Was buying a Z06, decided to check out the Gen V. first

[Gadfly]

I think I am about to make a change and buy a Gen V.

I have a couple of quick questions, and I was hoping I could hear from real owners, not the stealership, so please forgive my viper ignorance.


1.) What Trim? It is amazingly hard to find what is the additions in equipment between the base, GT, and GTS on the (terrible) SRT website. Is there a good break down anywhere where I can see exactly what is the difference between trims?

2.) Is there any "must have" options I should be looking out for? (For Example, on the C7 Corvette Z51's you don't get the Performance traction management system unless you have the Mag Ride suspension. So the Mag Ride option is a "must have" that is often left off the car, that has a huge impact on the car's performance)

3.) Price; is there anywhere where I can find reliable Invoice pricing on the cars and options?

4.) Dealer, I am in Dallas, but would buy from any dealer in the country if they can give me the best deal, are there any Viper dealers known for this like there is in the Vette world?


Any and all other advice for a first time Viper buyer is welcomed.

Thanks in advance.

[slowhatch]

Give Bernie at viper exchange a call, he will take care of you and all your questions.

[99RT10]

Another great person/persons to talk to are Bill or mark at Woodhouse. Awesome guys.

[swexlin]

I was going to suggest contacting Bill Pemberton at Woodhouse as well. He's the man you want to talk to.

[Viktimize]

I think I am about to make a change and buy a Gen V.

I have a couple of quick questions, and I was hoping I could hear from real owners, not the stealership, so please forgive my viper ignorance.


1.) What Trim? It is amazingly hard to find what is the additions in equipment between the base, GT, and GTS on the (terrible) SRT website. Is there a good break down anywhere where I can see exactly what is the difference between trims?



I have no idea what Dodges issue is about informing consumers on a product they are interested in? I had this same issue. I found this options list here to compare the SRT and GTS. I saw one that included the GT as well, but I forgot to bookmark it, and god forbid I could find the damn thing again.

http://www.drivesrt.com/assets/docs/2014/2014_SRT_Viper-Viper-GTS_FA.pdf



Personally I feel like the 2 mode suspension is a must have option. You can only get that on GT and GTS. Only way to get it on an SRT is with the TA package.

For resale value, I feel like the Laguna interior package is also must have. It is available on GTS, and I thought you could get it on GT, but not positive.

Only way to get a power passenger seat is in the GTS.

HK high performance audio is a must if you ever listen to music at all.

To me it seems like if you just want a straight performance car for tracking and whatnot, then I would get the TA/TA2.0. If you just HAVE to have a Viper but every penny counts, then I would get the SRT. If you spend more time using the car as a car, for road trips, errands, etc, then I would get the GTS. The GT seems like it is an in between car that allows you to get a few key options from the GTS but still save some cash.

That's my 2 cents anyway. At least it is something for you to consider other than "refer to dealer".

[Stealth]

Find a loaded 2014 GTS you like and get a smoking deal!

[ViperGeorge]

The GTC cars let you pick your color (from 8000 or so choices), stripe configuration, stripe color (again from 8000 or so choices), interior trim, stereo, wheels, tires, aero level and more.

[Viper vince]

Try Roanoke John Gastman

[KB Viper]

I think I am about to make a change and buy a Gen V.

I have a couple of quick questions, and I was hoping I could hear from real owners, not the stealership, so please forgive my viper ignorance.


1.) What Trim? It is amazingly hard to find what is the additions in equipment between the base, GT, and GTS on the (terrible) SRT website. Is there a good break down anywhere where I can see exactly what is the difference between trims?

2.) Is there any "must have" options I should be looking out for? (For Example, on the C7 Corvette Z51's you don't get the Performance traction management system unless you have the Mag Ride suspension. So the Mag Ride option is a "must have" that is often left off the car, that has a huge impact on the car's performance)

3.) Price; is there anywhere where I can find reliable Invoice pricing on the cars and options?

4.) Dealer, I am in Dallas, but would buy from any dealer in the country if they can give me the best deal, are there any Viper dealers known for this like there is in the Vette world?


Any and all other advice for a first time Viper buyer is welcomed.

Thanks in advance.

if you are a hard core track guy get a TA. if you want one with stripes or more luxury one get a GTS with all 3 carbon packages. if you plan on driving it a lot get a GTS with laguna interior, the dual mode suspension for me was a must for me.

[viper_eddie]

If you're open to a new 2014 model, there are still plenty of GTS models which are unsold. You can get those at quite some savings compared to MSRP. There are even a few 2013s left over if that works for you.

[JonB ~ PartsRack]

Gad

If you were considering the Z06 you probably want the TA 2.0, or a 2014 TA if you can find one. Maybe maybe not ! More creature-comforts would be found in a loaded GTS.
And you can add the TA package. ABSOLUTELY choose the dual-mode suspension. (Or plan to add an aftermarket suspension if you are a track rat)

You are WISE to be willing to travel to get the best-information, knowledge, and allocation available. I suspect that 3 or 4 dealers sell 60% of the Vipers in the US!

