Why no interest in Gen IV?

[MtnBiker]

I realize the Gen V has the limelight, especially after price reduction. I have not had a single inquiry for my Gen IV which is up for sale. Why the heck? It's priced to sell.

http://driveviper.com/classifieds/gen-iv/p689-2010-b-2fw-coupe.html

[TooBlue]

I realize the Gen V has the limelight, especially after price reduction. I have not had a single inquiry for my Gen IV which is up for sale. Why the heck? It's priced to sell.

http://driveviper.com/classifieds/gen-iv/p689-2010-b-2fw-coupe.html

Not exactly the best time of year to sell a sports car when a lot of us are dealing with snow or cold temps.

Still... I sure would have thought you would get some inquiries....




(Guess nobody wants you to sell it. Have you thought about installing a 3 pt hitch on the back and let the car do double duty. Don't think I've ever seen a Viper plowing the fields or even attached to some farm equipment...:))

If a Vette can do it, a Viper should be able to do it too 8190....:smilielol:



Seriously though.....GLWS

[MtnBiker]

Hahaha. Well, I know the group of owners here in H-town do not want me to sell.

I will likely part some of my mods out:

1. Catch can
2. 6 pt harnesses
3. Mopar PCM
4. Lowering and widening kit
5. Radio
6. Practically new set of race pads
7. 18" race wheels (OZ) plus wall mounting rack
8. Bellanger headers plus exhaust

[jasond29]

I think whats hurting you is 1. its not an ACR and 2. for 10k more you can be in a Gen V. I am not saying that your car is priced wrong its just the facts of the market right now.

[FLATOUT]

John I might be interested in your Harness. As for the car be patient.

[Junkie]

I think whats hurting you is 1. its not an ACR and 2. for 10k more you can be in a Gen V. I am not saying that your car is priced wrong its just the facts of the market right now.

This. Gen4's in the 50's seem to be selling.

[Murpowa]

I was going to comment in another thread on a similar subject but was hesitant. I suppose now is better than never.

Mirroring the poster above, when the gen v msrp was reduced, in all honesty, gen 3/4 asking prices should have been reduced 5 to 10k. There is such a small gap between most used gen 4 and gen v cars now that potential buyers are looking to make a deal on the latest and greatest. 50's seem to be the sweet spot for non ACR gen 4's

[Dman]

Try not to get frustrated. I think the time of year, which does limit buyers by like 40% or more, and you do have a unique car. Great mods no doubt, but for 1st timers all that can be intimidating, so many folks look for stock cars with low mis, thinking it's a safer bet, even though many times that's not the case. The price I'm sure is solid for the mods, but again the huge majority of shoppers don't understand all that and the value, or even the vendors God-like status that you've used, especially on previous gen vipers. That's my experience any way. My gen4 is listed as well, about $8-9k less than yours, I get lots of calls with folks saying they're just securing funds and will call back in a day or two to buy it, and never hear from them again, this has happened like 30 times, literally. I also think the market for these gens & prices brings guys just trying to eek into the viper so getting the lending on a used car can be tough too. Lots of factors, but bottomline, if you have the time, it will sell, the right buyer will see it and appreciate your very well thought out & solid mods, etc., but it's all about timing. If we were in April or May, both our cars would be long gone IMO. GLWS.

[MtnBiker]

Thanks for the comments. Agree that timing is not great.

[Steve M]

Mirroring the poster above, when the gen v msrp was reduced, in all honesty, gen 3/4 asking prices should have been reduced 5 to 10k. There is such a small gap between most used gen 4 and gen v cars now that potential buyers are looking to make a deal on the latest and greatest. 50's seem to be the sweet spot for non ACR gen 4's

This is my thought as well...when they dropped 15k off the price of the 2013-2015 cars, they indirectly did the same to the Gen 4s. For not much more cash, you can either get a gently used or even brand new Gen 5...if I was in the market for a Gen 4/5 Viper, I'd likely be looking to see what I could do to get in a Gen 5 since it is essentially a better performing, nicer, more polished Gen 4. While the mods you have on the car would add value to me, they likely will turn others off when coupled with the mileage and the rebuilt motor (even though you rebuilt it with better parts).

I think if you are going to get anywhere close to what you want out of the deal, your best bet will likely be to de-mod it and try to sell them separate, and then drop your price on the car a bit.

It'd be nice if Dodge/Chrysler would consider extending the $15k vouchers to Gen 4 owners as well to offset the market hit our cars took as well...it's never gonna happen, but I can still dream, right?

