**TEASER** D3 Performance Engineering Twin Turbo System

[Evan@D3PE]

Quick peek of what we've been working on here at D3 Performance Engineering!


We've been quietly but steadily developing our complete Turn-Key Twin Turbo Package for the Gen5 Viper and here are some of the first shots of the completed product! We may not be the first but we've kept our heads down and put in the time and effort in development to ensure that all of our customers get a top notch quality product the first time! All of the design, development, and testing have been done here in-house so there is no need to rely on outside sources for any aspect of the build!
We will restore your faith in Texas Viper builders!



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Full media and write up coming soon!

Thanks Adrian for getting us setup as a forum sponsor!

[KB Viper]

awesome work Evan! is this using the pro EFI stand alone or stock PCM?

[99RT10]

How much boost and what size turbos are you using? Oil-less turbos? AEM Infinity? Clean install.

[triblk6spd]

Interested in more detailed install and finished pics. As well as all the other questions I'm sure everyone has.

[Tiago]

it is on PRoefi full stand alone! the stock computer is gone.

the craftsmanship on the fabrication and wiring these guys do is unreal.

[Evan@D3PE]

Our systems come standard with billet Precision 6766 ball bearing turbos and everything is controlled with a standalone, complete ECU replacement, ProEFI Engine management system which we have developed in house and also includes features such as traction control and flex fuel calibration at no extra cost!

[Dman]

One word. Wow!

[1.8t]

Looks great. Would be nice to be able to use the stock ECU for those of us that deal with emissions. Hopefully HPtuners is able to unlock the functionality necessary for low boost applications.

[Gonabite]

Built motor around 15 psig?

[Evan@D3PE]

This is stock motor

[ACRucrazy]

So... Awesome...

[99RT10]

this is stock motor

15 psi?

[LmeaViper]

OMG...is there anyway the boost be controlled? I personally would like 750 rwhp.

For sale approx. when? Price range?
Awesome!

[Darius]

Looks amazing!

[Evan@D3PE]

OMG...is there anyway the boost be controlled? I personally would like 750 rwhp.

For sale approx. when? Price range?
Awesome!

Yes boost control and traction control are standard as well as the ability to select between 5 different tune/boost/traction settings with the flick of a switch and even using the factory steering wheel controls.

Pm Sent

[Jack B]

Congrats, very nice to see the professional results and without the preceding high fives.




Our systems come standard with billet Precision 6766 ball bearing turbos and everything is controlled with a standalone, complete ECU replacement, ProEFI Engine management system which we have developed in house and also includes features such as traction control and flex fuel calibration at no extra cost!

[Junkie]

In for some street action against a bolt on/spray G5 :)

In all honesty, I'm really looking forward to all the upcoming Viper combos! Its great for the community.

[Simms]

Very nice!!

[Evan@D3PE]

Thank you everyone! We have a lot more in store still to come for the GenV ;)

[hova00]

Thank you everyone! We have a lot more in store still to come for the GenV ;)

Hopefully one of the things you release for the Gen V is a video of this beast!

[Disturbed]

Price of this kit? Did I miss it?

[DZnutz]

price please

[plumcrazy]

I personally would like 750 rwhp.

quoted for future reference. You wouldnt be the frst one to say it and go bigger....lol

[slovenom]

Wow !!!

[Evan@D3PE]

Sent you guys some PM's!

[KB Viper]

Sent you guys some PM's!

Come on Evan spill the beans already. Psi, price, build time, etc. you're killin me.

[Evan@D3PE]

Come on Evan spill the beans already. Psi, price, build time, etc. you're killin me.

I got you Kris ;)

[DZnutz]

Pricing is INSANE, but I'm glad its available

[nastygts]

Pricing Insane? The quality work and product easily justifies the pricing. Once media is released it speaks for it's self.


I do not want to trash up Evan's thread; but you get what you pay for.

50k from the "other" guys yielded a running car that was not functional....oil puking pig.

45k With D3 system has been a learning experience for both of us; but in return D3 has not given up on the project which in return I now have a flawless setup.


I have received many PM's regarding my experience and over all thoughts on this. Guess there is not a better time to explain than now.

Has it taken longer than expected? Yes.....If we were figuring out the original Pectel system. But; that is not the case.....not even close.

Initial goal was to make the existing system work. Several weeks into this it just wasn't happening. Resources were exhausted and it is what it is.

At this point I asked for the whole EMS system to be redesigned to their taste; but most importantly a fully functional car with reliability.
We took this slowly to ensure nothing was missed. Within a few hrs Chris had already gained control over the stock Can system. A few days later the system is up and running without the stock PCM; no lights, all electronics work.

Test the car in mid December; this was my first visit to D3. What a place! Their wiring department looked like something from a futuristic movie. Everyone working; tons of projects making progress. Rather than passing the buck; D3 designed the Gen V harness in house. I know there were many of many long nights tracing things out along with checking and double checking the functions to ensure its RIGHT.

Anyways, testing the car; we found the limits of the center force DYAD clutch. Maybe it was a bad apple.....but it did not hold up @the <950whp setting.
Hooked up with Toddy and picked up a beautiful piece of heaven. Removed old and in with the new. Most Importantly tons of R&D was gained from this.

Turbo system was a oil leaking piece of work. D3 found the problems......disgusted.....I ask that the entire system be removed and replaced with something new. I did not want any existence of the previous shop on the car.
Well.....D3 did just that and went above and beyond. We have had a few hiccups but nothing was hidden. We adapted and moved forward. I couldn't have asked for a better group of guys to work on the car. If I would have known of these guys from the beginning;......oh life lessons. D3 is such a "small" shop compared to some of the well known labels yet they have had no problem over delivering VS over promising and under delivering. If you need examples of over promising and under delivering......check out my other thread or PM me.



Thanks Again D3 for all the hard work and patience. I agree that you guys can turn the viper market around. Keep up the great work!

[ViperPete]

Great post. Looking forward to pics... lots of pics... and videos.... lots of videos..

[G37Sam]

Amazing! I'd love to see a twin 6062 setup on these Vipers :)

[Viper Specialty]

Pricing is insane?

These guys must be new.

[darbgnik]

Pricing is insane?

These guys must be new.

Well that poster would have to pay over 20% more due to the Canadian Peso, lol.

[DZnutz]

New to what? the Viper... yes. To reality... no.

[mblgjr]

Its not like a Mustang where you can bolt a Hellion kit on in a couple days.

Glad to see some 4figure power #s & functionality.

