hellcat vs viper

[1evilviper]

So yesterday was a decent day here in upstate NY so I had plans to meet up with a buddy and check out his new TA..We met out on the highway and out of no where there was a hellcat with 2 young guys driving and a go pro on the roof, I knew that meant only one thing...They were really cool and we met up and talked after afew nice runs. My car has arrow pcm, full belanger system, smooth tubes and an ipsco pulley...His car was a 6 speed and stock...he also ran my brother in his bolt on e85 cts v coupe....even after his ass beatings he was all smiles and happy as hell!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WejtogbsAv4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cplDS2PBtbc

[99RT10]

So where is the video with the CTS-V and the Viper?



:D

[The_Don]

So where is the video with the CTS-V and the Viper?



:D

The hellcat had the gopro so I assume there's no video.

[serpent]

Did the hellcat and TA run? Sounded like the hellcat owner was still learning the car, exhaust sounds bad ass for a stock car too.

[Nine Ball]

I'm thinking the Hellcat guys were hoping for some cool videos of themselves dominating the streets. LOL

[FLATOUT]

I'm thinking the Hellcat guys were hoping for some cool videos of themselves dominating the streets. LOL

Looks like a 135mph against a 125mph car.

[slovenom]

Failed lol :)

[flyinmedic]

LOL...nice!

[timberwolf]

Wow that was a horizon job for both cars! That V was nasty!

[plumcrazy]

cool you guys got talk and no hard feelings

[Zybane]

Anyone else sick of hearing about Hellcats? Put a large blown motor in a ugly tug boat and do highway runs, yawn.

[timberwolf]

Anyone else sick of hearing about Hellcats? Put a large blown motor in a ugly tug boat and do highway runs, yawn.

Yup... It's amazing the marketing they pulled off with that car and the Viper they totally dropped the ball

[dasvolk]

Anyone else sick of hearing about Hellcats? Put a large blown motor in a ugly tug boat and do highway runs, yawn.

I certainly am. You get a ridiculous amount of car for the money with the Viper these days, a true supercar for less than 100K. Or you could go buy a base model 911 http://i.imgur.com/HTHr132.gif

[FLATOUT]

Anyone else sick of hearing about Hellcats? Put a large blown motor in a ugly tug boat and do highway runs, yawn.

Yes.

[1evilviper]

It was all in good fun...As for the V, its my brothers car and it runs very well, with in a car length of my viper. As for the hellcat, it was the first one iv seen on the street here in NY, all you guys in TX and FL have had your fun playing with them, with the brutal winter and tons of snow this year it was the first time we got to get are cars out of hibernation. Im not a huge hellcat fan, but with all the hype I was excited to run one...We all know the viper is a hell of a car, I love mine!

[G37Sam]

Wow!!

It's pretty cool of him to post this instead of getting butt hurt and posting his car on ebay the next day.

I'm surprised you can't hear the Supercharger Whine though on that Hellcat, you sure it wasn't just a standard SRT? :p

[timberwolf]

It was all in good fun...As for the V, its my brothers car and it runs very well, with in a car length of my viper. As for the hellcat, it was the first one iv seen on the street here in NY, all you guys in TX and FL have had your fun playing with them, with the brutal winter and tons of snow this year it was the first time we got to get are cars out of hibernation. Im not a huge hellcat fan, but with all the hype I was excited to run one...We all know the viper is a hell of a car, I love mine!

Within a car length of your Viper out front or out back.. Subtle but critical difference :D

[1evilviper]

Within a car length of your Viper out front or out back.. Subtle but critical difference :D

hahah the V is behind!!!

[pdv25]

Stop kicking puppies :p That guy in the hellcat needs help shifting. BTW you bringing the car to Florida?

[1evilviper]

Stop kicking puppies :p That guy in the hellcat needs help shifting. BTW you bringing the car to Florida?

hahaha, Im bringing it down in the late fall early winter, we will have to meet up for sure!

[pdv25]

hahaha, Im bringing it down in the late fall early winter, we will have to meet up for sure!

Awesome. Get some mods done by the time you come down ;)

[1evilviper]

Awesome. Get some mods done by the time you come down ;),

I have headers/ catback, smooth tubes, arrow pcm, ud pulley...always want more tho

[vipernm]

Yup... It's amazing the marketing they pulled off with that car and the Viper they totally dropped the ball

Brilliant marketing - if only the Viper was marketed more aggressively ...

[MalingatorGTS]

Brilliant marketing - if only the Viper was marketed more aggressively ...

