Bad Boyzz Garage's Cammed-out ACR, VVT Phaser Delete Kit Completed

[BAD BOYZZ GARAGE]

Here's a sneak-peek of what we've developed, engineered and machined for the Viper G4/G5 owners, our Bad Boyzz Garage VVT Phaser Delete Kit is completed.

More details to follow on the Dyno-Jet!

Thnx,

BAD BOYZZ GARAGE
Toddy Gomez
1337 North Market Blvd. Ste 100
Sacramento CA 95834
(916) 505-9026
Info@Badboyzzgarage.com


See YouTube video of initial start-up, ran perfect!

http://www.youtube.com/attribution_link?a=xM72k7xlyeI&u=/watch%3Fv%3DPwNO1jDZ25I%26feature%3Dem-upload_owner

[IndyRon]

Toddy, that thing sounds mean! I want to hear some revs and under load. Definitely take videos of the dyno runs!

[Murpowa]

Sounds angry! Looking forward to more details

[Coloviper]

Yep not creating that V-10 sound through the stereo like other manufacturers with their V-8s these days. Ha! Ha!

[FLATOUT]

Sounds awesome can't wait to see everything ironed out and numbers put down.

[Brian E]

At idle that thing sounds all kinds of pissed off. Can't wait to hear it under load at upper rpms.

[Redx]

Sounds great, what tuning platform would be needed with this? Hp? Or can we run mopar pcms

[viper04]

Nice!! keep us posted. On the 5.7L/6.4L Hemi with VVT Phaser Delete, cam and header they are picking up 80to 100 RWHP. Would be nice to see the out come on the V10.

[HANKFAN]

Simply awesome!

[FastMatt]

How big is the cam?

[1.8t]

Nice!! keep us posted. On the 5.7L/6.4L Hemi with VVT Phaser Delete, cam and header they are picking up 80to 100 RWHP. Would be nice to see the out come on the V10.

This should be achievable IMO. Most stock Vipers dyno 530~540whp. Most header/exhaust/tune Vipers dyno 590~600whp. Hopefully a cam can at least add another 20~30whp. A cam on my old LS3 vette added 50whp.

[TrackAire]

Wow, been waiting nearly 6 years for a head and cam package that will work on our cars and now within the last couple of weeks is looks like we will have multiple options.

BBG's sounds pretty nasty, just the way a hot rod should be!!

[KB Viper]

sounds amazing. i'm tuned in for the results

[KB Viper]

i can't get over how good that idle sounds.

[TrackAire]

i can't get over how good that idle sounds.

That video is from inside BBG's shop, can you image how lopey that will sound outside where the sound isn't echoing from being inside the building?

I'm going to try to get up to Sacramento next week and check this thing out in person, exciting times ahead for the Gen4/5 Vipers.

[BAD BOYZZ GARAGE]

Guys I'm traveling right now, piurchasing some new machining/milling equipment for the Garage and plan on laying down some Dyno runs on the ACR when I get back.

This is our mild Bad Boyzz Garage stage 1 outlaw bolt-on package (Viper G4/ G5):
: race prepped valves & competition spring set
: competition push rods
: race ported intake
: .595 lift billet camshaft w/240 duration
: Shorty modular race headers
: matched fuel injectors (optional upgrade)
: race spark plugs & wires
: BBG prototype 3" outlaw mufflers
: BBG / Fast ET tuned


These are exciting times for Viper owners with the up coming super charger, cam swaps and a new breed of race components, so we're gearing up at BBG to have some fun and build some fast Vipers!

Thnx for your patience
Bad Boyzz
Toddy

[TooBlue]

Nice work Toddy..! You don't just sit around talking. You are doing...!!!!

I'll be watching this..... :fpopcorn:

[99RT10]

Is the stock computer reflashed or is a stand alone needed?

[1.8t]

Should just be a re-flashed factory PCM.

[EdwardETraylorIII]

Gentlemen,

All your questions will be answered very shortly. We are trying get some new milling and machining equipment to the shop this weekend for some other Gen V projects we are finishing up.

Let's just say this is shaping up to be a VERY good year for Gen IV and Gen V Viper owners/performance enthusiasts.

By mid year you're going to have a plethora of BIG RWHP options to choose from - more than you'll know what to do with!!!

[EdwardETraylorIII]

99RT10,

A standalone is not needed.

[Murpowa]

Updates?

[CSXT802]

Cricket cricket cricket. .........

[Redx]

bump for updates

[FLATOUT]

bump for updates

Agree updates please :D

[Murpowa]

Quite the dud :t0135:

[1.8t]

It either A. Isn't done yet or B. Didn't turn out all that well.

I am thinking B as of this point, but hope I am wrong.

[v10tt]

When are we going to See a DYNO on a Dyno Jet of any of these new all motor head and cam pacakges?

[Jack B]

The Arrow package is six weeks out.



When are we going to See a DYNO on a Dyno Jet of any of these new all motor head and cam pacakges?

[Carbon GTS]

I was hoping for a little competition here... The arrow package is a little weak IMO. CNC heads are not worth the money they want. If we were talking about a true top of the line port job then yes Id jump on it but not for a quick CNC job.

[Jack B]

I am not taking sides, but, the engineer in me leans to Arrow, please answer the following:

1. Who has more R&D hours on a G5 engine.

2. Who has built more viper engines.

3. Who has the factory pcm codes.

4. Who has dyno'ed all the G5.

5. Who has had a G5 H&C mule running around for 6 months.

6. Who has daily contact with the factory power train group.




I was hoping for a little competition here... The arrow package is a little weak IMO. CNC heads are not worth the money they want. If we were talking about a true top of the line port job then yes Id jump on it but not for a quick CNC job.

[Carbon GTS]

YA but...

1. Who is offering a package with no customization (one cam option and CNC port)

Its smarter business in terms of profitability to turn Heads quicker with a generic CNC port.
Not taking sides either but Im not a fan of generic CNC port jobs and think this is why most guys are not seeing the gains.

Again no knock on arrow and Im pumped they are offering this but I think Id rather use their cam and run a GG head.

[RPM9000]

Bingo, I am also not interested in the Arrow job for that reason as well. I think we'll be making the same power with the stock cam and a bad ass set of GG heads as the entire Arrow package.

My only concern is the tuning but Keith is making it work on his car so who knows.

I agree with you Andy, I think GG heads are the way to go.

[cashcorn]

update?

[SammutRacing]

update?..

why do all these threads that start so promising end up duds..

[Malu59RT]

Are you guys just having difficulty tuning it, or did something happen to the motor?

[amk]

update ???

[Jack B]

There are some good questions to be asked:

1. Everyone was doing high fives, but, probably failed to realize the car in most of the pics was a G4.

2. Edward, who appeared to be doing the tuning has not posted for a couple of months

3. There was an independent post of a member in January that said he was on his way to BBG to start the H/C install - who was that and what happened, that was approx 90 days ago.



Agree updates please :D

[drueherl]

Interesting video of a viper with a big fan running and someone playing spoons in the background.

I think we are all best to wait till viper exchange gives a supercharge option. Maybe we can get them to give us a 3 year 36k mile warranty like roush...

[amk]

YA but...

1. Who is offering a package with no customization (one cam option and CNC port)

Its smarter business in terms of profitability to turn Heads quicker with a generic CNC port.
Not taking sides either but Im not a fan of generic CNC port jobs and think this is why most guys are not seeing the gains.

Again no knock on arrow and Im pumped they are offering this but I think Id rather use their cam and run a GG head.

But do you think that they would sell their cam? Because on My project when I asked arrow for a cam they refused to sell me a cam because it is sold only
through Viperexchange. Viper exchange on the other hand doesn't want to sell a cam by itself they would rather do the whole package .. makes more sense I think $$$

[smhog]

There hasn't been any activity on his FB page since the beginning of March. I hope everything is ok.

[Jack B]

The reason is, Viper Exchange totally funded the project. Many do not like the limitation, but, they put the money up and knew that they probably would never recoup those dollars.


But do you think that they would sell their cam? Because on My project when I asked arrow for a cam they refused to sell me a cam because it is sold only
through Viperexchange. Viper exchange on the other hand doesn't want to sell a cam by itself they would rather do the whole package .. makes more sense I think $$$

[KB Viper]

But do you think that they would sell their cam? Because on My project when I asked arrow for a cam they refused to sell me a cam because it is sold only
through Viperexchange. Viper exchange on the other hand doesn't want to sell a cam by itself they would rather do the whole package .. makes more sense I think $$$

dude you're a baller, just buy the drag pak challenger motor and slap that in your viper. it's hopped up Viper motor with 12.5:1 compression and 800HP built by arrow then when you sell your car swap back and sell the car with no miles on it. they are in stock ready to ship
http://www.jegs.com/i/Mopar-Performance/312/P5155872/10002/-1?parentProductId=1929013

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=boLyk5E_nfQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lSNTB8zKtmI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uvup1r5O08k

[Victxv10]

Toddy was online here 3 days ago. So I'm sure he saw this. Hope everything is ok!

[mjorgensen]

The reason is, Viper Exchange totally funded the project. Many do not like the limitation, but, they put the money up and knew that they probably would never recoup those dollars.

Well not totally, Arrow has a bunch of their own money in the project just like the S/C, Arrow is 1/2 in there too.

[mjorgensen]

Toddy was online here 3 days ago. So I'm sure he saw this. Hope everything is ok!

Talked with him on the phone a couple times this week just to check in and he is fine, I told him he needed to poke his head out for a little while from his work LOL. He will be around more now and has already done a post.

[mjorgensen]

YA but...

1. Who is offering a package with no customization (one cam option and CNC port)

Its smarter business in terms of profitability to turn Heads quicker with a generic CNC port.
Not taking sides either but Im not a fan of generic CNC port jobs and think this is why most guys are not seeing the gains.

Again no knock on arrow and Im pumped they are offering this but I think Id rather use their cam and run a GG head.


Bingo, I am also not interested in the Arrow job for that reason as well. I think we'll be making the same power with the stock cam and a bad ass set of GG heads as the entire Arrow package.

My only concern is the tuning but Keith is making it work on his car so who knows.


But do you think that they would sell their cam? Because on My project when I asked arrow for a cam they refused to sell me a cam because it is sold only
through Viperexchange. Viper exchange on the other hand doesn't want to sell a cam by itself they would rather do the whole package .. makes more sense I think $$$


Just want to clear the air here on a couple things;

Arrow DOES sell a fixed camshaft conversion that will fit the Gen5, it is here and can also be bought through Woodhouse.

http://www.arrowracingengines.com/2011viperdragpakparts.html

The camshaft will fit the Gen V engine, the difference is how Arrow decided to do the calibration and control for the StageII kit. They built a proprietary cam design for their StageII (just their StageII). They made changes to it for THEIR calibration work for the StageII package. If you have a tuner that is confidant they can make the standard cam offered work with their own calibration then Arrow already offers all the parts that will allow them to try.

Basically – there is an ability for them to purchase from Arrow or Woodhouse the parts required for a Fixed camshaft. They would have to do the work to figure out how they want to get the engine to run.

[Bill Pemberton]

Talked to Toddy today ..................since I am not near as technical I was mainly interested in where he got those Governor Jerry Brown Peace Sign fender covers, ha?!

[FLATOUT]

I obviously have changed my opinion on the Viperexchange/Arrow heads and cam package. What they (VE/Arrow) have into this is substantial and it will be an extremely well executed package from start to finish.

[Steve M]

There's a lot of talk about Arrow/Viper Exchange in a thread titled "Bad Boyzz Garage's Cammed-out ACR, VVT Phaser Delete Kit Completed". The only person I'm interested in hearing from is Toddy - the extraneous info info sounds like a topic for another thread.

[FLATOUT]

There's a lot of talk about Arrow/Viper Exchange in a thread titled "Bad Boyzz Garage's Cammed-out ACR, VVT Phaser Delete Kit Completed". The only person I'm interested in hearing from is Toddy - the extraneous info info sounds like a topic for another thread.

I agree.

[Carbon GTS]

It would help if Toddy would post an update...

[Voice of Reason]

Speculation with no info is like a cancer. At this point if feels like we're Stage 3, much longer and we will be in Stage 4 making final arrangements.

[ViperSmith]

He's building kits for Teslas now, sorry guys.

[ACRucrazy]

Bump

[Jack B]

Let it die, it was never real





Bump

[cashcorn]

You would think a creditable vendor would respond,,

[hova00]

maybe he hit his head and has amnesia.

[chris955]

You would think a creditable vendor would respond,,


HA!

[slovenom]

He's been working on a flying car

[Gonabite]

He had a problem with his Gen IV setup. Its all part of R&D and to me it doesnt make one a failure, however transparency would be nice. It would be nice if Todddy would keep us informed weather positive or negative.

[Jack B]

I could be wrong, but, he was not listed as a supporting vendor in the last VOA mag.

[Voice of Reason]

He had a problem with his Gen IV setup. Its all part of R&D and to me it doesnt make one a failure, however transparency would be nice. It would be nice if Todddy would keep us informed weather positive or negative.

Well it's obvious he had an issue, otherwise Toddy would have been shouting his success from the rooftops. It's the stone cold silence that's the issue. A successful business is able to communicate with its clientele base in the good and bad. The lack of any info tells me this is someone I will never do business with.

[IndyRon]

Well it's obvious he had an issue, otherwise Toddy would have been shouting his success from the rooftops. It's the stone cold silence that's the issue. A successful business is able to communicate with its clientele base in the good and bad. The lack of any info tells me this is someone I will never do business with.

Thats a pretty lopsided argument. I don't know for sure but I'd say he hasn't posted results because he doesn't have any yet, for whatever reason. He does have a phone number. I think Viper owners get spoiled thinking every vendor has an obligation to post on this forum for us. If you are curious, call him! :)

[Jack B]

I think the issue was that those January posts were a bit beyond chest pounding, if the thread was subtle or "here is what we are working on", it would be different. Go back and reread those posts, there was a lot of bragging and even some looking down at others by Toddy's partner Edward. What was very strange was when they published numbers that they thought were great, they were not much better than some cars with a tune, the whole thing was strange.



Thats a pretty lopsided argument. I don't know for sure but I'd say he hasn't posted results because he doesn't have any yet, for whatever reason. He does have a phone number. I think Viper owners get spoiled thinking every vendor has an obligation to post on this forum for us. If you are curious, call him! :)

[TheStig]

I can assure everyone on this thread Toddy will bring something to the market that will be worth the wait!! I heard from a little birdy....

[Nine Ball]

Some of you are being harsh, as it isn't normal for Toddy to not visit/post here. I hope everything is okay with him.

[ACRucrazy]

He's been logging in to the forums.

[BAD BOYZZ GARAGE]

Gentlemen

I know there's been a lot of questions and interest about our head and cam package (phaser delete kit) and I should have posted this update sooner, my apologies our garage has been busy and this tuning solution for phaser delete has been an arduous process. We're in full development with a software compamy and have been asked to keep the process confidential until we can access the data in play. I will say my ACR's running with several intermittent high rpm issues, which we've identified and currently working to resolve. This is no simple task and the software company has its best engineers on it.

Please keep in mind we're 2 independent companies working as a team on this tuning solution with zero factory support. Remember Chrysler has the keys to the kingdom and is still fine tuning their package.

If any question please contact me directly Toddy @ (916) 505-9026 and on a side note we'll be renewing our vendor sponsorship shortly.

Thanks for your patience,

Toddy - Bad Boyzz Garage

[FrgMstr]

Thanks for the update Toddy, it is appreciated.

[Jack B]

A Gen5 development project and the mule is a Gen 4?


Thanks for the update Toddy, it is appreciated.

[slovenom]

No words...

[BAD BOYZZ GARAGE]

We're currently not sponsors so I'm trying to play by the rules here, but I was contacted by the powers to be today and was asked to join back up. I was given some latitude to post a few words on our thread, so here we go--

We have several projects on going simultaneously for the G5/G4 platforms. Our tuning partners Fast ET are handling the Venom 2 controller for the boosted TT side of things and my company BBG has machined all components necessary for the Head and Fixed Cam Phaser Delete Kits that we'll soon be offering for both G5 and G4. Progress has been good, TT is up and running on a G5 Venom 2 factory controller and we've identified which parameters need to remapped to run our high lift race camshafts and ported cylinder heads.

The thinking here was to run two separate test mules, this way each goal could be achieved individually, then combine both solutions which will be adding forced induction to our head and fixed cam package, allowing us to custom build engines at whatever HP levels our clients want!

On a side note, the G4 was a perfect starting point for fixed cam because the G5 and G4 phaser kits are virtually identical. Testing is on going until we can say without doubt that our fixed cam Viper mule is running perfect for release to the Viper Nation.. Andy from Viper Exchange said it best as Mr. Dick Winkles yesterday was dyno tuning " it's been over 2 years of development" , now that's with full factory support and software.

It's just a matter of time, software development, determination and thinking out of the box! Any questions contact me directly Toddy @ (916) 505-9026

Thnx,
Toddy - Bad Boyzz Garage

[Ripper]

^^^Keep up the Great , Hard Work!!!

Love your products!!!