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repiV
05-20-2015, 07:06 PM
I recently was able to finally buy the car I've wanted for years.....a Viper of any generation. After a lot of reading and searching I ended up with a nice Gen3. I really wanted a GenV but the budget just didn't allow it right now so my goal is to enjoy it for a year or two and then trade up.

I can't help but wonder how hard it is going to be searching for a used GenV in a couple of years. How in the heck will you know what's a good deal and what isn't? And likewise when you guys sell your GenVs that I'm going to buy....how will you determine a fair price?

With previous generations, like when I was searching for Gen 2 and 3 cars it was pretty easy.....they're all optioned the same so you just look at condition and miles and it was easy to compare one car to another and see if it was a fair price. Obviously I had the normal things you look at to determine if a car is a good deal.....but with all the options now with the GenV.....how in the heck will you compare one car to another without going through an extensive list of options and then trying to find another car like it to compare to in order to determine if it's a reasonable price?

It seems like it will be a lot more of a challenge both buying and selling?

gpearl
05-20-2015, 09:07 PM
As my realtor used to always tell me, the market will tell you what it's worth. Whatever someone is willing to pay for a particular car is its value. Both buyer and seller have to do some
research.

Nine Ball
05-20-2015, 09:19 PM
To be honest, most of the options on the Gen 5 haven't seemed to add any good resale. The most heavily optioned (highest MSRP) cars were also the heaviest discounted. Color combo and package will drive most of the sales, certain colors just sell better than others. The car is worth whatever someone will pay for it, or whatever someone will sell it for. Patient sellers usually get a fair deal, impatient sellers get rid of things in a hurry for less.

V10 Snake
05-20-2015, 10:02 PM
the market has answered and it is not pretty. There is no market for used Vipers..ZERO. you can't give these cars away. sad but true
As my realtor used to always tell me, the market will tell you what it's worth. Whatever someone is willing to pay for a particular car is its value. Both buyer and seller have to do some
research.

gpearl
05-20-2015, 10:35 PM
That's an unbelievable shame. You don't need to be behind the wheel long before you realize how pure a sports car this is, with all the luxury and amenities you could want. How come the world doesn't know this?

AZTVR
05-20-2015, 11:30 PM
One of the Viper clubs maybe could help the used Gen V Viper market by establishing a "sticky" post that describes what the various options were available for each model and year.

V10 Snake
05-21-2015, 05:03 PM
That's an unbelievable shame. You don't need to be behind the wheel long before you realize how pure a sports car this is, with all the luxury and amenities you could want. How come the world doesn't know this?It is a shame. Do you believe I still get ,"they still make a Viper" from people who see my car or stopped at a light. SRT royally screwed up marketing this car, over priced it from the start, pretty much slapped us 2013 owners right in the face for supporting the car then dropping the price 15K or more the next model year. I cant tell you the low ball prices I am getting trying to sell my car and the response is always the same,"but there are still new 2013 Vipers on dealer lots so why pay X amount for a used one"

BlknBlu
05-21-2015, 05:09 PM
The GEN V is a whole new ball game with resale, with the demise of SRT motorsports and a 15k dscount on the cars, really changes how to price the cars. in a few years the prices will level off after time heals.

Bruce

Nine Ball
05-21-2015, 09:04 PM
It is a shame. Do you believe I still get ,"they still make a Viper" from people who see my car or stopped at a light. SRT royally screwed up marketing this car, over priced it from the start, pretty much slapped us 2013 owners right in the face for supporting the car then dropping the price 15K or more the next model year. I cant tell you the low ball prices I am getting trying to sell my car and the response is always the same,"but there are still new 2013 Vipers on dealer lots so why pay X amount for a used one"

That is what the $15K voucher was for. Sure, I lost money on my pre-ordered '13, but the voucher made up for it. My payments on the '14 TA are actually less than my '13 was, and I put zero cash towards the '14 during that trade.

ViperPete
05-22-2015, 10:24 AM
I bought mine used (Gen V)

I looked in a 500 mile area. Could not find a dealer willing to deal. Not that many for sale in Florida.

When I found the one I wanted I immediately scooped it up. It was more money than I wanted to spend but I saw the value.