You mean something like this CRAP!
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Dodge-Charger-SRT-Hellcat-Sedan-4-Door-/221736025528?forcerrptr=true&hash=item33a07f3db8&item=221736025528&rmvSB=true

I give credit where due however, some of the BEST car marketing done ever.

[s_c5519]

You mean something like this CRAP!
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Dodge-Charger-SRT-Hellcat-Sedan-4-Door-/221736025528?forcerrptr=true&hash=item33a07f3db8&item=221736025528&rmvSB=true


It is not even the 666'th one made. The vin # is 2C3CDXL98FH795666, so doesn't that make it the 5,666th one?

[BlknBlu]

i am not tired of hearing about Hellcats, but it looks like a bit of a jealousy think with Viper owners (me include). WE want to seeour car at the top of the food chain and the Hellcat is taking all the glory. Now the Viper seems to be the underdog but still unreachable for most.

My opinion
Bruce

[s_c5519]

i am not tired of hearing about Hellcats, but it looks like a bit of a jealousy think with Viper owners (me include). WE want to seeour car at the top of the food chain and the Hellcat is taking all the glory. Now the Viper seems to be the underdog but still unreachable for most.

My opinion
Bruce

Same here, not only "not" tired of hearing about them, but been looking for a black one at msrp myself... oh and you can also add jealousy from a Z06 and Z/28 owner too:)...

[ViperSmith]

i am not tired of hearing about Hellcats, but it looks like a bit of a jealousy think with Viper owners (me include). WE want to seeour car at the top of the food chain and the Hellcat is taking all the glory. Now the Viper seems to be the underdog but still unreachable for most.

My opinion
Bruce

It is slower at everything than the Viper, what is there to be jealous of?

1/4 mile, track, auto-x, all it has is a few more HP and 1000 extra pounds.

[FLATOUT]

It is slower at everything than the Viper, what is there to be jealous of?

1/4 mile, track, auto-x, all it has is a few more HP and 1000 extra pounds.

Lol bingo. I like them but hype is just that. It doesn't beat the Viper in any measurable category. 1/4 would be the closest but both cars have run 10.9's stock on drag radials.

[FLATOUT]

Same here, not only "not" tired of hearing about them, but been looking for a black one at msrp myself... oh and you can also add jealousy from a Z06 and Z/28 owner too:)...

Why would Z06 owners be jealous? Maybe Z28 guys because they're both pony cars but the Z28 will slap most Vipers around a road course.

[vipernm]

You mean something like this CRAP!
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Dodge-Charger-SRT-Hellcat-Sedan-4-Door-/221736025528?forcerrptr=true&hash=item33a07f3db8&item=221736025528&rmvSB=true

I give credit where due however, some of the BEST car marketing done ever.

Fishing with someone that has more dollars than cents

[vipernm]

i am not tired of hearing about Hellcats, but it looks like a bit of a jealousy think with Viper owners (me include). WE want to seeour car at the top of the food chain and the Hellcat is taking all the glory. Now the Viper seems to be the underdog but still unreachable for most.

My opinion
Bruce

And isn't a 'Hellcat' Viper what we're waiting for?
Seems like the next logical evolution is one such beast. Follow along:


First there was a Hellcat Challenger - 2 door muscle car. Not a track car.
Second there was a Hellcat Charger - a 4 door family sedan AND a muscle car (purists would argue it can't be since it has 4 doors)

Then ...

A Hellcat Viper!

Wishful thinking I guess

[s_c5519]

Why would Z06 owners be jealous? Maybe Z28 guys because they're both pony cars but the Z28 will slap most Vipers around a road course.

Oh I guess I was just saying I am jealous because I don't have one. I'm not into tracking/racing, just be cool to have another waxer in the garage, lol, plus I love that damn stupid Hellcat name...:) :icon_devil:

oh, and yes the first song I would play in it on the ride home would be AC/DC Highway to Hell... :dude3:

and then probably put it up for sale the next day;)

[FLATOUT]

LMAO love the explanation. The only thing I'm envious of is the marketing effort that went into the hellcat when compared to Viper. I think the hellcats a great car I just think the gen V Viper is the best platform with the least respect in the market place.



Oh I guess I was just saying I am jealous because I don't have one. I'm not into tracking/racing, just be cool to have another waxer in the garage, lol, plus I love that damn stupid Hellcat name...:) :icon_devil:

oh, and yes the first song I would play in it on the ride home would be AC/DC Highway to Hell... :dude3:

and then probably put it up for sale the next day;)

[MalingatorGTS]

LMAO love the explanation. The only thing I'm envious of is the marketing effort that went into the hellcat when compared to Viper. I think the hellcats a great car I just think the gen V Viper is the best platform with the least respect in the market place.