TX - Tomball, Houston; Bernie Katz 804 399 0477 bernie@tomball-dodge.com
IL - Roanoke in Roanoke (Chicago-ish) John Gastman 309 303 1464 vipersrus@mchsi.com
NE - Woodhouse in Blair (Omaha) Bill Pemberton (402) 592-1000 BillPemberton@Woodhouse.Com (BillPemberton@Woodhouse.Com)

Also a confident nod to Paul at Normandin Dodge in CA pauln@normandin.com

Sad to say that after 23 years of Vipers in Dodge dealers, only 10% of the salesman know what the hell they are talking about..... The exceptional dealers are noted above.


I have NO vipers to sell, but I'd be happy to chat. Especially if you plan to track. JonB@PartsRack.com 360.837.3937

[Aspirations57]

Gadfly,
I was going to order a fully loaded Z06 with Z07 package it was going to run about 108K.I went looking for a GTS fully loaded car and found 3, I had to have a fully equipped car because of all the great options. I went for the NA Viper over the SC Vette, 2014 GTS model, brand new, every option, 156,XXX MSRP bought for 105.6K. There are still some good deals out there on brand new 13s & 14s. Do some searches on Cars.com, Autotrader, etc. I like the dealers mentioned but I would not have got that price from some of the big dealers mentioned. Be ready to pull the trigger when you find a good deal, cash and no trade in helps too. You can find out options available on 13s and 14s by just doing a google search. My GTS was found by a forum member so tell us what you want and you will have 100s of eyes able to help you.
Remember Dodge discounted all 13s and 14s by 15K so the base price on my 2014 GTS went from 122K to 107K. Make sure you ask any seller what the MSRP was before the discount. Good Luck in your search

[JonB ~ PartsRack]

ASP, a great post there

[esm_viper]

I was in the same boat, looking at ordering a loaded Z07. Glad I didn't. I couldn't find a silver 14 GTS so I ordered a 2015 GTC Billet Silver through Bernie at Tomball mostly because of recommendations from Forum members, having a reliable dealership that I can count on for service and parts and it's only a 3 hour drive for me. My car came in around $111k MSRP give or take, hasn't started production yet and I ordered it the first part of March. I went with the GTC because it already came with a lot of the GTS equipment and options but was less $. I got the Napa w/ Alcantara Suede seats, upgraded stereo, Advanced Aero package, Matte Black Sidewinder II's with Corsa tires and the SRT (6 vent) hood.

http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i177/eric_mccloskey/viper_zpscpnsomxw.png (http://s72.photobucket.com/user/eric_mccloskey/media/viper_zpscpnsomxw.png.html)

[Vprbite]

Gadfly, I commend you for coming and asking owners their opinions on which options really make a difference. You are much more likely to come away with a car that has exactly what you want that way without paying for things you don't need/want. I pretty much agree with all the stuff said above. If you aren't super picky about colors, that's where you can find some great deals cause you can get one that slipped through the cracks or the deal fell through kind of thing.

Best of luck. You won't regret it,

[BDZ1984]

Gadfly,

Since you’re in Dallas. Go check out Grapevine CJDR they are a local supporter and I have purchased 3 cars from Dennis Thomas in the last 2 years. One of them being my LE GTS that I got for $102k out the door(September). Dennis is surprisingly informed and up front on prices and I know he has a few left over 14's that just become cheaper with every passing month. The other 3 dealers mentioned above are beyond exceptional to deal with as well!

[Track Pack]

I have a useful attachment covering all standard features/options of base SRT, GT and GTS. Great decision - you will not regret owning your new Viper. PM and I will email it to you.
John

[Track Pack]

By the way, this thread is a great example of Viper owner's passion for their car and the car overall. I think we all enjoy threads like this to share our enthusiasm for the car and we look forward to you posting pics/details of your new Viper and beginning to enjoy the Viper Ownership Experience... Everyone of us can remember the hunt and purchase of our first snake... Cool stuff..

[darbgnik]

IIRC, the major difference between the GT and GTS are that on the GTS, all the interior panels are wrapped in leather as opposed to vinyl on the GT and SRT, whereas the seats are leather in both the GT and GTS. Leather seats can be had in all levels, but are an option on the SRT. This is if I remember it correctly......


But keep in mind, ordering a Viper in GT or GTS doesn't make it a Bentley Continental all of a sudden. It's still a sports car.

[Stealth]

The Leather in the GTS, in addition to being everywhere, is also different leather I believe. The GTS leather also has a diamond pattern on the seats and doors. The GTS also has more sound insulation, etc. Gearing in 5th and 6th (?) is longer on all 2015 Vipers (SRT, GT and GTS), except for the TA 2.0. 2014 GTS cars have full-length stripes vs. partial stripes on 2014 SRT cars and no stripes on TAs. It is almost always easier to get a better deal on a car that is (and has been) sitting on a lot vs. an ordered car. I am not sure they are making 2015 GTS models yet--they started with SRT, TA 2.0 and GT.

I had 3 Vettes (2 Z06s) before my Gen IV Viper and was also looking at the C7Z. I am happy every day that I picked the Gen V Viper over the Z, although both will be awesome performers. Good luck finding the car that is right for you--regardless of make or model!

[Crotalidae]

Agree on must haves: dual mode suspension, 18 speaker system, & make sure if you get a left over 13 it has a back up camera...