I found a 13 Gen V GTS with 2500 miles for sale at a dealership in Miami for 59k. It was sold in 1 day.

I believe they are selling faster than anyone thinks. Otherwise there would be lots for sale- but there aren't.

Lawrenzo
05-22-2015, 02:01 PM
i found a 13 gen v gts with 2500 miles for sale at a dealership in miami for 59k. .

:stickmen_burningsti:eek::eek:
ouch

The_Greg
05-22-2015, 02:13 PM
:stickmen_burningsti:eek::eek:
ouch

Yeah every single one priced that low SHOULD sell in less than a day. Even if I couldn't get average market value for mine I'd still trade up to a sub-$60k Gen V!

ViperPete
05-22-2015, 02:25 PM
:stickmen_burningsti:eek::eek:
ouch

Yup. Adrenaline Red, Laguna interior with Sephia.
"had" to have been wrecked for that selling price. The sales manager said that it wasn't but I dunno.

AZTVR
05-22-2015, 04:55 PM
I found a 13 Gen V GTS with 2500 miles for sale at a dealership in Miami for 59k. It was sold in 1 day.


Yup. Adrenaline Red, Laguna interior with Sephia.
"had" to have been wrecked for that selling price. The sales manager said that it wasn't but I dunno.

Is that the one where the guy died in it in his garage from a heart attack and they didn't discover him for two weeks?

:rolleyes:

viper04
05-22-2015, 05:11 PM
I bought mine used (Gen V)

I looked in a 500 mile area. Could not find a dealer willing to deal. Not that many for sale in Florida.

When I found the one I wanted I immediately scooped it up. It was more money than I wanted to spend but I saw the value.

I found a 13 Gen V GTS with 2500 miles for sale at a dealership in Miami for 59k. It was sold in 1 day.

I believe they are selling faster than anyone thinks. Otherwise there would be lots for sale- but there aren't.

I seen that same car but I think it was $69 and the car fax was clean when I looked.

ViperSmith
05-22-2015, 06:27 PM
Is that the one where the guy died in it in his garage from a heart attack and they didn't discover him for two weeks?

:rolleyes:

Takes farting in the seats to a whole new level

V10 Snake
05-22-2015, 08:49 PM
That is what the $15K voucher was for. Sure, I lost money on my pre-ordered '13, but the voucher made up for it. My payments on the '14 TA are actually less than my '13 was, and I put zero cash towards the '14 during that trade. Yes I understand that but use it for what ? Buy another Gen V, get in a deeper whole for just a new color. No other upgrades worth while to buy another. I don't track anymore so not in the market for an ACR.

Coloviper
05-22-2015, 10:19 PM
Unless you are selling it, why does it matter what they are selling for? Just saying! They will hold at a certain value and maybe appreciate when the car is no longer made. Agree though, the resale has been brutal. However this has happened with many other well known manufacturers and they are blood bath as well. Sign of the times I guess.

ViperJon
05-23-2015, 09:37 AM
Yes I understand that but use it for what ? Buy another Gen V, get in a deeper whole for just a new color. No other upgrades worth while to buy another. I don't track anymore so not in the market for an ACR.

Too bad they are not salable or transferable.
What's the difference to Chrysler who buys the car as long as someone does.
I'd buy one to put towards an ACR.

V10 Snake
05-24-2015, 10:22 PM
I am trying to sell or trade it in. too bad voucher isn't transferable
Unless you are selling it, why does it matter what they are selling for? Just saying! They will hold at a certain value and maybe appreciate when the car is no longer made. Agree though, the resale has been brutal. However this has happened with many other well known manufacturers and they are blood bath as well. Sign of the times I guess.

IndyRon
05-24-2015, 10:57 PM
I am trying to sell or trade it in. too bad voucher isn't transferable

There has to be a way around that. Somehow, buy the car, don't register it, have a dealership somehow broker the deal to the 2nd/actual owner to escape paying taxes twice, or some other way to make that voucher work for you.

darbgnik
05-25-2015, 12:25 AM
There has to be a way around that. Somehow, buy the car, don't register it, have a dealership somehow broker the deal to the 2nd/actual owner to escape paying taxes twice, or some other way to make that voucher work for you.

Yup, should be, with two interested parties!