[Evan@D3PE]

It's easy to get sticker shock but you have to realize it's a complete and total Turn-key price. When you figure you drop off a completely stock car and pick it back up with every single thing done to it to make that much power reliably (parts, labor, etc) and drive like it was built that way from the factory, there is definitely a lot of value there which does add up. We are the only ones who have successfully developed a complete Plug and Play engine management system all in house and it runs the car like it has the stock computer plus tons of extra features. There's a lot more that goes into it than most may realize and we chose to build the best system we could rather than make a budget kit at a fraction of the price and leave people with issues, unhappy, and spending more money in the long run. It may not be a fit for everyone but it's something we are proud to put our name on and confident any customer would be proud of as well.

D3PE Twin Turbo System
Twin ball bearing 6766 T4 turbos SP covers
D3PE Stainless high flow exhaust system
D3PE CNC billet air to water intercooler
D3PE air to water tank
D3 programmed high flow water pump
D3 front mounted air to water heat exchanger
D3PE oil catch can system
D3PE fuel system upgrades
D3PE billet dual pump hanger system w/ Ti Auto 267 pumps
D3PE billet fuel rails
Complete E85 compliant PTFE AN hoses/fittings
Twin or triple disk clutch upgrade
ProEFI standalone ems system
Full integration with factory components (no lights, all oem functions work)
ProEFI Boost Control
ProEFI Traction Control
ProEFI Rolling Antilag
ProEFI Fuel and Oil pressure safety’s
ProEFI Flex fuel control
ProEFI Color CAN display logger
Installation at our state of the art facility
ProEFI dyno tune – custom mapping

[Malu59RT]

Great work guys!

[Tiago]

New to what? the Viper... yes. To reality... no.

LOLZ

what did UGR charge for the builds when they were doing them?
irrespective of the issues, what did RSI charge for their kits?

[Crotalidae]

Like anything in life...you get what you pay for...great work Evan!!!

[darbgnik]

Yes, it is not cheap, but there is value in it. I'm not a power monger, but this looks like a well sorted out system, and that is worth a lot.

[Evan@D3PE]

Thanks for the support guys! We will be sure to go into great lengths with photos and video of what set's our kit apart from anyone else's attempts!

[Nemesis]

When?


Thanks for the support guys! We will be sure to go into great lengths with photos and video of what set's our kit apart from anyone else's attempts!

[Dan Cragin]

Hey Even,
Is the PRO EFI fully integrated to the CAN/BUS for the proper function of all gauges?

What have you done to the drivetrain to accept the power, besides the clutch.

Very nice looking, cant wait to hear more.

[Orange TA]

With all due respect, I think this statement is a little silly considering you're leaving the bottom end completely stock. Yes, I know the factory pistons are forged. But if you're spending $45K on an unproven "kit," I think you should at least have some peace of mind when you turn up the wick.


It's easy to get sticker shock but you have to realize it's a complete and total Turn-key price. When you figure you drop off a completely stock car and pick it back up with every single thing done to it to make that much power reliably (parts, labor, etc)

[Orange TA]

UGR charged $35K installed and it was a proven kit.


LOLZ

what did UGR charge for the builds when they were doing them?
irrespective of the issues, what did RSI charge for their kits?

[Evan@D3PE]

Hey Even,
Is the PRO EFI fully integrated to the CAN/BUS for the proper function of all gauges?

What have you done to the drivetrain to accept the power, besides the clutch.

Very nice looking, cant wait to hear more.

Yes we did all the CAN development here in house and everything operates like normal. It's a complete ECU replacement, no stock computer in this car. Clutch is the only upgrade so far. The test vehicle we had came with a Centerforce setup which was destroyed the first time to the track. We hope to be out this weekend testing and getting more media on the car and will update as we do!

Here's a brief example of the horsepower readout on an early dyno pull

https://youtu.be/TUJjkoLpoy0

And some parking lot testing early on

https://youtu.be/_B64IkcL3dg

[Evan@D3PE]

UGR charged $35K installed and it was a proven kit.

But they never built a Gen5, right? And do they do Vipers at all anymore?

[Orange TA]

No but neither have you. I'm sorry but you haven't "built" anything. You're selling an unproven "kit" for $45k and calling it "reliable" after having just barely completed your first car which is running a stock motor. Reliable would mean the car has been done right, building the bottom end AND it's been beat to shit for many thousands of miles under all sorts of different conditions, temperatures, elevations. That would be the bare minimum. Then maybe you could try to pass it off as reliable. Calling it reliable as you just finished buttoning up the first car with a stock bottom end is insulting our intelligence as Viper owners.


But they never built a Gen5, right? And do they do Vipers at all anymore?

[Junkie]

FYI, my car has been over 800whp since a few weeks into Feb. Now its over 900whp with several nitrous bottles on the street and five bottles through it in one weekend at an event. The car hasn't even hiccuped yet. I wouldn't be worried at all with a 950whp turbo car, if anybody can test out the reliability of a product. Its me, too bad most of these tuners don't have customers that go out and beat on things often.

[Orange TA]

Putting a few bottles through your TA and having not scattered it yet is great but when you're talking about a $45K kit I'd want to see long term reliably meaning tens of thousands of miles. It's a different story for you because you have a fraction of that invested in your bottle setup. I could only imagine how pissed I'd be if I spent $45K to tt my Viper and after spending that much money my motor blew because that $45K didn't include a motor build. To me, it just makes more sense to do it right the first time if you're spending that much coin. For you, again, it's different because you probably have what, 5k or so in your bottle setup?

[Junkie]

Putting a few bottles through your TA and having not scattered it yet is great but when you're talking about a $45K kit I'd want to see long term reliably meaning tens of thousands of miles. It's a different story for you because you have a fraction of that invested in your bottle setup. I could only imagine how pissed I'd be if I spent $45K to tt my Viper and after spending that much money my motor blew because that $45K didn't include a motor build. To me, it just makes more sense to do it right the first time if you're spending that much coin. For you, again, it's different because you probably have what, 5k or so in your bottle setup?

"a few" My car has been raced more than most people do in the entire ownership of the vehicle. The only exceptions Ive personally seen are guys that road race, I wouldn't mod a car I was going to road race on a regular at all. I would say 16 nitrous bottles all at 800+whp and 900+whp in a matter of months is pretty bad ass for the factory motor in these cars. To replicate my exact combo would probably cost 10-15k honestly, which yes is substantially cheaper. But from what I've seen people just don't like nitrous anymore. Turbos and blowers are the new thing because you don't have to mess with bottle fills, bottle pressure, etc… I love all those factors in a nitrous car. But….Who knows I may end up with turbos on mine.

-Who currently offers a turbo kit for sub 45k on a G5? RSI obviously doesn't count, we all know those horror stories.
-Powerhouse racing is working on a turbo kit/Motec/fuel system, PNP setup a lot like D3's and from what I understand the pricing for that setup is going to be similar.

