ViperExchange Exclusive Performance Products for Gen V Vipers

[Tomball-Dodge]

ViperExchange in conjunction with our race program announces new and long awaited products for the Gen V Vipers. Several of our packages will be sold through ViperExchange. For more information please stay tuned for release dates. Congratulations to all of our driver's, team and crew, Riley Technologies, TI Automtive for the win at The Rolex 24 Hour Race.

Off Road Race Controllers $1100.00, Dyno for Controllers, ViperExchange Heads and Cam Packages. The controllers will be here next week.

Heads And Cam Horsepower (Dyno Graph Picture Below)
Release Date To Be Announced:

Estimated 733 BHP

Features:

• Custom Calibration for VENOM 2 controller
• ARH headers and high flow exhaust
• Fixed Cam with Increased Lift & Duration
• Increased Performance Cylinder Heads

Package #2 – Fixed Camshaft / Cylinder Head
Package developed in conjunction with Viper
Exchange. Package will be available
through ViperExchange Soon

• Increased Intake Valve Size
• Performance Valve Springs
• Performance Lifters
• Performance Pushrods

Package #3

“Sledgehammer” (Supercharger Pictured Below)

Available as a Package Only Thru ViperExchange

Output estimated 900 BHP @ 6 psi boost
Available 2016

• VENOM 2 controller
• ARH headers and high flow exhaust
• Twin Screw 4.3L Supercharger
• High Flow Fuel System
• Modified Front Cover for FEAD
• Front Pulleys and idler system
• Modified Cross Car Beam
• LTR and pump system
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[Tomball-Dodge]

Attached the dyno sheet and pictures of the supercharger soon to be released....stay tuned for dates and pricing.

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[Shooter]

Wow. 900 HP!!! That outa keep the S/C crowd happy. Great selection of mods for the Gen V

[FLATOUT]

Oh fuck yeah pardon my excellent French!

[FLATOUT]

Bernie calling you tomorrow about "drag'em all blower package!"

[Murpowa]

Damn today is a good day!

[FastMatt]

please dear god tell me that supercharger will bolt on to a gen 4!

[mjorgensen]

Yes...


please dear god tell me that supercharger will bolt on to a gen 4!

[J TNT]

That is Freakin awesome !
Funny it was Hinted 2 years ago and they Nay Sayers said "It ain't goin to Happen !!!" .....lol ! ;)

[sambo32]

I think the value of my Gen V just went up, this is great news.

[outnumbered]

So does this mean that the supercharger will come on the 2016???

[ViperTony]

Somehow I told you so just doesn't do this proper justice. ;)

[V10powerr]

First of all I think this is great news and about time. As far as the value I don't think so and in fact IF the reason this will be released in 2016 is that there may be a factory version of this, prices may actually get hurt. Don't mean to be negative but think about it, if there is a factory sc with warranty that would be the best of all worlds

[FSTENUF]

Where ever the line is forming for the S/C. Put me down for one please!!!!!! Yes now we are talking all kinds of freaking fun!!!!!

[HANKFAN]

I have always said as soon as a supercharger kit was released for the Gen V Viper I would buy one. Dodge just sold another Viper!

[Murpowa]

All I keep thinking about is the look on an unknowing vette owners face when the supercharged Viper disappears into the next millennium

[mjorgensen]

No, won't be a factory offering.


So does this mean that the supercharger will come on the 2016???

[J TNT]

Still a Great Option for Gen 3,4,5 Guys and has to be great for sales and options !!!! ;)

[Simms]

Fantastic!

[Simms]

What's the scoop on the different coil covers for the SC package? Anything Arrow will offer independently?

[hova00]

This is great news!

Whats the pricing on these different packages?

[viper04]

WOW!!! nice, thats all I can say.

[Viper Specialty]

As soon as Arrow was given the controller code for the Gen-4/5 cars, the writing was on the wall for this one. Not surprised over here.

That said, I would be curious to get my hands on one of these, as well as HPT, and see if the application can even be emulated without the Arrow coded V2 module. That may be the stumbling block here- great option, but not fully realized and stonewalled for further tweaking. Most guys will be fine with ~900... but we all know how long that lasts!

[PaulP]

WTF!!! Great job Arrow!!

[cashcorn]

SLEDGEHAMMER!!:drive:

[HANKFAN]

Can the heads and cam package also be combined with the supercharger package?

[Tomball-Dodge]

I am sure there are lots of questions, and answers for some are available and others will have to be curtailed until we are further along. Pricing and Availability is not out yet for the blowers, The controllers were needed to be released first.The controllers will be available next week and will sell for $1100.00, then we will begin installing the H/C packages.

The Supercharger will be released in 2016 when all of the Development work has been completed. The Supercharger is not a factory offering and ViperExchange has been working with Arrow exclusively to offer this to the general public and to sell to other dealers.

With the announcement of the controllers we were able to show off all products forthcoming! Definitively very exciting times for our Vipers.

[Dman]

Boy, did I pick the perfect time to pull the trigger on my move from my gen4 to a gen5. Just got my SRT Mail package and all this news dropping, so amazing. Long live, and rule, the Viper.

[Carbon GTS]

You Sir have a blower sold the minute i becomes available!
Would like to see how the heads and cam match up the the BBG set up.

[Redx]

You mentioned that the supercharger will fit a gen iv, will arrow be offering a PCM for the gen iv's as well? or do we have to rely on HPT?

[KB Viper]

viper just went next level

[Coloviper]

Awesome stuff! If the car leaves Detroit with the blower on, is emissions legal, and has full warranty, like from factory Dodge then this is as good as from Dodge direct. This is what I have been after. I might just have some extra money by then. Wow!

[1.8t]

Excited to see all of these power options coming forth, but I fear they will be priced out of reach for most of us. Fingers crossed

[Crotalidae]

Great news!!!

[Sainthitch]

just to make sure i dont have to buy things twice, if i get the PCM unit next week....and then when the SC becomes available, will i have to buy another PCM? or will it be part of the SC kit upgrade?

[CERVEZA]

Very exciting news!!!!!!

[Rapidrezults]

This is amazing news. Now i regret buying the extended warranty. Looks like mods are going in sooner than expected!

[dcvickers]

just to make sure i dont have to buy things twice, if i get the PCM unit next week....and then when the SC becomes available, will i have to buy another PCM? or will it be part of the SC kit upgrade?

I'm curious about this as well as I planned on picking up the PCM and the ARH headers this year.

[mjorgensen]

You will send the pcm back for the S/C flash.


just to make sure i dont have to buy things twice, if i get the PCM unit next week....and then when the SC becomes available, will i have to buy another PCM? or will it be part of the SC kit upgrade?

[financialman]

Awesome, just awesome!

[Coloviper]

Is that a composite housing on that Blower?

[Junkie]

Fuck me this is awesome news. I'm still leaning towards heads/cam/spray so I can turn it off. But that blower sure is tempting

[IndyRon]

Starting the shopping for a used track-pack car now. Anyone have one for sale in Stryker Green? I need me some forced induction.

[Zybane]

Oh wow, 900HP S/C kit? Time for me to start saving me' pennies.

Few basic questions:

1. With that power level, will the bottom end need stronger components?

2. Obviously a new clutch would be needed, what about the transmission itself, any beefing up required?

[ACRucrazy]

In for more info on the S/C

[Reaper]

Awesome info! Im still impressed with the stock power level however, I would be really interested in the new PCM and ARH headers to hold me for a while at least. Just in time for tax refund time lol

[05Commemorative]

For those all excited about the S/C aftermarket option, is it fair to assume none of you plan to take to a road course?

[BAD BOYZZ GARAGE]

Kick ass news, can't wait to install one of Arrow's / Viper Exchange Super Chargers on our platform. This is perfect for the Viper brand and will make the Horsepower Gods real happy!

Great collaboration guys!
Bad Boyzz Garage
Toddy

[Lawrenzo]

Arrow- for the win!

[pony23]

That is awesome news. Get a few of these on the streets whooping some seriouse butt. I think the part about having trouble modifying a Viper is about over. That should bring up the sales.

[CSXT802]

900 + horse power on only 6 psi. ........that 4.3 L blower isn't working very hard to make that. I wonder how far it can go.......with some meth/ h20. ...

[Nine Ball]

Finally! It was hard not discussing this stuff, haha.

I did an article on it, so it makes it easier to share with non-forum viewers. Share away :)

http://nineballgarage.com/2015/01/900-hp-supercharged-viper-system/

Tony

[sammyv]

Exciting!!!

[DPViper]

Great news....

[J TNT]

Thanks for the link Tony ! So much to look forward too !!! ;)

[v10tt]

What is going to be the cost of the SC packaged installed?

[v10enomous]

Is there some way we can spread out all of this recent great news and savor it a little...:) Just Kidding... Bring it...

[ViperSmith]

lol @ c7z 650hp with a blower

[ViperTony]

lol @ c7z 650hp with a blower

LOL @ ViperSmith

[Dusty1]

Wow finally a cam and heads all in package that allows us Gen IV track rats a opportunity to really take the next performance step. These are going to be next level, hope this doesn't compromise the rock solid reliability of the car. The ACR platform is really a performance beast as it is, guess I better keep working on my skills!!!

Richard

[EZ 2B Green]

lol @ c7z 650hp with a blower

Before we get too giddy, since the Viper Supercharger is based on an "off road" ECU and it's an aftermarket unit, my guess is that it is not street legal in much of the country. :( I sure hope that I am wrong!

[commandomatt]

For those all excited about the S/C aftermarket option, is it fair to assume none of you plan to take to a road course?

