchase one of these toys, and knows how to use a computer, is similarly educated enough to know what the laws are in their state, and what the consequences for breaking those laws are, physically, legally, financially, etc. Just be responsible for your irresponsibility: :smileys-car-driving:police-car-004:

[Kenb]

your 60-130 is 8.0 because you nailed it right at 58-60 which triggers it slightly early. to get an accurate 60-130 you need to hit it at 45ish and build momentum past 60.

awesome video Paul!

Found a 2014 white with red leather. Picking it up this Thursday. excited!


Ok cool. I wasn't sure of the correct way to measure it. I can probably build that into our new device to at least get a rough measurement.