I wish the combo's were cheaper, I would be more heavily considering is that was the case. But from the looks of things EVERYTHING was cheaper 10 years ago. Trucks, cars, turbos, management, everything.

[Evan@D3PE]

You realize this car has been over 950whp for months with a lot of dyno and track abuse right? Just because we waited till now to post a thread does not mean it was finished yesterday lol. We've put more R&D and testing in this kit than any other I assure you it's something we take very seriously. Both videos I posted above are dated back in December.

[Snakebit10]

Awesome news for the G5. Can't wait to see the numbers in the 1/4, 1/2 and 1 mile runs if you guys are going to do that. I guess at this point we won't know the limit of the stock motor until someone pushes the limit. The G2 motors used to make 800-850hp on that stock engine reliably. And that motor wasn't built with boost in mind like the G5. So I would imagine the G5 motor should easily handle over 1000hp+ reliably bone stock with competant tuning. Great work D3PE.

[plumcrazy]

Putting a few bottles through your TA and having not scattered it yet is great but when you're talking about a $45K kit I'd want to see long term reliably meaning tens of thousands of miles. It's a different story for you because you have a fraction of that invested in your bottle setup. I could only imagine how pissed I'd be if I spent $45K to tt my Viper and after spending that much money my motor blew because that $45K didn't include a motor build. To me, it just makes more sense to do it right the first time if you're spending that much coin. For you, again, it's different because you probably have what, 5k or so in your bottle setup?


nitrous puts more strain on an engine than a TT kit does, especially that many bottles

[G37Sam]

nitrous puts more strain on an engine than a TT kit does, especially that many bottles

Why?

[rlhay2]

nitrous puts more strain on an engine than a TT kit does, especially that many bottles

Not necessarily true.
Cylinder pressure is cylinder pressure. It does not matter what is the source of that pressure.

Of course this is mandating a progressive controller, which increases pressure incrementally (the rate is adjustable).
And nitrous also drastically reduces cylinder temperatures, which is a benefit no other power adder can equal.

A properly designed nitrous setup will not be inexpensive, and if you factor in the cost of the bottles and refilling, it can easily come very close to what a TT kit costs.

All this said, I am following all the TT kits very closely!! I was hoping for a solution using the factory ECU to avoid significant emissions testing problems.
From the pics, it looks like the D3 Performance crew has put together a very nice system with an air/water intercooler.

The next debate is likely to be air/water vs air/air. There are positives and negatives to both.

[Jack B]

I agree with everything you ssid, except that no nitrous system will ever approach the cost of a TT system. I have built multiple nitrous systems and it would be difficult to spend 10k for a street car install.




Not necessarily true.
Cylinder pressure is cylinder pressure. It does not matter what is the source of that pressure.

Of course this is mandating a progressive controller, which increases pressure incrementally (the rate is adjustable).
And nitrous also drastically reduces cylinder temperatures, which is a benefit no other power adder can equal.

A properly designed nitrous setup will not be inexpensive, and if you factor in the cost of the bottles and refilling, it can easily come very close to what a TT kit costs.

All this said, I am following all the TT kits very closely!! I was hoping for a solution using the factory ECU to avoid significant emissions testing problems.
From the pics, it looks like the D3 Performance crew has put together a very nice system with an air/water intercooler.

The next debate is likely to be air/water vs air/air. There are positives and negatives to both.

[Tiago]

UGR charged $35K installed and it was a proven kit.


that was a turbo kit without a built motor as well, and with nowhere near the same electronics integration and controls that D3 is offering.

you're literally comparing an AEM V1 system(which is an unreliable POS) vs the Proefi plus all of the electronics on the Gen 5 working vs the old Gen 2, 3 and 4 stuff which had nothing... not even worth comparing.

Proven kit? what about a turbo kit needs to be proven? Either it works or it doesn't? the fabrication aspect of it shouldn't even be questioned. Just google some of their work, its impeccable. What is really being proven here is the stock motor reliability at higher power levels, and that is what it is, owner to decide how hard to push!!!

[Evan@D3PE]

Thanks for the support guys! Couldn't have said it better myself!

[PaulP]

Great job Evan and D3, we need more shops like you in the viper world! clearly some people are not in business and do not understand research and development. Cant wait to see some of your work at TI.

[darbgnik]

Well it's about time some one tested out Ralphs "built for forced induction motor"! I can't imagine why an owner would pay to remove the stock forged internals in favor of different versions of the same, but maybe I'm weird..........

I also understand fully integrated is neither cheap, nor easy.

[Junkie]

Also each turbo in the UR packages back in the day were $700-$800 cast wheel journal bearing turbos. Vs modern turbo tech that cost 2-4k per unit.

[Synergy]

$45k for 1,000 HP??? AWESOME! Forget what these clowns say... you'll get the last laugh! Good Job Evan

[nastygts]

I'm willing to take cash donations to push to the maximum limits of a stock motor.....once rebuild cost has been met; we will turn the Crunk up and see what it will take. PM me for wiring details :p0273:

Just taking one for the team.....that's all. Haha

[Malu59RT]

The cheap bastard in me wishes for a $15k turbo kit, but the realistic engineer in me realizes that D3's approach isn't the cutting, welding, grinding, banging approach to developing a TT kit, that some other shops are doing for civic and camaro turbo kits. 3D scanning, modeling, 3D printing, FEA analysis, and factory integration isn't cheap by any means. I'm excited to see shops that are taking this approach to their builds.

James, let me know where to paypal my $5 towards the built motor!

[Satin69]

I'm willing to take cash donations to push to the maximum limits of a stock motor.....once rebuild cost has been met; we will turn the Crunk up and see what it will take. PM me for wiring details :p0273:

Just taking one for the team.....that's all. Haha

In for $20

[V10powerr]

Price please here too

[Evan@D3PE]

Here's a better list as well as pricing

http://d3performanceengineering.com/gen5viper.html

[FSTENUF]

Put me down for $25.00 for the rebuild. This is like a telethone:monkeyleft:

[elanderholm]

How much extra would it cost to offer a 3 year warranty for the engine? Also, fucking rad setup. Don't let the haters get you down! :)

[Orange TA]

You might want to fix your page unless you're in fact charging $45K extra for triple fuel pumps vs dual pumps lol.


Here's a better list as well as pricing

http://d3performanceengineering.com/gen5viper.html

[darbgnik]

You might want to fix your page unless you're in fact charging $45K extra for triple fuel pumps vs dual pumps lol.

Man, are you a 100% negative person in life? Or just online?