Happy hunting from a fellow Texan!!!

[Mazak]

Get the color you want . Do not settle for your second choice because of price !

The Carbon fiber exterior/interior packages look really nice.
Dual mode suspension.
Sidewinder wheels
I like the 6 vent hoods the best , but 2 vents looks fine.

I have a friend who WAS a die hard Vette guy until he saw my Gen V viper .

You will not be disappointed.

[Victxv10]

2014 Red with white stripe GTS with EVERY option available for $105K. PM me for details.

[Bruce H.]

Gadfly from Supraforums? Welcome! If you're still a track rat the TA is best setup for you. I've tracked mine a lot and it has just the right amount of luxury for the street and multi-day road trips. If you're focused on luxury then the GTS might appeal, but some find their leather seats uncomfortable. Two mode suspension does ride very well, even on the stiffer sprung and barred TA, and I'd consider the 5 mode stability/traction essential for high performance driving (TA/GTS/GT/GTC). These are very well built cars, and finished exceptionally well. You'd appreciate them being quite rare, like the Supra, and some of the aspects that make it an exotic also makes it less easy to use as a daily driver (like every other exotic). I finally was ready to part with my TT after 14 years just a couple of months after getting my TA last summer...it's that good!

[Photog1]

Try Roanoke John Gastman

What he said; 800- 541-6858

[ddominator1]

I absolutely love Driveviper.com. what an awesome Viper family we have here and cannot wait to get my ta 2.0 in june! VIN number assigned 2 weeks ago and ready to rock and roll! Post asap :)

[Nine Ball]

I've had the base model '13 SRT and now the '14 TA, and I would only recommend the "must have" options as the 2-mode electric shocks (TA, GT, GTC, GTS) and the rear view camera (only early '13 SRT's didn't have this standard). The rest is just cosmetic, upgrades that can be done later for most parts. I do like the Sidewinder wheels, they are the lightest model. I also like the 2-piece Stoptech brake rotors, those save about 32 lbs of rotating mass on the car vs the standard rotors.

Interior wise, I had the upgraded leather in my SRT, and now have the ballistic cloth in my TA. I prefer the cloth, it looks better and breathes better. Also, I put 10K miles on my SRT with the leather, and the seats still looked brand new. Not a single crease in them. The Laguna leather doesn't age as well, it shows wrinkles and indentions easier than the other interiors. If I were picking leather, I'd go with the standard GT or standard non-Laguna GTS leather, the type with the suede inserts.

The fastest model will be the SRT base model with track pack (Sidewinder wheels, 2-piece rotors) because it is the lightest model. The fastest around a road course is the TA model. The TA cars seem to hold their value best, as they are a good balance of luxury and performance.

Since you are only 3 hrs from Houston, I'd suggest making an appointment with Bernie at Tomball Dodge and visiting the locked vault upstairs. They have several cars in stock, which would make it easy for you to see all the different options and compare the different trim levels. These pics were from 3 weeks ago. That Stryker Orange and the Comp Blue were making me drool. Silver too!

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[FLATOUT]

Congrats, this looks awesome! Love the new silver cars.

Andy Wheeler



I was in the same boat, looking at ordering a loaded Z07. Glad I didn't. I couldn't find a silver 14 GTS so I ordered a 2015 GTC Billet Silver through Bernie at Tomball mostly because of recommendations from Forum members, having a reliable dealership that I can count on for service and parts and it's only a 3 hour drive for me. My car came in around $111k MSRP give or take, hasn't started production yet and I ordered it the first part of March. I went with the GTC because it already came with a lot of the GTS equipment and options but was less $. I got the Napa w/ Alcantara Suede seats, upgraded stereo, Advanced Aero package, Matte Black Sidewinder II's with Corsa tires and the SRT (6 vent) hood.

http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i177/eric_mccloskey/viper_zpscpnsomxw.png (http://s72.photobucket.com/user/eric_mccloskey/media/viper_zpscpnsomxw.png.html)

[swexlin]

I absolutely love my '13 Track Pack car. Like Tony said above, it has the lightweight Sidewinders, and 2-piece StopTech (and wow, do they stop!) May car also has the full leather seat upgrade. It doesn't have rearview, I've never had a car or truck with one, so I can't really say I "miss" it, but as on my Gen 3, the ass on this car is big, and would be nice to have.

Honestly, in the years I owned my 07 Charger SRT8, I never once used the "3-mode" ESC, so again, I don't miss it here. As to the 2-mode suspension, maybe, but not a deal breaker. Whatever Viper you choose, it will STILL be supercar performance, at a fraction of the cost. And of course, one of the best looking cars on the road.

[Junkie]

Ron?

I've got a 14 TA that I love! The dusk mod suspension and 6 vent hood were must items for me.

Silver looks amazing

[Vipercompany]

My twin brother has a c7 and they can be used as a daily driver comfortably. The viper is more of a track/weekend car. So if your planning on daily driving, like I was, I would not recommend the viper. I'm looking at ordering a Z06 as a daily driver after putting 2000 miles on my viper. Viper isn't as comfortable all around as the c7.

I recommend Bernie at Viperexchange. Great guy and a straight shooter that will tell you like it is.

