Matte black stripes over black look insane on this thing!

[triblk6spd]

I decided I didn't really love the silver stripes my car had from the factory so I had my installer / partner do a set of new stripes in 3M 1080 Matte Deep Black. They came out completely ridiculous. I LOVE them. Stay tuned for more pics of her on lowering caps and wheel spacers.

http://i1383.photobucket.com/albums/ah287/justin51/Mobile%20Uploads/2015-01/20150129_205132_1_zpsyjtpeemn.jpg (http://s1383.photobucket.com/user/justin51/media/Mobile%20Uploads/2015-01/20150129_205132_1_zpsyjtpeemn.jpg.html)

http://i1383.photobucket.com/albums/ah287/justin51/Mobile%20Uploads/2015-01/20150129_205029_zpssqctfklv.jpg (http://s1383.photobucket.com/user/justin51/media/Mobile%20Uploads/2015-01/20150129_205029_zpssqctfklv.jpg.html)
http://i1383.photobucket.com/albums/ah287/justin51/Mobile%20Uploads/2015-01/20150129_195218_zpsbdnmipiv.jpg (http://s1383.photobucket.com/user/justin51/media/Mobile%20Uploads/2015-01/20150129_195218_zpsbdnmipiv.jpg.html)

[ViperSmith]

How much for the stripes (can be done at home or need pro?)

[Camfab]

Looks awesome, but have to say I loved those silver stripes as well. It's nice to have choices! Gotta love those Gen V's.

[triblk6spd]

Zero possibility of applying these yourself. It takes my installer...who works with vinyl every day about 5 hours to complete this jod. 7-8 hours to do stripes from scratch.

[Rapidrezults]

Looks nice. Pictures just don't do these Gen V's justice. I'm sure it looks way better in person!

[1.8t]

Looks great!

[Zybane]

Do you know if your installed used Vinyl edge sealer like this:

http://www.amazon.com/3M-Edge-Sealer-3950-Graphics/dp/B005LDH83S/ref=pd_sim_auto_6?ie=UTF8&refRID=12S3RDVX62EETT8D8HNY

I heard that stuff really helps prevent the edges of stuff like racing stripes from lifting during weather/cleaning.

[Leslie]

Omg that looks CRAZY!
I bet it looks even better in person, great choice!

[FLATOUT]

This look is your calling card :) Looks great on this car too.

[swexlin]

Looks great.

[LifeIsGood]

That's one hell of a color combination...absolutely beautiful. I've said/typed multiple times...if I ever paint my viper it'll be black with matte black stripes. Nicely done.

[Bruce H.]

That looks great! I'm a fan of the factory graphite gray stripe on Venom Black for its subtlety, and this nails the understated look as well. I could see this used for a driver's stripe on a TA.

[SA Heat]

Damn, that looks really good.

[sammyv]

I like it!

[ViperJon]

Don't even think about trying this at home kids....there's an artistic knack to it and you don't have it.
Just take the money you'd spend on the materials and throw it away now, saves time.

[VIPERGTSRT10]

Looks great!

[Simms]

Love it!

[V1P3R]

Really liking the look!

[FrgMstr]

Don't even think about trying this at home kids....there's an artistic knack to it and you don't have it.
Just take the money you'd spend on the materials and throw it away now, saves time.

Mine turned out perfect.

http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s---Mchme5K--/c_fit,fl_progressive,q_80,w_636/18hgtphck097vjpg.jpg

[pythonpete]

Mine turned out perfect.

http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s---Mchme5K--/c_fit,fl_progressive,q_80,w_636/18hgtphck097vjpg.jpg

Wow, I didn't think this could be done by amateurs, I was wrong.

[triblk6spd]

Hahahaha thanks again guys. True...doing a perfect stripe job is not for the novice. As stated there is a 99.9% chance you will be throwing away the film and having a pro do it.
Zybane...no we never use primer. Primer (edge sealer) is a crutch used by hacks in the vinyl and vehicle wrap business. There is no need for it if the film is applied correctly.

[ViperDC]

Damn that looks sick

[FrgMstr]

Damn that looks sick

Thanks, I thought the blue contrasted well on the gray as well. :)

[Red Snake]

Those stripes look awesome. Really finishes the car off. ;)

[Ripper]

Hahahaha thanks again guys. True...doing a perfect stripe job is not for the novice. As stated there is a 99.9% chance you will be throwing away the film and having a pro do it.
Zybane...no we never use primer. Primer (edge sealer) is a crutch used by hacks in the vinyl and vehicle wrap business. There is no need for it if the film is applied correctly.



Car looks Stellar!! Awesome job

[City]

Product looks great, but until the OP decides to be a site sponsor, advertising isn't permitted on the forum. Thread is locked for the moment, until we hear from the OP as to his intent.

My apologies for the rule enforcement.

___________________________________

Reopened after speaking with triblk6spd, who's intent was never to breach our forum rules.

PLEASE respond directly to him (PM) if you want information about his company and/or products.

Sorry for the intrusion. ;)

[DEADEYE]

Wow!!!

[City]

That looks great! I'm a fan of the factory graphite gray stripe on Venom Black for its subtlety, and this nails the understated look as well. I could see this used for a driver's stripe on a TA.

8640

I agree. One of the best "factory combos".

[mikesax]

Looks somewhat like my black with gunmetal stripes-especially from the front angle!! Understated/Mean/Elegant-BEST type of color IMO with black!!!!

[triblk6spd]

Thanks again guys and sorry moderators.

[Crotalidae]

Very nice!!!

[USWAG RT/10]

Looks great. How much should a good set of stripes cost?

[Synergy]

Looks AWESOME!

[SuperBird4404BBL]

I like it.