Look at your last 25 posts, not one nice thing to say about anything.........

[HANKFAN]

Great work D3 Performance! Glad to see a another company building top notch products for the Gen V's!

[Evan@D3PE]

How much extra would it cost to offer a 3 year warranty for the engine? Also, fucking rad setup. Don't let the haters get you down! :)

Unfortunately it would be impossible to warranty the stock engine considering completely stock cars have failed under normal driving, let alone nearly double the horsepower. The twin turbo package comes with a warranty on all parts and work, the Stage 2 package with built motor would include a warranty on the engine at that point.

[KB Viper]

I can say D3 does great engineering work. When high HP ZR1's where having blower temp issues that where melting rings, pistons, intercooler bricks and trashing motors they engineered and tested an amazing intercooler kit that I bought and had them install after trying everything else on the market with no success. They put a ton of research into the kit and it worked flawlessly. They made sure I was 100% happy and I know they will do the same with this TT kit. Great work Evan, Dave & Chris!

[Evan@D3PE]

Thanks for the vouch KB!

[ViperSmith]

It's great how many options there are for this platform now.

Simple tune, TT, cams, (up and coming supercharger)

Good stuff.

[Orange TA]

Now I'm really confused... Your page now states that stage 1 comes with a "D3PE Built Engine." That wasn't on their yesterday. So for $45K you do get a built motor? If so, that's not a terrible deal if you can make big numbers reliably. That's a big if though with these aftermarket setups as seen by all the UGR cars grenading.


Unfortunately it would be impossible to warranty the stock engine considering completely stock cars have failed under normal driving, let alone nearly double the horsepower. The twin turbo package comes with a warranty on all parts and work, the Stage 2 package with built motor would include a warranty on the engine at that point.

[NoMorZR1]

I can second their technology and equipment for ZR1's. Chevrolet's poor supercharger and cooling system design cost many of us (former!) ZR1 owners a boatload of cash and time. D3 has changed all that. Unfortunately, it was too late for me, as I'd already made the decision to join Team Viper USA !

[Viper Girl]

So for $45K you do get a built motor?


No, Prospeed TT Stage2 is not listed at $45k, that package price is higher...

To end that confusion, If you are really interested in modding your TA. I'd recommend contacting Evan directly, rather than continuing in this thread.

[Viper Girl]

I'd already made the decision to join Team Viper USA !
Congrats on your pending purchase NMZR1! Post pix when you have it, and again if you go D3 TT :drive:

[Orange TA]

Umm, excuse me "Viper Girl" but the stage I kit is listed as having a built motor for $45K:

http://d3performanceengineering.com/gen5viper.html

"PROSPEED TT Stage1

D3PE Built Engine
D3PE Twin Turbo System
Twin ball bearing 6766 T4 turbos SP covers
D3PE Stainless high flow exhaust system
D3PE CNC billet air to water intercooler
D3PE air to water tank
D3 programmed high flow water pump
D3 front mounted air to water heat exchanger
D3PE oil catch can system
D3PE fuel system upgrades
D3PE billet dual pump hanger system w/ Ti Auto 267 pumps
D3PE billet fuel rails
Complete E85 compliant PTFE AN hoses/fittings
Twin or triple disk clutch upgrade
ProEFI standalone ems system
Full integration with factory components (no lights, all oem functions work)
ProEFI boost control
ProEFI traction control
ProEFI rolling antilag
ProEFI fuel and oil pressure safety’s
ProEFI Flex fuel control
ProEFI Color CAN display logger
Installation at our state of the art facility
ProEFI dyno tune – custom mapping
950+whp on 93 octane
Capable of 1000+whp with upgraded engine (call for pricing)


$44,999.00"

I'm interested in exploring aftermarket options for my car. Isn't that what this forum is for, among other things...discussing mods?


No, Prospeed TT Stage2 is not listed at $45k, that package price is higher...

To end that confusion, If you are really interested in modding your TA. I'd recommend contacting Evan directly, rather than continuing in this thread.

[Viper Girl]

Unfortunately it would be impossible to warranty the stock engine considering completely stock cars have failed under normal driving, let alone nearly double the horsepower. The twin turbo package comes with a warranty on all parts and work, the Stage 2 package with built motor would include a warranty on the engine at that point.


posted earlier in the thread by D3...

This forum is about a lot of things OTA... Camaraderie, comes to mind as well as discussing mods, track events and more.

[Evan@D3PE]

Sorry for all the confusion! I got eager to post the site link, which just went live last week, and looks like I should have proof read closer since our web guy had some things out of place :facepalm:

For clarification, Stage 1 TT is everything for a stock engine, Stage 2 TT involves built engine and transmission upgrades. Getting the site sorted now to display correctly

[Darius]

Orange Ta, obviously it's a error. Quit being such a douche.

[Orange TA]

Silly for me thinking that a "reliable" twin turbo "kit" that also costs $45K actually includes a motor build. My sincerest apologies.


Orange Ta, obviously it's a error. Quit being such a douche.

[ViperSmith]

Silly for me thinking that a "reliable" twin turbo "kit" that also costs $45K actually includes a motor build. My sincerest apologies.

You've made your point. If you don't like what he is selling, you've more than stated you have no interest, move on.

So stop dragging a vendors post down when many are interested in what they are selling.

[Tiago]

Silly for me thinking that a "reliable" twin turbo "kit" that also costs $45K actually includes a motor build. My sincerest apologies.

indeed that is very silly :lol2:

[commandomatt]

Silly for me thinking that a "reliable" twin turbo "kit" that also costs $45K actually includes a motor build. My sincerest apologies.

You are clearly not a buyer...so just go away

Why don't you start a thread 'wanting TT set up for 15K complete'. I am sure you will get inundated with responses (just like you said you were from your low ball TA search) and then you can just pick and choose who you want doing the work.

You will do great....winners always do

[Nine Ball]

Orange Ta, obviously it's a error. Quit being such a douche.

His daily driver is a bright yellow Mitsubishi EVO. This will be hard to overcome.

[rlhay2]

Silly for me thinking that a "reliable" twin turbo "kit" that also costs $45K actually includes a motor build. My sincerest apologies.

Must not have any/much prior experience with modded twin turbo platforms.

It's easy to tabulate $30K+ in parts on a mass produced car, and then there is labor to install said parts.
With a limited production run like the Viper, it is a simple matter of economics.

Obviously, you are not interested.
That is entirely your right to have your opinion ('merica!).
And now that you have shared your opinion, you can be done.
Unless you enjoy trolling fellow Viper owners.

From what little I know of ProEFI ECUs, they appear to be comparable to Motec in function and durability.
Being one of the first to spend the time and effort to R&D a system for limited production vehicle, it is simple economics determining the price.