[ViperPete]

I am taking delivery of my 2013 GTS this evening.

I have wanted a Viper for over 20 years so it has always been an easy decision for me. Corvettes are too popular and too boring. The only time I ever drove a Viper was when I rented a yellow 2005 convertible on Oahu back in 2006. From what I remember by driving it was this: People all over the place took pictures of it and me. Has more power than you can use daily. Is comfortable. Has a wicked great sound. Has a great stereo. Beautiful to look at.

I have a 2014 Maxima and a 2005 Ram SRT10 that I drive daily so the Viper isn't ever going to be a daily driven car. Weekends probably.

I also agree with you that the website is confusing. I originally wanted a base Viper because of the price of a GTS- but wanted all the stuff a GTS had. I ended up making a deal with Bill Pemberton at Woodhouse Dodge on a pre-owned GTS and I could not be happier. If you have 20 minutes to spare- do yourself a favor and watch the Viper Documentary "DNA of a Supercar" I have watched that video probably 30 times on my 70" 4k TV. LOVE IT.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8GDeTk_zJnI

At the end of the day you should make your decision on what you really want out of the car. I won't be racing the car much. I'll take it to shows, go on drives and that's about it. I don't even really care that its a brutally fast car. I want ownership experience.

[ACRSNK]

Gadfly,
I was going to order a fully loaded Z06 with Z07 package it was going to run about 108K.I went looking for a GTS fully loaded car and found 3, I had to have a fully equipped car because of all the great options. I went for the NA Viper over the SC Vette, 2014 GTS model, brand new, every option, 156,XXX MSRP bought for 105.6K. There are still some good deals out there on brand new 13s & 14s. Do some searches on Cars.com, Autotrader, etc. I like the dealers mentioned but I would not have got that price from some of the big dealers mentioned. Be ready to pull the trigger when you find a good deal, cash and no trade in helps too. You can find out options available on 13s and 14s by just doing a google search. My GTS was found by a forum member so tell us what you want and you will have 100s of eyes able to help you.
Remember Dodge discounted all 13s and 14s by 15K so the base price on my 2014 GTS went from 122K to 107K. Make sure you ask any seller what the MSRP was before the discount. Good Luck in your search

What he said.

This is absolutely the way to go about it. I'm sure you will find something that fits your needs. Good luck and keep us posted.

[Dusty1]

Once you get the car join either South Central or our region up here in Houston so you can come out and play with it. Have a lot of fun things we do on a monthly basis.

Richard

[Malu59RT]

I am local to you, know a bunch about the cars, and have a fully loaded GTS. If you want to meet up, you can drive mine as hard as you want, and I can answer probably anything you can think of. Maybe Junkie can also join, and then you get an idea of the differences between the GTS and TA. My Viper is a daily (except on rain days, because I don't want some idiot slamming into me).

[timberwolf]

I've had the base model '13 SRT and now the '14 TA, and I would only recommend the "must have" options as the 2-mode electric shocks (TA, GT, GTC, GTS) and the rear view camera (only early '13 SRT's didn't have this standard). The rest is just cosmetic, upgrades that can be done later for most parts. I do like the Sidewinder wheels, they are the lightest model. I also like the 2-piece Stoptech brake rotors, those save about 32 lbs of rotating mass on the car vs the standard rotors.

Interior wise, I had the upgraded leather in my SRT, and now have the ballistic cloth in my TA. I prefer the cloth, it looks better and breathes better. Also, I put 10K miles on my SRT with the leather, and the seats still looked brand new. Not a single crease in them. The Laguna leather doesn't age as well, it shows wrinkles and indentions easier than the other interiors. If I were picking leather, I'd go with the standard GT or standard non-Laguna GTS leather, the type with the suede inserts.

The fastest model will be the SRT base model with track pack (Sidewinder wheels, 2-piece rotors) because it is the lightest model. The fastest around a road course is the TA model. The TA cars seem to hold their value best, as they are a good balance of luxury and performance.

Since you are only 3 hrs from Houston, I'd suggest making an appointment with Bernie at Tomball Dodge and visiting the locked vault upstairs. They have several cars in stock, which would make it easy for you to see all the different options and compare the different trim levels. These pics were from 3 weeks ago. That Stryker Orange and the Comp Blue were making me drool. Silver too!

http://i466.photobucket.com/albums/rr29/ynotdv8/2013%20Viper/Gallery/20150326_154216.jpg (http://s466.photobucket.com/user/ynotdv8/media/2013%20Viper/Gallery/20150326_154216.jpg.html)

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Ahem no photos of my lady please ;)

[timberwolf]

On a serious note, I have owned 1 C5 Z06 and 2 C6 Z06s, and was next in line to get the C7 Z. I loved the Viper but I thought the new Z would destroy it performance wise. Then, well that never happened, and I realized my love for the Viper made more sense. I also think the Viper has timeless, classic lines that will age gracefully, whereas the C7's looks are trying to be modern and avant-garde, which may not age as well. Who knows. Time will tell.

When I heard the former President of Ferrari came down to see the first 2012 GTS Viper, and was left speechless. I knew I needed on like Oxygen.

[Nine Ball]

Ahem no photos of my lady please ;)

LOL!