[Zybane]

Zybane...no we never use primer. Primer (edge sealer) is a crutch used by hacks in the vinyl and vehicle wrap business. There is no need for it if the film is applied correctly.

Hmm? When it comes to vinyl racing stripes, you have very long pronounced edges on relatively flat surfaces. Applying the film "correctly" isn't going to magically make the edges of racing stripes super resistant to lifting. Even 3M recommends adhesion promoter in such scenarios.

[triblk6spd]

Last time I checked I was an ACTUALL expert on vinyl wraps, vinly stripes, vinyl signs, pretty much vinyl everything. I'm pretty sure you are not. I work with vinyl for a living...we will wrap $10M in vehicles this year without a SINGLE drop of 3M Primer 94 or any other adhesion promoter.
Applying vinyl correctly is absolutely the name of the game. Any while I'm at it...even the hacks using primer to hold everything down don't really use it on long straight flat runs as this are usually the places with the least tension on the vinyl.
Problem with the Internet is people spread knowledge they don't have. Stop spreading knowledge you obviously don't have.


Hmm? When it comes to vinyl racing stripes, you have very long pronounced edges on relatively flat surfaces. Applying the film "correctly" isn't going to magically make the edges of racing stripes super resistant to lifting. Even 3M recommends adhesion promoter in such scenarios.

[viperr]

I happen to really like that combination. My ancient Gen II has similar colors. I just wish I had a beautiful Gen V like yours under my stripes. Nice car!

[Zybane]

Last time I checked I was an ACTUALL expert on vinyl wraps, vinly stripes, vinyl signs, pretty much vinyl everything. I'm pretty sure you are not. I work with vinyl for a living...we will wrap $10M in vehicles this year without a SINGLE drop of 3M Primer 94 or any other adhesion promoter.
Applying vinyl correctly is absolutely the name of the game. Any while I'm at it...even the hacks using primer to hold everything down don't really use it on long straight flat runs as this are usually the places with the least tension on the vinyl.
Problem with the Internet is people spread knowledge they don't have. Stop spreading knowledge you obviously don't have.

Calm down buddy. Why did you say you had someone else do it if you are the expert? And no, vinyl wrapping isn't some ridiculously hard art that only geniuses can accomplish. That's just what wrappers want the public to believe. It's not rocket science, just takes a little bit of practice.

And racing stripes have nothing to do with the "least tension". Lifting of the edges or "catching an edge" due to cleaning etc is the issue, not tension. That's why 3M, you know the guys that actually make the stuff, recommends adhesion promoter.

But if you want racing stripes really done right, it requires paint. And we all know the high price of doing that properly.

[triblk6spd]

...I'll say it again. You are a standard consumer...blind to how it actually works. I had MY installer do my stripes. NO PRIMER NEEDED. Keep rambling on like you do this for a living and go find a vinyl guy who will use primer in your stripes because YOU think that's how it's done. ...and yes IF you use primer at all its meant to hold down areas with high tension when using Control Tac film...corners...mostly bumpers and whatnot.
We delivered this car two weeks ago...chrome...the single hardest material to work with...period. Not a drop of primer anywhere on the car. And yes...there us a little bit of rocket science involved.
http://i1383.photobucket.com/albums/ah287/justin51/Mobile%20Uploads/2015-01/Screenshot_2015-01-18-17-25-55-1_zpszvyscnas.png (http://s1383.photobucket.com/user/justin51/media/Mobile%20Uploads/2015-01/Screenshot_2015-01-18-17-25-55-1_zpszvyscnas.png.html)

[Zybane]

Spare me the holier than thou attitude. You assume to know my background, what I've wrapped, and I'm not sure what a "standard customer" is. Blind to how it works? Ya, because laying and manipulating vinyl over a panel is just so amazingly complicated. These guys come from DARPA right? How could people that don't work in a vinyl shop possibly comprehend such magic!

What's the point in posting a picture of a full wrap car? There are no exposed edges of the vinyl left open on panels like there are with racing stripes. Not to mention I hope you don't have any lifting edges on a car that you just completed. Adhesion promotion on something like racing stripes is about long-term durability of the stripes. FYI, Chevrolet uses adhesive promoter on their factory vinyl racing stripes. So Chevrolet, in addition to 3M, don't know what they are doing. Good to know. Do you clean/surface prep a car? Guess what, that's to promote adhesion. For a new/small shop, your customer service leaves quite a bit to be desired.

[triblk6spd]

Zybane? Are you stupid? You sound like a complete moron. Arguing with you is obviously pointless. Go ahead and install your stripes and use all the primer you feel you need to get it right.
Lol @ "no exposed edges" on the Lexus....you think I magically managed to adhere the film to the paint by way of osmosis?
You mention surface prep...THIS is the key to adhesion. NOT primer.
Like I said...go ahead and do things the way the Internet has convinced you they need to be done. I'll continue on doing some the highest end wraps in Texas.

Two days ago you are asking a question...to which I provided an answer. Suddenly you are an expert when the answer isn't what you expected? Funny how that works...

http://i1383.photobucket.com/albums/ah287/justin51/Mobile%20Uploads/2015-02/Screenshot_2015-02-01-10-53-18_zpsxli2pqyh.png (http://s1383.photobucket.com/user/justin51/media/Mobile%20Uploads/2015-02/Screenshot_2015-02-01-10-53-18_zpsxli2pqyh.png.html)

[Zybane]

Oh name calling. The last bastion of the clueless.

I would use primer, and guess what, there is a high likelihood that the stripes would last quite a bit longer. Securing the racing stripes with a stronger adhesion potential than relying simply on the adhesive that comes on the back of the film is bad how exactly? Doesn't sound like physics is your strong suite. There is no negative to using adhesive promoter besides being more difficult to remove the vinyl years down the line when you want to remove it. Guess what, that means it's doing it's job. Without the promoter, I suspect you would be one sad panda if someone did the edge of a credit card across the hood surface test on your racing stripes. I also have an inkling why a shop like yours wouldn't use it, and that's because it takes more time and eats into your profits.

