NISMO GTR vs Z07 vs 650S

[Zybane]

http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/coupes/1504_2015_chevrolet_corvette_z06_vs_2015_nissan_gt _r_nismo_comparison/track_performance.html

Amazing how that seven year old GTR platform still dominates. Z07 put up a pretty crappy time for it's specs. CF flipping out as usual.

Wonder how a TA/2.0 would have done.

[Rapidrezults]

and to think the Nissan didn't even have a set of Cup tires on it. Pretty insane.

[Zybane]

and to think the Nissan didn't even have a set of Cup tires on it. Pretty insane.

I was just thinking the same thing. The NISMO also won on the worst tires of the bunch!

[Snakebit10]

The new Z06 even with the Z07 package continues to confuse me. What was the purpose of this car Chevy? Certainly not track since it started overheating almost right away. Its got 650hp, CCB's, ligher weight than the GTR, aero and superior rubber and you still get waxed by around 2 secs on a track by the less powerful, comparatively undertired and much heavier GTR?? It did great on the street according to this article. So the Z06 is really a street car that looks like a track car?

The TA already lost to the Nismo GTR on the longer VIR but it was by about a half sec if memory serves so not sure if it would beat it on Willow.

I am curious to know if the Z07 time of 2:41 at VIR was done on the same config as when the Nismo ran at VIR(2:49) against the TA. From what I have read both runs were on the repaved VIR. Strange how it can lose this badly to the Nismo on Willow but be almost 8 sec faster on VIR. Different tracks and config yes and all that variable good stuff but even with all that considered that VIR time being 8 secs faster than the Nismo seems a bit suspect imho.

[Zybane]

Only real comparo's are same day, same track, same driver.

When you start posting times of freaking magazine editors driving and crap as "vehicle times", it gets a bit silly.

[Snakebit10]

Fair enough but even with a same day etc comparo's some still aren't satisfied unless their car wins. Oh well one thing seems to be sure and that is the Z06 is not performing to spec whether its between owners testing it on the street against the competition or magazine drivers testing it against its competition. Surprisingly the TA and Z06 haven't had a bunch of mag head to head tests yet.

[Zybane]

Fair enough but even with a same day etc comparo's some still aren't satisfied unless their car wins. Oh well one thing seems to be sure and that is the Z06 is not performing to spec whether its between owners testing it on the street against the competition or magazine drivers testing it against its competition. Surprisingly the TA and Z06 haven't had a bunch of mag head to head tests yet.

Ya, it was a close decision between the Z07 and the Viper. I'm really glad I went with the Viper. It was a no-brainer at below invoice versus the MSRP that all dealers wanted for the Z06. I think the MSRP for Z06 is going to die down quite a bit now that the car hasn't been doing too well in tests. I think the TA 2.0 would beat the Z06 even though the Z07 has WAY better track tires.

Plus it's hard to beat 645HP of NA awesomeness!

[ViperDC]

http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/coupes/1504_2015_chevrolet_corvette_z06_vs_2015_nissan_gt _r_nismo_comparison/track_performance.html

Amazing how that seven year old GTR platform still dominates. Z07 put up a pretty crappy time for it's specs. CF flipping out as usual.

Wonder how a TA/2.0 would have done.

The thread has been moved out of the C7Z06 section. LOL, those guys are unreal.

Now if I could just find that guy "MavsAK" that was claiming that the C7Z would be a match for the LaFerrari and 918 on the track. Again, LOL!

[ViperSmith]

The thread has been moved out of the C7Z06 section. LOL, those guys are unreal.

Now if I could just find that guy "MavsAK" that was claiming that the C7Z would be a match for the LaFerrari and 918 on the track. Again, LOL!

Fastest car you can buy under a million, remember?

[Zybane]

Ya there is also some retard over there named Dio that said the Z06 would beat the LaFerrari around a track. Some serious tools over there in corvette land.

[TitleMine]

GTR's are ballistic, even the ones that have seen some years, back in October we had a late night meet-up and one of the guys had an 750HP Terminator that got walked from a dig on a back road by a 2011 GTR. Thing had a car length before the brake lights went out on both cars.

