Anyone with a white Gen V notice this?

[Rapidrezults]

Started noticing this yellowing inside an area within the door jamb. Also slight yellowing on the outside above the rocker as seen in the pic below. Cannot figure out for the life of me what could've caused this. Took it to my detailer, tried a few things but the yellowing is almost etched into the clear. Looks like I will have to take the rockers off and use some compound to remove it. It seemed to become more apparent after a most recent track day...so I'm assuming the heat made it worse.

Not sure if it's something that will eventually become a warranty issue so I wanted to see if anyone else has noticed this. I say white because I don't think it will be as apparent on any other color if it is something purely related to heat.

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[01sapphirebob]

Its a heat related issue. All white G5s will have this happen.

[mikesax]

Yeah-I got that too!! Assumed it's heat related as well!! I just don't look at it that much-figure it comes with the territory!!

[ViperSmith]

Get it documented now so if you do anything to the car it is covered now. So, if you decide to sell the car in 2-3 years it can get repainted under warranty.

And I had it happen to my White 2013

[Simms]

As others have said, heat. Was common on silver Gen II's as well.

Ditching the cats helped on older Gens.

[pdv25]

Same thing happened to my white viper. I put a strip of white wrap to cover it. Just giving you a real cheap idea to fix it. It will probably happen again if the dealer paints it.

[Timnineside]

Drive faster and the car will stay cooler.

[1Koolasp 16ACR]

Yeh I Got It Too, It's The Cats , There Right There , High Flow Cats Are The Fix, Painting Them ,It Will Only Come Back, The Downside To A White Viper, Oh Well !!!! Not Gonna Bother ,Trading It In For A !7 Or !8 Viper And Burn My 15k Coupon, Use It Or Lose It .

[ViperGeorge]

I believe some folks were removing the sills and improving the insulation in that area. There seems to be a spot not fully covered. Haven't noticed it yet on my white 14 GTS but I'll have to look more closely.

[Rapidrezults]

I have a feeling it's combination of just plain high heat and possibly some left over soap residue/hard water from washing that may sit in there and cause a reaction once heated. I definitely like the idea of some white wrap for the inside, but what concerns me is the outer part yellowing. Looks like it's time to figure out some solutions to minimizing heat in that area before it gets worse.

[v10enomous]

I had that on my silver 98 and took the cats off while the sills were being resprayed and it's been perfect going on 6 years now. New car is yellow but if this happens it will be the excuse I'm looking for to change out the exhaust.;)

[RedTanRT/10]

Its a heat related issue. All white G5s will have this happen.


Correction, all white viper's, G1-'96, G-2-'98 G-3-'04, etc., etc

Like he said it's the heat, the cats

[nastygts]

same here...@ 500 miles

[Policy Limits]

So the white ACR is out...

[Mazak]

Yeh I Got It Too, It's The Cats , There Right There , High Flow Cats Are The Fix, Painting Them ,It Will Only Come Back, The Downside To A White Viper, Oh Well !!!! Not Gonna Bother ,Trading It In For A !7 Or !8 Viper And Burn My 15k Coupon, Use It Or Lose It .

Will using High flow cats void any part of the warranty ?

[SilveRT8]

Got it too ! Does not bother me

[Junkie]

Mine doesn't have it, but I got rid of cats as soon as I could

[mblgjr]

Im sure heat accelerates the issue.

But; the 03/04 SVT Cobras had same issues with rockers and bumper covers turning yellowish.

My wifes 13 Toyo Venza was pearl white and some of the urethane trim pieces also had yellowing after a year. Its almost like theres something in the flex agent or molding process from the urethane that leaches out.

[Nine Ball]

Both of my white Gen 5 cars formed that. Heat from the cats. Doesn't bother me, can't see it with door shut. I might paint that area matte black, when I do exhaust mods.

[V10 Snake]

Yep!! got it at @ 500 miles

[jjrho]

i took the distal cats off as corsa exh. was put it, which was wrapped with 2" titanium wrap… all upto the new cat delete section and heat is not really an issue anymore…. i can pre much touch any part of the door sill and into the rocker area w/o burning myself…. it still gets hot if i sit for 10minutes or so/not moving…. but o/w, it was a good 'fix' ….

[RedTanRT/10]

Will using High flow cats void any part of the warranty ?

If the aftermarket part is the cause of other failures, yes.

[yellowmz3]

From what I understand, if you change anything from headers back, your warranty is fine. Please refer to the Magnuson-Moss Warranty act for more info on the subject

[Rapidrezults]

For anyone interested, looks like Dodge knew about the problem and opted to paint the 2015's with a matte black/grey color in this area. I found this pic on a white 2015 from Tomball.