And yes, on a full car wrap there are no exterior exposed edges directly on the surface of a panel. You know, that's the purpose of wrapping whole panels? You tuck the vinyl up underneath the edges of the vinyl to adhere to the back side of the lip of whatever panel your wrapping. Be it a bumper, hood, fender. Or the access is secured down in a crevice between panels. For you to not know the difference between wrapping whole panels and racing stripes that leave exposed vinyl edges directly on panels surface is hilarious. Maybe painters should never use primer under their paint too eh? Any painter who tries to increase the adhesiveness of the paint he is applying is a "hack".

To which you provided an answer?


Zybane...no we never use primer. Primer (edge sealer) is a crutch used by hacks in the vinyl and vehicle wrap business.

Some smart-alack remark. You got called out for spouting nonsense. And yes, I would trust documentation from 3M, or what Chevy does at the factory versus some random new start-up shop in Texas that doesn't even have a working web site. Not sure why I am even still talking to you, you admitted other people do the installs for you..

[RT SERPENT]

I've had my matte black vinyl on black since 2008. Never had a problem or anything lifting.
I did have a pro install mine though. Just not worth attempting with my limited skills in this area.

I love the black on black! Never get tired of it. And it looks different in different light, sunlight, when wet, etc.

[Zybane]

I've had my matte black vinyl on black since 2008. Never had a problem or anything lifting.
I did have a pro install mine though.

I guess you wouldn't know if they used any adhesion promoter unless you went out of your way to ask them.

Got any more pics?

[Bruce H.]

Take a time out guys. We don't always have to agree, but if you can't debate respectfully it's better to just stop.

[triblk6spd]

Agreed. Zybane go on and continue to spew your nonsense. Fact is I own a wrap company with a back log of business with only 4 months open. My installer is one of the best in the business. You on the other hand are a kid who doesn't even own a Viper on a Viper forum. Your rambling about wrapping full panels and whatnot is hilarious as you speak on a subject you obviously know nothing about.
Name calling? I never called you a name. I simply asked if you were stupid. No need to answer. Finish up your wrap and get back to me.
....and for the record most vinyl stripe kits are dealer installed...guess what?...we install those kits with...one again...ZERO primer. I know you are an expert and you obvious don't get it but primer is a crutch 99% of the time. I won't be responding to your Internet based vehicle wrapping installation techniques. Have a good day and safe trip back from wherever you are stationed.

[Zybane]

Agreed. Zybane go on and continue to spew your nonsense. Fact is I own a wrap company with a back log of business with only 4 months open. My installer is one of the best in the business. You on the other hand are a kid who doesn't even own a Viper on a Viper forum. Your rambling about wrapping full panels and whatnot is hilarious as you speak on a subject you obviously know nothing about.
Name calling? I never called you a name. I simply asked if you were stupid. No need to answer. Finish up your wrap and get back to me.
....and for the record most vinyl stripe kits are dealer installed...guess what?...we install those kits with...one again...ZERO primer. I know you are an expert and you obvious don't get it but primer is a crutch 99% of the time. I won't be responding to your Internet based vehicle wrapping installation techniques. Have a good day and safe trip back from wherever you are stationed.

Oh, I wasn't aware of the triblk6spd forum rules that people with cars on order can't join that car's forum until delivery. My mistake..

Ya, no name calling there eh?:


Zybane? Are you stupid? You sound like a complete moron.

I was actually trying to have an adult conversation before your "I work in a vinyl shop, so everyone else is a moron" attitude flip-out about this oh-so amazingly complicated topic.

A non-qualitative statement like "My installer is one of the best in the business" is meaningless. Anyone could say such a thing about anyone, anywhere and in any business.

And no, Corvette vinyl racing stripes are installed at the factory and not the dealer. There aren't that many cars with factory order-able vinyl racing stripes, Corvette being by far the largest.

Why do you keep mentioning this "crutch"? Racing stripes are not under tension, so you don't need to use adhesion promoter as a "crutch" like you would in concave shapes. Are you denying that using a adhesion promoter wouldn't increase the durability of the edge(s) of the racing stripes? That would be one silly bet to take. As a matter of fact, adhesive promoter would be more difficult and time consuming to work with. Re-position-ability of the vinyl is reduced, making the install harder but more durable. And now we've reached the answer as to why your shop doesn't do it for racing stripe installs.

Saying something like this to my first question would have been all that sufficed for normal adult communication: "We feel that the adhesive properties of a properly installed vinyl racing stripe is sufficient enough to maintain a durable "no lift edge" condition for many years without the use of adhesion promoter."

Instead we got:


Zero possibility of applying these yourself.


Primer (edge sealer) is a crutch used by hacks in the vinyl and vehicle wrap business.


You are a standard consumer...blind to how it actually works.


Last time I checked I was an ACTUALL expert on vinyl wraps, vinly stripes, vinyl signs, pretty much vinyl everything.

I'm a vinyl god Attitude.

http://www.skinzwearphotography.com/prodImages/Mens-Gloss-Black-Vinyl-Bodysuit-Zentai-Catsuit-S-and-M-Costume-C1FZ-5807-F.jpg


Good day.