[Timnineside]

Hahaha. Well, I know the group of owners here in H-town do not want me to sell.

I will likely part some of my mods out:

1. Catch can $200
2. 6 pt harnesses $200?
3. Mopar PCM $600
4. Lowering and widening kit $250 for springs maybe $100-$200 for spacers
5. Radio $100? RB1 maybe $400
6. Practically new set of race pads $100
7. 18" race wheels (OZ) plus wall mounting rack $2200+
8. Bellanger headers plus exhaust $2500

What I added was quick sale prices on your parts. For even less you could unload them now and get more $$ if you're patient.

This time of year is difficult to sell a car like this unless you're willing to "give" it away. You have well over 5K in mods you can easily sell. De-mod the car, sell these parts and take that off the price.

If you can get the car below $60K you'll have a much better chance of selling it. As soon as these cars get over 20K miles it makes them much more difficult to sell. Also with the craze of everyone thinking they are going to snag a Gen V so cheap most are just looking at them and probably passing right by your add.

Make sure you advertise it well. Hit up the Alley, Craigslist, ebay classifieds (its free), Cars.com (also free) and also check out some Facebook pages for that stuff. The buyer for my 08 came to Michigan from Canada and originally seen the post on a Facebook for sale page.

Good luck and some spring/summer you should have a better chance.

[slitherv10]

I had my Convertible 08 for sale for almost 10 months at 44,000 US and I had no bites from here. I finally traded it in, got my 44 and saved 7 thousand in tax money, essentially making my sale worth just over 50,000 by doing it this way instead of selling it privately. Someone would have had a no stories clean 08 for cheap, but, just like you, I couldn't understand what people were waiting for. An 08 for 44??!! Common.

[FrgMstr]

You got PM on track wheels, tires, and rack. :)

[Ohiotj]

I think the miles are hurting the car. Others will say that it doesn't matter but I know if I am looking for a viper you can usually find any generation with miles in the teens or less.

[slitherv10]

I think the miles are hurting the car. Others will say that it doesn't matter but I know if I am looking for a viper you can usually find any generation with miles in the teens or less.

I could never understand that kind of thinking that we are all guilty of.

When we buy them, we want to drive them. When others buy them and leave them as garage queens we wonder how stupid they are for not enjoying the car. When we go to sell them we wonder why they wont sell. When the buyers come around we wonder why they dot want it. Am I going in circles here? Yep, for sure. Why? Because it just seems mind boggling how to get around enjoying your car and having others understand It when its time to sell it. Yet they play the same game when its their turn. You end up paying less for a low mile car only to have it depreciate as low as the high mileage car you passed up that already had the depreciation in the price. You could have paid less the first time and lost a little or pay a lot now and lose a lot later for putting the extra miles.

Confusing..

[RPM9000]

John, when I sold my Gen 1 I advertized it on Auto Trader. You can their basic ad with 3 pictures for free. It took me a month or so to sell it. A guy in Michigan bought it but I had another guy in Ohio that wanted it too. It's worth a try.

[johniew398]

I could never understand that kind of thinking that we are all guilty of.

When we buy them, we want to drive them. When others buy them and leave them as garage queens we wonder how stupid they are for not enjoying the car. When we go to sell them we wonder why they wont sell. When the buyers come around we wonder why they dot want it. Am I going in circles here? Yep, for sure. Why? Because it just seems mind boggling how to get around enjoying your car and having others understand It when its time to sell it. Yet they play the same game when its their turn. You end up paying less for a low mile car only to have it depreciate as low as the high mileage car you passed up that already had the depreciation in the price. You could have paid less the first time and lost a little or pay a lot now and lose a lot later for putting the extra miles.

Confusing..

I agree but when I was trading my 08 in on the TA it had 13,xxx and the dealer told me that unfortunately people looking for Vipers normally are looking for one's that have less than 10k miles. I still got a good trade-in price but selling privately I would have had to deal with the fact people think anything more than 10,000 is high mileage. I still don't care. I will drive my TA as much as I want and never worry about it's value. That's not why I have it.

[MtnBiker]

This is my thought as well...when they dropped 15k off the price of the 2013-2015 cars, they indirectly did the same to the Gen 4s. For not much more cash, you can either get a gently used or even brand new Gen 5...if I was in the market for a Gen 4/5 Viper, I'd likely be looking to see what I could do to get in a Gen 5 since it is essentially a better performing, nicer, more polished Gen 4. While the mods you have on the car would add value to me, they likely will turn others off when coupled with the mileage and the rebuilt motor (even though you rebuilt it with better parts).