On a serious note, I have owned 1 C5 Z06 and 2 C6 Z06s, and was next in line to get the C7 Z. I loved the Viper but I thought the new Z would destroy it performance wise. Then, well that never happened, and I realized my love for the Viper made more sense.

LOL x2! :orange:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kSd1aZHqMTg

[Junkie]

I am local to you, know a bunch about the cars, and have a fully loaded GTS. If you want to meet up, you can drive mine as hard as you want, and I can answer probably anything you can think of. Maybe Junkie can also join, and then you get an idea of the differences between the GTS and TA. My Viper is a daily (except on rain days, because I don't want some idiot slamming into me).

Same here, and my factory clutch goes back in next week so it'll be out a lot more!

[99RT10]

When I heard the former President of Ferrari came down to see the first 2012 GTS Viper, and was left speechless. I knew I needed on like Oxygen.

That is a VERY special car. 1 of 1 I believe............... :D

[Vombomb]

Just the forum difference from the vette forums to here was a big deciding factor for me when I was deciding on another vette *C6 Z06* or the Viper... I don't know much about the Gen V's but as for the community, that alone was worth it to me :p Just stay away from the Alley lol.

[rlhay2]

I am local to you, know a bunch about the cars, and have a fully loaded GTS. If you want to meet up, you can drive mine as hard as you want, and I can answer probably anything you can think of. Maybe Junkie can also join, and then you get an idea of the differences between the GTS and TA. My Viper is a daily (except on rain days, because I don't want some idiot slamming into me).

Dodge should be paying you a commission for all the viper pimping you have done!!

But I am not mad, my wallet may be, but I am not...

[ViperDC]

Great choice. Vipers are simply more special than Corvettes. Sweet pics Tony, those Stryker Orange cars are amazing looking

[Aspirations57]

I am local to you, know a bunch about the cars, and have a fully loaded GTS. If you want to meet up, you can drive mine as hard as you want, and I can answer probably anything you can think of. Maybe Junkie can also join, and then you get an idea of the differences between the GTS and TA. My Viper is a daily (except on rain days, because I don't want some idiot slamming into me).

Wow ,what a nice gesture! Seeing that this may be the OPs first Viper it would be nice to just get the feel of the car he will not necessarily have to drive it real hard. Good on you!

[Rapidrezults]

I don't know why but these pictures make we want to go out and buy a bag of Skittles.

Get the Viper, you will never look back. I know about 5 or 6 people in the same boat about wanting to get the "new z06"...we all went to the dark side and we all couldn't be happier.

[viper04]

Same here, and my factory clutch goes back in next week so it'll be out a lot more!

Junkie
Are you not doing an aftermarket clutch? Your car is sweet.

[Junkie]

Junkie
Are you not doing an aftermarket clutch? Your car is sweet.

I'm putting a factory clutch in my car for the time being.

[ViperDog]

Gadfly, you can try KBB.com and build on there; it gives invoice. On the Dodge website, you can click on the standard options for each model and then paste into Excel to compare. For 2015, it doesn't show any difference in the insulation as did the previous years.

[timberwolf]

LOL!




LOL x2! :orange:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kSd1aZHqMTg




You know you're responsible brother! :)

[Gadfly]

Wow, Thank you all so very much. I am just floored by all the kindness I have received here, seriously, thank you all.



Gadfly from Supraforums? Welcome! If you're still a track rat the TA is best setup for you. I've tracked mine a lot and it has just the right amount of luxury for the street and multi-day road trips. If you're focused on luxury then the GTS might appeal, but some find their leather seats uncomfortable. Two mode suspension does ride very well, even on the stiffer sprung and barred TA, and I'd consider the 5 mode stability/traction essential for high performance driving (TA/GTS/GT/GTC). These are very well built cars, and finished exceptionally well. You'd appreciate them being quite rare, like the Supra, and some of the aspects that make it an exotic also makes it less easy to use as a daily driver (like every other exotic). I finally was ready to part with my TT after 14 years just a couple of months after getting my TA last summer...it's that good!

One in the same!

I miss my Supra everyday, I really do; thanks for the great advice, Thus far I have been very impressed by the Viper. What is a GTC? is that a new trim? You know me all too well it seams, I am still a track rat. :)



My plan is to buy a Gen V and build a turbo kit for it now there are some good ECU options (Pro-EFI), looks like I can run 800+ on the stock motor without too much in the way of issues.

[2doorrocket]

Wow, Thank you all so very much. I am just floored by all the kindness I have received here, seriously, thank you all.




One in the same!

I miss my Supra everyday, I really do; thanks for the great advice, Thus far I have been very impressed by the Viper. What is a GTC? is that a new trim? You know me all too well it seams, I am still a track rat. :)



My plan is to buy a Gen V and build a turbo kit for it now there are some good ECU options (Pro-EFI), looks like I can run 800+ on the stock motor without too much in the way of issues.

So GTC is basically a build it however the hell you want it, in whatever the hell color and stripe option. Goto Drivesrt.com/Viper and play with the customizer. It's essentially a GT and you can put the GTS interior in it, SRT hood, whatever stripes. etc... you get the point

[Junkie]

Wow, Thank you all so very much. I am just floored by all the kindness I have received here, seriously, thank you all.

