Ran 10.84@134.97 Today

[FLATOUT]

So Nineball put together a great C7Z06 Vs. Gen V Viper Shootout today at Henessey's in Sealy Texas. Although track conditions weren't spectacular we saw some incredible trap speeds out of the Gen V cars.

Best I could get out of the Hoosiers today was a 1.87 60 foot and still managed to run several 10.8's (I just couldn't get the tire to hold). Was a little rusty drag racing but it started to come back as the day went on.

What you guys aren't going to believe is that Nineball got a 134.67mph trap speed out of Shooter's bone stock SRT track pack car. So Jack B I haven't forgotten about our 100$ bet but I promise you 136mph will fall to a bolton Gen V Viper. I weight 250lbs and had 3/4 tank of fuel and i'm still on the stock catback with TA aero dragging it down. We will see a Gen V trap 136 with boltons at some point if not 137.

I'll get the time slips loaded up later but for now here's a quick vid of the pass.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nlSkBg5uKDU&feature=youtu.be


Timeslips Added:

https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7583/16019131128_d36a98fb1f_b.jpg (https://www.flickr.com/photos/125600825@N07/16019131128/)
Time slips (https://www.flickr.com/photos/125600825@N07/16019131128/) by mrandrewwheeler (https://www.flickr.com/people/125600825@N07/), on Flickr

https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7467/15584236464_ba45307e18_b.jpg (https://www.flickr.com/photos/125600825@N07/15584236464/)
Time Slips 2 (https://www.flickr.com/photos/125600825@N07/15584236464/) by mrandrewwheeler (https://www.flickr.com/people/125600825@N07/), on Flickr

[Crotalidae]

Congrats & great times...I posted your times/numbers in the old ZO6 vs Viper thread w/ a link to corvette forum thread...thank you & Tony & others for setting this up!!!

[AbsolutHank]

As usual, nice driving :)

[FLATOUT]

Congrats & great times...I posted your times/numbers in the old ZO6 vs Viper thread w/ a link to corvette forum thread...thank you & Tony & others for setting this up!!!

The Vipers did exceptionally well today and nothing got close to the trap speeds we were seeing out of the Vipers. The Vipers kept making passes all day, run after run without a hiccup. I was great to see.

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As usual, nice driving :)

Thanks Ryan I was a bit rusty to start the day, but it got better and better.

[PaulP]

Right on flatout, nice driving any other videos?

[Bruce H.]

Very nice...congrats!

[Jack B]

Nice run, what was the DA?


So Nineball put together a great C7Z06 Vs. Gen V Viper Shootout today at Henessey's in Sealy Texas. Although track conditions weren't spectacular we saw some incredible trap speeds out of the Gen V cars.

Best I could get out of the Hoosiers today was a 1.87 60 foot and still managed to run several 10.8's (I just couldn't get the tire to hold). Was a little rusty drag racing but it started to come back as the day went on.

What you guys aren't going to believe is that Nineball got a 134.67mph trap speed out of Shooter's bone stock SRT track pack car. So Jack B I haven't forgotten about our 100$ bet but I promise you 136mph will fall to a bolton Gen V Viper. I weight 250lbs and had 3/4 tank of fuel and i'm still on the stock catback with TA aero dragging it down. We will see a Gen V trap 136 with boltons at some point if not 137.

I'll get the time slips loaded up later but for now here's a quick vid of the pass.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nlSkBg5uKDU&feature=youtu.be

[Steve M]

Looks like it was around -1000 ft...not too shabby.

[Junkie]

Looks like some amazing DA. Thats a solid pass Andy, almost the same as my fully ported/bolt on Gen4 on MT's. Good sign for bolt on Gen5's, seems like another 30-50hp left in a bad ass heads/intake port job, so 137+ is possible on motor and stock drivability

[IndyRon]

Nice work! Your TA is moving. I just can't believe that a stock G5 ran almost 135...that's crazy! I've been following the threads over on the corvetteforum and they seem none too happy about the trap speed differences. It also explains why the G5 can run with a Huracan.

[Jack B]

Let's be careful, those trap speeds with a DA of -1000, are not going to be the same during the summer or at most tracks. As an example most Ohio tracks have a DA of 2500 to 3500 during the summer. That is a hp diff of 11.25%.



Nice work! Your TA is moving. I just can't believe that a stock G5 ran almost 135...that's crazy! I've been following the threads over on the corvetteforum and they seem none too happy about the trap speed differences. It also explains why the G5 can run with a Huracan.