How many Viper owners do you think actually take their cars to the track ? I would wager that its a fairly low percentage overall. Besides, if someone is that serious about tracking, there is always the Head/cam option

This is awesome news any way you look at it

[Dusty1]

All the options are to address different markets. The ACR is without a doubt a purpose built track car, however the other models are flexible enough to be utilized in different roles. I am glad these steps will benefit all. Will be fun to see how they work out!

Richard

[Dman]

What is going to be the cost of the SC packaged installed?


This is a good news thread, don't ask questions that may make us cringe. J/K, but seriously. lol

[Tiago]

only in 2016? ... speed it up...

[Carbon GTS]

lol @ c7z 650hp with a blower

Exactly what I thought!

[BlknBlu]

any isues with hood clearance?

Congrats on the next generation of performance mods. This will re-invigerate Viper and Viper sales once again. Looks like a great future for our cars.

Bruce

[IndyRon]

For those all excited about the S/C aftermarket option, is it fair to assume none of you plan to take to a road course?

I have an ACR for that. I want power. We've been stuck at a bolt-on 600rwhp for far too long.

[viper04]

any isues with hood clearance?


Bruce

Bruce
I don't think so because from the pictures it sit right under the X brace

http://nineballgarage.com/2015/01/900-hp-supercharged-viper-system/

[FLATOUT]

Yes it does fit under the X brace, and yes I will do this to my TA, because I like all kinds of track events including roll racing, drag racing, and 1/2 mile events. I can finally have something that will be almost competitive lol.

[ViperTony]

How do we get on the order list for the Sledge Hammer package? Please take my money.

[Crotalidae]

How do we get on the order list for the Sledge Hammer package? Please take my money.

With you on this one just hope the cost is not outrageous...

[FLATOUT]

With you on this one just hope the cost is not outrageous...

Exactly that would kill a lot of buzz that this car/platform has needed for a long time. I think this is one of the few times that a package would actually help sell a car.

[Resident Alien]

I have a question in connection with these new performance packages: where can I buy some equity shares of Tomboll-Dodge VE?

[Bruce H.]

I have a question in connection with these new performance packages: where can I buy some equity shares of Tomboll-Dodge VE?

And Prefix who now owns Arrow Racing and likely makes it all.

[v10enomous]

..and I was hoping for an Eco Boost V6:lol2:

[1.8t]

I think we all agree that pricing will be key to the success of these packages. Really hoping they aren't too unrealistic.

[FLATOUT]

I think we all agree that pricing will be key to the success of these packages. Really hoping they aren't too unrealistic.

Agree, especially for a group that has waited so long for something like this to come to the market.

[mblgjr]

The supercharger kit will be up there.

[FLATOUT]

The supercharger kit will be up there.

What's your definition of "up there"? Just curious as to what people think it might run.

[Steve M]

What's your definition of "up there"? Just curious as to what people think it might run.

$15k-$20k installed would be my guess.

[Nambo]

Agree, especially for a group that has waited so long for something like this to come to the market.

Andy,

Is there a work around for the emissions issue here in Texas?

JD

[Bmw2nv2000]

Seriously guys what are some of the guesses on pricing? I'll bet the kit developers are waiting to hear these responses before releasing final pricing.
Of course I have no clue but Id guess very close to $20k for bolt on kit(not counting internal upgrades) for the first 2 years(then after investors recoup their crazy high R&D investment back the kit will start dropping in price). But Im just a broke gen 3 owner so No dog in this race. =)

[TrackAire]

What's your definition of "up there"? Just curious as to what people think it might run.

Just a guess, but supercharger with tuning package will come in at $14,995.00

Heads, cam, headers, etc will be extra.

Don't have any idea what they will charge to install the supercharger just by itself...maybe $4K??

[mblgjr]

I was trying not to speculate at this point but I expect $15k

[Bmw2nv2000]

Ha I was typing a thread response while you posted your guess. My guess $15k-$20K for kit price uninstalled.



$15k-$20k installed would be my guess.

[mblgjr]

Well we're all on the same page with that. Haha

[MtnBiker]

In for more info on the S/C

Hey Chris, this is why the forged internals will be good for Dave! :)

[ViperTony]

What's your definition of "up there"? Just curious as to what people think it might run.

Based on these parts my guesses on prices:

• VENOM 2 controller ($1,100)
• ARH headers and high flow exhaust ($3,000)
• Twin Screw 4.3L Supercharger ($7,000)
• High Flow Fuel System ($1,500)
• Modified Front Cover for FEAD ($500)
• Front Pulleys and idler system ($750)
• Modified Cross Car Beam ($750)
• LTR and pump system ($1,000)

$15K for parts, $20K installed plus tuning.

[steve911]

I wonder if the availalbility of these parts is going to be limited to the 3 dealers that are now authorized to sell the Gen V PCM....

Tomball
Roanoke
Woodhouse

[mblgjr]

I would say definitely only Tomball and Woodhouse in the beginning for the HCI/Supercharger setups.

[Resident Alien]

The PCM reflash tuning should be a huge cost reduction, as well as a significant confidence booster (basically an OEM upgrade).

[cashcorn]

I want to use my voucher for this!!

[1.8t]

I agree with everyone else and am afraid the blower will be ~$20k

[Resident Alien]

I agree with everyone else and am afraid the blower will be ~$20k

Which would make a brand new 900 hp 9-second sexy-looking car (with hopefully OEM reliability) come in around $105k - 110k. This will pull some serious attention away from other high performance brands.

[mblgjr]

I want to use my voucher for this!!

yea no kidding!!

[ACRucrazy]

Gen 3 blower kits were $10k.
Gen 3 to Gen 4 head/computer/intake kits were $10k or less

This kit? I sure as hell hope its less than $20k some are guessing.


My guess (hope) is under $15k for the parts (no labor)

What I really want to know is can you do the heads/cam and the blower? Sledgehammer 1000? LOL

[mjorgensen]

Based on these parts my guesses on prices:

• VENOM 2 controller ($1,100)
• ARH headers and high flow exhaust ($3,000)
• Twin Screw 4.3L Supercharger ($7,000)
• High Flow Fuel System ($1,500)
• Modified Front Cover for FEAD ($500)
• Front Pulleys and idler system ($750)
• Modified Cross Car Beam ($750)
• LTR and pump system ($1,000)

$15K for parts, $20K installed plus tuning.

Those are probably real world parts prices, but that does not include any payback for the huge R&D cost this took to pull off. Now if this was a Vette package with 20,000 buyers then yeah I could see that, but these guys did all this for a miniscule customer base if it comes in that cheap we will all owe them endless food and drink... forever...

[mjorgensen]

I would say definitely only Tomball and Woodhouse in the beginning for the HCI/Supercharger setups.

We definitely will be able to help with these packages on new or existing vehicles and are grateful to be included in this exclusive group. We have an excellent relationship with all party's and know from our relationships that we can count on each other to do our very best for the Viper community.

[TrackAire]

Lets hope the boys at Callaway don't have an issue with the name "Sledgehammer"......

http://www.foxnews.com/leisure/2013/12/20/254-mph-188-twin-turbo-callaway-corvette-sledghammer-to-hit-auction-block/

[ViperTony]

Those are probably real world parts prices, but that does not include any payback for the huge R&D cost this took to pull off. Now if this was a Vette package with 20,000 buyers then yeah I could see that, but these guys did all this for a miniscule customer base if it comes in that cheap we will all owe them endless food and drink... forever...

Agreed. I didn't factor in R&D costs so I'd say $20k~ish parts to help recoup R&D costs.

[v10tt]

based on these parts my guesses on prices:

• venom 2 controller ($1,100)
• arh headers and high flow exhaust ($3,000)
• twin screw 4.3l supercharger ($7,000)
• high flow fuel system ($1,500)
• modified front cover for fead ($500)
• front pulleys and idler system ($750)
• modified cross car beam ($750)
• ltr and pump system ($1,000)

$15k for parts, $20k installed plus tuning.

don't forget a clutch!!

[Murpowa]

Those are probably real world parts prices, but that does not include any payback for the huge R&D cost this took to pull off. Now if this was a Vette package with 20,000 buyers then yeah I could see that, but these guys did all this for a miniscule customer base if it comes in that cheap we will all owe them endless food and drink... forever...

True Mark, but they knew this was a small, niche group going into the venture. If they expect $25K+ to help with R&D costs, I can't say this will really be a hot seller.

[Lokien]

WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

As long as no obscene costs in upgrading the transmission / clutch to cope with the SC, count me in for the first batch.

[v10tt]

What do you guys think it should put a the tires considering the losses to drive the blower?

[Voice of Reason]

Another thing on cost - if a 'real world' priced supercharger package helps sell cars and keeps production alive that's a benefit to Prefix/Arrow, Woodhouse, and Dodge. I don't think we're asking for subsidized prices below the norm, but eating a little R/D to keep your core businesses afloat is a smart business move.

My real world $0.02

[Murpowa]

Another thing on cost - if a 'real world' priced supercharger package helps sell cars and keeps production alive that's a benefit to Prefix/Arrow, Woodhouse, and Dodge. I don't think we're asking for subsidized prices below the norm, but eating a little R/D to keep your core businesses afloat is a smart business move.

My real world $0.02

exactly my thoughts

[Coloviper]

They can normalize the costs of this beast onto BSNF and other railroad companies to help increase the power of the Locomotives. You see the size of that sucker! (kidding)

Now if they also make older blower adaptor housings to allow the other gens back to GEN I to use it, then you have 25,000 potential clients and that would be smart. That would be awesome and I would definitely pony up one for my old 96' RT/10 girl. Still want one on a new GEN V so hopefully in a few years for that.

Anyone know if they want to offer a variant for the real old GENs?