This 10000%! Even non-car people know about the Hellcat. Complete props to Dodge on this btw. The sad thing is I show people pictures from last weekend of a fantastic BW Gen5 even "car guys" say, what, they still make Vipers? Really, this needs to change.

[darbgnik]

The problem started before they even hit the showrooms with the Gen V. People whined about the Shelby Mustang having more HP than the ultimate Dodge. Nobody cared that the Mustang can't put any of it down. 640HP was only a marginal improvement over the outgoing, they want the Viper to be stupid, with stupid numbers.

Do I think the Viper would be radically different if a few hero motors came out on testers with 700HP? Nope, but at that moment in time all the magazine covers would have been plastered with titles like "INSANE 700HP VIPER!!!!!" The general public likes numbers, and has a generally short attention span. You can't take 5 minutes and explain to someone why the new Viper is awesome. You need a quick tagline. 700HP would do it. You don't have the bandwidth to explain that 45 more HP plus 150 pounds lighter is exceptionally better. Too many words. The Hellcat took care of it's own marketing with a number starting with 7. Nobody cared that it's a fatty with a Nuclear Power Plant in it, you had them at Nuclear!

They never made a big enough deal about all the carbon fiber body panels either. We know that the light weight carbon fiber under the paint isn't exactly pretty, but they could have made a couple with a beauty finish, and left them cleared only to display the " added lightness".

You can't expect people to read the brochure before they are in the showrooms to buy. You need to smack them in the face with the car. Give the magazines something big to put on the cover to sell more copies. A carbon fiber Viper, or a 700HP tagline would have done it. Who cares if the actual carbon is painted, explain that later.

The Corvette gets more fanfare despite having only barely nudged the Viper by 10HP, that disappears after a 10 minute idle, because it's a Corvette. They are not crazy like a Viper, so the HP number doesn't have to be crazy to be effective, because whatever the number is, it will be a lot for a Corvette.

[rw99]

The problem started before they even hit the showrooms with the Gen V. People whined about the Shelby Mustang having more HP than the ultimate Dodge. Nobody cared that the Mustang can't put any of it down. 640HP was only a marginal improvement over the outgoing, they want the Viper to be stupid, with stupid numbers.

Do I think the Viper would be radically different if a few hero motors came out on testers with 700HP? Nope, but at that moment in time all the magazine covers would have been plastered with titles like "INSANE 700HP VIPER!!!!!" The general public likes numbers, and has a generally short attention span. You can't take 5 minutes and explain to someone why the new Viper is awesome. You need a quick tagline. 700HP would do it. You don't have the bandwidth to explain that 45 more HP plus 150 pounds lighter is exceptionally better. Too many words. The Hellcat took care of it's own marketing with a number starting with 7. Nobody cared that it's a fatty with a Nuclear Power Plant in it, you had them at Nuclear!

They never made a big enough deal about all the carbon fiber body panels either. We know that the light weight carbon fiber under the paint isn't exactly pretty, but they could have made a couple with a beauty finish, and left them cleared only to display the " added lightness".

You can't expect people to read the brochure before they are in the showrooms to buy. You need to smack them in the face with the car. Give the magazines something big to put on the cover to sell more copies. A carbon fiber Viper, or a 700HP tagline would have done it. Who cares if the actual carbon is painted, explain that later.

The Corvette gets more fanfare despite having only barely nudged the Viper by 10HP, that disappears after a 10 minute idle, because it's a Corvette. They are not crazy like a Viper, so the HP number doesn't have to be crazy to be effective, because whatever the number is, it will be a lot for a Corvette.

Really well put; I agree.

In the end, it's all about EXCEEDING EXPECTATIONS. I'm a Challenger guy, too... had a 2009 SRT8 with a Vortech at ~630 HP. I fully expected the updated Challenger "Hellcat" to come out around that power level: a 6.2 L at 7-ish psi, sensible, warranty-friendly. Instead, they blow up the internet with over 700 HP and prodigious burnouts, and we all realize why Ralph was being so coy about the Hellcat. Expectations exceeded; I bought one.

In my heart, though, I want Viper to continue to cater to the faithful... to serve our little niche of drivers that prefer three pedals, that seek connectivity to the road surface, and that enjoy the rarity of the car.