Personally, I was hoping HPTuners would crack the Venom ECU.
And for the non-drag racer, air-to-air may be preferred to avoid heat soak.

As that has not yet happened, The D3 Performance TT kit is yet another way to skin the cat.

[Viper Girl]

From here on out, lets keep the discussion to the OP's post please.

Thanks

[Orange TA]

My daily's actually the white Jetta lol. The yellow Evo isn't mine.

Talk about taking this topic off topic. Come on Nine Ball, you should know better than that.


His daily driver is a bright yellow Mitsubishi EVO. This will be hard to overcome.

[Orange TA]

For one, you're attempting to get inside my head and making ASSumptions that I'm not interested. How do you know what I want to do with my Viper? Maybe I am interested in TT'ing it. Even if I'm not interested in the kit, I didn't know that this thread is open to discussion to only those who are interested in purchasing the kit. Judging by all the responses and pages of this thread, I'm assuming Evan must have sold dozens of kits by now using your logic that you have to want to buy the kit in order to post here. The last time I checked this was an open forum for discussion and expressing one's opinions.


Must not have any/much prior experience with modded twin turbo platforms.

It's easy to tabulate $30K+ in parts on a mass produced car, and there there is labor to install said parts.
With a limited production run like the Viper, it is a simple matter of economics.

Obviously, you are not interested.
That is entirely your right to have your opinion ('merica!).
And now that you have shared your opinion, you can be done.
Unless you enjoy trolling fellow Viper owners.

From what little I know of ProEFI ECUs, they appear to be comparable to Motec in function and durability.
Being one of the first to spend the time and effort to R&D a system for limited production vehicle, it is simple economics determining the price.

Personally, I was hoping HPTuners would crack the Venom ECU.
And for the non-drag racer, air-to-air may be preferred to avoid heat soak.

As that has not yet happened, The D3 Performance TT kit is yet another way to skin the cat.

[PaulP]

For one, you're attempting to get inside my head and making ASSumptions that I'm not interested. How do you know what I want to do with my Viper? Maybe I am interested in TT'ing it. Even if I'm not interested in the kit, I didn't know that this thread is open to discussion to only those who are interested in purchasing the kit. Judging by all the responses and pages of this thread, I'm assuming Evan must have sold dozens of kits by now using your logic that you have to want to buy the kit in order to post here. The last time I checked this was an open forum for discussion and expressing one's opinions.

Trade your car for a vette ! Do us all a favour!

[rlhay2]

<sigh> I'll indulge as I have some free time.
My apologies to Evan and the D3 Performance crew but this will keep this thread near the top of the list of "new posts".


How do you know what I want to do with my Viper? Maybe I am interested in TT'ing it.

I truly empathize with any shop that takes on an unsatisfiable customer such as yourself.


using your logic that you have to want to buy the kit in order to post here.

Evan and I have been exchanging emails discussing the options of his TT kit, FYI.

I will publicly commend him for promptly and thoroughly responding to all my inquiries!

[Evan@D3PE]

^^ Thank you! Customer service is something we take a lot of pride in as well!

[slovenom]

OMG!! Ppl usually doesn't bother me while on the net BUT what's up with this dude
Orange TA please stop with your "thoughts" go drive your car and take a break from car sites for a while :p

Back to topic..

[Evan@D3PE]

Sorry for the lack of updates! We were out playing this weekend in Andy's Gen2!

https://youtu.be/vLz5aIOInlE

[v10tt]

That is nasty!

[slovenom]

You guys do some awesome work... I just checked out your site n Facebook page!!

[Gadfly]

45k for a turbo kit is completely outrageous, even it there is 10k in the ProEFI (which there isn't). That is some crazy "Rip-you-off" Hennessy pricing right there.

[Junkie]

TMK it's turbo kit, fuel system, management, clutch and labor? Not just a turbo kit.

[Viperawi]

45K? you should see what our shops try to pull out of your pocket for such a system ! with no warranty at all.
From where I see it, a great value to a unique product.
A massive respect for any shop who take care of their own customers.

Keep us updated Evan ! This is more than interesting !

[Steve M]

Yes, $45k isn't cheap, but from what I've seen, this is a high quality system - not something that someone built in their home garage. The Viper is a limited production vehicle, and this market is even more limited...R&D costs time and money, and if you can't recoup those expenses, you can't keep your doors open.

Don't like the price? Don't pay it. If you can build something better for cheaper, do it...there's absolutely nothing stopping you.

I certainly can't afford it (hell, I don't even own a Gen 5), but I'm not going to sit here and throw spears at these guys just because I can't. Have some class.

[Tiago]

45k for a turbo kit is completely outrageous, even it there is 10k in the ProEFI (which there isn't). That is some crazy "Rip-you-off" Hennessy pricing right there.

:stickmen_burningsti

[ViperSmith]

45k for a turbo kit is completely outrageous, even it there is 10k in the ProEFI (which there isn't). That is some crazy "Rip-you-off" Hennessy pricing right there.

D3 should be paying us to have it installed, am I right! </sarcasm>

[DZnutz]

Id like to see the whole set up laid out piece by piece to see exactly what one gets

[Satin69]

This is the only kit actually available for purchase, outside of RSI (which doesn't count), correct?

[Jack B]

And probably has never sat in a viper.


Yes, $45k isn't cheap, but from what I've seen, this is a high quality system - not something that someone built in their home garage. The Viper is a limited production vehicle, and this market is even more limited...R&D costs time and money, and if you can't recoup those expenses, you can't keep your doors open.

Don't like the price? Don't pay it. If you can build something better for cheaper, do it...there's absolutely nothing stopping you.

I certainly can't afford it (hell, I don't even own a Gen 5), but I'm not going to sit here and throw spears at these guys just because I can't. Have some class.

[ViperSmith]

How many complaining about price, complaining about not seeing parts - are actually in a position to buy a kit for a Gen V they own, $15,000 or $45,000?

[ViperPete]

How many complaining about price, complaining about not seeing parts - are actually in a position to buy a kit for a Gen V they own, $15,000 or $45,000?

Indeed!

Opinions are like assholes! Everybody's got one!

I know that I myself cannot afford a kit like that for some time... therefore my opinion on the pricing really doesn't matter- so why give it in the first place...

[Junkie]

How many complaining about price, complaining about not seeing parts - are actually in a position to buy a kit for a Gen V they own, $15,000 or $45,000?

Can I borrow some money?

[ViperSmith]

Can I borrow some money?

30% interest!

[HANKFAN]

I think the kit is fairly priced for the quality of the kit that D3 is providing. I am sure D3 has a ton of hours in the R&D on this kit to ensure it functions correctly.