[GuitarSteve2112]

While all this is exciting, and believe me I'm excited to read and see it all.....I think you guys could have thought of a better name.

Sledgehammer was the name of a Callaway tuned Turdvette.

Looking forward to exhaust clips and pics!

[commandomatt]

The R&D has to be amortized over years. Hopefully the guys that created this knew that ahead of time. If the quality is there and if they make a kit available for the GenIV as well, then this will be the 'go to package' for years to come, like the Paxton for Gen III, and those that invested time and money can expect to get a return.

If they try to recover to much, to fast, then they will price the kit out of the market and wont get much back period.

Hopefully they dont make the same mistake SRT did when initially pricing the Gen V

Price it right....get the ball rolling and the volume up, then everyone wins !!!

[FastMatt]

True Mark, but they knew this was a small, niche group going into the venture. If they expect $25K+ to help with R&D costs, I can't say this will really be a hot seller.

If it's in the $15K-20K range I think It will be a seller, $25K+ it will sell but not very many, it will just be hard to justify paying 3 times what a PD blower pkg for any other american car would cost. They will sell 3 times as many at least at $15K then they will at $25K+ IMO. I am sure Paxton made a killing on there gen 3 Viper kits at 9K there are sooo many of them out there. If it was $20K they would have lost there ass because they would have hardly sold any.

[Zybane]

I wish we could just buy the parts and install it ourselves. Save ~$5K in labor and I would know it was done right. Not saying the dealer wouldn't do it right, but I KNOW it's done right when I do it. Plus shipping the car across country etc...

I guess we should talk clutch options for this bad boy too.

[Simms]

Any chance these packages can be purchased but installed by the owner?

[FLATOUT]

I wish we could just buy the parts and install it ourselves. Save ~$5K in labor and I would know it was done right. Not saying the dealer wouldn't do it right, but I KNOW it's done right when I do it. Plus shipping the car across country etc...

I guess we should talk clutch options for this bad boy too.

I am also a major fan of installing my own parts.

[IndyRon]

I'd want just the complete supercharger and fuel system upgrade only and I would do my own install. My hope is that just the blower/fuel sys. will be around $12k or less

[FLATOUT]

I'd want just the complete supercharger and fuel system upgrade only and I would do my own install. My hope is that just the blower/fuel sys. will be around $12k or less

That would be awesome, but we would have to run their ECU tune as well so factor that in also.

[Jack B]

Very few dealer have ever installed a cam - just a guess.



I wish we could just buy the parts and install it ourselves. Save ~$5K in labor and I would know it was done right. Not saying the dealer wouldn't do it right, but I KNOW it's done right when I do it. Plus shipping the car across country etc...

I guess we should talk clutch options for this bad boy too.

[Shooter]

exactly my thoughts

Do you have a Gen IV or V Viper?

[J TNT]

I also prefer doing my own installs . :)

[IndyRon]

That would be awesome, but we would have to run their ECU tune as well so factor that in also.

I wouldn't. I'd rather do my own dyno tuning via HP tuners since I'd likely be swapping pulleys, etc. So, including the tune software, 13k or less.

[BlknBlu]

How is an additional 150 to 200 more HP going to affect the rest of the car on sprited events, such as brakes, suspension, transmission, rearend, frame. I am sure our cars were not designed to handle 900 HP without any failures to other parts of the car for long term use.

Not trying to drag these items down cause they are the right thing to do to help the brand flourish, but i look down the road from folks who bolt on these items and expect factory backed results from the rest of the car when updating the engine alone.

Bruce

[ViperSmith]

How is an additional 150 to 200 more HP going to affect the rest of the car on sprited events, such as brakes, suspension, transmission, rearend, frame. I am sure ou rcars were not designed to handle 900 HP without any failures to other parts of the car for long term use.

Not trying to drag these items down cause they are the right thing to do to help the brand flourish, but i look down the road from folks who bolt on these items and expect factory backed results from the rest of the car when updating the engine alone.

Bruce

More to the point, does Arrow offer a warranty covering the engine?

[The_Greg]

While all this is exciting, and believe me I'm excited to read and see it all.....I think you guys could have thought of a better name.

Sledgehammer was the name of a Callaway tuned Turdvette.

Looking forward to exhaust clips and pics!

Yeah, perhaps they could have resurrected the tomahawk name.

[FLATOUT]

I wouldn't. I'd rather do my own dyno tuning via HP tuners since I'd likely be swapping pulleys, etc. So, including the tune software, 13k or less.

I guess what I should have said is that they (Tomball) won't sell the parts that way, it will be with their Mopar Controller or nothing. My guess is two different mod avenues with these cars will emerge going forward. One route is people tht buy a car from Tomball with these upgrades installed or having them added to your exsisting Gen V at a "franchised" distributor such as Tomball or Woodhouse. And the second route is other shops create their own heads and cam, and blower packages that will be sold seperatly and can be tuned via HP Tuners.

I would suspect that you will have to use a third party head porter and cam setup if you want to tune with HP Tuners. Or a third party blower to take advantage of the third party software.

[J TNT]

I like to call it "The HELLSNAKE" !!! ;)

While all this is exciting, and believe me I'm excited to read and see it all.....I think you guys could have thought of a better name.

Sledgehammer was the name of a Callaway tuned Turdvette.

Looking forward to exhaust clips and pics!

[GuitarSteve2112]

I like that! Or how about "Toxic Venom?"

I like to call it "The HELLSNAKE" !!! ;)

[Viktimize]

What do you guys think it should put a the tires considering the losses to drive the blower?

If it is already estimated at 900bhp then the blower losses have already been accounted for. So 900 - 15% drivetrain loss = 765rwhp

[Viktimize]

For those all excited about the S/C aftermarket option, is it fair to assume none of you plan to take to a road course?

I wouldn't avoid a track event, but what does having a S/C have to do with whether you track your car or not? If there is no heat issues then it is just extra power.

[J TNT]

3000 views in 1 day , now that's strong interest ! :)

[Steve M]

I wouldn't avoid a track event, but what does having a S/C have to do with whether you track your car or not? If there is no heat issues then it is just extra power.

More power = more heat. No such thing as extra power without drawbacks.

[Blue T/A 2.0]

I am thinking controller and ARH headers and leaving the stock cats and exhaust. Wondering if it would be worth it from a horsepower and torque increase as well as price.

[slitherv10]

How is an additional 150 to 200 more HP going to affect the rest of the car on sprited events, such as brakes, suspension, transmission, rearend, frame. I am sure ou rcars were not designed to handle 900 HP without any failures to other parts of the car for long term use.

Not trying to drag these items down cause they are the right thing to do to help the brand flourish, but i look down the road from folks who bolt on these items and expect factory backed results from the rest of the car when updating the engine alone.

Bruce


This ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

[Steve M]

I am thinking controller and ARH headers and leaving the stock cats and exhaust. Wondering if it would be worth it from a horsepower and torque increase as well as price.

The stock cats will not work with headers...you can still run cats, but it won't be the factory configuration.

[ViperTony]

How is an additional 150 to 200 more HP going to affect the rest of the car on sprited events, such as brakes, suspension, transmission, rearend, frame. I am sure ou rcars were not designed to handle 900 HP without any failures to other parts of the car for long term use.

Not trying to drag these items down cause they are the right thing to do to help the brand flourish, but i look down the road from folks who bolt on these items and expect factory backed results from the rest of the car when updating the engine alone.

Bruce

Since this is not a factory-backed setup I don't expect factory-backed results from the rest of my GenV. I also didn't expect factory-backed results from my GenII when I did that build either. But then again I'm more a realist. Unless I missed something then it's obvious the Sledge Hammer is not coming from the factory. This upgrade isn't going to be for everyone. I suspect that there will be a warranty on the SuperCharger components and perhaps the PCM but that's it. Kiss the GenV factory warranty good bye. I'm OK with that others may not be.

It's going to happen, no matter how well documented and published that this is a non-factory upgrade someone is going to blow their engine, break their transmission of diff or kill themselves and blame Dodge. This is nothing new to the GenV when it comes to the aftermarket.

Because Arrow is involved I have less concerns about the GenV holding up to the published power-level on this kit. It's going to the ones that find a way to push past 900 or so that are destined to cause something to fail sooner rather than later.

[SilveRT8]

OK, My voucher + 5K, do we have a deal ?

[XSnake]

How is an additional 150 to 200 more HP going to affect the rest of the car on sprited events, such as brakes, suspension, transmission, rearend, frame. I am sure ou rcars were not designed to handle 900 HP without any failures to other parts of the car for long term use.

Not trying to drag these items down cause they are the right thing to do to help the brand flourish, but i look down the road from folks who bolt on these items and expect factory backed results from the rest of the car when updating the engine alone.

Bruce

What is the difference between this offering and what a Paxton/Roe has been offering for years? They have been bumping V10's 100-200hp with not a lot of issues. The clutch is already better on a G5 but I'm guessing most will put a better one in anyways. Half shafts would be the other concern. But, if you're spending 20k on a SC kit you should be able to afford some upgraded axles.

[J TNT]

If you take a Balanced approach then Modding a Car is not an issue . Keeping the end goal in mind is key ! fwiw
It wouldn't be the first time I've Modded something....lol ! :)

[ViperSmith]

So now, there is virtually nothing for anyone to complain about now.

Too expensive? Now cheaper than every other gen (inflation adjusted)
Too slow? See Tony stomping the Z06
Not moddable? Well now you have more options than you can count

[Voice of Reason]

So now, there is virtually nothing for anyone to complain about now.

Too expensive? Now cheaper than every other gen (inflation adjusted)
Too slow? See Tony stomping the Z06
Not moddable? Well now you have more options than you can count

Don't forget they can even get it painted pink if they want now too.