[ViperDC]

Fastest car you can buy under a million, remember?

Ha yeah. Appears that was a little presumptuous (and that's being kind).

[Nine Ball]

Why no TA vs Z06 articles? Because the TA is discontinued now, and isn't available to purchase. Magazines tend to test readily available cars. They would need to go with 2015 TA2.0 vs 2015 C7 Z06.

Also, those VIR times in the 918 and TA were driven by a magazine writer, who was terrible behind the wheel. Go watch his in-car videos on youtube, look up "Lightning Lap" and you'll see every car in that comparison story. The guy was pretty awful. The Z06 had their best factory driver driving, who has more seat time behind the wheel of a Corvette than just about anyone.

[Crotalidae]

The thread has been moved out of the C7Z06 section. LOL, those guys are unreal.

Now if I could just find that guy "MavsAK" that was claiming that the C7Z would be a match for the LaFerrari and 918 on the track. Again, LOL!

That is to funny!!!

[ViperDC]

Why no TA vs Z06 articles? Because the TA is discontinued now, and isn't available to purchase. Magazines tend to test readily available cars. They would need to go with 2015 TA2.0 vs 2015 C7 Z06.

Also, those VIR times in the 918 and TA were driven by a magazine writer, who was terrible behind the wheel. Go watch his in-car videos on youtube, look up "Lightning Lap" and you'll see every car in that comparison story. The guy was pretty awful. The Z06 had their best factory driver driving, who has more seat time behind the wheel of a Corvette than just about anyone.

I think the same day, same driver tests between the C7Z and the TA 2.0 are going to be very interesting...

[Zybane]

I think the same day, same driver tests between the C7Z and the TA 2.0 are going to be very interesting...

Especially when the TA 2.0 is going to have a multi-second tire deficit. Those tires on the Z07 are no freaking joke on the track. Like racing slicks.

[FLATOUT]

LMAO moved to other cars. The way that forum is handling the ass beatings is making it even worse for the car.

[ViperSmith]

LMAO moved to other cars. The way that forum is handling the ass beatings is making it even worse for the car.

It really is pathetic.

[Zybane]

Ya, I can see maybe the roll races being moved. But to move the largest car magazine test of the Z06 just because it lost is hilarity.

[Voice of Reason]

It makes as much sense for them to move a Corvette article to Off Topic as it does for a Corvette vs GTR article to remain here in Gen V.

Don't get me wrong I'm very entertained by the meltdown over there, but I think this thread needs moved.

[Rapidrezults]

We need threads like this in here to keep the action going. The Gen V community is so small there's not enough to talk about. :hog:

[yellowmz3]

I agree with Rapid The Z06 CF has literally thousands of viewers. We have to keep this interesting!!

[TrackAire]

Don't move this thread!!!.....it will be good for Viper sales.

Jesus, the meltdown on the corvetteforum makes Chernobyl look like an igloo.

This would be a great time to add pharmaceutical companies that produce antidepressants to the stock portfolio.

[ViperSmith]

The Z06 forum is loony at the moment.

One thread there is great. Guy complains his new Z06 black color is off.

People tell him he sucks at taking pictures, should be expected, stop complaining, etc.

I guess their cataracts haven't been fixed yet.

http://i.imgur.com/s3nOGiUl.jpg

[Vprbite]

Ya there is also some retard over there named Dio that said the Z06 would beat the LaFerrari around a track. Some serious tools over there in corvette land.

It's possible. Depending on the driver. My 02 GTS took a Veyron once. The Veyron was being parked by a valet and he didn't know I was there and I was driving as fast as I could but bottom line, I won.

[FastMatt]

So the Nissan Altima won....

[Stealth]

Just depressing for the Vette...

[Nine Ball]

LMAO moved to other cars. The way that forum is handling the ass beatings is making it even worse for the car.

I found a photo of the Corvetteforum members, after reading this article.

http://www.independent.co.uk/incoming/article9859265.ece/binary/original/bury-heads-australia-v3.jpg

I hope they make a full recovery.