I am hoping D3 provides a Paxton or ProCharger kit that can be used with the factory PCM. This would really lower the cost of the package. Hopefully HP Tuners will provide them with the ability to tune a forced induction system on the factory PCM soon.

[DZnutz]

Since you asked... I am, although I would not spend $45K installed. If parts alone ran $20K I would seriously consider it

[Satin69]

Since you asked... I am, although I would not spend $45K installed. If parts alone ran $20K I would seriously consider it

I am in this boat as well

[nastygts]

just ask the few people that have attempted to build/ built their own version of a TT system for this platform just how cheap it really is to do....






Not to mention the detail and craftsmanship that goes into a quality system...... I would much rather spend the money for detail, quality, and knowledge....... rather than shit just thrown together. Ask me how I know. LOL

[TrackAire]

I would think a lot of the cost is interfacing the aftermarket computer with the stock sensors, etc. Plus, somebody has to make the harness that works with all this stuff. One wrong wire or bad connection will cause a huge heartache that the local Dodge dealer will just look at with a blank look if asked to repair or fix.

I'd guess just the aftermarket computer, wiring harness, harness interface, getting it all to work and tuning is going to run between $14k to $18k installed.....not including all the turbo hardware, engine upgrades, plumbing and installation. The hard parts are the cheap part, getting it all to work with everything else takes some talent.

[G37Sam]

Can I borrow some money?

Send that Supra over and we'll talk

[Disturbed]

It's simple economics. They will charge what they think is fair. If the market doesn't respond, they will lower the price. I'm sure they know they will sell maybe 10 TT kits and have priced it accordingly. That's just to get back all the R&D costs.

I know ED Taylor was willing to do basically the same but air/air for about $10k less and I don't think anybody has jumped on it.

Me personally I've been burned 3 too many times on TT Viper builds and will never have any car built again. But I was jumping at the $25-35k range.

[rlhay2]

I know ED Taylor was willing to do basically the same but air/air for about $10k less and I don't think anybody has jumped on it.

If Ed was the guy using HPTuners, those systems are boost limited (very low boost!) and not on equal ground with a system like this one D3 Performance has created.

Perhaps HPTuners will eventually be a viable solution. It would be nice, but at this time it is not...at least not yet and not in the immediate future.

At this time for a boost friendly Gen V Viper, an aftermarket ECU is required!
That may change but it is not likely to be soon.

[dxbtune]

http://undergroundracing.com/index.php/vehicles/lamborghini-aventador-tt.html

149,000 for a twin turbo on a lambo... 45k seems right.

They used to do TT systems for vipers

http://undergroundracing.com/discontinued/dodge-viper.html

Stage 2 Turbo System with Modified Engine
1000 WHP on pump gas (93 octane)
1300 WHP on race fuel (VP-C16 117 octane)
Gen 2, 3 & 4 Viper models at $75,000 installed

Stage 3 Turbo System with Highly Modified Engine
1100 WHP on pump gas (93 octane)
1500 WHP on race fuel (VP-C16 117 octane)
Gen 2, 3 & 4 Viper models starting at $95,000 installed

[Gadfly]

Using Underground as gauge of turbo kit pricing (though UGR's all include built shortblocks and heads) is like using $1000 Gucci's as a gauge of jeans pricing.

45k for a turbo kit (6-8k), fuel system (3k), clutch (4k) and a standalone (6-8k); even with say a generous estimate of 40-60 hours of labor (4-6k) you are still only at 26k with a healthy profit margin; and to be perfectly honest even that is being pretty generous.

The rest is just a "viper tax". There is nothing more expensive or elaborate in this system than say This 1200hp kit (http://www.stingrayforums.com/forum/boost-works/5338-boost-works-c7-twin-turbo-system-sale-now.html) Other than a few grand for the ProEFI and a $500-$1000 harness.

[txA&M08]

Using Underground as gauge of turbo kit pricing (though UGR's all include built shortblocks and heads) is like using $1000 Gucci's as a gauge of jeans pricing.

45k for a turbo kit (6-8k), fuel system (3k), clutch (4k) and a standalone (6-8k); even with say a generous estimate of 40-60 hours of labor (4-6k) you are still only at 26k with a healthy profit margin; and to be perfectly honest even that is being pretty generous.

The rest is just a "viper tax". There is nothing more expensive or elaborate in this system than say This 1200hp kit (http://www.stingrayforums.com/forum/boost-works/5338-boost-works-c7-twin-turbo-system-sale-now.html) Other than a few grand for the ProEFI and a $500-$1000 harness.

You're missing the part where they have to recoup R&D costs and capital expenditures over a relatively small batch of sales.

[ViperSmith]

Using Underground as gauge of turbo kit pricing (though UGR's all include built shortblocks and heads) is like using $1000 Gucci's as a gauge of jeans pricing.

45k for a turbo kit (6-8k), fuel system (3k), clutch (4k) and a standalone (6-8k); even with say a generous estimate of 40-60 hours of labor (4-6k) you are still only at 26k with a healthy profit margin; and to be perfectly honest even that is being pretty generous.

The rest is just a "viper tax". There is nothing more expensive or elaborate in this system than say This 1200hp kit (http://www.stingrayforums.com/forum/boost-works/5338-boost-works-c7-twin-turbo-system-sale-now.html) Other than a few grand for the ProEFI and a $500-$1000 harness.

You are seriously comparing the cost of a turbo kit for a car that's production is in 30,000 a year to 1,000 a year at most?

[Viper Girl]

Lets try keeping this thread about D3 Performance System.


If you want to talk about another vendors system, please start a new thread.

[MBG2.0]

45k ain't cheap,...but if you want to go fast thats the cost i guess

Vipers cost plenty of $$$ to make fast, a set of heads and cam is also $$$, gotta pay for R/D and low production numbers

No doubt for $45k i would assume you get a world class setup/tuning/service/support and even on a factory motor many extra hp

It would be great for a few local guys to get this done (assuming they want too and have the $$$), and then report back on this package.

[Junkie]

Using Underground as gauge of turbo kit pricing (though UGR's all include built shortblocks and heads) is like using $1000 Gucci's as a gauge of jeans pricing.

45k for a turbo kit (6-8k), fuel system (3k), clutch (4k) and a standalone (6-8k); even with say a generous estimate of 40-60 hours of labor (4-6k) you are still only at 26k with a healthy profit margin; and to be perfectly honest even that is being pretty generous.

The rest is just a "viper tax". There is nothing more expensive or elaborate in this system than say This 1200hp kit (http://www.stingrayforums.com/forum/boost-works/5338-boost-works-c7-twin-turbo-system-sale-now.html) Other than a few grand for the ProEFI and a $500-$1000 harness.