[VENOM V]

This makes me want to get back into drag racing. Very cool, way to represent

[swexlin]

Great results!

[viper04]

Nice run! thanks for posting. Any numbers on the Z06?

[Nine Ball]

Great time out there, even if the track was slippery on stock tires. I'll do a write-up today.

Here is a video of me driving all three stock Vipers, to their best trap speeds. That was fun :)

http://youtu.be/ZUOZ9xDWFX8

My own car was the slowest :( HAHA

[FLATOUT]

Tony I will try my go pro on helmet next time like that. Cool to see the shifts.

[Fatboy 18]

For the novice here, how do you launch these cars, do you play around with traction control buttons, Do you start off in 1st or 2nd gear? what revs do you use? Are you fast off the clutch or do you ease into it?

The first time i tried drag racing in my Gen II, I broke a UJ and damaged the output shaft and half shaft! it was a very sticky track, I had not done any kind of burnout, had the revs up to around 2000, dropped the clutch and the car went bang!

[outnumbered]

Great time out there, even if the track was slippery on stock tires. I'll do a write-up today.

Here is a video of me driving all three stock Vipers, to their best trap speeds. That was fun :)

http://youtu.be/ZUOZ9xDWFX8

My own car was the slowest :( HAHA

Just to confirm, those speeds were on stock tires?

[FLATOUT]

Just to confirm, those speeds were on stock tires?

I'll let Tony answer that, but even if they weren't it wouldn't effect trap speeds unless you had different tire diameters that would effect gearing. None of the non drag radial cars hooked (ever) yesterday. Even my car on Hoosiers didn't hook well.

[Nine Ball]

My white TA = Michelin Pilot Sport Cups (ACR tires)
Orange TA = Pirelli PZero Corsa
Black SRT = Michelin Pilot Sport Cups (ACR tires)

The Corsa tires had more grip, and required less of a burnout. So if anything, the Sport Cups made us run slower. They are horrible tires on a cold drag strip.

[Nine Ball]

For the novice here, how do you launch these cars, do you play around with traction control buttons, Do you start off in 1st or 2nd gear? what revs do you use? Are you fast off the clutch or do you ease into it?

The first time i tried drag racing in my Gen II, I broke a UJ and damaged the output shaft and half shaft! it was a very sticky track, I had not done any kind of burnout, had the revs up to around 2000, dropped the clutch and the car went bang!

1st gear start. Slipping out the clutch, trying to balance throttle/clutch/wheelspin. I usually start out at around 3800-4000 rpm on the stock tire grip. Traction Control OFF.

[Voice of Reason]

The discussion about the Vipers being on non stock tires over on CF is absurd. Some of those guys will grab onto anything as to why their Z didn't win everything. The same will happen now when you get a group together for a road course, unless you find a Viper with Corsas they will attempt to invalidate all lap times.

[IndyRon]

Let's be careful, those trap speeds with a DA of -1000, are not going to be the same during the summer or at most tracks. As an example most Ohio tracks have a DA of 2500 to 3500 during the summer. That is a hp diff of 11.25%.

Even given the great DA, I still didn't think we would see more than 130-131mph consistently stock. What's the fastest trap a Gen4 coupe has run stock? I don't remember anyone breaking 130.

[ViperSmith]

The discussion about the Vipers being on non stock tires over on CF is absurd. Some of those guys will grab onto anything as to why their Z didn't win everything. The same will happen now when you get a group together for a road course, unless you find a Viper with Corsas they will attempt to invalidate all lap times.

probably had a non-factory air freshener in it too, not stock!

[Fatboy 18]

1st gear start. Slipping out the clutch, trying to balance throttle/clutch/wheelspin. I usually start out at around 3800-4000 rpm on the stock tire grip. Traction Control OFF.

Thanks for that, wow revs a high as 3800-4000! interesting :)

[Hamrhead]

Thanks for letting the rest of us ride along(Both Vids)!

Good Stuff there!:dude3:

[mjorgensen]

Great job Tony, I'm never really shocked anymore though ;-)

Thanks Andy for the great ride along!

[Lokien]

Laughing at the youtube comment "Human DCT is human DCT" :lol2:

Great vids gents.

[Nine Ball]

probably had a non-factory air freshener in it too, not stock!

The red C7 Z06 had a non-factory windshield decal banner. Surely that helped just as much as my tires did. He ran 14s. With Sport Cups on it.