[Vprbite]

I would have thought their heads were stuck somewhere else.

[GBS]

For me at a cost of $150G for the GTR Nismo and $90G for the Z06 I would much rather have the Z06. I think the Z06 is a much better looking car. I think the GTR looks like crap and cost 40% more than the Z06. With the $60G in savings I could add another $25G and also buy a new Gen V Viper.

[IndyRon]

Another embarrassing disappointment that the faithful over at CF won't acknowledge actually happened. That said, what the hell? How is that GTR 150k? Did they really put another 60k worth of crap in it over the standard one? It appears that all it has is slightly different spoiler and fascia and slightly upgraded suspension!??!

[Eachey51]

8705 sorry about the low quality

[yellowmz3]

This might be redundant (and if so, i apologize), but the article wasnt all bad for the Vette. The author actually preferred the Vette to use on a day to day basis. Obviously, as a track car, it fell flat.

[Dman]

Well, I think it did well at its price point. I think it should be obvious to everyone at this point now that the new Z06 is NOT an evolution of the Z06 it replaced or the ZR1. GM markets it like it is, but it just simply isn't. I'm not a Vette guy but have always loved it as another US car that kicked exotics butts around the track, and how it managed it's HP to ground so well. Always impressed me from a perf standpoint and always respected it. But this model is just something else and its a shame it's pulled the Z06 name/icon down with it. As a fun street car it's fine, but living up to the perf heritage of the name it's been given, ugh, what a shame.

[Nine Ball]

This might be redundant (and if so, i apologize), but the article wasnt all bad for the Vette. The author actually preferred the Vette to use on a day to day basis. Obviously, as a track car, it fell flat.

I took those comments as his attempt to be subjective and throw some praise on the loser of the comparison. No doubt to soften the blow to the fanboys of the Z06, and to hopefully scale down the amount of hate mail and conspiracy theory emails that they are (still) certain to get. "Why no A8 Z06???!!!" "Randy can't drive!!!" "Nissan sent a ringer!!!" etc...

Just like they do when the Viper wins a competition. They tell us about how bad the car drives/sucks and that it is just fast. I'm okay with that.

[dethred]

I didn't see this mentioned, but half a mile of altitude will affect a supercharged motor whereas a turbocharged motor will produce the set boost pressure for the other vehicles... but don't mention that on CF or they'll run with it.

[Nine Ball]

LOL. They posted the article on the front page of their site. Can't really hide that, now, can we?

http://www.corvetteforum.com/articles/motortrend-takes-godzilla-new-z06/

[Sub Driver]

Altitude affects turbos as much as superchargers. Both make less hp.

[Voice of Reason]

LOL. They posted the article on the front page of their site. Can't really hide that, now, can we?

http://www.corvetteforum.com/articles/motortrend-takes-godzilla-new-z06/

And the front page "Look at me!" article links to the thread that's still burried in the Other Cars "Go away!" section. They've seriously list their minds over there.

[yellowmz3]

Well, since it's a fail on the track and the author found it superior on the road, (and overall liveability), maybe they're going to spin it by saying it's the 'preferred' car in the comparo. Unfortunately, it was publisized as the best track car ever...

[dethred]

They both make less power, but a turbocharger using a computer-controlled wastegate will adjust the wastegate to maintain the same manifold pressure regardless of ambient conditions. Additional IAT, lag, etc may affect the turbocharged motor, or if the turbocharger is close to it's max output at factory settings it may not be able to completely compensate for the lower ambient density. With a supercharger, the pulley sizes determine the manifold pressure, which is based on the speed of the compressor, and the pulley is obviously a constant diameter.

If the altitude lowers ambient air pressure by 3psi, a (modern) turbocharged motor's ECU will adjust the wastegate and maintain factory pressure. For a supercharger, it will lower by roughly the same drop in air pressure as ambient.

Although I may be entirely wrong.

[Boba Fett]

It really is pathetic.

as many of those gm apologists over there..