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[Simms]

Interesting. I might do this when I put my exhaust on.

[GBS]

Seems like this should be something Dodge should address.

[V10 Snake]

that just shows the inside of the car. some have it on the outer sill as well
For anyone interested, looks like Dodge knew about the problem and opted to paint the 2015's with a matte black/grey color in this area. I found this pic on a white 2015 from Tomball.

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[donk_316]

Has anyone gone through warranty over this? My car is starting to show signs of this excessive heat on the passenger side.

I took it into dodge and they took pictures of it and now are waiting on "SRT engineer" phone call (that was 3 days ago)

Also the xpel on that rocker has wrinkled.
Picture attached.

[texasram]

Has anyone gone through warranty over this? My car is starting to show signs of this excessive heat on the passenger side.

I took it into dodge and they took pictures of it and now are waiting on "SRT engineer" phone call (that was 3 days ago)

Also the xpel on that rocker has wrinkled.
Picture attached.
i have a healthy dose of paint bubbling on my hood and havn't heard anything from chrysler

[donk_316]

Really? So you did take it to the dealer and they have done nothing about it? Or was this the black car that was repainted?

[texasram]

Correct pics and everything were taken and its been about a month now and haven't heard back

[ClayR]

I took cats off and it is burning the black paint at the exhaust tip. Oh well. I actually had to order a new driver side sill as our tech didn't tighten the bolt and it torched the driver side sill and rear inner fender well.

I am just going to say this, nobody get Agency Power Titanium exhaust, the tips do not extend far enough and when I called.emailed them they said oh well. So I do not recommend them at all.

[GerryWoodViper]

Started noticing this yellowing inside an area within the door jamb. Also slight yellowing on the outside above the rocker as seen in the pic below. Cannot figure out for the life of me what could've caused this. Took it to my detailer, tried a few things but the yellowing is almost etched into the clear. Looks like I will have to take the rockers off and use some compound to remove it. It seemed to become more apparent after a most recent track day...so I'm assuming the heat made it worse.

Not sure if it's something that will eventually become a warranty issue so I wanted to see if anyone else has noticed this. I say white because I don't think it will be as apparent on any other color if it is something purely related to heat.

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When I tracked our 2015 T/A2.0 at the UTCC my car had yellowing around this area (blue car) and ultimately had some disfiguring of the plastic. While unfortunate, when tracking a car heat is an issue and wrapping will help. We have wrapped out 2017 ACR-E and will see how it helps.

[Rapidrezults]

This will happen regardless of what you do, unless you completely remove the cats and wrap the pipes. You can get them to warranty it, but it will happen again at some point.

The explanation is it gives the car "character." Some of the white TA 2.0's at Bondurant had the whole sill turning yellow from running in high heat and hard track miles.

[donk_316]

I want it replaced under warranty and then I'll rip out the cats for ARH and VE titanium catback.

[BJG32]

I want it replaced under warranty and then I'll rip out the cats for ARH and VE titanium catback.

last year I noticed it happening to my white car. I quickly corrected it with highflows........... but denied paint warranty due to high flows. I addressed it pretty early, so not too concerned about it. I just couldn't pass up another opportunity to complain about FCA!

[cashcorn]

I noticed this on my 14 silver srt around 500 miles. A&C installed my belangers & hi-flows/tune at 900 miles. No further coloring & sills never get much over warm(huge difference). best mod. next mod, VE suspension.

[donb]

How does this bode for someone taking factory delivery and driving 2,000 miles back home?

Has anyone just wrapped the cats/pipes without doing mods?

[ViperJon]

I don't have any whatsoever on my white ACR-E with stock exhaust, but it hasn't been tracked.

[cashcorn]

do yourself a favor & get rid of the stock cats (4)..

[ViperGeorge]

Same issue on my 14 white GTS. Only on the inside so I don't worry about it.

[Nemesis]

This happened on my white gts and it was covered and repainted under warranty.

[ViperTony]

Didn't happen on my side sills but I stopped it from happening by switching to the Partsrack/Belanger catback and high flow cats. When I took off the sills to perform the exhaust swap I found that the yellowing was happening under the sill plate cover just beyond where the black metal heat shield is installed under the sill.

http://driveviper.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=19750&d=1473107102

[racegate]

It happened on my 2015 which is bone stock with ~7K miles (but has not been tracked). Light discoloring on the outside on both sides towards the front near where it meets the hood, but more noticeable on the drivers side. I'll just get rid of the cats and then repaint. Annoying for sure because it stands out (to me) due to the otherwise amazing white paint, but not the end of the world.