[triblk6spd]

Racing stripes are not under tension, so you don't need to use adhesion promoter as a "crutch" like you would in concave shapes.
Oh shit....now you are so confused you aren't aware that you have come full circle and are now agreeing with my very first post about NOT needing promoter when installing stripes.
Since you have soooo much time on your hands why not spend a few more hours researching only to find out I'm 100% right.
Lets recap....primer is used (even though we dont) to promote adhesion of low tack vinyl to high tension areas. Wrap shops DO over use this product so they can spend less time heating, stretching, post heating. Primer IS a crutch in a lot of cases...one only needs to spend a few extra hours per car to get the film to adhere without primer.
I know you just don't get it and are WAY too hard headed to ever get it by way of an Internet argument but you simply DONT need primer.
Using primer only creates more work and cost for the customer come removal time.
I'll say it again...I'm an actuall expert. NOT trained by searching on Google.

Another shop asked if we used primer on this *very difficult piece and our answer is no. We spend the time it takes to heat and stretch the material...not resort to a crutch *primer to hold it down.

http://i1383.photobucket.com/albums/ah287/justin51/Mobile%20Uploads/2015-02/Screenshot_2015-02-01-16-47-30_zpskevisqpe.png (http://s1383.photobucket.com/user/justin51/media/Mobile%20Uploads/2015-02/Screenshot_2015-02-01-16-47-30_zpskevisqpe.png.html)
http://i1383.photobucket.com/albums/ah287/justin51/Mobile%20Uploads/2015-02/Screenshot_2015-02-01-16-47-41_zpspd6l0aiu.png (http://s1383.photobucket.com/user/justin51/media/Mobile%20Uploads/2015-02/Screenshot_2015-02-01-16-47-41_zpspd6l0aiu.png.html)

And again I must ask....Two days ago you asked a very basic question in my thread to which I answered. SUDDENLY 48 hours later you are a wrap expert here to tell the entire forum how it's done. What changed?

[Zybane]

Oh shit....now you are so confused you aren't aware that you have come full circle and are now agreeing with my very first post about NOT needing promoter when installing stripes.


Obviously reading comprehension isn't your strong suit. Simply asking if you use adhesion promoter isn't agreeing with you. I never said you needed adhesion promoter on racing stripes because of tension on the vinyl. I said; and 3M agree's with me that racing stripes would benefit from adhesion promoter due to it deterring edge lifting. Since you know, racing stripes have a massive amount of exposed edges.


Another shop asked if we used primer on this *very difficult piece and our answer is no. We spend the time it takes to heat and stretch the material...not resort to a crutch *primer to hold it down.

Why do you keep posting pictures of full wrap panels? You don't heat and stretch racing stripes around the edges of full panels. We are talking about racing stripes. 98% of the edges are laying open exposed on body panels.

Try and keep up.

Oh and renting a garage in Texas doesn't automatically make you the god of everything Vinyl no matter what you may think.

[triblk6spd]

Renting a garage? I run a 4000 sqft facility.
Again 3 days ago asking basic questions? Today an expert. Keep googling....maybe you will be an expert by next week.
Also...go back and read that last post. Not a single thing you said made made any sense whatsoever.
This looks like a garage to you?
http://i1383.photobucket.com/albums/ah287/justin51/Mobile%20Uploads/2015-02/FB_IMG_1422879788346_zpsajv9lyvw.jpg (http://s1383.photobucket.com/user/justin51/media/Mobile%20Uploads/2015-02/FB_IMG_1422879788346_zpsajv9lyvw.jpg.html)
My equipment is worth more than your car...
http://i1383.photobucket.com/albums/ah287/justin51/Mobile%20Uploads/2015-02/FB_IMG_1422879895687_zpsytwgr7vz.jpg (http://s1383.photobucket.com/user/justin51/media/Mobile%20Uploads/2015-02/FB_IMG_1422879895687_zpsytwgr7vz.jpg.html)
...aaannnnddddd again. No need for primer on a simple set of stripes. None at all.

[LifeIsGood]

Zybane...you've had your say. You guys have successfully ruined this awesome thread with your back and forth...PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE...take the rest of your stupid ass fight to Private Messaging...and this thread would be a lot better if a MOD cleaned up the cat fighting posts.

STOP already!

[triblk6spd]

Truth. Thanks man.

[Zybane]

This looks like a garage to you?


Yes, yes it does. It's my profession to call out people who talk out of their ass. Especially those in a simple trade that seriously over-exaggerate the level of skill needed in such trade. Posting pictures isn't going to change that for you. Using adhesion promoter on racing stripes as indicated by 3M will increase the durability of racing stripes. That's a fact. Weather you feel it's needed or not is just an opinion. You still cannot deny that fact. Oh, and since you guys are so new, you have no long term durability tests to back up any of your claims at being gods of the vinyl world.


You guys have successfully ruined this awesome thread with your back and forth...

You call this a fight? It's just mild entertainment while waiting for missions. :t15197:

[Thawk97]

Wow - the first page is so great. Unfortunately, the following pages make the posters less impressive. Let's get back to great pics of the stripes!

[triblk6spd]

Missions? You are probably a pogue. Grab your pen and get to it buddy. Lmao.
Oh and no need for primer on simple stripes that will stick just fine.

[Zybane]

Missions? You are probably a pogue. Grab your pen and get to it buddy. Lmao.


Oh, a guy who lays vinyl down talking about things military. Now that's classic. Please say some more hilarious comments. The guys over here are having a good laugh.

I am Lord Vinyl, overseer of the land of car wraps. All bow before me!

http://www.skinzwearphotography.com/prodImages/Mens-Gloss-Black-Vinyl-Bodysuit-Zentai-Catsuit-S-and-M-Costume-C1FZ-5807-F.jpg

[triblk6spd]

Hahahaa exactly what a pencil pushing pogue would say. Have fun homie and keep your head behind the desk.
And another bit of wisdom...skip the Viper...just because you have the money now to get one doesn't mean you will in the future. After my 6th year in the Marine Corps I got out a d took what I had and invested in a business that has done well for me. You on the other hand seem FAR too hard headed to ever run a real business. Keep the money you make over there and use it to get you started on a new path....don't fucking waste it on a Viper you undoubtedly won't be able to afford after the warranty runs out.