One in the same!

I miss my Supra everyday, I really do; thanks for the great advice, Thus far I have been very impressed by the Viper. What is a GTC? is that a new trim? You know me all too well it seams, I am still a track rat. :)

My plan is to buy a Gen V and build a turbo kit for it now there are some good ECU options (Pro-EFI), looks like I can run 800+ on the stock motor without too much in the way of issues.

Ross is going to have a PNP Motec setup for them soon, as well as turbo kits complete...

[Gadfly]

Ross is the man.

[dethred]

Just the forum difference from the vette forums to here was a big deciding factor for me when I was deciding on another vette *C6 Z06* or the Viper... I don't know much about the Gen V's but as for the community, that alone was worth it to me :p Just stay away from the Alley lol.


This^^^

There are actual people over there that think the C7Z is objectively THE best car in the world. No, I'm not joking.

Nineball's race video and the reaction of the geniuses over there made me completely discount the possibility of buying a Z06. June 16th is the closing date on my other house and I'll either be ordering a 2015 to spec or grabbing a 13 or 14 if the price and options are acceptable. I'll be choosing a car that is apparently second fiddle to "the best car in the world". Oh well. :-P

[rlhay2]

Ross is going to have a PNP Motec setup for them soon, as well as turbo kits complete...

And now I need to swing by Dynosaur and visit with them...

[Malu59RT]

Dodge should be paying you a commission for all the viper pimping you have done!!

But I am not mad, my wallet may be, but I am not...

I honestly didn't think it was on your radar, so it surprised me when you started looking. But I remember the night I made you drive it, you said it would be an expensive test drive...sorry, not sorry :)


Is there a certain unwritten rule (time frame) on how long the 1 post op has to respond back to you guys going way out of your way to help him?

They are just really good cars, that people don't know enough about. It fits the role of being exclusive, exotic looking, while not having to be a millionaire to own and maintain it. I really don't think a single car out there compares to it. I have let a ton of people drive mine, and those I know well, I've offered to let them borrow it. To really understand what this car is about, you have to drive it!!

[timberwolf]

Same here, and my factory clutch goes back in next week so it'll be out a lot more!

What happened with the aftermarket clutch? I was hoping you'd put one in and run 9s!

[Junkie]

I honestly didn't think it was on your radar, so it surprised me when you started looking. But I remember the night I made you drive it, you said it would be an expensive test drive...sorry, not sorry :)

They are just really good cars, that people don't know enough about. It fits the role of being exclusive, exotic looking, while not having to be a millionaire to own and maintain it. I really don't think a single car out there compares to it. I have let a ton of people drive mine, and those I know well, I've offered to let them borrow it. To really understand what this car is about, you have to drive it!!

Haha don't feel bad Ronnie, Jason has convinced me to buy 3 cars now. Two of which I've been 100% thrilled with!


What happened with the aftermarket clutch? I was hoping you'd put one in and run 9s!

It works fine, but it is very loud. Not something I'm willing to deal with, so it looks like I'll stick to street racing for now lol

[Schen]

So a friend of mine bought a C7Z, finally saw it for the first time today. It was nice, outside visually it's a nice car and I'll admit that. It's got lines and curves I didn't notice a year ago from last years NYIAS. Indoor lighting does make a difference.

However when I got in it...I was just. Disappointed. And it's not the materials I don't like, those are course par with what I expect. It's just, the seats and the overall view out the front window just didn't wow me. I didn't really get that OMG THIS IS AWESOME sensation. It was more, 'eh I'm in a car' kind of feeling. Those seats just don't impress me.

Anyway back to the thread.

--RS

[Malu59RT]

Haha don't feel bad Ronnie, Jason has convinced me to buy 3 cars now. Two of which I've been 100% thrilled with!

I feel like I tried to talk you out of the middle one, or at least make you think hard about it before buying that color. I knew it would make it impossible to blend in!!

[ViperDC]

They are just really good cars, that people don't know enough about. It fits the role of being exclusive, exotic looking, while not having to be a millionaire to own and maintain it. I really don't think a single car out there compares to it.

Exactly. Exotic looks and exclusivity, great performance, and low maintenance.

[Junkie]

G5 Viper is by far the best "sports car" I've ever owned, which is a pretty extensive list. G4 Viper and Z06 are right under it for me.

[darbgnik]

I absolutely love my '13 Track Pack car. Like Tony said above, it has the lightweight Sidewinders, and 2-piece StopTech (and wow, do they stop!) May car also has the full leather seat upgrade. It doesn't have rearview, I've never had a car or truck with one, so I can't really say I "miss" it, but as on my Gen 3, the ass on this car is big, and would be nice to have.

Honestly, in the years I owned my 07 Charger SRT8, I never once used the "3-mode" ESC, so again, I don't miss it here. As to the 2-mode suspension, maybe, but not a deal breaker. Whatever Viper you choose, it will STILL be supercar performance, at a fraction of the cost. And of course, one of the best looking cars on the road.

My thoughts were similar to yours. The ride quality of sports cars has never bothered me too much, it's usually the road noise from the tires, and exhaust note that get tiring.....