[cuda736908]

I smile and laugh at times wondering why. Why build a 700hp challenger, charger (soon to be jeep and even 1500 truck)? Why set a price point of $65,000? From an outsider looking in it's genius pure genius. It has been mentioned before but everyone and I mean everyone remembers the rumors of the Hellcat power numbers 550, 575, 585. Ford and Chevy guys said Dodge would never do it. Through marketing and setting an amazing price point Dodge has it figured out. Why build it if everyone that hears or sees it won't want it. This is the secret. In many respects the loyalists (me and all of my family) would have loved and embraced what ever Dodge put in the hellcat but the difference this time was shock factor. 700 plus hp in a car that can transport 4 people for $65k! Just to hammer home the price point you can run to your local dodge dealer and find a loaded 1500 ram for nearly $65k and that's crazy! Amazing concept and plan on Hellcat. Most Chevy and Ford guys are angry or jealous about the Hp numbers and many could see themselves changing over to get a taste!
Now let's talk viper. Amazing car with good history and low production. Loyal owners that tend to upgrade through the generations with a pretty hefty price tag. Perception is reality and perception sets the bar. For some the bar is high and others like myself think it's way too low. If we viper owners demand more, want more and are not willing to settle for less now's your time to make a statement. The new gen v is an amazing car, beautiful, crisp, stunning but it lacks two things in my opinion.
1. Shock value 2. Cross brand interest. In my opinion you can't have #2 without #1. The Hellcat has both! So how do we fix it? Set the bar high, establish what we want and build something better then the rest. I bet we all would love to hear about a 1 year waiting list on the new viper. Perception is reality and the reality is Hellcats are kicking our butts. Time to change perception.

[LmeaViper]

Some interesting discussion. From my perspective I always wanted a Viper but settled for other lower priced performance cars account budget. However, now that the Viper prices have come down, we have already seen how sales improved dramatically. I stumbled across the Viper while at an Auto show and liked the looks of it much more than the C7 / Z06 Vette.

I subsequently did some additional poking around online and found out that the price point of the Viper is now quite more reasonable. My $.02 says that if Dodge starts letting more people know about the price...the car will sell and grow in popularity even more as tons of people already admire the looks and performance of the car.

[darbgnik]

Yup, it's all about that 700 HP shock value for the Hellcat.

Yesterday, I was at the registries, registering my Gallardo for the summer, when the older lady helping me at the counter asked me, "How many HP does it have?" To which I replied, around 520. She says "Oh, did you hear about that new Dodge with over 700HP?" I laughed, and asked if she heard that it's 1000 pounds heavier too, in good humor. She laughed, and said "I suppose you're right, never thought of that."

It was a funny conversation, and as we continued the small talk, I was telling her about this conversation, exactly. She was a perfect example of the HellCat selling itself. I highly doubt that she buys Motor Trend.......

I could have explained that my new Viper had 645HP and was only just over 3000 pounds and beats up on the Hellcat in all areas besides grocery capacity, but why bother? I guarantee, if given the option she'd take the 700HP Hellcat over the 645HP Viper. I mean, it's got 700 HP. lol

[viperdriver5150]

Some interesting discussion. From my perspective I always wanted a Viper but settled for other lower priced performance cars account budget. However, now that the Viper prices have come down, we have already seen how sales improved dramatically. I stumbled across the Viper while at an Auto show and liked the looks of it much more than the C7 / Z06 Vette.

I subsequently did some additional poking around online and found out that the price point of the Viper is now quite more reasonable. My $.02 says that if Dodge starts letting more people know about the price...the car will sell and grow in popularity even more as tons of people already admire the looks and performance of the car.

I agree. I was in the same boat as you. I owned 2 new vipers, a 98 and 2000 and sold them in 2006. After that I owned many cars to try and fill the void, 1 Audi, 3 BMW's and 2 Porsche's. Now with the deals that were had on the 2013 Vipers, I bought a new GTS and couldn't be happier. I also bought a Dodge Dart for a daily car and it's a perfect fit.

There are lot's of good cars out there, but I have yet to find one that gives me the feeling of getting behind the wheel of any Viper. Every day is like the first day.

[RedTanRT/10]

The Hellcat's are game changers in the segment by 1st on the block at 700 hp plus a pretty reasonable price point, and a great name, Hellcat. Like the original viper, no real need to advertise and unlike the '92 viper, Hellcat gets so much lift with the web, social media, etc.

The original '92 Viper had a great unique look, great name, and broke the 400 hp barrier that hadn't been done by a US car in 20 plus years.

Back then, bargain price at $50K vs. a 911 Turbo w/315 hp at $90K MSRP, or a 512 Testarossa w/425 hp at $175K.

I'll also bet with the Hellcat, like the viper, crazy pricing and volume shelf life will be 3 years max. Look at viper production, peaked in '94 then dramatically fell as the rush to get one faded as most who wanted one, had one.