[05Commemorative]

More weight in the front and more heat are not good for that environment when running in the 5000-6500rpm range for 30 min sessions.

Don't get me wrong, I think this is a fantastic offer for the strip and street where S/C excel. Not good for the track though, thus why my original question.


I wouldn't avoid a track event, but what does having a S/C have to do with whether you track your car or not? If there is no heat issues then it is just extra power.

[J TNT]

I would think Low Boost and good cooling should be ok for 30 minutes or less . The Hellcat has proven itself in similar situations . And for those that do 30 minutes or more then Naturally Aspirated would be there option . win/win

[Viktimize]

More power = more heat. No such thing as extra power without drawbacks.

Yes. But if it is not enough heat to create issues, then who cares? Even if it heatsoaks away 100hp, you're still working with an extra 150hp above stock.

Anyway, it's just silly how set in their ways some people are. There is a host of killer track cars that run FI, having NA is not mandatory to run a car at the track.

[Viktimize]

More weight in the front and more heat are not good for that environment when running in the 5000-6500rpm range for 30 min sessions.

Don't get me wrong, I think this is a fantastic offer for the strip and street where S/C excel. Not good for the track though, thus why my original question.

Yeah if you're going to have a dedicated track car, then there is better options. But for the majority of owners who won't ever see a track in the life of the car, or even for the more enthuaiast owner who might hit one track event a year, I think it's a great option. I'd gladly deal with the tiny bit of weight added to the front axle to have that much extra power.

[cashcorn]

I think this would be a great incentive for Viper owners with vouchers as well, or offer the Sledgehammer as production in 2016(EVEN BETTER).

[Coloviper]

Keeping my ole 96 RT/10 for the track. I don't think I would have the balls to track a new $100K+ sports car on the track, only to be taken out by a $5k Miata. I realize others do but I just couldn't do it. Thus if I can get a GEN VSC in the future, it will be for the street.

Any word on emissions for it? I mean even an 800 hp option, emissions compliant version is okay for me. Wouldn't need the long tube headers if that kills the factory cat ability. Stuck with emissions hell in this part of the world.

Seriously thinking about selling a couple of cars in my mini collection to pick up everything in a complete package with warranty from Tomball or Woodhouse or Roenoke if they are part of this.

[commandomatt]

Am I missing something ?? Its an option right, and not even a factory one ? Why are people talking about these non relevant issues this may have. Warranties not holding up. Not friendly to track (This track talk is driving me crazy considering the very few that actually track their cars). The bottom line is, we asked for power and its now becoming available for those that want it.

As been said, there are tons of Gen III's running with SC and you don't hear many of those that have them complaining about how it affected their cars

If you do not like the idea of a super charger....then do not get it. Stay 'safe' with your factory tune and lifetime warranty.

Sure its not the perfect and most bullet proof way to make power but its relatively inexpensive considering the net power gains and for those that have not driven a super charged Viper.....its an absolutely amazing feeling when this thing kicks in. If you thought your stock Viper was pretty quick, you are in for an eye opening experience for sure

[05Commemorative]

I think you are. Did you read somewhere where someone was complaining? I don't think anyone was complaining, just asking questions.

Heck, to your point of so few tracking, I think even less know how to drive a 900hp Viper let alone stock. Even less will use it, but I don't think that is the point. But you must admit, if you were really wanting an S/C for more power, wouldn't you love to have a factory warranty if avail. We both know that is not the case, but I see no problem with those asking.


Am I missing something ?? Its an option right, and not even a factory one ? Why are people talking about these non relevant issues this may have. Warranties not holding up. Not friendly to track (This track talk is driving me crazy considering the very few that actually track their cars). The bottom line is, we asked for power and its now becoming available for those that want it.

As been said, there are tons of Gen III's running with SC and you don't hear many of those that have them complaining about how it affected their cars

If you do not like the idea of a super charger....then do not get it. Stay 'safe' with your factory tune and lifetime warranty.

Sure its not the perfect and most bullet proof way to make power but its relatively inexpensive considering the net power gains and for those that have not driven a super charged Viper.....its an absolutely amazing feeling when this thing kicks in. If you thought your stock Viper was pretty quick, you are in for an eye opening experience for sure

[commandomatt]

I think you are. Did you read somewhere where someone was complaining? I don't think anyone was complaining, just asking questions.

Heck, to your point of so few tracking, I think even less know how to drive a 900hp Viper let alone stock. Even less will use it, but I don't think that is the point. But you must admit, if you were really wanting an S/C for more power, wouldn't you love to have a factory warranty if avail. We both know that is not the case, but I see no problem with those asking.

Yeah, you are probably right. No one is necessarily complaining but it just seems like there was a negative vibe in several comments people made. This was just made public very recently and I think we need to really give the guys that are bringing this to market a lot of support this early in the game. Let them know we want them to succeed in making this available.

Sure, some will ask about things like a warranty but most that are willing to go to this extent to modify their cars understand that warranties are not something they can expect. If warranties are more important than actual performance results, then this kit was probably not meant for them anyway

[Steve M]

Yes. But if it is not enough heat to create issues, then who cares? Even if it heatsoaks away 100hp, you're still working with an extra 150hp above stock.

Anyway, it's just silly how set in their ways some people are. There is a host of killer track cars that run FI, having NA is not mandatory to run a car at the track.

Do you own a C7ZO6 by any chance? I feel like I've heard that somewhere before...

[Dman]

Seems like the best of all worlds.

Stock it's pretty much a world class if not world beater track beast.

Throw an extra nearly 100 hp, and still a multi-session track beast and strip God.

Go SC and you can do it all and have a big number for bragging. And as I've found with my 820hp GT500, when you do get some heat soak, losing 100hp on a 800-900+HP motor is a lot different than losing some 50hp or so on a 650hp motor.

These are the good ole days.

[Bruce H.]

I doubt anyone would go the 900 hp S/C route specifically to road course it, but if you wanted it for street or drag use I wouldn't be afraid to track it a little, carefully watching traction and temps as you should anyways. Way overkill for sure, and dangerous for a novice is just a given even with stock Vipers, but there will be guys having a great track day with there's eventually. I expect these capable dealers will help their clients choose the best package for their uses.

I last tracked a Jaguar XKR S/C with air to liquid intercooler at 11 psi with zero problems, and two turbo cars I turned the wick up a lot higher on and tracked them for years with only minor mods and zero problems. Forced induction done well runs well on the track, and by the time this package is available I think its limitations will be known.

[IndyRon]

I guess what I should have said is that they (Tomball) won't sell the parts that way, it will be with their Mopar Controller or nothing. My guess is two different mod avenues with these cars will emerge going forward. One route is people tht buy a car from Tomball with these upgrades installed or having them added to your exsisting Gen V at a "franchised" distributor such as Tomball or Woodhouse. And the second route is other shops create their own heads and cam, and blower packages that will be sold seperatly and can be tuned via HP Tuners.

I would suspect that you will have to use a third party head porter and cam setup if you want to tune with HP Tuners. Or a third party blower to take advantage of the third party software.

Man, that is a Debbie Downer. I guess they want to lock up the product to recoup investment $$$ and turn a profit (which I understand), though I'm afraid that this is going to have some exorbitant price of $20k plus install.

[Camfab]

I smell some 9sec Gen V's coming to a strip near you;)

[EZ 2B Green]

Man, that is a Debbie Downer. I guess they want to lock up the product to recoup investment $$$ and turn a profit (which I understand), though I'm afraid that this is going to have some exorbitant price of $20k plus install.

If somehow they get it EPA certified, it would be worth it. I would even sacrifice 100 horsepower (800 Hp SC kit) so I could get one that was street legal (i.e. pass emissions). I don't understand why we can have a factory SC on Challengers and Chargers but not on the Viper.

[Viktimize]

Do you own a C7ZO6 by any chance? I feel like I've heard that somewhere before...

Absolutely not! lol. Had a 2006 SRT-10, and now a 2014 GTS.

[Nine Ball]

I'm also sensing a negative vibe from some of the posts here, without warrant. This is not an OEM factory installed option, it is a dealer installed upgrade. I'm seeing some highly unrealistic concerns being discussed, so I'll summarize.

1. Who realistically asks for a manufacturer to honor factory warranty, when adding aftermarket parts to the tune of 250hp increase?
2. Who realistically thinks they can utilize 900 hp all the way around a road course, with 2 driven wheels? At the very most, only on the straights. Even 640hp can't be fully used in the corners.
3. Pricing at this point is speculation. Considering historical Viper tax, I'd assume it will apply here. This is nothing new. Don't expect a cheap kit. It wasn't a cheap car.
4. Emissions compliance? The three packages listed are all "OFFROAD" labeled, for a reason. It is highly unlikely that any high flow catalytics can even survive beyond 650 rwhp, for long. That seems to be the power level that most melt or crumble. If you have concerns about emissions testing, then 900hp isn't a realistic concern for you.
5. Regarding chassis/drivetrain limits, we've all seen many examples of Vipers handling far more than 900hp, with mostly factory parts. At the most, you'll need a clutch upgrade. Maybe half-shafts on the rearend, if you plan on launching it hard on sticky tires. The rest is golden.

[Zybane]

I agree with all of the above.

[J TNT]

I second that !

[FLATOUT]

And people need to remember we're still a year out on the blower, things are always subject to change.

[ACRucrazy]

And people need to remember we're still a year out on the blower, things are always subject to change.

Hoping dealer install only is one of them. (I'm guessing you spoke with them already)

[IndyRon]

Hoping dealer install only is one of them. (I'm guessing you spoke with them already)

This. I'm also really excited to see how much overhead this blower has at 4.3L! Should be sick. :United_States:

[Steve M]

If somehow they get it EPA certified, it would be worth it. I would even sacrifice 100 horsepower (800 Hp SC kit) so I could get one that was street legal (i.e. pass emissions). I don't understand why we can have a factory SC on Challengers and Chargers but not on the Viper.

Not a chance...that's millions and millions of dollars that would have to be spent with the only benefit being a handful of people that would buy it specifically for this reason.

[Mopar Boy]

Way to go Ben for stepping up for the Viper community here! Just amazing! Even more so that other dealers will be able to be a part of this. Just classy at it's best. Well done! Makes me proud to be a part of the Viper nation when you see this type of stuff going on.

Robert

[Carbon GTS]

I think its fair to be concerned with price no matter your financial status. Its a matter of time before Whipple and other SC makers jump on board and all this thread has done is prove there is massive interest in a G4/5 blower. I think Bernie will make a huge mistake pricing this in the 20k range. Market share, notability, community recognition will pay big dividends in the future for a dealership not known to cut great deals. Not tryn to dig on Tomball because God knows I love Morgan and if I was to have this done Id want that guy and only that guy working on my car. That being said we are a year out and this is a TVS blower I might wait a couple months down the road to see what the other guys release too.

The smart play would be to offer deeply reduced pricing for those with deposits.

[Coloviper]

I don't see negativity.....all I see are questions and hopes that the package will work for them. Emissions, warranty, install questions, these are all real concerns for people in parts of the country. Awesome these packages are for sale and I applaud the hard work to create them.

Some new owners and potential new owners can just get into the car and some could afford the extra scratch for fun stuff like this, if it still allowed us ability to legally register our cars in an emissions compliant state/county. Also those of us without infinite funds on hand, warranty is an issue considering some of the issues the Viper has had which are warranty items. Also some are not supported by strong dealers so self install is a legitimate question.

All that has been presented are some bullet points, a picture and not price or real details. Just because these are not issues for some, doesn't mean they should downplay concerns of others. Yes package is going to be expensive for some but considering the gains, it will be reasonable, I am sure. Off-road or not, doesn't have to be certified emissions compliant in some cases but will it pass the numbers? I think only CA requires CARB stickers and the process. In CO, if you still have 4 cats and 4 O2 sensors in factory locations (not in a single header tube) and the car passes the dyno, sniffer test numbers, then you pass. If not, then you are in no mans land. Been there and done that with the 06' Coupe when I had it and the Belanger setup. It is a royal PITA.

Honestly some of the comments, some of you have way too much money and need to realize there is a big world out there beyond your state or local county. Everyone deserves the right to play. This is not negativity, just more information needs to be provided to understand if this will work for people all over this land in their unique situations. Ths is legitimate interest and that is good stuff.


I'm also sensing a negative vibe from some of the posts here, without warrant. This is not an OEM factory installed option, it is a dealer installed upgrade. I'm seeing some highly unrealistic concerns being discussed, so I'll summarize.
1. Who realistically asks for a manufacturer to honor factory warranty, when adding aftermarket parts to the tune of 250hp increase?
2. Who realistically thinks they can utilize 900 hp all the way around a road course, with 2 driven wheels? At the very most, only on the straights. Even 640hp can't be fully used in the corners.
3. Pricing at this point is speculation. Considering historical Viper tax, I'd assume it will apply here. This is nothing new. Don't expect a cheap kit. It wasn't a cheap car.
4. Emissions compliance? The three packages listed are all "OFFROAD" labeled, for a reason. It is highly unlikely that any high flow catalytics can even survive beyond 650 rwhp, for long. That seems to be the power level that most melt or crumble. If you have concerns about emissions testing, then 900hp isn't a realistic concern for you.
5. Regarding chassis/drivetrain limits, we've all seen many examples of Vipers handling far more than 900hp, with mostly factory parts. At the most, you'll need a clutch upgrade. Maybe half-shafts on the rearend, if you plan on launching it hard on sticky tires. The rest is golden.

[ViperDC]

I'm also sensing a negative vibe from some of the posts here, without warrant. This is not an OEM factory installed option, it is a dealer installed upgrade. I'm seeing some highly unrealistic concerns being discussed, so I'll summarize.

1. Who realistically asks for a manufacturer to honor factory warranty, when adding aftermarket parts to the tune of 250hp increase?
2. Who realistically thinks they can utilize 900 hp all the way around a road course, with 2 driven wheels? At the very most, only on the straights. Even 640hp can't be fully used in the corners.
3. Pricing at this point is speculation. Considering historical Viper tax, I'd assume it will apply here. This is nothing new. Don't expect a cheap kit. It wasn't a cheap car.
4. Emissions compliance? The three packages listed are all "OFFROAD" labeled, for a reason. It is highly unlikely that any high flow catalytics can even survive beyond 650 rwhp, for long. That seems to be the power level that most melt or crumble. If you have concerns about emissions testing, then 900hp isn't a realistic concern for you.
5. Regarding chassis/drivetrain limits, we've all seen many examples of Vipers handling far more than 900hp, with mostly factory parts. At the most, you'll need a clutch upgrade. Maybe half-shafts on the rearend, if you plan on launching it hard on sticky tires. The rest is golden.

Well put. Some people on here are just being ridiculous.

Basically every complaint with this car has been addressed admirably. The "but I would buy one IF...." crowd is running out of things to make excuses for. Now it looks like it would take 900 HP and a full 100k warranty that is emissions compliant to get 'em in one...lol

[99RT10]

I think its fair to be concerned with price no matter your financial status. Its a matter of time before Whipple and other SC makers jump on board and all this thread has done is prove there is massive interest in a G4/5 blower. I think Bernie will make a huge mistake pricing this in the 20k range. Market share, notability, community recognition will pay big dividends in the future for a dealership not known to cut great deals. Not tryn to dig on Tomball because God knows I love Morgan and if I was to have this done Id want that guy and only that guy working on my car. That being said we are a year out and this is a TVS blower I might wait a couple months down the road to see what the other guys release too.

The smart play would be to offer deeply reduced pricing for those with deposits.

Back in the day, Hennessy would get $25K for simple bolt-ons mods. If they price this thing out the door with 800-900 HP for anywhere near $25K, that would be a steal. I don't think most here have a clue what it cost to develop and produce something like this. :confused:

[ViperTony]

Back in the day, Hennessy would get $25K for simple bolt-ons mods. If they price this thing out the door with 800-900 HP for anywhere near $25K, that would be a steal. I don't think most here have a clue what it cost to develop and produce something like this. :confused:

This.

[Carbon GTS]

Back in the day, Hennessy would get $25K for simple bolt-ons mods. If they price this thing out the door with 800-900 HP for anywhere near $25K, that would be a steal. I don't think most here have a clue what it cost to develop and produce something like this. :confused:

You are talking about a guy who has filed for Bankruptcy at least twice not to mention the countless lawsuits.
It was stated before R&D is recouped over years with volume. Market share is key.

[ViperSmith]

I'd prepare for $20, be happy if it comes in at $15, but don't be shocked if it is $25

For what big shops charge to do big hp additions, $20 is pretty low - getting a virtually factory S/C for that, to me, isn't bad at all.

will i be paying? no i just don't care about having 900hp :)

[mjorgensen]

Getting any kind of emissions exemption is not possible as stated for the money it would cost period.

Will not be able to pass any plugin emissions test (very common in states that do test) because it will still need the "off-road" controller which ignores the rear O2's whether you have stock exhaust or not. Pretty sure with 900hp the exhaust was not meant to stay stock with the S/C.

Ben has spent a TON of his own money for this, if that doesn't amaze you then you will never realize what this kit really is worth. Do we all want to sell cars? sure, but if you are loosing money then these types of commitments make even less sense than this did considering Dodge did not help him or Arrow at all, scratch that they did help immensely by releasing the PCM to Arrow so we should be thankful for them and Tim too.

That being said and the PCM being the "key component" to any product made for the G5 I don't see another aftermarket company stepping up to do anything because they cannot tune the car and the PCM and the tunes are property of Arrow and Ben.

If you want the best engineered products for your Viper, even if they can void a warranty wouldn't you feel much more comfortable knowing that they were developed by TRUE Viper enthusiasts that know the limits of the car and designed it from the start? I know my thoughts on that and have been super lucky to know these gentlemen for the past 12 years and that they let me weigh in at all on these things is an honor.

[Victxv10]

You are talking about a guy who has filed for Bankruptcy at least twice not to mention the countless lawsuits.
It was stated before R&D is recouped over years with volume. Market share is key.

But the Viper is a limited run car. So even if every gen4 and 5 were to buy a SC upgrade, the price of recovering R&D is still going to be high. I think it's going to be around $25K installed.

[Bruce H.]

None of these packages or mods will pass emissions where I live, and many other areas I'm sure. The only package I could consider in order to have it pass testing normally would be the PCM only as I'd be able to swap back in the original PCM just for testing. That limits my gains to ~20-25 hp, but there's also a number of other improvements included with the way the PCM operates that are a further benefit. The factory PCM does not include them only because they couldn't pass emissions and other regulations according to SRT. Ralph, Dick and the Arrow tuner all personally highly recommended this PCM to me for my track use, and since these guys would know if it's safe or not I'd have no concerns about using it. But for sure, there is no warranty.

I can see Package 2 with heads, cam, header and exhaust being able to handle the road course once tested in that environment, but there's probably more effective ways to lowering lap times long before you could really take advantage of that extra power, with suspension, tires and brake upgrades topping my personal list.

[mjorgensen]

None of these packages or mods will pass emissions where I live, and many other areas I'm sure. The only package I could consider in order to have it pass testing normally would be the PCM only as I'd be able to swap back in the original PCM just for testing. That limits my gains to ~20-25 hp, but there's also a number of other improvements included with the way the PCM operates that are a further benefit. The factory PCM does not include them only because they couldn't pass emissions and other regulations according to SRT. Ralph, Dick and the Arrow tuner all personally highly recommended this PCM to me for my track use, and since these guys would know if it's safe or not I'd have no concerns about using it. But for sure, there is no warranty.

I can see Package 2 with heads, cam, header and exhaust being able to handle the road course once tested in that environment, but there's probably more effective ways to lowering lap times long before you could really take advantage of that extra power, with suspension, tires and brake upgrades topping my personal list.

The car will still pass emissions testing (plug in) with the stock PCM swapped back in even with headers and HF cats (Belanger anyway) so unless you failed the visual inspection you could still add 60rwhp and pass emissions.

[Bruce H.]

The car will still pass emissions testing (plug in) with the stock PCM swapped back in even with headers and HF cats (Belanger anyway) so unless you failed the visual inspection you could still add 60rwhp and pass emissions.

That's right...thanks Mark.

[EZ 2B Green]

I'm also sensing a negative vibe from some of the posts here, without warrant. This is not an OEM factory installed option, it is a dealer installed upgrade. I'm seeing some highly unrealistic concerns being discussed, so I'll summarize.

1. Who realistically asks for a manufacturer to honor factory warranty, when adding aftermarket parts to the tune of 250hp increase?
2. Who realistically thinks they can utilize 900 hp all the way around a road course, with 2 driven wheels? At the very most, only on the straights. Even 640hp can't be fully used in the corners.
3. Pricing at this point is speculation. Considering historical Viper tax, I'd assume it will apply here. This is nothing new. Don't expect a cheap kit. It wasn't a cheap car.
4. Emissions compliance? The three packages listed are all "OFFROAD" labeled, for a reason. It is highly unlikely that any high flow catalytics can even survive beyond 650 rwhp, for long. That seems to be the power level that most melt or crumble. If you have concerns about emissions testing, then 900hp isn't a realistic concern for you.
5. Regarding chassis/drivetrain limits, we've all seen many examples of Vipers handling far more than 900hp, with mostly factory parts. At the most, you'll need a clutch upgrade. Maybe half-shafts on the rearend, if you plan on launching it hard on sticky tires. The rest is golden.

The only negativity that I have is that I can't have one in my State due to it being "off road" use only. I think this is a great development and I applaud all those involved in bringing it to life. I know emissions certification is expensive but by not certifying it they limit the number of sales. I am not familiar with emission testing across the country but I have to think that it is going to be a problem for a lot of potential customers. Here in NH all they do is plug into the OBD2 diagnostic port and read the codes. Off road ECU's don't send the proper data over this port so the car would fail inspection.

707 HP Hellcats are certified and have a warrantee, so is that the absolute limit that catalytic converters can handle? I doubt that. How about offering an 800 HP version that is certified and a 900 HP off road unit? Viper and SC Kit sales would increase and everyone can play. :)

[99RT10]

You are talking about a guy who has filed for Bankruptcy at least twice not to mention the countless lawsuits.
It was stated before R&D is recouped over years with volume. Market share is key.


Don't even think about putting Volume in with this discussion. Not going to happen. This is not a camaro or even a Corvette. Volume, really?! There will be no savings because of "volume". :rolleyes:

[99RT10]

707 HP Hellcats are certified and have a warrantee, so is that the absolute limit that catalytic converters can handle? I doubt that. How about offering an 800 HP version that is certified and a 900 HP off road unit? Viper and SC Kit sales would increase and everyone can play. :)


Think of this as a tuner kit, and Tomball is your tuner. This is not ever going to be a factory kit. This is not the Hellcat. Factory vs Tuner, OEM vs. custom.

[Camfab]

The only negativity that I have is that I can't have one in my State due to it being "off road" use only. I think this is a great development and I applaud all those involved in bringing it to life. I know emissions certification is expensive but by not certifying it they limit the number of sales. I am not familiar with emission testing across the country but I have to think that it is going to be a problem for a lot of potential customers. Here in NH all they do is plug into the OBD2 diagnostic port and read the codes. Off road ECU's don't send the proper data over this port so the car would fail inspection.

707 HP Hellcats are certified and have a warrantee, so is that the absolute limit that catalytic converters can handle? I doubt that. How about offering an 800 HP version that is certified and a 900 HP off road unit? Viper and SC Kit sales would increase and everyone can play. :)

Seems your first stumbling block is the wrong Gen Viper........

[Resident Alien]

Getting any kind of emissions exemption is not possible as stated for the money it would cost period.

Will not be able to pass any plugin emissions test (very common in states that do test) because it will still need the "off-road" controller which ignores the rear O2's whether you have stock exhaust or not. Pretty sure with 900hp the exhaust was not meant to stay stock with the S/C.

Ben has spent a TON of his own money for this, if that doesn't amaze you then you will never realize what this kit really is worth. Do we all want to sell cars? sure, but if you are loosing money then these types of commitments make even less sense than this did considering Dodge did not help him or Arrow at all, scratch that they did help immensely by releasing the PCM to Arrow so we should be thankful for them and Tim too.

That being said and the PCM being the "key component" to any product made for the G5 I don't see another aftermarket company stepping up to do anything because they cannot tune the car and the PCM and the tunes are property of Arrow and Ben.

If you want the best engineered products for your Viper, even if they can void a warranty wouldn't you feel much more comfortable knowing that they were developed by TRUE Viper enthusiasts that know the limits of the car and designed it from the start? I know my thoughts on that and have been super lucky to know these gentlemen for the past 12 years and that they let me weigh in at all on these things is an honor.



Just wanted to give some due praise for a (somewhat) unsung hero.

I'm starting to really like Tim as a CEO. He may not be the most likeable car-guy type, but I think he made a number of brave and very good calls for Dodge and SRT and the brands are starting to gain great momentum.

Releasing the PCM code was something viper owners have been asking for since 2008. Major props for finally making it happen. That right there is likely the largest R&D subsidy for these projects, without trying to belittle the wonderful efforts and huge personal investment by Ben and the Tomboll team. I think it might be unfair to be asking for more subsidies from Dodge. If the program increases viper sales, they already deserve that.

[EZ 2B Green]

Seems your first stumbling block is the wrong Gen Viper........

Apparently, that is the easiest problem to solve.

[Camfab]

Yes you limit sales by not having something emissions compatible, but it's not going to happen here for so many reasons already outlined. The guys who have the cash to be doing these mods on a 100 k car to begin with are likely to be not so concerned with emissions compliance. In CA, which we all know sets the bar for emission standards the world over gives a new car owner 5 yrs before they have to do they're first emissions test. I can guess that CA sales for high end cars is either at the top or near the top. If you have the coin, you buy your Viper new and slap that sledgehammer package on there. You have FIVE years to play. Game over, if you're still driving your car after five years, you're not a player anyway, and this kit wasn't meant for you. Just say'n........ It's for the big dogs, if you have the cash, emissions compliance is never a problem.

[1.8t]

5 years? Georgia only gives you 3. Of course, I am positive CA emissions are worlds more cumbersome than mine, but I am surprised they give you a 5yr grace period.

[EZ 2B Green]

As I write this I am in the middle of a Blizzard and we don't have a grace period. I may have to move. :(

[Space Truckin]

In CA, which we all know sets the bar for emission standards the world over gives a new car owner 5 yrs before they have to do they're first emissions test.

WRONG, I have a 2011 Ford F350 SD Diesel and I am on my 2nd smog test in 4 registration years (Smog NAZI's). I cannot believe the amount of hand wringing, disinformation and whining (warranty, transmission and half shafts etc.etc) being done. It all boils down to NUMBERS, They produce at best 1500 Vipers (not a Camaro, Corvette or Mustang) per year, if you run the numbers there is a good reason for being "off road" only. If you want hp, you are going to fall into the "pay to play", and forget about warranty......JM2C

[Space Truckin]

Just wanted to give some due praise for a (somewhat) unsung hero.

I'm starting to really like Tim as a CEO. He may not be the most likeable car-guy type, but I think he made a number of brave and very good calls for Dodge and SRT and the brands are starting to gain great momentum.

Releasing the PCM code was something viper owners have been asking for since 2008. Major props for finally making it happen. That right there is likely the largest R&D subsidy for these projects, without trying to belittle the wonderful efforts and huge personal investment by Ben and the Tomboll team. I think it might be unfair to be asking for more subsidies from Dodge. If the program increases viper sales, they already deserve that.

Kudo's :t1236:

[KB Viper]

I live in CA and have never smogged a new car within the first 5 years so maybe they go by make, model, and zip code. Actually who knows what the dmv here does and why

[Zybane]

I don't care about the warranty so much, it's the stupid emissions tests. So with the SC kit installed, tossing in the stock ECU just for the test would be a no go eh? Would the engine even/start run? Maybe I could flat bed my Viper in for the emissions test with the stock ECU installed, LOL.

How hard is it to register your car in a different, non-emissions state?

[Nine Ball]

If your shop/tuner of choice is good, they will be able to figure out how to pass an OBD2 code test, and pass. Even smog testing can be done, with a few changes to the car prior to the test. These PD blowers usually have a bypass valve, for cruising out of boost. Adjust that valve to stay open, so the supercharger never produces boost. Install the factory fuel injectors back on the engine, in place of the high flow injectors. Then plug in the factory PCM in place of the Venom and go drive for a couple days without flooring the throttle. That should reset all the diagnostics, and the engine would behave like an all-motor setup due to the bypass valve.

Just need to be creative. We've had shops make custom tunes specifically for passing smog tests. It can be done.

[TooBlue]

I'm also sensing a negative vibe from some of the posts here, without warrant. This is not an OEM factory installed option, it is a dealer installed upgrade. I'm seeing some highly unrealistic concerns being discussed, so I'll summarize.

1. Who realistically asks for a manufacturer to honor factory warranty, when adding aftermarket parts to the tune of 250hp increase?
2. Who realistically thinks they can utilize 900 hp all the way around a road course, with 2 driven wheels? At the very most, only on the straights. Even 640hp can't be fully used in the corners.
3. Pricing at this point is speculation. Considering historical Viper tax, I'd assume it will apply here. This is nothing new. Don't expect a cheap kit. It wasn't a cheap car.
4. Emissions compliance? The three packages listed are all "OFFROAD" labeled, for a reason. It is highly unlikely that any high flow catalytics can even survive beyond 650 rwhp, for long. That seems to be the power level that most melt or crumble. If you have concerns about emissions testing, then 900hp isn't a realistic concern for you.
5. Regarding chassis/drivetrain limits, we've all seen many examples of Vipers handling far more than 900hp, with mostly factory parts. At the most, you'll need a clutch upgrade. Maybe half-shafts on the rearend, if you plan on launching it hard on sticky tires. The rest is golden.

Exactly...!!!!

Especially #2. How often are you at WOT on track and needing or being able to use 900 hp...?

[rlhay2]

Especially #2. How often are you at WOT on track and needing or being able to use 900 hp...?

You may not ever need 900. But how often would you like more than 640? Perhaps 800hp on the straights?

One other thing has not been mentioned is the torque curve.
With 700ftlbs at 3K rpm, you could put the car in 3rd or 4th and work on all the fundamentals of driving and just not worry about shifting.

Trying to rationalize is just silly.
Is a 900hp Viper that much more impractical than a 640hp Viper?
Some owners want more, some do not.

[FLATOUT]

I want 900, because I want it. It's fun and entertaining and that's exactly why I buy these cars, to put a smile on my face.

[1.8t]

If your shop/tuner of choice is good, they will be able to figure out how to pass an OBD2 code test, and pass. Even smog testing can be done, with a few changes to the car prior to the test. These PD blowers usually have a bypass valve, for cruising out of boost. Adjust that valve to stay open, so the supercharger never produces boost. Install the factory fuel injectors back on the engine, in place of the high flow injectors. Then plug in the factory PCM in place of the Venom and go drive for a couple days without flooring the throttle. That should reset all the diagnostics, and the engine would behave like an all-motor setup due to the bypass valve.

Just need to be creative. We've had shops make custom tunes specifically for passing smog tests. It can be done.

I did this with my TT Gen 2. It wasn't fun and took a while to get everything to check off, but it did work. PITA though...

[Junkie]

So, nobody can send me a heads/cam setup yet :(

[FLATOUT]

So, nobody can send me a heads/cam setup yet :(

Greg Good can do the heads and you can tune with HP Tuners :)

[Camfab]

WRONG, I have a 2011 Ford F350 SD Diesel and I am on my 2nd smog test in 4 registration years (Smog NAZI's). I cannot believe the amount of hand wringing, disinformation and whining (warranty, transmission and half shafts etc.etc) being done. It all boils down to NUMBERS, They produce at best 1500 Vipers (not a Camaro, Corvette or Mustang) per year, if you run the numbers there is a good reason for being "off road" only. If you want hp, you are going to fall into the "pay to play", and forget about warranty......JM2C

I'm sorry about your troubles but I am 100% correct. I stated "car" first off. To help you understand the Law, i pulled this up for you......







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[Junkie]

Greg Good can do the heads and you can tune with HP Tuners :)

Thats a 6 month ordeal :(

[FLATOUT]

Thats a 6 month ordeal :(

Might be the quicker path LOL.

[TrackAire]

Thats a 6 month ordeal :(

6 months???.....call Toddy at BBG, as of now he has the only running VVT delete solid cam Viper running. I'm trying to get up to Sac this week to check it out as a head and cam package has my interest the most.

I would be amazed if it took longer than 30 days for BBG to have your head and cam package ready......I don't get this bullshit of 6 months for a set of ported heads or anybody willing to wait that long.

[mjorgensen]

6 months???.....call Toddy at BBG, as of now he has the only running VVT delete solid cam Viper running. I'm trying to get up to Sac this week to check it out as a head and cam package has my interest the most.

I would be amazed if it took longer than 30 days for BBG to have your head and cam package ready......I don't get this bullshit of 6 months for a set of ported heads or anybody willing to wait that long.

Can HPT tune a G5 for cam swap??? I did not think they had that functionality or have I missed that??

The Arrow/VX H/C kit will be available sooner than 6 months and be a plug and play we are just waiting on the final numbers.

[TooBlue]

You may not ever need 900. But how often would you like more than 640? Perhaps 800hp on the straights?

One other thing has not been mentioned is the torque curve.
With 700ftlbs at 3K rpm, you could put the car in 3rd or 4th and work on all the fundamentals of driving and just not worry about shifting.

Trying to rationalize is just silly.
Is a 900hp Viper that much more impractical than a 640hp Viper?
Some owners want more, some do not.


My 08 is putting down over 600 whp. Close to 700 bhp. There are very few cars on the track that I can't catch on the straights. There are just a few tracks that allow you to stretch out the 600+whp. Road America, Road Atlanta and COTA to name a few. The torque curve of a 900 hp s/c engine is almost dangerous coming out of the corners w/o traction control. That torque comes on immediately.

For instance, this is a dyno graph overlay of my car with a Venom controller and a new ZO6. That much immediate torque would be tough dealing with acceleratiing out of a corner. (I said It would be tough but not impossible) It would be interesting to see how the vette would respond out of the corners w/o traction control and it's only 600+ ft. lbs of torque.

8590


I just think the blower is a little much on a road racing track. The Vipers in the unlimited class (i.e. Coastal Pet) at NARRA are between 700-800 hp..
Keith Prociuk is around 700 and he kicks ass. These are very accomplished and obviously above average drivers. The heads, cam package looks more appealing for the track IMO.



I want 900, because I want it. It's fun and entertaining and that's exactly why I buy these cars, to put a smile on my face.


I wasn't trying to infer that a 900 hp blower wouldn't be fun on the street or drag strip. Hell, I have two Vipers at home that have a comma in the WHP rating....:icon_devil:

I am with FLATOUT, the more power the better. I'm glad to hear of all these new power adding options for the Gen 5 and Gen 4.
That being said, I will probably go the blower route when I get a Gen 5.

[FLATOUT]

I agree I will either decide to keep road racing my current car and port the heads or I will decided to start doing more roll and drag racing and go with the blower option. It's nice to have options moving forward.

And I agree complete overkill on the road course but should be fun in the 1/2 mile and roll events.


My 08 is putting down over 600 whp. Close to 700 bhp. There are very few cars on the track that I can't catch on the straights. There are just a few tracks that allow you to stretch out the 600+whp. Road America, Road Atlanta and COTA to name a few. The torque curve of a 900 hp s/c engine is almost dangerous coming out of the corners w/o traction control. That torque comes on immediately.

For instance, this is a dyno graph overlay of my car with a Venom controller and a new ZO6. That much immediate torque would be tough dealing with acceleratiing out of a corner. (I said It would be tough but not impossible) It would be interesting to see how the vette would respond out of the corners w/o traction control and it's only 600+ ft. lbs of torque.

8590


I just think the blower is a little much on a road racing track. The Vipers in the unlimited class (i.e. Coastal Pet) at NARRA are between 700-800 hp..
Keith Prociuk is around 700 and he kicks ass. These are very accomplished and obviously above average drivers. The heads, cam package looks more appealing for the track IMO.





I wasn't trying to infer that a 900 hp blower wouldn't be fun on the street or drag strip. Hell, I have two Vipers at home that have a comma in the WHP rating....:icon_devil:

I am with FLATOUT, the more power the better. I'm glad to hear of all these new power adding options for the Gen 5 and Gen 4.
That being said, I will probably go the blower route when I get a Gen 5.

[TrackAire]

Can HPT tune a G5 for cam swap??? I did not think they had that functionality or have I missed that??

The Arrow/VX H/C kit will be available sooner than 6 months and be a plug and play we are just waiting on the final numbers.

I'm not the tuning guru so that shit's over my head, but the latest I'm hearing from BBG is a twin turbo set up where the frame does not need to be altered or cut and potentially uses the stock pcm. I haven't had a chance to get up to BBG lately, but I do think there is a lot more going on behind the scenes but they're too busy to keep posting updates. I do know that he started the solid cam conversion only a couple of months ago and it's done. When that guy sets his mind on something, it is going to get done (for those of you that have dealt with Toddy, you know what I mean). Car was up and running in last last weeks video posted here. I'll try to get up there this week for a closer look and see how it is progressing.

Good times ahead for the Gen 4/5 Viper owners.

[Shooter]

Good times ahead for the Gen 4/5 Viper owners.

Yep. There are gonna be some hurt feelings on tracks around the country when the Head/cam package Vipers roll up. Good times indeed.

[Junkie]

6 months???.....call Toddy at BBG, as of now he has the only running VVT delete solid cam Viper running. I'm trying to get up to Sac this week to check it out as a head and cam package has my interest the most.

I would be amazed if it took longer than 30 days for BBG to have your head and cam package ready......I don't get this bullshit of 6 months for a set of ported heads or anybody willing to wait that long.

I will be interested in that once I see head flow numbers and cam results.

Also I don't think Toddy offers a ported intake. A local porter I trust can do my heads/intake in a week turn around.

[TrackAire]

I will be interested in that once I see head flow numbers and cam results.

Also I don't think Toddy offers a ported intake. A local porter I trust can do my heads/intake in a week turn around.

If you're talking about the aluminum version, I have Toddy's ported intake....probably some of the best port work I've seen. He also ports heads with a very fast turn around. In my opinion, you need to be careful on the Gen 4/5 heads as peak "flow" numbers are not as important as flow with the correct velocity. (the gen 4/5 heads flow pretty damn good from the factory). A friend sent his heads to a well known pro stock engine builder (not anybody here on the forum or any of our vendors) and they got a huge cfm number but the velocity was all wrong and the car didn't respond well on the street at all with the stock compression, cam, etc.

[FrgMstr]

please dear god tell me that supercharger will bolt on to a gen 4!

Not so sure you would want to do that with a stock bottom end. :)

[FrgMstr]

And I agree complete overkill on the road course but should be fun in the 1/2 mile and roll events.

Mmmm, 1 mile events too. 900rwhp should bang out the magic 200 club members for a lot of Viper owners.

[FastMatt]

Mmmm, 1 mile events too. 900rwhp should bang out the magic 200 club members for a lot of Viper owners.

200 in a 1/2 mile with 900hp (crank)? that would be impressive.

*edit* missed the part were you said 1 mile:) ya that will get over 200 in 1 mile no problem

[FastMatt]

Not so sure you would want to do that with a stock bottom end. :)

My Stock bottom end "cream puff" 2001 striker heads/cam/Paxton car has been making 900+ whp for 4 yrs and so many pulls past 200mph they cant be counted. Forged pistons are just a buffer for a bad tune.

[mnc2886]

I am going to binge watch youtube when these start getting installed!!!!

[FastMatt]

I am going to binge watch youtube when these start getting installed!!!!

ya a 900 hp car that drives like a stock car, runs on pump gas! This is going to be impressive, wait till they start getting cranked up with pulleys, at 14psi these cars should make around 1200hp and a 4.3L TVS blower can support that.

[Simms]

Question on the PCM. Does the new VE/Arrow version address throttle response? How about timing adjustments because of air intake temps?

[ACRucrazy]

Page 4 two week bump for pricing..

[FLATOUT]

Page 4 two week bump for pricing..

Also interested in pricing info.

[KB Viper]

Also interested in pricing info.

Add another who is waiting for pricing in heads and cam package

[ViperTony]

Seriously interested in pricing information and is there way to sign up early?

[viper04]

Also interested in pricing info.

This is going to be the interesting part. I hope it not ridiculously priced. (Viper taxed)

[Simms]

Also interested in the heads/cam pricing. Just received the PCM from Tomball and looking forward to future steps.

[mjorgensen]

Hate to answer on their thread, but just to inform you all waiting, we (the 3 dealers installing/selling) will be talking Wednesday and you should have all the details after that.

[ACRucrazy]

Cool. Talk to them and tell them sold with install only is dumb.

Carry on.

[ViperWally]

didnt see in all the pages, what does this do for the GEN IV? are their big differences in the GEN IV and Gen V engine, I think someone told me they were forged. What can the Gen IV owners expect from the SC package?

[TCurtner]

As soon as Arrow was given the controller code for the Gen-4/5 cars, the writing was on the wall for this one. Not surprised over here.

That said, I would be curious to get my hands on one of these, as well as HPT, and see if the application can even be emulated without the Arrow coded V2 module. That may be the stumbling block here- great option, but not fully realized and stonewalled for further tweaking. Most guys will be fine with ~900... but we all know how long that lasts!

it lasts until someone offers 1100HP. then 1250...then 1375...then...
Really, will it fit my Gen IV? what else will i need?
how much how much how much???

[FLATOUT]

it lasts until someone offers 1100HP. then 1250...then 1375...then...
Really, will it fit my Gen IV? what else will i need?
how much how much how much???

13,900 with the purchase of a new Viper from ViperExchange. I'm running it on my car and it's awesome. Cam cores shipped from the supplier on Thursday and are currently being ground. I expect to start rolling on these packages soon!

Email me if you have any questions!

awheeler@viperexchange.com

[ACRucrazy]

ViperExchange in conjunction with our race program announces new and long awaited products for the Gen V Vipers. Several of our packages will be sold through ViperExchange. For more information please stay tuned for release dates. Congratulations to all of our driver's, team and crew, Riley Technologies, TI Automtive for the win at The Rolex 24 Hour Race.

Off Road Race Controllers $1100.00, Dyno for Controllers, ViperExchange Heads and Cam Packages. The controllers will be here next week.

Heads And Cam Horsepower (Dyno Graph Picture Below)
Release Date To Be Announced:

Estimated 733 BHP

Features:

• Custom Calibration for VENOM 2 controller
• ARH headers and high flow exhaust
• Fixed Cam with Increased Lift & Duration
• Increased Performance Cylinder Heads

Package #2 – Fixed Camshaft / Cylinder Head
Package developed in conjunction with Viper
Exchange. Package will be available
through ViperExchange Soon

• Increased Intake Valve Size
• Performance Valve Springs
• Performance Lifters
• Performance Pushrods

Package #3

“Sledgehammer” (Supercharger Pictured Below)

Available as a Package Only Thru ViperExchange

Output estimated 900 BHP @ 6 psi boost
Available 2016

• VENOM 2 controller
• ARH headers and high flow exhaust
• Twin Screw 4.3L Supercharger
• High Flow Fuel System
• Modified Front Cover for FEAD
• Front Pulleys and idler system
• Modified Cross Car Beam
• LTR and pump system
(7 photos)


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8566
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8568


Attached the dyno sheet and pictures of the supercharger soon to be released....stay tuned for dates and pricing.

8570
8571

2016 Sledgehammer bump!

[Sticky]

2016 Sledgehammer bump!

Whatever happened to this? They made it seem like the release was imminent.

I'm sure it will come as Arrow knows their stuff.

[NT-ACR]

Whatever happened to this? They made it seem like the release was imminent.

I'm sure it will come as Arrow knows their stuff.

I wouldn't hold my breath.

[FLATOUT]

Whatever happened to this? They made it seem like the release was imminent.

I'm sure it will come as Arrow knows their stuff.

Not happening.

Development was going to take way to long to bring this product to market unfortunately. The Heads and Cam packages have been such a good fit for the car that we decided to continue with that program and took on developing the Force 1 V10 with Fisker.

[Coloviper]

Not happening.

Development was going to take way to long to bring this product to market unfortunately. The Heads and Cam packages have been such a good fit for the car that we decided to continue with that program and took on developing the Force 1 V10 with Fisker.

Well that is a bit disappointing Andy. Not to knock the Fisker thingy but I wouldn't have expected the Fisker to catch on based upon what was originally shown. The value to cost seemed severely skewed considering the incredible value the base Viper brings at a "relatively" small cost comparatively speaking.

With that said, a quick question Andy! If the Fisker is sold as new vehicle and it has the same Viper engine with the VE Heads and Cam package installed and again it is a new car, is it emissions certified in that arrangement? I have to believe that you would be selling the heads and cam package, hands over fist to Viper owners, if it was able to pass emissions all across the country. Best marketing you could possible have is to provide or solve that one very issue.

Can you elaborate?

[FLATOUT]

Our Heads and Cam packages are "seeming" to pass the plug in tests. Mine just did last month, so that might help on that question.

As for the Fisker It's a completely different market and customer. Fisker has a very loyal following and he has collectors that will purchase one of anything he designs. When you are only looking at a run of 50 cars it makes selling those cars that much easier. The Force 1 has little to nothing to do with us not moving forward with the supercharger. Everything is a business case and time to market really hurt this potential product in my eyes.

Andy


Well that is a bit disappointing Andy. Not to knock the Fisker thingy but I wouldn't have expected the Fisker to catch on based upon what was originally shown. The value to cost seemed severely skewed considering the incredible value the base Viper brings at a "relatively" small cost comparatively speaking.

With that said, a quick question Andy! If the Fisker is sold as new vehicle and it has the same Viper engine with the VE Heads and Cam package installed and again it is a new car, is it emissions certified in that arrangement? I have to believe that you would be selling the heads and cam package, hands over fist to Viper owners, if it was able to pass emissions all across the country. Best marketing you could possible have is to provide or solve that one very issue.

Can you elaborate?

[Coloviper]

Understood! On that 50 car run, since it is a new car, do you not have to certify the emissions (49 or 50 state) on that car with the Viper motor and Heads and Cam package? Is there anything from that process which could provide a much more solid answer then "seemingly" pass aspect. I believe everyone knows VE is not going to step up and pay big bucks to certify the Heads and Cams package itself, but if the Fisker is essentially the same motor and program and is certified, that should be good enough. Again, answering this question with something more concrete would likely add 25 Head and Cam sales overnight as there are many on the fence. If I had a GEN V, I would be all over it, if it passed emissions here in Denver. Maybe it just does without headers and cat change?

[wum]

Understood! On that 50 car run, since it is a new car, do you not have to certify the emissions (49 or 50 state) on that car with the Viper motor and Heads and Cam package? Is there anything from that process which could provide a much more solid answer then "seemingly" pass aspect. I believe everyone knows VE is not going to step up and pay big bucks to certify the Heads and Cams package itself, but if the Fisker is essentially the same motor and program and is certified, that should be good enough. Again, answering this question with something more concrete would likely add 25 Head and Cam sales overnight as there are many on the fence. If I had a GEN V, I would be all over it, if it passed emissions here in Denver. Maybe it just does without headers and cat change?

I'd be one of those 25 customers! I'm in CA, so emissions is a big deal for me.

[cashcorn]

yeah, i'd be in as well. also in ca. if the plug-in passes, this would be bad..ass!!