I didn't have the patience to order one when I decided I wanted one, and I really had to have the SRT 6 vent hood, and the new Competition Blue. Also couldn't see myself in the new TA 2.0, although I'm sure they're nice track tools, I just can't get over the wing. Nice on other cars, just not on mine. :)

All these points pretty well pointed me to my 2015 SRT Comp Blue with track pack. There were a few great deals on some leftover 2014 GTS's actually better value than my SRT for under sticker, but I wasn't keen on any of the colors on the picked over models, and of course, not a fan of the GTS hood.

There was a 2014 TA that I was considering, if this deal fell through, but again, a year old, not priced quite right either. I do like the TA Orange, but prefer the Comp Blue more. I am also a fan of the nylon seats, I really am. Which the SRT and TA's both have. These seats need a long highway drive to be sure, but just sitting in the car, the seats are 10 times more comfortable than the ones in my Gallardo, those things are rocks, and kill my back on the highway.

Either way, I'm pretty sure I'm capable of showing a few people the tail lights on the road course this year...... even in my lowly SRT Track Pack. lol

[swexlin]

Great post Brad. That Comp Blue is a killer color for sure. And like you, I much prefer the 6-vent hood. The thing about Vipers is, it's like picking from the supermodels in in Playboy, there are no bad choices!

[Viktimize]

To really understand what this car is about, you have to drive it!!


This 100%!! I finally got to take mine out for a jaunt the other day. It is just awesome. I'm used to my old Gen3, but this car is a whole new animal. Still feels "raw", but in a more precise way. The shifter is a million times better, so accurate, and the throw is nice and short. The gearing all finally makes sense in the car now. You don't have to lug 2nd gear or downshift to first for school zones anymore. You just leave it in 2nd gear and it is nice and smooth from virtually a stop all the way up to high RPM's.

My only small complaint so far is the throttle response. That drive by wire is a tad slow for my liking. But it is easily worth living with over a Vette.

[Bruce H.]

One in the same!

I miss my Supra everyday, I really do; thanks for the great advice, Thus far I have been very impressed by the Viper. What is a GTC? is that a new trim? You know me all too well it seams, I am still a track rat. :)


My plan is to buy a Gen V and build a turbo kit for it now there are some good ECU options (Pro-EFI), looks like I can run 800+ on the stock motor without too much in the way of issues.

Hey...glad to hear it's you! You'd appreciate that every aspect of this car was designed by track rats at SRT for racing and track rats, and the factory was out racing the car before you could even buy one for the street. You don't need to mod the car to track it, and there's no weaknesses or excuses when running hard on a hot day on track all day...and I've found all temps stay well within range on track even on a 100 degree day. The TA pushes track abilities to the max. I think I bolted in my Team Tech 6 points (standard kit made for Gen V) within the first week using the factory provided 6 point harness mounts through the factory provided harness seat slots. If laws allowed you'd be able to check off harnesses on the order form. I just ordered another set of Corsa R-compounds yesterday at 1/2 price ($1550) directly from Pirelli as part of a VOA promotion and they shipped the same day with shipping included to Canada! Just a great tire for those who want one tire to drive in the dry and wet on the road and track.

I forget what suspension you had on your Supra but I had the Advanced Design racing coil-overs (800/500#) on mine, and I think we both ran the CCW Classics with 285/18 and 315/17's. Great set-up, and I could balance mine on the head of a needle on track, and steer it with my right foot at BPU power levels. It took me a while to work up the confidence, but the TA is just like that, and very controllable on the limits of adhesion. Progressive and controllable break away. Completely neutral, and every aspect of performance is just sharper than the track modded Supra as you would expect of a purpose built track car that is tame enough for the street.

The SRT gurus strongly recommended the TA to me for aggressive track use, and I can see upgrading from there if you're really hard core. Some will agonize over whether the Z06/07 is better, easier or quicker in the hands of other drivers, but the more important thing to me is having a car that is designed to stand up to that use...and enjoy the challenge of driver skill being the deciding factor in which car is quicker on any given day.

Not sure how a turbo setup would do on track, but the stock NA power level really gets the job done on the road course with great reliability and minimal wear on consumables.

Good luck with your plans!

Bruce

[swexlin]

This 100%!! I finally got to take mine out for a jaunt the other day. It is just awesome. I'm used to my old Gen3, but this car is a whole new animal. Still feels "raw", but in a more precise way. The shifter is a million times better, so accurate, and the throw is nice and short. The gearing all finally makes sense in the car now. You don't have to lug 2nd gear or downshift to first for school zones anymore. You just leave it in 2nd gear and it is nice and smooth from virtually a stop all the way up to high RPM's.

My only small complaint so far is the throttle response. That drive by wire is a tad slow for my liking. But it is easily worth living with over a Vette.Same comment from me coming from a Gen 3 as well

[outnumbered]

I've seen a dozen C7 Z06's in the last month, and not one gen 5 Viper. I love exclusivity.

[LmeaViper]

I've had the base model '13 SRT and now the '14 TA, and I would only recommend the "must have" options as the 2-mode electric shocks (TA, GT, GTC, GTS) and the rear view camera (only early '13 SRT's didn't have this standard). The rest is just cosmetic, upgrades that can be done later for most parts. I do like the Sidewinder wheels, they are the lightest model. I also like the 2-piece Stoptech brake rotors, those save about 32 lbs of rotating mass on the car vs the standard rotors.