[Zybane]

Hahahaa exactly what a pencil pushing pogue would say. Have fun homie and keep your head behind the desk.
And another bit of wisdom...skip the Viper...just because you have the money now to get one doesn't mean you will in the future. After my 6th year in the Marine Corps I got out a d took what I had and invested in a business that has done well for me. You on the other hand seem FAR too hard headed to ever run a real business. Keep the money you make over there and use it to get you started on a new path....don't fucking waste it on a Viper you undoubtedly won't be able to afford after the warranty runs out.

Oh so you couldn't get promoted in the Marine Corpse. Now it all makes sense.

What kind of loan rate did your dad get on that garage in Texas?

[City]

Gents, can we move on from the personal exchange? We all get it. You harshly disagree.

I'd appreciate both of you responding ONLY to posts other than each others from this point. Trust me, neither of you are gaining any argumentative bonus points on the other anymore.

[Zybane]

Gents, can we move on from the personal exchange? We all get it. You harshly disagree.

I'd appreciate both of you responding ONLY to posts other than each others from this point. Trust me, neither of you are gaining any argumentative bonus points on the other anymore.

Ok City, I was just having a little fun.

Back on topic, matte stripes look sweet on a Viper. ;)

[triblk6spd]

Gents, can we move on from the personal exchange? We all get it. You harshly disagree.

I'd appreciate both of you responding ONLY to posts other than each others from this point. Trust me, neither of you are gaining any argumentative bonus points on the other anymore.
Sounds good.

[triblk6spd]

....and because this is a stripe thread here are a few pics for comparison. These were my personal cars I did stripes on....kind of how I got into the matte black stripes theme in the 1st place.
My Roe ACR. These were wet applied which was cool because there wasn't any hard angles to cover especially as we left the NACA duct trim unwrapped. They came out super clean tho. This was back in 2008 maybe...
http://i1383.photobucket.com/albums/ah287/justin51/Mobile%20Uploads/019800x600-1_zpsdxodvauh.jpg (http://s1383.photobucket.com/user/justin51/media/Mobile%20Uploads/019800x600-1_zpsdxodvauh.jpg.html)
http://i1383.photobucket.com/albums/ah287/justin51/Mobile%20Uploads/stripesfinished2_zpsydezo58g.jpg (http://s1383.photobucket.com/user/justin51/media/Mobile%20Uploads/stripesfinished2_zpsydezo58g.jpg.html)
Also my C7Z w matte black stripes....same deal only dry applied...only hard part was the nose.
http://i1383.photobucket.com/albums/ah287/justin51/Mobile%20Uploads/20120107_084450_zps31wnf40e.jpg (http://s1383.photobucket.com/user/justin51/media/Mobile%20Uploads/20120107_084450_zps31wnf40e.jpg.html)
http://i1383.photobucket.com/albums/ah287/justin51/Mobile%20Uploads/newebay0161024x768_zpsml5jzghi.jpg (http://s1383.photobucket.com/user/justin51/media/Mobile%20Uploads/newebay0161024x768_zpsml5jzghi.jpg.html)
http://i1383.photobucket.com/albums/ah287/justin51/Mobile%20Uploads/3501024x768_zpsjgffkkzk.jpg (http://s1383.photobucket.com/user/justin51/media/Mobile%20Uploads/3501024x768_zpsjgffkkzk.jpg.html)

[Malu59RT]

Justin, wanna say that Gen II was back in 2009. At least I remember seeing it at TX2K that year or 2010, at Hennessy's place.

[triblk6spd]

Hahahaha ok sweet. Shit all blends in. So I probably did that back in 08 then. I loved that car!

[Malu59RT]

It got a ton of compliments back then!

[slowhatch]

Me reading this thread;

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-eO8o9_rI154/Tw4x1NQg0EI/AAAAAAAAAnk/QeUJsEsqgMg/s1600/gus-psyche-popcorn.gif

Please continue.

[FLATOUT]

I love watching triblk6spd own this dude. I always love it when some new guy shows up and starts a war with a guy that's been in the game for years LOL.


Me reading this thread;

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Please continue.

[BlknBlu]

here was my version of flat black stripes on my old 05 SRT Ram.

http://www.mopargarage.net/images/blacksrt10wb_019.jpg

Bruce

[IndyRon]

Ok Bruce, you have to explain the wheelie bars......what would it take to get a short box SRT Ram on it's rear wheels? I'm thinking over 1k rwhp. :)

[ViperSmith]

Ok Bruce, you have to explain the wheelie bars......what would it take to get a short box SRT Ram on it's rear wheels? I'm thinking over 1k rwhp. :)

Don't tell anyone, thats his rascal!

http://lib.store.yahoo.net/lib/used-electric-wheelchairs/used-mobility-scooter-rascal-300-600-red-1.jpg

[triblk6spd]

Thanks FLATOUT. :)
....and BlknBlu that SRT10 looks bad ass. Nice wide stripes. I was thinking matte silver stripes on my silver Ram SRT10. Of course I'll have to slather Primer 94 all over them so they stick. :) I kid...I kid. :)

[Zybane]

I love watching triblk6spd own this dude. I always love it when some new guy shows up and starts a war with a guy that's been in the game for years LOL.

Ya, because being unable to deny that racing stripes would be more durable with adhesion promoter is getting "owned". :smilielol: I guess renting a garage in Texas allows you to alter the laws of physics. 3M > random upstart install shop.

[TrackAire]

Ya, because being unable to deny that racing stripes would be more durable with adhesion promoter is getting "owned". :smilielol: I guess renting a garage in Texas allows you to alter the laws of physics. 3M > random upstart install shop.