[donb]

Any official word on this from FCA? I'd like to take factory delivery, and would have a 2,000 mile trip back home.

[donk_316]

No word yet for me. I'll call them Monday for an update.

[Jdmuscle]

I want it replaced under warranty and then I'll rip out the cats for ARH and VE titanium catback.

That's an awesome combo.. :)

[donb]

I recall seeing a pic where the silver insulation wasn't fully to the edge of the panel, maybe that contributed?

It seems like many would just dump the stock cats, I'd rather avoid doing all that if possible.

[NKC]

Noticed this issue on all the white Bondurant cars and my neighbor's white ACR-E with just over 1200miles on it and the suntek PPF is bubbling.

I'm looking for exhaust options before it happens to my white ACR. What brands are there now?

Belanger...Corsa... Agency power...anymore? Recommendations? Best place to buy from?

Thanks.

[donk_316]

ARH dude. Their headers and Corsa exhaust.

[Rapidrezults]

I lined every nook and cranny of my sills with lava shield and wrapped the high flow cats in heat shield armor with stainless steel zip ties and the sills still get burning hot on shutdown. The problem isn't so much while it's running and moving, it's the lack of ventilation from the hot cats once the car is stopped and the heat builds. You have to ditch the cats all together if you really want to solve the problem.

https://c1.staticflickr.com/6/5233/30130347336_01c6b3578f_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/MUvUxb)IMG_1133 (https://flic.kr/p/MUvUxb) by Rapidrezults (https://www.flickr.com/photos/133130983@N03/), on Flickr

[edc]

ARH dude. Their headers and Corsa exhaust.

That's what I have. Love the sound

[7TH_SIGN]

Has anyone gone through warranty over this? My car is starting to show signs of this excessive heat on the passenger side.

I took it into dodge and they took pictures of it and now are waiting on "SRT engineer" phone call (that was 3 days ago.

Yes I did. Good luck going through the dealership. When they said that they would have to remove the doors to get the panels off I ran for my life. I ended up doing a lot of leg work on my end and got Prefix to send me new panels under warranty. Factory paint. I ended up installing them and lining them up better than the factory. Took my time and ensured it was done perfect. I have a thread about it on here.

Stock cats get very hot and cause the discoloration and sometimes blisters in the paint. Before installing the replacement panels I went catless. Never happened again. High flow cars should also stop it.

My first set up replacement panels blistered up on the first run out. So they sent me another set but this time I removed all the cats. No issues anymore.

[ViperJon]

Catch 22. Stock cats may cause blistering, modding or high flo cats to fix issue void warranty.

[BJG32]

Any official word on this from FCA? I'd like to take factory delivery, and would have a 2,000 mile trip back home.

You shouldn't have any issues with casual driving home in mild weather, but I understand the concern. If nothing else you could remove the 2 panels for your trip and put them in the trunk. Any other part that yellows is easily hidden.

Additionally, worst case scenario the panels you remove can be easily shipped to prefix for repaint if you push for it under warranty.

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[SSGNRDZ_28]

Catch 22. Stock cats may cause blistering, modding or high flo cats to fix issue void warranty.


This is my dilemma. Are there any exhaust solutions that don't require the Arrow ECU or a tune? Less worried about changing the exhaust than the ECU.

Might try ceramic coating the inside of the panels and hope for the best.

[BJG32]

This is my dilemma. Are there any exhaust solutions that don't require the Arrow ECU or a tune? Less worried about changing the exhaust than the ECU.

Might try ceramic coating the inside of the panels and hope for the best.

Before anyone suggest spark plug nonfoulers, they did not work for me. You will get a CEL with highflows. This was the reason I ultimately decided to go with an Arrow PCM.....so you can see how trying to keep my paint nice domino'd into a complete void of my warranty. Bullshit, but I own a viper (actually 2 as of next week!!!). I'll live.

[dewilmoth]

This is my dilemma. Are there any exhaust solutions that don't require the Arrow ECU or a tune? Less worried about changing the exhaust than the ECU.

Might try ceramic coating the inside of the panels and hope for the best.

My same dilemma. I decided to just let it happen, and eventually before the warranty expires I will have it warrantied then immediately swap the exhaust to get rid of the cats and have everything coated.

I have found that Menzerna paintwork cleansing lotion cleans almost all of the yellowing off if I give it some love, which makes me think the yellowing is really only the top layer of the clear coat. I'm sure a good buff job by a detailer could get rid of it, but I don't want to keep removing clearcoat, so I'll stick with the cleansing lotion until I'm ready to solve the underlying issue.

[BJG32]

BTW....I think gutting the second cat (and not telling your dealer) will be a good solution to keep your warranty, cool the sills, and keep paint nice.......