Interior wise, I had the upgraded leather in my SRT, and now have the ballistic cloth in my TA. I prefer the cloth, it looks better and breathes better. Also, I put 10K miles on my SRT with the leather, and the seats still looked brand new. Not a single crease in them. The Laguna leather doesn't age as well, it shows wrinkles and indentions easier than the other interiors. If I were picking leather, I'd go with the standard GT or standard non-Laguna GTS leather, the type with the suede inserts.

The fastest model will be the SRT base model with track pack (Sidewinder wheels, 2-piece rotors) because it is the lightest model. The fastest around a road course is the TA model. The TA cars seem to hold their value best, as they are a good balance of luxury and performance.

Since you are only 3 hrs from Houston, I'd suggest making an appointment with Bernie at Tomball Dodge and visiting the locked vault upstairs. They have several cars in stock, which would make it easy for you to see all the different options and compare the different trim levels. These pics were from 3 weeks ago. That Stryker Orange and the Comp Blue were making me drool. Silver too!

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Nineball, in the 3rd picture...are the 2 red cars bracketing the orange vert the same color? The far one looks more metallic? Or is this just the light?
Man would I love to visit that place and poke around.

[darbgnik]

Nineball, in the 3rd picture...are the 2 red cars bracketing the orange vert the same color? The far one looks more metallic? Or is this just the light?
Man would I love to visit that place and poke around.

I think the far one is Stryker Orange, middle is Orange, and closest is red.

[GreenVenom]

6th picture down is Stryker Orange. Not sure of the vert. but it may be Y'Orange or a one off color close to it.
Had 4 Vettes and sold last one in October. Won't have another unless I win it in a raffle.
Gen 5s rocks!! Definitely gotta have one.

[Nine Ball]

Nineball, in the 3rd picture...are the 2 red cars bracketing the orange vert the same color? The far one looks more metallic? Or is this just the light?
Man would I love to visit that place and poke around.

Both the orange and the yellow Medusa convertibles are custom paint colors done by Prefix. Stryker Orange is the darker orange in these photos.

[LmeaViper]

Both the orange and the yellow Medusa convertibles are custom paint colors done by Prefix. Stryker Orange is the darker orange in these photos.

Sorry, I was referring to the 2 red colors looking different.
thks

[LmeaViper]

Ah, very nice color...Striker Orange,
thks

[Gadfly]

[QUOTE=Bruce H.;128534]Hey...glad to hear it's you! You'd appreciate that every aspect of this car was designed by track rats at SRT for racing and track rats, and the factory was out racing the car before you could even buy one for the street. You don't need to mod the car to track it, and there's no weaknesses or excuses when running hard on a hot day on track all day...and I've found all temps stay well within range on track even on a 100 degree day. The TA pushes track abilities to the max. I think I bolted in my Team Tech 6 points (standard kit made for Gen V) within the first week using the factory provided 6 point harness mounts through the factory provided harness seat slots. If laws allowed you'd be able to check off harnesses on the order form. I just ordered another set of Corsa R-compounds yesterday at 1/2 price ($1550) directly from Pirelli as part of a VOA promotion and they shipped the same day with shipping included to Canada! Just a great tire for those who want one tire to drive in the dry and wet on the road and track.

I forget what suspension you had on your Supra but I had the Advanced Design racing coil-overs (800/500#) on mine, and I think we both ran the CCW Classics with 285/18 and 315/17's. Great set-up, and I could balance mine on the head of a needle on track, and steer it with my right foot at BPU power levels. It took me a while to work up the confidence, but the TA is just like that, and very controllable on the limits of adhesion. Progressive and controllable break away. Completely neutral, and every aspect of performance is just sharper than the track modded Supra as you would expect of a purpose built track car that is tame enough for the street.

The SRT gurus strongly recommended the TA to me for aggressive track use, and I can see upgrading from there if you're really hard core. Some will agonize over whether the Z06/07 is better, easier or quicker in the hands of other drivers, but the more important thing to me is having a car that is designed to stand up to that use...and enjoy the challenge of driver skill being the deciding factor in which car is quicker on any given day.

Not sure how a turbo setup would do on track, but the stock NA power level really gets the job done on the road course with great reliability and minimal wear on consumables.

Good luck with your plans!

Bruce[/QUOTE


I think the Viper is a better car overall, and I have to admit, looking into the bolt-ons it looks more than possible to do a solid 650rwhp N/A. There also seams to be a lot of improvements that the aftermarket is not addressing.


I ran a few suspensions on the supra, Tein Flex, HKS, and KW's; yes on the wheels and tires, ccw classics, 285/315's. I was a great setup but i was running @800 rwhp and those old turbos made spooling out of corner ... difficult. That is why I went to the GTR, which I loved; but it went away when I got divorced (yeah... hence my absence over the past 4 years, divorce, lost my shirt, then 4 year long custody battle for my daughter.)

I am getting very excited about a Viper, doing my research, and I will try to meet up with some locals to check it out in person.