Interesting topic of discussion. By your knowledge of the 3M product, it seems you are in the vinyl wrap business yourself. Maybe you can help clarify some questions I have regarding the 3M product.

If I was to do stripes on my Viper and used an authorized 3M installer (I would assume 3M only sells to authorized installers such as yourself) what is the warranty period for the product once you install it? Is the warranty valid only if the adhesion promoter is used? Does 3M recommend it or require it?

I've had 3 cars done in clear bra and have a bunch of friends that have done their vehicles also. What I've found is the success of a clear bra or wrap is usually 90% the person or installer putting it on the car. I would also think that 3M knows it has installers that don't do such a great job and customers call them back before the warranty period is up and complain about lifting edges, etc. Maybe the adhesion promoter helps 3M get their vinyl wrap material past the warranty period with much fewer warranty claims since maybe not all installers are really that talented???

Once the adhesion promoter is used and I want to remove the stripes, wrap, etc....will it cost me more because of the labor to remove the more stuck on vinyl and is there a chance that the adhesion promoter will possibly damage my paint under the wrap? Does 3M give any guarantee that the adhesion promoter will not damage the original paint? What if the stripe is removed after the 3M warranty period and there is paint damage, am I covered?

IMO vinyl wraps are a much more efficient way to go than painting stripes on, especially if you want to change the look of a car often or want it back to original condition.

[Zybane]

You don't have to be in the vinyl business to apply vinyl. But there is a learning curve so most people just have a shop do it. I've done quite a few panels on my vehicles, it just requires patience. Anyone can buy 3m Vinyl. People with vinyl businesses will of course say its impossible to do it yourself, to save their earnings. Same thing that happened with Plasti-dip, took a nice chunk out of the vinyl business. Although in my opinion of course vinyl is a superior product. All of your warranty questions can be found here:

http://multimedia.3m.com/mws/media/680101O/3mtm-wrap-film-series-1080.pdf?&fn=1080.pdf


As for vinyl racing stripes, yes of course by more "efficient" it's quicker and far cheaper than painted racing stripes. But the contrast of vinyl racing stripes on the factory paint also creates a unique look. My largest concern with putting racing stripes on my vehicle is it's more or less a permanent decision. That is based on the subtle change in the clear coat etc that will occur with the covered versus uncovered surface over the years. You could simply just re-apply more racing stripes if the vinyl has degraded.

Interestingly, the unnamed shop that has been discussed in this thread is not a 3M certified installer according to 3M's web site.

[plumcrazy]

....and because this is a stripe thread here are a few pics for comparison. These were my personal cars I did stripes on....kind of how I got into the matte black stripes theme in the 1st place.
My Roe ACR. These were wet applied which was cool because there wasn't any hard angles to cover especially as we left the NACA duct trim unwrapped. They came out super clean tho. This was back in 2008 maybe...
http://i1383.photobucket.com/albums/ah287/justin51/Mobile%20Uploads/019800x600-1_zpsdxodvauh.jpg (http://s1383.photobucket.com/user/justin51/media/Mobile%20Uploads/019800x600-1_zpsdxodvauh.jpg.html)
http://i1383.photobucket.com/albums/ah287/justin51/Mobile%20Uploads/stripesfinished2_zpsydezo58g.jpg (http://s1383.photobucket.com/user/justin51/media/Mobile%20Uploads/stripesfinished2_zpsydezo58g.jpg.html)
Also my C7Z w matte black stripes....same deal only dry applied...only hard part was the nose.
http://i1383.photobucket.com/albums/ah287/justin51/Mobile%20Uploads/20120107_084450_zps31wnf40e.jpg (http://s1383.photobucket.com/user/justin51/media/Mobile%20Uploads/20120107_084450_zps31wnf40e.jpg.html)
http://i1383.photobucket.com/albums/ah287/justin51/Mobile%20Uploads/newebay0161024x768_zpsml5jzghi.jpg (http://s1383.photobucket.com/user/justin51/media/Mobile%20Uploads/newebay0161024x768_zpsml5jzghi.jpg.html)
http://i1383.photobucket.com/albums/ah287/justin51/Mobile%20Uploads/3501024x768_zpsjgffkkzk.jpg (http://s1383.photobucket.com/user/justin51/media/Mobile%20Uploads/3501024x768_zpsjgffkkzk.jpg.html)


ive always been a big fan of your cars. been wanting to do a black/black car cause of you actually.

[BlknBlu]

Ok Bruce, you have to explain the wheelie bars......what would it take to get a short box SRT Ram on it's rear wheels? I'm thinking over 1k rwhp. :)

There were a bolt on and off item for car shows. Motor was bone stock. they did not serve a purpose. Not one of my brighter moments in mods.

Bruce

[Fatboy 18]

Personally I think those wheelie bars look great :)

[triblk6spd]

Thanks Plum. I appreciate that. I put a fair amount of thought into these hoping for a final product people like to look at.
Black on black is always fun. These two came out nice too oven though I didn't keep then very long. Both black w matte graphics / wrap .
http://i1383.photobucket.com/albums/ah287/justin51/Mobile%20Uploads/997may0121280x768_zpsrpulw0zx.jpg (http://s1383.photobucket.com/user/justin51/media/Mobile%20Uploads/997may0121280x768_zpsrpulw0zx.jpg.html)
http://i1383.photobucket.com/albums/ah287/justin51/Mobile%20Uploads/20130526_193534_zpsmiaodl3h.jpg (http://s1383.photobucket.com/user/justin51/media/Mobile%20Uploads/20130526_193534_zpsmiaodl3h.jpg.html)
http://i1383.photobucket.com/albums/ah287/justin51/Mobile%20Uploads/ato0401024x768_zpsusomhfri.jpg (http://s1383.photobucket.com/user/justin51/media/Mobile%20Uploads/ato0401024x768_zpsusomhfri.jpg.html)

[Ripper]

Need more pics of the P car... Love it!