Where can you get a bad ass FMIC core, or A/A core, end tanks, piping and 2 billet/ball bearing turbos for 6-8k complete? sign me the fuck up! 3k won't cover a billet hanger, good injectors and triple or twin pumps unless you skimp out on some stuff. I just put a Motec in my Supra, I can assure you I have over 6-8k in it as well….

Your prices seem to be very off to me, as well as me personally knowing the UGR guys and I can tell you NOT all of the kits come with built motors.

[Vombomb]

Using Underground as gauge of turbo kit pricing (though UGR's all include built shortblocks and heads) is like using $1000 Gucci's as a gauge of jeans pricing.

45k for a turbo kit (6-8k), fuel system (3k), clutch (4k) and a standalone (6-8k); even with say a generous estimate of 40-60 hours of labor (4-6k) you are still only at 26k with a healthy profit margin; and to be perfectly honest even that is being pretty generous.

The rest is just a "viper tax". There is nothing more expensive or elaborate in this system than say This 1200hp kit (http://www.stingrayforums.com/forum/boost-works/5338-boost-works-c7-twin-turbo-system-sale-now.html) Other than a few grand for the ProEFI and a $500-$1000 harness.

You should quit while you're behind, every post you continue to make just shows just how uninformed you really are on this topic. Like Junkie said, built blocks/heads are OPTIONS not part of every package like you stated. And your analogy of comparing 1000 Gucci's as a gauge for jean pricing is just stupid... These are 6 figure cars we're talking about, with limited production numbers. So yeah, using UGR is a perfectly valid comparison, and by that comparison D3's kit looks even better! Considering the only other TT option out there is RSI which isn't even an option to begin with, 45k is nothing. Seriously how do people not understand that low production number cars are insanely expensive to do R&D on, and then try and recoup that cost in a handful of kits?

I can't tell if you're actually this naïve or if you're just trolling...

[Tiago]

Where can you get a bad ass FMIC core, or A/A core, end tanks, piping and 2 billet/ball bearing turbos for 6-8k complete? sign me the fuck up! 3k won't cover a billet hanger, good injectors and triple or twin pumps unless you skimp out on some stuff. I just put a Motec in my Supra, I can assure you I have over 6-8k in it as well….

Your prices seem to be very off to me, as well as me personally knowing the UGR guys and I can tell you NOT all of the kits come with built motors.

LOL

yea his numbers are WAY off.

[Evan@D3PE]

Where can you get a bad ass FMIC core, or A/A core, end tanks, piping and 2 billet/ball bearing turbos for 6-8k complete? sign me the fuck up! 3k won't cover a billet hanger, good injectors and triple or twin pumps unless you skimp out on some stuff. I just put a Motec in my Supra, I can assure you I have over 6-8k in it as well….

Your prices seem to be very off to me, as well as me personally knowing the UGR guys and I can tell you NOT all of the kits come with built motors.

Thanks Will, that's pretty spot on. Billet air to water system with all the best cores, pump, lines, etc. All the fuel lines are PTFE for a lifetime of using Flex Fuel with no issues, etc, etc.

I completely understand people would like a cheaper option, which we do have other methods in the works, but we set out to build the baddest kit on the market and not settle for something you couldn't tell apart from anyone else claiming to do the same and I think we nailed it on the head and are still at a competitive price!

Thank you everyone else for the kind words as well!

Evan

[darbgnik]

You hear the same whining on the Hummer H1 forums. People buy an ultra low production vehicle and then complain there aren't any options, and then complain again when the options are expensive.

Hummers ain't Jeeps, and Vipers ain't Mustangs. Want cheap accessories? Buy a high volume car.

[KB Viper]

Thanks Will, that's pretty spot on. Billet air to water system with all the best cores, pump, lines, etc. All the fuel lines are PTFE for a lifetime of using Flex Fuel with no issues, etc, etc.

I completely understand people would like a cheaper option, which we do have other methods in the works, but we set out to build the baddest kit on the market and not settle for something you couldn't tell apart from anyone else claiming to do the same and I think we nailed it on the head and are still at a competitive price!

Thank you everyone else for the kind words as well!

Evan

E--when are the videos coming out?

[socal]

Evan, you should post the video of the TT C6 vet you guys built so people can see how mild a TT Viper is for you guys. Just saw an amazing/terrifying video of that corvette on the freeway...

[BLUETA#1]

No change to the cooling system?

[Nemesis]

God I need to see some videos.. Please.........


Thanks Will, that's pretty spot on. Billet air to water system with all the best cores, pump, lines, etc. All the fuel lines are PTFE for a lifetime of using Flex Fuel with no issues, etc, etc.

I completely understand people would like a cheaper option, which we do have other methods in the works, but we set out to build the baddest kit on the market and not settle for something you couldn't tell apart from anyone else claiming to do the same and I think we nailed it on the head and are still at a competitive price!

Thank you everyone else for the kind words as well!

Evan

[Rapidrezults]

That Vette is insane.

[Darius]

After I watched this video I want Turbo's sticking out of my hood on my 240z! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I7KyfZXxYU0

[Crotalidae]

After I watched this video I want Turbo's sticking out of my hood on my 240z! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I7KyfZXxYU0

That car is just Nasty!!! :t1236:

[socal]

The turbo holes are already nearly built into the SRT hood! Just tastefully remove a few vent blades...

[Evan@D3PE]

The turbo wholes are already nearly built into the SRT hood! Just tastefully remove a view vent blades...

When I win the Lotto we'll do it to my GTS lol!

[Evan@D3PE]

Headed out to Texas Invitational for a little Viper showdown (and to take on the GTR/Lambos with the Blue Gen2) Definitely getting some good video this weekend!

https://scontent-dfw1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfa1/v/t1.0-9/11535720_1019373471421014_5012214812308293265_n.jp g?oh=b6c3d5743762eb5022854c9080ab355d&oe=55FD9552

https://scontent-dfw1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xaf1/v/t1.0-9/1780699_10152910212312338_4585509472791522935_n.jp g?oh=304431f3b47d935a1844747613e2d186&oe=5633E324

[Disturbed]

Have any updates on TI. Heard D3 took 2nd overall beating out UGR lambs and just lost to the AMS GTR in the final.

[ViperPete]

That blue Gen II is beautiful!

More pics please!

[triblk6spd]

I hope this is a pertinent question...being from Austin...of course I'v been hearing the rumors...how's did the Gen V fair at TI?

[Evan@D3PE]

I hope this is a pertinent question...being from Austin...of course I'v been hearing the rumors...how's did the Gen V fair at TI?

