Drag Strip Test - C7 Z06 vs Hellcat vs Viper vs ZR1

[Nine Ball]

Here is the write-up I did, about our drag strip rental yesterday. Enjoy!

http://nineballgarage.wordpress.com/2015/01/05/drag-strip-tested-c7-z06-vs-viper-vs-hellcat-vs-zr1/

Tony

[swexlin]

Nice writeup Tony, thank you.

[BlknBlu]

Very well put together and a big thanks from both camps I am sure.

Bruce

[Boba Fett]

Great going Tony, and great write up. Did you post this on the corvette forum? Id look but Im banned for a week.

[CarolinaViper]

Nine Ball,

Thanks for taking the time to do the write up, had questions in the other thread but you answered them here.

[viper04]

Wow! nice write up and thanks for the info.

[FLATOUT]

Great job Tony and thanks for having me out even though my car is "modded". Great to see the Vipers come out on top!

Tony what were the 60's on the two Z06's on drag radials on their best passes?

[v10enomous]

Outstanding ! I wouldn't be surprised to see one of the car magazines put Tony on the payroll some day as a contributor and test driver.

[Rocket]

Thanks for the all of the time and effort - and you got to have a great time as well!

So - where is the Hellcat vs. Z06 street run videos? Inquiring minds want to know! ;)

[Nine Ball]

Thanks for the all of the time and effort - and you got to have a great time as well!

So - where is the Hellcat vs. Z06 street run videos? Inquiring minds want to know! ;)

The Hellcat videos were from another crew, friends of the car owner. They will break the C7Z internet with that one. At least I won't be blamed again :)

[345s-bspinnin]

Great runs and great write-up. Thanks for coordinating this whole event and fending off bench racers and keyboard warriors in a gentleman fashion. :p0257:

[Dman]

Man ... apparently I need to move to Texas. All the coolest stuff happens there. Awesome job!!

[Steve M]

Man ... apparently I need to move to Texas. All the coolest stuff happens there. Awesome job!!

No kidding...the tracks around here close well before you get a chance at a DA even remotely close to that.

[TrackAire]

Sorry Nineball, we're calling B.S.

Those are all fake cars and a fake drag strip. Fake ET's and fake trap speeds....it's so obvious you're on an agenda to cause us great stress and make our self esteem lower than the quoted DA. You were probably involved in the fake NASA man on the moon landings too. We've got your number and it ain't going to fly. Just admit it now and we won't have to call in the authorities.

Signed,

The CorvetteForum

[Resident Alien]

Great write-ups! Dyno, Drag and Roll races down. Road race left to go, to break the internet one last time.

[Simms]

Great read! Very well put together.

[FSTENUF]

Nine ball, thanks for the post its 8 degrees outside today so any racing is awsome to watch.

[FLATOUT]

Thanks for the all of the time and effort - and you got to have a great time as well!

So - where is the Hellcat vs. Z06 street run videos? Inquiring minds want to know! ;)

I emailed back and forth with him this morning and he never sent me a link, so who knows?

[Steve M]

This forum is really falling short on tech content...I think we need to start some discussions about the best wax to use, how to dry your car (before waxing it, of course), and maybe where to source a Mobil 1 oil filler cap.

And yes, those threads actually do exist over there.

[J TNT]

Great post Tony ! Thanks on behalf of Team Viper......lol ! ;)

[v10enomous]

So it looks like a strong stock GenII could give the Hellcat a good go...

[Nine Ball]

It will take a Gen 4-5 to beat the Hellcat. I am a believer, seeing it run yesterday.

[serpent]

Anyone remember back in '06 when the C6Z came out with 505hp and it traded blows with the '06 Viper Coupe? Two years later Dodge brought the 600hp Viper and it was game over specially with the ACR.

Anyways, does anyone else think Dodge will bump the power up in the Viper and maybe put an Auto or some type of dual clutch tranny to take the American Crown again?

[v10enomous]

It will take a Gen 4-5 to beat the Hellcat. I am a believer, seeing it run yesterday.

A 2010 Gen4 should run even with a C6 ZR1. Did the Hellcat get into the 11's at all ? Supposedly the Charger is quicker ?

[FLATOUT]

It will take a Gen 4-5 to beat the Hellcat. I am a believer, seeing it run yesterday.

I agree it was really traction limited but still did well. I personally am surprised to hear that it beat the Z06 on the way home but who knows.

[Junkie]

Anyone remember back in '06 when the C6Z came out with 505hp and it traded blows with the '06 Viper Coupe? Two years later Dodge brought the 600hp Viper and it was game over specially with the ACR.

Anyways, does anyone else think Dodge will bump the power up in the Viper and maybe put an Auto or some type of dual clutch tranny to take the American Crown again?

Man I really hope that don't go the auto route. It really killed a lot of attraction to the Z06 for me, I feel like these cars need a manual transmission to really be appreciated.

[v10enomous]

From the Alley circa 2006...


Been working on this for over a month now...

hopefully over time more of us will post some bone stock times to add to this list...For those who have posted their stock times. i sincerely thank you for helping this list become an reality.

*THIS LIST IS FOR 100% BONE STOCK VIPERS*


GEN 1

Rich detert...1994RT10...12.3...111mph

Jcarter.......1994RT10...12.6...116mph

Bill..........1994RT10...12.9...109mph

MrJ...........1992RT10...13.4...106mph






GEN 2

Mike..........1999ACR....11.3...122mph

EvanSmith.....2001RT10...11.7...120mph
Racing your ragtop National Dragster - Find Articles (http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qa4078/is_200305/ai_n9239712)

Z06vrsViper...2001RT10...11.7...119mph
Z06 Vs Viper Comparison (http://www.learntodragrace.com/comparison.htm)

JimNordgren...1996GTS....11.7...119mph

SilverViper...****GTS....11.8...120mph

Jeffhelms.....2000ACR....11.8...119mph

KeithBraitly..1996GTS....11.8...118mph

KevinMcdonald.2001RT10...11.8...117mph

JeffTyler.....1996GTS....11.9...121mph

SocalRebel....2000RT10...12.0...120mph

MrMe..........2000RT10...12.0...116mph

JamieParker...1996GTS....12.1...120mph

Jcarter.......1999GTS....12.2...120mph

RickD.........2000GTS....12.3...121mph

HowardGoldman.2001GTS....12.3...118mph

JamesNordgren.1996GTS....12.4...117mph

BradBethurem..2000GTS....12.6...117mph






GEN 3

JohnMyrick....2003Vert...11.8...122mph

UtahViper.....2003Vert...11.8...119mph

RickMay.......2004Vert...11.9...123mph

TomDickson....2004Vert...12.0...118mph

MrJ...........2003Vert...12.2...120mph

RickMartino...2003Vert...12.1...118mph

IvanHo........@003Vert...12.2...119mph

[plumcrazy]

So it looks like a strong stock GenII could give the Hellcat a good go...


12.11 @ 126.30 mph (2.17 60′) – Challenger Hellcat

thats gen2 time but not speed

[v10enomous]

thats gen2 time but not speed

Yes... Hellcat would beat a GenII silly from a roll.

[slowhatch]

Awesome comparo, looks like a fun time by all. Guess no invites left for the "kids".

134ish stock trap must of been a nice tail wind gust, or tony's ego exploding from all the ass kissing and properling him into the traps ;)

And I just can't get over the ZR1 traps, I've seen those cars trap 130+ in positive DA time and time again with my own eyes at HRP. Don't know what, or whom, but somethings up with that specimen.

[Nine Ball]

ZR1 placed 3rd in the ET results. It was a bitch to run 11s at all, on that track. So, that proves he was driving it well.

[Solid Red 98]

Amazing results! Thanks for sharing all of the information. The results these gen v cars can produce is pretty mind boggling.

[slowhatch]

ZR1 placed 3rd in the ET results. It was a bitch to run 11s at all, on that track. So, that proves he was driving it well.

I never contended his driving skills, what I'm saying is the car seems to be down on power. None of the ETs that day were particularly impressive (given the surfaces), but the DAs allowed for some very nice traps. And its in this lack of trap that the ZR1 raises my eyebrow.

[Nine Ball]

I never contended his driving skills, what I'm saying is the car seems to be down on power. None of the ETs that day were particularly impressive (given the surfaces), but the DAs allowed for some very nice traps. And its in this lack of trap that the ZR1 raises my eyebrow.

His Sport Cups were old/worn and he said he had spinning spikes at the top of each gear. Traction wasn't there.

[Steve M]

I agree it was really traction limited but still did well. I personally am surprised to hear that it beat the Z06 on the way home but who knows.

There's no way that happened...read this:

http://autoweek.com/article/car-news/corvette-z06-faster-hellcat-ferrari-mclaren

See? Autoweek said it was official that the ZO6 was faster than the Hellcat.

[commandomatt]

Great work Tony.

It's so refreshing to see a straight up, real world comparison done by enthusiasts rather than companies that like to favor conditions or tracks just to suit their specific cars so they can get better results

Also very nice to read/watch something that just comes down to how these car perform without the relentless and exhausting bickering about 'this car is ugly' and 'that rear end treatment is the worst'.

Well done....looking forward to more comparisons between these awesome performance cars

Matt

[slowhatch]

His Sport Cups were old/worn and he said he had spinning spikes at the top of each gear. Traction wasn't there.

That sounds more like it, thanks for being honest.

[RPM9000]

Awesome comparo, looks like a fun time by all. Guess no invites left for the "kids".

134ish stock trap must of been a nice tail wind gust, or tony's ego exploding from all the ass kissing and properling him into the traps ;)

And I just can't get over the ZR1 traps, I've seen those cars trap 130+ in positive DA time and time again with my own eyes at HRP. Don't know what, or whom, but somethings up with that specimen.

Don't feel bad Alex they didn't invite the old man either!

[Nine Ball]

Heh. Alex never invites us out when he goes and rolls on exotic cars, either ;)

[Jack B]

I am jealous, it is 2 deg F tonight.

[slowhatch]

Don't feel bad Alex they didn't invite the old man either!

Haha i was at home...

http://img3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20140605232214/adventuretimewithfinnandjake/images/1/1f/Crying.gif


Heh. Alex never invites us out when he goes and rolls on exotic cars, either ;)

http://i.imgur.com/Y8uxmm8.gif

[Rocket]

HellCat vs. Z06 Video has surfaced:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=7qLYvNjoLR0

[TrackAire]

HellCat vs. Z06 Video has surfaced:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=7qLYvNjoLR0


Not good.......better put Corvetteforum.com on suicide watch.

[Solid Red 98]

^Whoa, that actually surprised me. Have there been any rolling gen v/hellcat pulls yet?

[slowhatch]

From the owner on CF;


Tell those guys spreading rumors that it was actually it was more like 4-5 car lengths.
We did three rolls between 45-50 mph and he honked on all of them. On each run I spun the tires and went sideways when I smashed the throttle in second gear. That is why he got the jump on me every time. The first time I stopped at around 85 mph and around 100-110mph the next two races. They wanted to find an empty road somewhere for some dig runs but I didn't want to because it would've been even less traction than when I raced him at the strip. The passenger also recorded that run where I beat him by at least 1 sec. If they put up the one where he "beat" me on the highway then I also hope they put the one of when I raced him heads up on the strip.
I think my traction was so bad even in 2nd because I had taken off the drag radials and put the cold stockers back on for the ride home.
I had a feeling they were going to be talking about it even after I told them that I lost traction on each run but it is what it is.
I did the same to a c6z a couple weeks ago we raced from about 40 mph and walked him every time but I'm not on here bragging that I took down a c6 z06 because I could tell that he spun the tires every time and never caught up. I started in 1st gear but the traction control would save me a bit and I got traction midway through 2nd.

[FLATOUT]

Would be fun to see slowhatch run this hellcat. I do have his contact info.

[slowhatch]

Not for nothing but the guys on CF have been responsible for me laughing a LOT over the last two weeks...

http://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.corvetteforum.com-vbulletin/2000x1504/80-img_6980_f4da104b8ce38ad9fab71c2116d1a2236aa80a78. jpg

[TitleMine]

Great write up.

[plumcrazy]

Not for nothing but the guys on CF have been responsible for me laughing a LOT over the last two weeks...

http://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.corvetteforum.com-vbulletin/2000x1504/80-img_6980_f4da104b8ce38ad9fab71c2116d1a2236aa80a78. jpg


thats hilarious

[KB Viper]

awesome write up

[Snakebit10]

I feel bad for those guys as they are going through some similar feeling of initial letdown that happened in Viperland. When the Viper lost quite a few of the initial tests and street races lots of Vipernation felt the same letdown. Now the same Snakes with owners with a lot more seat time are now taking names. Maybe given time to learn it better the Z will then have a better showing? I hope so for there sakes.

[Nine Ball]

I feel bad for those guys as they are going through some similar feeling of initial letdown that happened in Viperland. When the Viper lost quite a few of the initial tests and street races lots of Vipernation felt the same letdown. Now the same Snakes with owners with a lot more seat time are now taking names. Maybe given time to learn it better the Z will then have a better showing? I hope so for there sakes.

The Gen 5 Viper didn't lose many races at all. In fact, I don't think I've ever lost a race against another stock vehicle. The Gen 5 was eaten alive because it was expensive, and was only 40hp more than the previous gen. Not really about performance, other than the infamous ZR1 putting a better lap time down than the Viper with mis-matched tires and a missing hood vent.

[ViperSmith]

Your buddy peters latest rant about you on his blog is comical

[Nine Ball]

Link to head case?

[ViperSmith]

http://corvettec7fiasco.blogspot.com/2015/01/generation-5-dodge-viper-versus-2015.html

Generation 5 Dodge Viper versus 2015 Chevrolet Corvette C7 Z06 "shootout" penis wars


Lmao

[Nine Ball]

He does have some writing skill. I found it to be a fun read.

[Stealth]

I feel bad for those guys as they are going through some similar feeling of initial letdown that happened in Viperland. When the Viper lost quite a few of the initial tests and street races lots of Vipernation felt the same letdown. Now the same Snakes with owners with a lot more seat time are now taking names. Maybe given time to learn it better the Z will then have a better showing? I hope so for there sakes.

Once the C7Z guys tune their cars they will be fine on power--more than the Vipers, but in the gray area on warranty. C7Z is great, but I definitely would not trade my Gen V for one. I think it is also highly debatable whether the C7 Z07 will be faster than a Gen V TA (or TA 2.0) on a road course as is claimed on the CF. I suspect Dodge has that issue covered irrespective of the presence or absence of C7Z heat soak/ecu issues.

It is definitely a good time to be a car guy! (Or gal!)

[ViperSmith]

He does have some writing skill. I found it to be a fun read.

I'd hope he does considering he posts something 2x a day for what, the last two years?

[swexlin]

I think we can all agree we live in the golden age of performance: Viper, Vette, Hellcat, GT500. GT3......pick your poison. All great cars, and many more I didn't list. First world problems, for sure!

[TrackAire]

I'd hope he does considering he posts something 2x a day for what, the last two years?

I've read some of his posts....unfortunately he is wrong on some of the mechanical knowledge and especially the aerodynamics of a C7 and how they work. I've actually stopped looking because his posts have become so long winded but have little relevant substance that he didn't repeat 3 months ago, then 3 weeks ago, then 3 days ago, etc.

He obviously has a hard on for his automotive hero Tadge Juechter!!

I wish he would come back here and post, I do miss him and his unique views. I think PeterMJ is still afraid of Nineball and his investigative skills, lol.

[Chorps]

Personally I think his vendettas cloud his writing. I know he means to be sarcastic and bitingly witty, but he comes across as abrasive and bitter.

[Nine Ball]

Personally I think his vendettas cloud his writing. I know he means to be sarcastic and bitingly witty, but he comes across as abrasive and bitter.

Nah, he is bitter. He was trolling hard on Viper Alley, and got owned. This is a fun read.

​http://www.viperalley.com/forum/anything-goes/124897-welcome-petermj-thread-nws.html

[commandomatt]

Edit

[mnc2886]

http://corvettec7fiasco.blogspot.com/2015/01/generation-5-dodge-viper-versus-2015.html

Generation 5 Dodge Viper versus 2015 Chevrolet Corvette C7 Z06 "shootout" penis wars


Lmao

Holy hell....

[slowhatch]

Ah yes, the pessimistic ramblings of Peter.

I will say, his banter is quite witty, if only it wasn't so devoid of reality;


The results of this newest "shootout"? More misinformation and phallic inadequacies causing a severe rift between Corvette and Viper owners, with the organizer trying to self gratify himself as the main objective of this little gathering. Performance wise, no new grounds discovered, due to different tires and wheels removing "stock" from the comparison but this is besides the point. The guy can handle the stick and loves being watched by others while doing so.

LOL

[Snakebit10]

The Gen 5 Viper didn't lose many races at all. In fact, I don't think I've ever lost a race against another stock vehicle. The Gen 5 was eaten alive because it was expensive, and was only 40hp more than the previous gen. Not really about performance, other than the infamous ZR1 putting a better lap time down than the Viper with mis-matched tires and a missing hood vent.

I was lumping the the two mag tests it lost(Laguna and Willow) with the street losses against an MP4 and if memory serves a GTR, hence the "quite". Yes not a lot of losses overall.

Ever get a chance to run an MP4? It would be nice to see that one avenged or at least a closer race a la Huracan.



Once the C7Z guys tune their cars they will be fine on power--more than the Vipers, but in the gray area on warranty. C7Z is great, but I definitely would not trade my Gen V for one. I think it is also highly debatable whether the C7 Z07 will be faster than a Gen V TA (or TA 2.0) on a road course as is claimed on the CF. I suspect Dodge has that issue covered irrespective of the presence or absence of C7Z heat soak/ecu issues.

It is definitely a good time to be a car guy! (Or gal!)

Yes it surely hasnt lived up to the hype so far. I am eager to see how the top shelf Z(full downforce package etc) does against the TA on a roadcourse. No need to involve the 2.0 yet ;)

[Nine Ball]

I've not raced any McLarens. I also figured the Huracan would walk me by 2-3 cars. I'd like to see pdv25 avenge his own McLaren loss, in his current orange TA. :)

[slowhatch]

I got pulled pretty badly by a McLaren when i was stock. I call those cars the grown man GTR. McLaren driver claimed he was "stock with a splash of race gas" during the ordeal :)

[Ripper]

Outstanding Write up Tony!!

Bet that was a really fun day

[Snakebit10]

Yeah I hope PDV gets a rematch. Alpha performance has a tune that supposed to give the MP4's 100+hp so it would be pretty cool to see Viper vs MP4 stock to stock and tune for tune.