[Dman]

The discussion about the Vipers being on non stock tires over on CF is absurd. Some of those guys will grab onto anything as to why their Z didn't win everything. The same will happen now when you get a group together for a road course, unless you find a Viper with Corsas they will attempt to invalidate all lap times.


They hate us, cause they ain't us.



Awesome results and vids!! Dodge needs to make a commercial out of your footage, that would sell some cars.

[Revolution]

Great times which cars are running tunes and which are stock pcm? Wow -1000Da I need to find some of that :)

[FLATOUT]

Great times which cars are running tunes and which are stock pcm? Wow -1000Da I need to find some of that :)

Only car that had a tune on it is mine due to the headers, all of the other Gen V's were completely stock. In fact Shooters car trapped 132mph with him driving it, and he's NEVER been on a drag strip. The one thing I noticed yesterday about the Viper camp was everyone kept making passes, kept practicing, and kept improving. Everyone was helping each other with driving tips, and by the end of the day it showed.

No EGO's,no complaining, everyone just kept working at it all day.

[FLATOUT]

Even given the great DA, I still didn't think we would see more than 130-131mph consistently stock. What's the fastest trap a Gen4 coupe has run stock? I don't remember anyone breaking 130.

I think the Gen IV coupes are equally as fast maybe only down 1-2 mph at best to a gen V. I think we just never had anyone run one (Gen IV coupe) in great DA. Malu ran 10's in his in good DA and I think went 10.9@129 but who knows how good that DA really was.

[Junkie]

I think the Gen IV coupes are equally as fast maybe only down 1-2 mph at best to a gen V. I think we just never had anyone run one (Gen IV coupe) in great DA. Malu ran 10's in his in good DA and I think went 10.9@129 but who knows how good that DA really was.

All my runs were in 1500+DA. Lots of 10.5-10.6@133-134

[Revolution]

Thats what its about going faster and having fun there is no money in this people just can't understand that sometimes. We do it because we love it!

[98intrigue]

Great job, guys! I wish we had a group of Viper owners around here like you Houston guys.


They hate us, cause they ain't us.



Awesome results and vids!! Dodge needs to make a commercial out of your footage, that would sell some cars.

Nice The Interview reference!

[Torquemonster06]

So cool. Thank you for taking the time to make the "Educational" video. ;)

[mikesax]

Thanx again Tony, Andy and the entire Houston "gang"!! You guys continue to AMAZE!! GOOD THINGS happen "deep in the heart of Texas"!!

[FLATOUT]

Timeslips Added:

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Time slips (https://www.flickr.com/photos/125600825@N07/16019131128/) by mrandrewwheeler (https://www.flickr.com/people/125600825@N07/), on Flickr

https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7467/15584236464_ba45307e18_b.jpg (https://www.flickr.com/photos/125600825@N07/15584236464/)
Time Slips 2 (https://www.flickr.com/photos/125600825@N07/15584236464/) by mrandrewwheeler (https://www.flickr.com/people/125600825@N07/), on Flickr

[swexlin]

Way to represent us Track Pack guys. VERY cool!

[Ohiotj]

Do you have to run a full cage in those cars? Under 11.5 I think is the line. Just curious.

[Simms]

Awesome driving and numbers by all!

[Junkie]

Do you have to run a full cage in those cars? Under 11.5 I think is the line. Just curious.

NHRA rules changed, and this was a rental so lax on rules. TMK with the new rules, you can usually run 10.0 or slower without a cage.

[ACRucrazy]

Awesome job.
Tell us more about the hellcat lol

[FrgMstr]

Edit: Posted in the wrong thread.


Good run Andy!!

[FLATOUT]

Awesome job.
Tell us more about the hellcat lol

Was an auto car, it struggled at the strip to hook up. I think it may have trapped 126-127 maybe? Probably very similar to the Z06's and there is word that it ran the Silver Z06 that went 10.9@128 on the way home and the Hellcat walked it every race. I have not seen the video yet but I was oretty surprised to hear that, I expected them to be about dead even.

Andy

[Dman]

Did the Hellcat get a flat tire during its run? Or have an elephant in the trunk?

[Ohiotj]

NHRA rules changed, and this was a rental so lax on rules. TMK with the new rules, you can usually run 10.0 or slower without a cage.

Good to know. And those were some great times.

[Steve M]

Thanks for that, wow revs a high as 3800-4000! interesting :)

If you watch some videos of Vipers from behind when running quick times at the drag strip, you'll notice a puff of smoke coming from under the car...that's the clutch smoking from slipping it trying to get it out of the hole without too much wheel spin, but not bogging it at the same time. Some people mistake it for tire smoke, but the smell would tell you otherwise. Mmmmmmm mmmmmm...toasty.