The Gen5 did great! We drove it all the way up and put the owner in the car for the first time. He went 151mph on setting 3 (out of 5) and was happy with that! We drove it back to Houston yesterday and to work today with cold AC and radio blasting :)

[Evan@D3PE]

Have any updates on TI. Heard D3 took 2nd overall beating out UGR lambs and just lost to the AMS GTR in the final.

Yep the Gen2 took first place in RWD and runner up in KOTS! If we had only run on Saturday I think we could have took it but had a turbo go out on us in the final so our MPH was down a bit. The UGR and AMS cars were definitely rolling out in the 205mph range where our best was 196 but Andy drove the hell out of the car and got around a few of them still!

Cruised the car to the hotel after finals and everyone celebrated a great weekend overall!

http://i59.tinypic.com/raus82.jpg

http://i58.tinypic.com/bf5evm.jpg

[Evan@D3PE]

IAT's stayed great even with 84* ambient and already a couple hours into our drive

http://i59.tinypic.com/avh7h3.jpg

[Evan@D3PE]

Couple more pics!

http://i58.tinypic.com/23icnme.jpg

http://i57.tinypic.com/2uy681t.jpg

http://i58.tinypic.com/2ptc86o.jpg

[TrackAire]

The Gen5 did great! We drove it all the way up and put the owner in the car for the first time. He went 151mph on setting 3 (out of 5) and was happy with that! We drove it back to Houston yesterday and to work today with cold AC and radio blasting :)

Evan,

Is the 151 mph in the quarter mile or 1/2 mile or some other distance?

[Evan@D3PE]

Evan,

Is the 151 mph in the quarter mile or 1/2 mile or some other distance?

Texas invitational is a heads up roll race from a 60mph start and running 1500ft

[txA&M08]

Evan,

Is the 151 mph in the quarter mile or 1/2 mile or some other distance?

It's from a 60-roll, covering a certain amount of distance. I'm not sure how much, but it's quite a bit less than half a mile.

Edit - he beat me to it

[TrackAire]

Congrats to D3 and the Vipers that did so well. That blue Viper just looks so evil with the fat drag tires in the rear.

I wish there was more coverage of this event on the web....couldn't really find any type of live streaming, etc.

[Evan@D3PE]

Congrats to D3 and the Vipers that did so well. That blue Viper just looks so evil with the fat drag tires in the rear.

I wish there was more coverage of this event on the web....couldn't really find any type of live streaming, etc.

Here's a little more that Greg posted in the Track section

http://driveviper.com/forums/threads/9246-Andy-Nelson-s-Gen-2-TT-Viper-at-the-Texas-Invitational

[rlhay2]

Thanks for bringing the car up and leaving the kit viewable for most of the weekend!

{I should have taken pics...}
For those that could not make it, it is a well thought out and designed kit.
It utilized the OEM headers.
The A/W tank is also mounted under the hood on the passenger side.

For simple maintenance, nothing appears to be in the way.
I tried to get a good look to see how the intercooler was supported but the ground was too wet for a ground level inspection.

[Evan@D3PE]

Thanks for bringing the car up and leaving the kit viewable for most of the weekend!

{I should have taken pics...}
For those that could not make it, it is a well thought out and designed kit.
It utilized the OEM headers.
The A/W tank is also mounted under the hood on the passenger side.

For simple maintenance, nothing appears to be in the way.
I tried to get a good look to see how the intercooler was supported but the ground was too wet for a ground level inspection.

It mounts with a billet bracket that clamps around the cross beam below it. Thank you for the compliment! We had a blast out there

[Darius]

Why would the owner of the white TT GTS not have it on setting 5 for max hp?

[nastygts]

Why would the owner of the white TT GTS not have it on setting 5 for max hp?

We chose setting 3 to run a test pass because :
A) I wanted to see how the car handled with that power level.
B) to learn how the electronic features worked.
C) most importantly; learn how exactly these events are ran. Ive never attended an air field event before. I had a passenger with me to coach what, when, and where.

I was not even close to being a high contender in this event. I wanted to make more test passes and turn the boost up with each pass. After the rain delays the officials busted ass to run everyone thru as quick as possible before the next storm cell hit. This was not the time to ask for a freebie. There will be more events. Until then.......plenty of other opportunities are available.


TI was definitely a fun filled experience. I cant wait for the up coming events.

Thanks Again to Amar and event staff. We had a blast!

[Evan@D3PE]

More shots from over the weekend!

https://scontent-dfw1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/t31.0-8/11039192_648230165276718_8807251595269403816_o.jpg

https://scontent-dfw1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xft1/t31.0-8/11411989_648230215276713_6725209480249070691_o.jpg

https://scontent-dfw1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpt1/t31.0-8/10495396_648230231943378_6635806047100883807_o.jpg

[v10tt]

Those Nittos are tiny compared to the stock 355 rollers.

Nasty, how much power on each of the 5 settings?

[Nine Ball]

Those Nittos are tiny compared to the stock 355 rollers.

Nasty, how much power on each of the 5 settings?

345 vs 355 mm width. Not a big difference. The major difference is the rubber compound, those 19" Nittos can hook 800 rwhp from 60 mph easily. The Pirellis....not even close to that.

[viper04]

345 vs 355 mm width. Not a big difference. The major difference is the rubber compound, those 19" Nittos can hook 800 rwhp from 60 mph easily. The Pirellis....not even close to that.

Tony
What brand 19" Nittos are you talking about? The NT05R? just asking. Thanks.

[Nine Ball]

Tony
What brand 19" Nittos are you talking about? The NT05R? just asking. Thanks.

Yes. NT05-R drag radial, 345/30-19.

[viper04]

Yes. NT05-R drag radial, 345/30-19.

Tony
Thanks for the reply!!

[kdaviper]

would swapping out the front wheels/tires for narrower ones give you better acceleration times and top speed?

[Jack B]

The skinnies on my G2 were good for 0.1 sec. They were 4.5" wide.

Anyone want sknnies and slicks for a G2?




Sent you guys some PM's!

[Evan@D3PE]

More great photos of the TT Gen5 from the event!

https://scontent-dfw1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/t31.0-8/11017226_985385728173137_3708731441341199258_o.jpg

https://scontent-dfw1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xtf1/t31.0-8/11411888_985373984840978_2935300770997602488_o.jpg

https://scontent-dfw1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xaf1/t31.0-8/11406132_985373494841027_5303446533949274680_o.jpg

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[timberwolf]

Is there video I'm missing somewhere of all the runs?

[Jack B]

Those are impressive pics

[Viper Girl]

Great Pix! Love the 2nd one:drive: