Looks like the ACR will have some competition at the Ring...

[Rapidrezults]

Not sure if this has been mentioned but it looks like the Aventador LP750-SV just lapped it in 6:59:73 on Corsas! I know it's significantly more expensive and more powerful, but I really never thought Lamborghini could get the Aventador around the Ring that fast. I kinda liked being able to tell people that Lamborghinis can't hang with Vipers on the track....no more. :furious: Looks like under 7 is the new standard...lets go team Viper, get some ACRs out there and lets see what it can do already!


http://www.motorauthority.com/news/1098343_lamborghini-aventador-lp-750-4-superveloce-laps-nrburgring-in-659-73-video

[Aspirations57]

100HP + 500K price tag, even if the ACR is close to that time its still a champion IMO.

[Rapidrezults]

Well the LP-700 was only down 50hp and ran a 7:25 in 2011. How the heck did they knock off 25 seconds with 50hp, -110lbs and a wing? Hmmmm...

[Snakebit10]

According to C&D they tested an Aventador at 4085lbs with fluids. Lambo gives the weight of 1575kg (3472lbs) but that is dry. So Im guessing that this SV is 3975lbs with that 110lb less weight over the Aventador LP700. Interesting that at around 3975lbs with a wing (downforce up by 170%), Corsa's and 50hp more it was able to get that close to the 918 which is both lighter and more powerful. Hmmm....Interesting indeed.

The ACR is far lighter, has stickier rubber (unless those are special compound Corsas on the SV), has more downforce, brakes shorter one would assume since the CCB's and so much less weight than the SV but it has 100 less hp.

The SV does 186mph in 24 secs flat. ACR wont match that at all.

[BlknBlu]

The Ring does not car about price. Only start to finish and who gets there first and be a production car.

Bruce

[Boba Fett]

with such a low top end, wont that hurt the acr on tracks like the ring...?

[Shooter]

It's going to come down to how much faster the new ACR is through the corners. We will see if the 3:55 gearing and 600 lbs more downforce can best the X's time of 7:03.

[Snakebit10]

with such a low top end, wont that hurt the acr on tracks like the ring...?

Yep big time on that long back straightaway. I wonder if the ACR will even get to 177mph on that straightaway. Its going to lose some seconds on that back straight but it may more than make up for it in the twisties with all that downforce. So that may not matter....Active aero on a track with a significant straightaway like the Ring would be a huge help to the ACR it would seem. Either way Im expecting it to be close to 7 sec mark. I would not be surprised if it went a 6:5x. Its got some serious hardware.

[slowhatch]

Lamborghini has a long standing history of bullshitting with their test mules.

Remember the weight fiasco of the Aventador when they were released (review units were 400lbs lighter than actual production variants). I DRUG aventadors around when I was pretty much stock in my gen 4 viper, which doesn't lead me to be impressed in their speed department (straight line). And they aren't exactly the most nimble cars either.

I'm going to go ahead and call bullshit on this one big time. I dont see this car picking up 30 seconds with slight hp bump and aero tweaks. I may be wrong though.

[ViperDC]

watched the vid. any weight reduction on that car is offset but the size of the driver's balls

[lochnessmonster]

with such a low top end, wont that hurt the acr on tracks like the ring...?

I would say yes. Depending on how many mph you're down, that long straight to the finish is going to rob several seconds off your time.

[timberwolf]

Just on visual examination of the video, that car has a roll cage and a racing seat, so clearly not a production model. You can't compare to manufacturer prepped cars with who knows what other mods. The idea is that the ACR with some tire pressure changes and alignment will run hopefully a 7 minute or less lap. Something any of us who buy the car can ultimately do. The advantage to a fully adjustable suspension.

[elanderholm]

Just on visual examination of the video, that car has a roll cage and a racing seat, so clearly not a production model. You can't compare to manufacturer prepped cars with who knows what other mods. The idea is that the ACR with some tire pressure changes and alignment will run hopefully a 7 minute or less lap. Something any of us who buy the car can ultimately do. The advantage to a fully adjustable suspension.

almost everyone besides dodge puts roll cages in their Ring cars. They claim safety, etc, which is true, but they fail to mention the incredible stiffness it adds to the chassis as a benefit.

[MBG2.0]

I saw that vid a few days ago...Crazy car and the driver has some skills and guts.
That Lambo is in the same class almost as a 918 or P1 IMHO.
Hyper car for sure, costs over $500,000, but since you really cant get one ( i think they only made a few of them,) it would cost more in the real world.
Its hard to compare a $125k car like a Viper to any of those Hyper cars....but its fun doing so.

SIDE NOTE:Funny thing the new GT3rs was run, Porsche said less then 7:20, but wont release a time since part of the lap was in the wet

[Vprbite]

Lamborghini has a long standing history of bullshitting with their test mules.

Remember the weight fiasco of the Aventador when they were released (review units were 400lbs lighter than actual production variants). I DRUG aventadors around when I was pretty much stock in my gen 4 viper, which doesn't lead me to be impressed in their speed department (straight line). And they aren't exactly the most nimble cars either.

I'm going to go ahead and call bullshit on this one big time. I dont see this car picking up 30 seconds with slight hp bump and aero tweaks. I may be wrong though.

I'm with ya slowhatch! On a super car run as the crowds were dispersing out of prescott, a new aventador wanted to play with my then stock Gen III. From about a 30 mph roll we went. He took me, but I never saw his taillights. Had we kept going past 120 or so he probably would have gained some ground. But I didn't get 400 grand worth of asswhooping. I anticipated seeing nothing but dust and that was certainly not the case.

[ACRucrazy]

It's going to come down to how much faster the new ACR is through the corners. We will see if the 3:55 gearing and 600 lbs more downforce can best the X's time of 7:03.

I agree. Dodge already knows how fast the X is. They know how fast the GV ACR is. Knowing the X's time of 7.03 and what that that took compared to what the new ACR has I would not be at all surprised if the GV ACR can improve greatly on the 7:12. IMO if Dodge isn't shooting for a sub 7:00 time at the ring don't even bother.

[v10enomous]

They were able to shave 10 seconds between the 08 and 10 ACR which are basically the same car so you never know.

[darbgnik]

Not exactly scientific, but I test drove the new Huracan and the Aventador back to back, and the Huracan felt every bit as fast, and much lighter.

[swexlin]

Not exactly scientific, but I test drove the new Huracan and the Aventador back to back, and the Huracan felt every bit as fast, and much lighter.

I'm with ya there. I've seen them side by side (not driven them) and I'll take the Huracan. between those two

[Solid Red 98]

They were able to shave 10 seconds between the 08 and 10 ACR which are basically the same car so you never know.

This. With all of the new improvements on the base gen v cars, plus the ridiculous aero setup, CCBs, and suspension upgrades of an extreme aero ACR, I wouldn't be surprised at all if the gen V ACR dips below 7:00.

[Shooter]

They were able to shave 10 seconds between the 08 and 10 ACR which are basically the same car so you never know.

Different 5th gear and an improved rear wing design along with a driver that knew the track made a big difference. Do better then the ACRX and I'll be impressed. Remember, the ACRX driver had never been to the Ring before.

[Thawk97]

Yeah - I was going to call "DRIVER" on all these times. Even seasoned Ring veterans aren't super consistent lap to lap there because of how long and how many turns there are. Weather (including air and track temps) and driver play a substantial role in all the times - more than just a few seconds.

I do hope we get to see a day with both of those in the Viper's favor soon - I'd love to see what the new ACR has.

[Vprbite]

Not exactly scientific, but I test drove the new Huracan and the Aventador back to back, and the Huracan felt every bit as fast, and much lighter.

Their published numbers show the hurican basically as fast as the aventador up to 100 or so. Then the aventador pulls away (a bit. Not a spankin) and has top speed advantage. As far as tracks go though, they are effectively even if you go by their own published data.

[LmeaViper]

Good Lord that's insane. I wouldn't say the driver was smooth, but he got it done on the ragged edge.:car-smiley-003:

[Track Pack]

Great video - looking forward to the ACR results...

[Clutch2014]

I can't imagine that massive wing is going to be good for the ACR's top end. Someone smarter than me can correct me if I'm wrong, but I think 177 is going to difficult to reach, if not outright impossible.

What I think this car's going to have is grip. For days. On lesser tracks (like, say, Laguna Seca), this car will probably destroy all but the most expensive hypercars. On the 'Ring...it's a bit more of a crap shoot, because it's as high-speed as it is technical.

[ACRucrazy]

I can't imagine that massive wing is going to be good for the ACR's top end. Someone smarter than me can correct me if I'm wrong, but I think 177 is going to difficult to reach, if not outright impossible.

What I think this car's going to have is grip. For days. On lesser tracks (like, say, Laguna Seca), this car will probably destroy all but the most expensive hypercars. On the 'Ring...it's a bit more of a crap shoot, because it's as high-speed as it is technical.

The aero is adjustable. The top speed of the Gen V ACR is right on par with the top speed of the Gen IV. IMO the aero should not hurt it any more than the it did the Gen IV ACRs

http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s99/ACRucrazy/000%20Misc%20Viper/Wing_zpsuuvrs7iy.jpg

[Stealth]

it may be best not to use the most aggressive ACR Aero package at the Ring since the aero is not "active."

[orlanderlv]

Not sure if this has been mentioned but it looks like the Aventador LP750-SV just lapped it in 6:59:73 on Corsas! I know it's significantly more expensive and more powerful, but I really never thought Lamborghini could get the Aventador around the Ring that fast. I kinda liked being able to tell people that Lamborghinis can't hang with Vipers on the track....no more. :furious: Looks like under 7 is the new standard...lets go team Viper, get some ACRs out there and lets see what it can do already!


http://www.motorauthority.com/news/1098343_lamborghini-aventador-lp-750-4-superveloce-laps-nrburgring-in-659-73-video

Honestly, I think the new ACR would have a much better range of control on that track than the Aventador did. That driver was close a few times to running off the track.

[Snakebit10]

I think the 2010 ACR's had a top speed was in the 180's which was up a few mph on the 08/09's and the G5 ACR if memory serves.

[Shooter]

I think the 2010 ACR's had a top speed was in the 180's which was up a few mph on the 08/09's and the G5 ACR if memory serves.

My 09 did 179 on the stock (1000 lbs@150 mph) Aero setting according to my GPS. The improved 2010 wing and gearing was supposed to be good for 186 mph.

[Snakebit10]

My 09 did 179 on the stock (1000 lbs@150 mph) Aero setting according to my GPS. The improved 2010 wing and gearing was supposed to be good for 186 mph.

Yes that's it. 186mph for the 2010. When the G4 ACR hit that back straight on the Ring anyone remember what it topped out at? If my memory serves it wasn't in the 170's mph-wise. So I would imagine the G5 ACR with even more down force won't get near its top speed of 177mph with two tons of DF that is if they set up the DF on max for the Ring. That will be a lot of seconds lost to the Aventador SV much less the hyper cars.

They may well decide to run the Ring on a less aggressive DF setting to achieve the fastest time taking into account the long back straight. Active Aero would solve that in the future. As it stands however, I would not be surprised if it unseats the Porsche from the top spot seeing how close the Aventador piggy got to the Porsches record. It got that close because of what it did in the twisties not the straights. I'm expecting the ACR to be even more deadly in the twisties. All speculation on my part of course. Cant wait for the official run.

[MBG2.0]

We can bench race this one to death..the bottom line is that the new ACR should be faster then the last gen, I would hope by at least 10 +seconds looking at the build sheet on the car.
If the aero hurts the Overall lap time it can be dailed back some with on car adjustments as said.
Lets hope the weathers good and the driver on his game that day....look what happened to the z06 and mclaren camps with their ring lap record adventures