[FLATOUT]

Did the Hellcat get a flat tire during its run? Or have an elephant in the trunk?

No he spun. Running heads up at the drag strip is a different game, you absolutely have to put down a solid pass and be quick on the tree. I usually dial back the launch RPM's to make sure I get out clean without spinning and I make sure to be as quick on the tree as I can.

He fully staged and then I prestaged. I then staged and made sure I was immediatly at my launch RPM and the lights started dropping almost as soon as I rolled in. Went green and I didn't look back until the finish. Ended up being my quickest et of the day.

I know they filmed it but since he spun I doubt I'll ever see the vid.

[CarolinaViper]

Great time out there, even if the track was slippery on stock tires. I'll do a write-up today.

Here is a video of me driving all three stock Vipers, to their best trap speeds. That was fun :)

http://youtu.be/ZUOZ9xDWFX8

My own car was the slowest :( HAHA

Nice runs...interested in the 60' times if you have them for each run.

Thanks.

Jeff


Saw your other post w/60' times...thanks

[345s-bspinnin]

Great runs Andy. Way to represent the Viper community.

[Snakebit10]

Wow. Almost 135mph out of a bone stocker is miles ahead of the nearest magazine time or any other owner documented time I have seen...I'm starting to see why they can hang with Huracans and full bolt on late model GTR's when you drive them like this. I guess we can now consider the Viper a 13xmph trapping car now. Glad to see this finally happen and seems repeatable with the right drivers.

[ViperSmith]

The Viper is and will be the best kept secret in HiPo cars.

[Eachey51]

Not anymore! ^^ its out ther for all to see. Everyone has ther heads up their anal crevices though.

[Nine Ball]

Wow. Almost 135mph out of a bone stocker is miles ahead of the nearest magazine time or any other owner documented time I have seen...I'm starting to see why they can hang with Huracans and full bolt on late model GTR's when you drive them like this. I guess we can now consider the Viper a 13xmph trapping car now. Glad to see this finally happen and seems repeatable with the right drivers.

I wish I had my camera recording after that pass, when I returned to the staging lane. About a dozen guys were running and waving their arms in the air, shouting at how fast I had just run. Even I was shocked, it was a great moment!

[hova00]

Flat out nice runs but I know your car has at least 136+ in it considering a stock one trapped 134.xx that day.

[sammyv]

Awesome!!!

[SilveRT8]

This is the Golden age !
Congrats

[FLATOUT]

Flat out nice runs but I know your car has at least 136+ in it considering a stock one trapped 134.xx that day.

Agree but you have to remember TA's will always trap lower than a track pack car due to the aero and extra 50 lbs of vehicle weight.

[Jack B]

Newer factory stock cars like the vette and viper are given a lower ET/MPH threshold, this is relatively new.


Do you have to run a full cage in those cars? Under 11.5 I think is the line. Just curious.

[Jack B]

Tony:

Did you use the water box and warm them like bias plys or just spin them up to the line?



My white TA = Michelin Pilot Sport Cups (ACR tires)
Orange TA = Pirelli PZero Corsa
Black SRT = Michelin Pilot Sport Cups (ACR tires)

The Corsa tires had more grip, and required less of a burnout. So if anything, the Sport Cups made us run slower. They are horrible tires on a cold drag strip.

[Shooter]

Tony:

Did you use the water box and warm them like bias plys or just spin them up to the line?

Jack when I went from doing a burnout on the line to using the water box, I went from trapping 128-129 mph to consistent 131.XX's and one 132.2 mph. I think I saw Tony use the water towards the end of the day, but I'm not sure.

[FLATOUT]

Jack we had to do full burnouts due to the cold temps and track prep.

[Snakebit10]

I wish I had my camera recording after that pass, when I returned to the staging lane. About a dozen guys were running and waving their arms in the air, shouting at how fast I had just run. Even I was shocked, it was a great moment!

Haha I can only imagine. Much respect to you guys for putting the Viper where it belongs.

[Nine Ball]

Tony:

Did you use the water box and warm them like bias plys or just spin them up to the line?

I roasted those tires without mercy in the water box. The Corsa's had more grip than the Sport Cups, they were even harder to keep burning out on, they started to grip too much. Pretty sure I could run a 10 on Corsas, if the track prep was stellar. Sport Cups are pretty horrible on the drag strip, lol.