[bluesrt]

8738 say what????

[TrackAire]

You don't have to be in the vinyl business to apply vinyl. But there is a learning curve so most people just have a shop do it. I've done quite a few panels on my vehicles, it just requires patience. Anyone can buy 3m Vinyl. People with vinyl businesses will of course say its impossible to do it yourself, to save their earnings. Same thing that happened with Plasti-dip, took a nice chunk out of the vinyl business. Although in my opinion of course vinyl is a superior product. All of your warranty questions can be found here:

http://multimedia.3m.com/mws/media/680101O/3mtm-wrap-film-series-1080.pdf?&fn=1080.pdf


As for vinyl racing stripes, yes of course by more "efficient" it's quicker and far cheaper than painted racing stripes. But the contrast of vinyl racing stripes on the factory paint also creates a unique look. My largest concern with putting racing stripes on my vehicle is it's more or less a permanent decision. That is based on the subtle change in the clear coat etc that will occur with the covered versus uncovered surface over the years. You could simply just re-apply more racing stripes if the vinyl has degraded.

Interestingly, the unnamed shop that has been discussed in this thread is not a 3M certified installer according to 3M's web site.


My big concern and question from before was can seam sealer cause issues upon removal of the vinyl or cause paint damage. You've not answered that but sent me a link that is helpful. It also help me find this link:

http://multimedia.3m.com/mws/media/746755O/edge-sealer-3950-instruction-bulletin.pdf

Apparently the 3950 seam adhesive has purpose in extreme vinyl applications such as when applying "specific vinyls" to aircraft or watercraft. I'm not sure if the vinyls that are being used as stripes in automotive applications fall under that heading. 3950 seam sealer is required for "some" 3M vinyls to be covered under warranty. I had no idea that there were so any different type of vinyls available for different applications, etc. Very educational link.

Per the above 3M 3950 bulletin:

"The solvent in the edge sealer may attack certain painted surfaces; always test in an
inconspicuous area before using."

So unless I'm driving my Viper along at 350 mph in a rain storm or decide to turn my Viper into a submarine, I'm not sure the unknown long term effects of seam sealer on my paint is worth it to me. A few 3M vinyls require it....but most don't. 3M covers their ass by stating that the solvents can damage my paint but will not cover removal of product under the warranty if is does damage my paint.

At this point, I'd still have to fall back on my installer and their ability to cover the product and or workmanship down the line. I get the fact that you don't need to be an expert or "shop" to install vinyl, but in 30 seconds of google searches about the 3M seam sealer, there are a lot of specifics that a person not in the business may never know except to find out when the results go sideways. I'd rather have a reputable shop stand behind their work and product than expect 3M to respond to an issue 37 months after the vinyl was applied.

Again, thanks for the link, it helped explain some of the warranty on the film itself, exclusion to warranty coverage (dozens) and life expectancy of the film.

[Zybane]

8738 say what????

Very nice. Would be hard to choose between that style of stripe and the normal full length.


My big concern and question from before was can seam sealer cause issues upon removal of the vinyl or cause paint damage. You've not answered that but sent me a link that is helpful. It also help me find this link:

http://multimedia.3m.com/mws/media/746755O/edge-sealer-3950-instruction-bulletin.pdf

Apparently the 3950 seam adhesive has purpose in extreme vinyl applications such as when applying "specific vinyls" to aircraft or watercraft. I'm not sure if the vinyls that are being used as stripes in automotive applications fall under that heading. 3950 seam sealer is required for "some" 3M vinyls to be covered under warranty. I had no idea that there were so any different type of vinyls available for different applications, etc. Very educational link.

Per the above 3M 3950 bulletin:

"The solvent in the edge sealer may attack certain painted surfaces; always test in an
inconspicuous area before using."

So unless I'm driving my Viper along at 350 mph in a rain storm or decide to turn my Viper into a submarine, I'm not sure the unknown long term effects of seam sealer on my paint is worth it to me. A few 3M vinyls require it....but most don't. 3M covers their ass by stating that the solvents can damage my paint but will not cover removal of product under the warranty if is does damage my paint.

At this point, I'd still have to fall back on my installer and their ability to cover the product and or workmanship down the line. I get the fact that you don't need to be an expert or "shop" to install vinyl, but in 30 seconds of google searches about the 3M seam sealer, there are a lot of specifics that a person not in the business may never know except to find out when the results go sideways. I'd rather have a reputable shop stand behind their work and product than expect 3M to respond to an issue 37 months after the vinyl was applied.

Again, thanks for the link, it helped explain some of the warranty on the film itself, exclusion to warranty coverage (dozens) and life expectancy of the film.

You aren't going to want to use edge sealer on racing stripes. Edge sealer is visible. I would personally stick to Primer 94 referenced in the original 3M doc I linked for 3M 1080 film. According to 3M, even with Primer 94 there should be no paint damage to properly applied and cured paint when removing the vinyl.

[serpent]

These, imo look better than the standard two racing stripes.
http://driveviper.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=8738&d=1423330677

Seems a lot of cars have the standard two stripes these days (gt500, ford gt, challenger) these stand out a bit more.

[triblk6spd]

My big concern and question from before was can seam sealer cause issues upon removal of the vinyl or cause paint damage. You've not answered that but sent me a link that is helpful. It also help me find this link:

http://multimedia.3m.com/mws/media/746755O/edge-sealer-3950-instruction-bulletin.pdf

Apparently the 3950 seam adhesive has purpose in extreme vinyl applications such as when applying "specific vinyls" to aircraft or watercraft. I'm not sure if the vinyls that are being used as stripes in automotive applications fall under that heading. 3950 seam sealer is required for "some" 3M vinyls to be covered under warranty. I had no idea that there were so any different type of vinyls available for different applications, etc. Very educational link.