[texasram]

I lined every nook and cranny of my sills with lava shield and wrapped the high flow cats in heat shield armor with stainless steel zip ties and the sills still get burning hot on shutdown. The problem isn't so much while it's running and moving, it's the lack of ventilation from the hot cats once the car is stopped and the heat builds. You have to ditch the cats all together if you really want to solve the problem.

https://c1.staticflickr.com/6/5233/30130347336_01c6b3578f_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/MUvUxb)IMG_1133 (https://flic.kr/p/MUvUxb) by Rapidrezults (https://www.flickr.com/photos/133130983@N03/), on Flickr
Oooooo get a piece of plywood under that stand bro, that floor too nice to have it damaged, can also damage concrete underneath

[dewilmoth]

BTW....I think gutting the second cat (and not telling your dealer) will be a good solution to keep your warranty, cool the sills, and keep paint nice.......
Hadn't thought of that. Great idea. Wonder if simple O2 extenders would prevent the light?

[BJG32]

Hadn't thought of that. Great idea. Wonder if simple O2 extenders would prevent the light?

O2 extender = Spark Plug nonefouler

Did not work for me!

[SRT_BluByU]

Many a second set of sills with some vents created for them... a la GTS-R

http://www.dieselstation.com/wallpapers/albums/Dodge/Viper-GTS-R-2013/dodge-srt-viper-gts-r-2013-63.jpg

[dewilmoth]

O2 extender = Spark Plug nonefouler

Did not work for me!

I've been told the ones with a 90 degree elbow work better to get the O2 sensor completely out of the exhaust stream, but I have no experience with any of them.

[BJG32]

I've been told the ones with a 90 degree elbow work better to get the O2 sensor completely out of the exhaust stream, but I have no experience with any of them.

both of mine are 90 dgrees. no go for me.

[dewilmoth]

both of mine are 90 dgrees. no go for me.

Well damn, scratch that idea then. Thanks for the info.

[7TH_SIGN]

O2 extender = Spark Plug nonefouler

Did not work for me!

They worked for me on the stock PCM. Which ones did you use?


Catch 22. Stock cats may cause blistering, modding or high flo cats to fix issue void warranty.

Unfortunately true.

[dewilmoth]

They worked for me on the stock PCM. Which ones did you use?

Unfortunately true.

More importantly, which ones did you use?

[BJG32]

I used these...
http://www.bigdaddiesgarage.com/straight-cel-fix.html?gclid=CjwKEAjwj92_BRDQ-NuC98SZkWYSJACWmjhlzkmhocjvuqFXuZ-Qt0EOHi7tmSGs9Yt1B9cWwFkZJBoCPEjw_wcB

[ViperTony]

I used these...
http://www.bigdaddiesgarage.com/straight-cel-fix.html?gclid=CjwKEAjwj92_BRDQ-NuC98SZkWYSJACWmjhlzkmhocjvuqFXuZ-Qt0EOHi7tmSGs9Yt1B9cWwFkZJBoCPEjw_wcB

I have those as well. Very well made and no code issues with the stock PCM in 1,300 miles so far. Crappy pics of them installed here: http://driveviper.com/forums/threads/12857-PartsRack-Belanger-Hi-Flow-Cats-Catbacks?p=246658&viewfull=1#post246658

[7TH_SIGN]

More importantly, which ones did you use?

I used these. They worked and I can confirm 1200 miles with them on and never a CEL.

https://www.amazon.com/O2-Sensor-Spacer-Adapter-Extender/dp/B00CZFCPQU

[biturboamg]

Yup my White car has this as well and will visit the dealer before warranty is up to get it fixed and once that is done no reason not do to ARH and high flows to avoid it from happening again. I am hoping dealer will let my painter do the work vs them doing it.

[ViperJon]

Two things I always do when I get back from a ride if possible. I always open the hood to vent the heat and I spray down the tires and sills with water. Probably doesn't do anything but I figure rather than the sills heat soaking for an hour getting them cooled off can't hurt.

[SSGNRDZ_28]

Two things I always do when I get back from a ride if possible. I always open the hood to vent the heat and I spray down the tires and sills with water. Probably doesn't do anything but I figure rather than the sills heat soaking for an hour getting them cooled off can't hurt.

Good idea. Wet towels on the sills could keep the area cool as well.

[texasram]

Two things I always do when I get back from a ride if possible. I always open the hood to vent the heat and I spray down the tires and sills with water. Probably doesn't do anything but I figure rather than the sills heat soaking for an hour getting them cooled off can't hurt.

this is exactly what i do and im about to install a fan or two in garage floor to push air while hood open