Per the above 3M 3950 bulletin:

"The solvent in the edge sealer may attack certain painted surfaces; always test in an
inconspicuous area before using."

So unless I'm driving my Viper along at 350 mph in a rain storm or decide to turn my Viper into a submarine, I'm not sure the unknown long term effects of seam sealer on my paint is worth it to me. A few 3M vinyls require it....but most don't. 3M covers their ass by stating that the solvents can damage my paint but will not cover removal of product under the warranty if is does damage my paint.

At this point, I'd still have to fall back on my installer and their ability to cover the product and or workmanship down the line. I get the fact that you don't need to be an expert or "shop" to install vinyl, but in 30 seconds of google searches about the 3M seam sealer, there are a lot of specifics that a person not in the business may never know except to find out when the results go sideways. I'd rather have a reputable shop stand behind their work and product than expect 3M to respond to an issue 37 months after the vinyl was applied.

Again, thanks for the link, it helped explain some of the warranty on the film itself, exclusion to warranty coverage (dozens) and life expectancy of the film.
Hey there....edge sealer and primer are two different things. I'm not gonna be long winded here but trust me...there is absolutely zero need for any type of adhesion promoter on a simple application such as racing stripes. Adhesion promoter (3M Primer 94 in this case) is really only used in high tension areas such as really deep recessed areas and areas with close to a 90deg curve. 99\100 standard issue racing stripes are installed over the flattest parts of the car and there is NO need whatsoever for a promoter.
On top of this, really very simple concept...primer is a HUGE pain to remove...it's sticky, nasty, and just plain HARD to remove. No installer ever wants to have to deal with a primer uninstall...the chemicals alone will make you sick.
I know Zybane has his opinion on this subject and who knows, in his infinite wisdom actually "wrapping a few panels" maybe he learned something we...who do this everyday...havnt learned yet, but if you find an installer for your stripe package and they pull out a can of primer...please find another installer.
Just to stay *kinda on topic with the matte black thing here are some crappy cell shots of a matte black project we did this am before a local car meet.
http://i1383.photobucket.com/albums/ah287/justin51/Mobile%20Uploads/2015-02/20150207_111244_zpswivvnqvz.jpg (http://s1383.photobucket.com/user/justin51/media/Mobile%20Uploads/2015-02/20150207_111244_zpswivvnqvz.jpg.html)
http://i1383.photobucket.com/albums/ah287/justin51/Mobile%20Uploads/2015-02/20150207_103504_zpsrowk92bv.jpg (http://s1383.photobucket.com/user/justin51/media/Mobile%20Uploads/2015-02/20150207_103504_zpsrowk92bv.jpg.html)

Also I agree...I really like those matte stripes that terminate nicely at the front of the hood. Good call!

...and because someone asked...couple random pics of my EVT775 997TT on 20"ADV.1's. We wrapped the hood in 3M Matte and did some "Porsche" type graphics in matte as well. Antonio Calvo of Calvo Motorsports bought this from me and tore it down to start a 1000whp project. :(
http://i1383.photobucket.com/albums/ah287/justin51/Mobile%20Uploads/2015-02/attachment-2_zpsyzvx3boy.jpeg (http://s1383.photobucket.com/user/justin51/media/Mobile%20Uploads/2015-02/attachment-2_zpsyzvx3boy.jpeg.html)
http://i1383.photobucket.com/albums/ah287/justin51/Mobile%20Uploads/2015-02/attachment-5_zpsudikswfn.jpeg (http://s1383.photobucket.com/user/justin51/media/Mobile%20Uploads/2015-02/attachment-5_zpsudikswfn.jpeg.html)
http://i1383.photobucket.com/albums/ah287/justin51/Mobile%20Uploads/2015-02/attachment-3_zpseyhdpbul.jpeg (http://s1383.photobucket.com/user/justin51/media/Mobile%20Uploads/2015-02/attachment-3_zpseyhdpbul.jpeg.html)

[Fatboy 18]

These, imo look better than the standard two racing stripes.
http://driveviper.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=8738&d=1423330677

Seems a lot of cars have the standard two stripes these days (gt500, ford gt, challenger) these stand out a bit more.Yes they do stand out more but for the wrong reasons IMO, I prefer the straight line stripes. That's my favorite hood though :)

[Boba Fett]

looks phecking great!!!

[DEADEYE]

I remember doing mine on my own. It was a PITA!!! They're still on there to this day. If I had to do it again, I'd have it done professionaly. Gotta love time stamped pics lol

http://i1383.photobucket.com/albums/ah298/Tyrone_Barthelemy/Mobile%20Uploads/8648Black_on_black_020_web_zpsaqvvqrgl.jpg (http://s1383.photobucket.com/user/Tyrone_Barthelemy/media/Mobile%20Uploads/8648Black_on_black_020_web_zpsaqvvqrgl.jpg.html)
http://i1383.photobucket.com/albums/ah298/Tyrone_Barthelemy/Mobile%20Uploads/8648Black_on_black_025_web_zpsjr0cz6mu.jpg (http://s1383.photobucket.com/user/Tyrone_Barthelemy/media/Mobile%20Uploads/8648Black_on_black_025_web_zpsjr0cz6mu.jpg.html)


That gen 5 is just sweeeeeeet!!!!!!

[gerch85]

8744

[triblk6spd]

DEADEYE....holy shit I remember that! Your car was the inspiration for mine back then. :)

[Vipes]

Don't even think about trying this at home kids....there's an artistic knack to it and you don't have it.
Just take the money you'd spend on the materials and throw it away now, saves time.

Who are you talking to? There a couple vinyl pros that post on here and probably no kids on this forum.