I think if you are going to get anywhere close to what you want out of the deal, your best bet will likely be to de-mod it and try to sell them separate, and then drop your price on the car a bit.

It'd be nice if Dodge/Chrysler would consider extending the $15k vouchers to Gen 4 owners as well to offset the market hit our cars took as well...it's never gonna happen, but I can still dream, right?

The motor was rebuilt not because it had any problems at all. It was a last gasp by Star/Chrysler's Warranty group to fix what turned out to be a problem with the cam shaft sensor. Arrow tested numerous cam sensors and sent the rebuilt motor (with stronger forged internals including ACR-X chromoly lifters) back with two cam sensors that they tested on the dyno. So, car has a spare cam sensor that will work on this car. Rebuilt motor with forged internals also allows someone to FI the motor.


I think the miles are hurting the car. Others will say that it doesn't matter but I know if I am looking for a viper you can usually find any generation with miles in the teens or less.

As far as mileage is concerned, the car is a friggin beast! And, please show me any 2010s are out there for sale. The 2010 has improved tranny and rear diff. I agree with Slither regarding mileage on these cars.

[MtnBiker]

You got PM on track wheels, tires, and rack. :)

Sweet! Tires and rack are sold!

[ACRucrazy]

If I didn't have my ACR your IV would be one I'd look into. Awesome car to drive.

[Rizzo]

I had my VooDoo on here as well and no interest. I wasnt really excited about selling but thought if I did sell it I wanted it to go to someone on this forum. I didnt advertise it anywhere else. In the spring when I list it I will get serious and advertise it everywhere. To the OP if you are only advertising it on here then you are really limiting your market. I know quite a few other Viper owners and NONE of them go to this site or the other ones. A couple point as well. Your pictures show the car at a track. Some people dont want a car thats been tracked. Myself included. I bought my ACR and it had never seen a track. Thats how I wanted it. In my case and many others if a car has been tracked I just skip to the next add. If you're going to advertise it elsewhere delete anything that will scare a buyer away. Take some nice pics but not at a track. Dont advertsise that it has a new motor.Scares people off. When someone calls and asks the details then is the time to tell them this stuff but you can explain that it wasnt raced. You can explain exactly why the engine was rebuilt etc etc. Just my advice to get a larger audience intersted in your car.

[MtnBiker]

John, when I sold my Gen 1 I advertized it on Auto Trader. You can their basic ad with 3 pictures for free. It took me a month or so to sell it. A guy in Michigan bought it but I had another guy in Ohio that wanted it too. It's worth a try.

Paul. thanks for the feedback.


I had my VooDoo on here as well and no interest. I wasnt really excited about selling but thought if I did sell it I wanted it to go to someone on this forum. I didnt advertise it anywhere else. In the spring when I list it I will get serious and advertise it everywhere. To the OP if you are only advertising it on here then you are really limiting your market. I know quite a few other Viper owners and NONE of them go to this site or the other ones.

Agreed. I will post on other sites as suggested here.

[SSGNRDZ_28]

How many miles are on the motor rebuild? Might help ease some of the concerns about the "high mileage".

Also, how many miles are on the mods you plan to part out?

[slitherv10]

I had my VooDoo on here as well and no interest. I wasnt really excited about selling but thought if I did sell it I wanted it to go to someone on this forum. I didnt advertise it anywhere else. In the spring when I list it I will get serious and advertise it everywhere. To the OP if you are only advertising it on here then you are really limiting your market. I know quite a few other Viper owners and NONE of them go to this site or the other ones. A couple point as well. Your pictures show the car at a track. Some people dont want a car thats been tracked. Myself included. I bought my ACR and it had never seen a track. Thats how I wanted it. In my case and many others if a car has been tracked I just skip to the next add. If you're going to advertise it elsewhere delete anything that will scare a buyer away. Take some nice pics but not at a track. Dont advertsise that it has a new motor.Scares people off. When someone calls and asks the details then is the time to tell them this stuff but you can explain that it wasnt raced. You can explain exactly why the engine was rebuilt etc etc. Just my advice to get a larger audience intersted in your car.

Wasn't raced? Then what was it doing on the track. I think being totally honest and open will land you a sale before trying to hide an important fact. Bruce on here tracks his car regularly and I would buy his car with no questions asked if I was in the market for his car that is. That being said, the OP sounds like a decent guy who is proud of his car and what he has done with it and to it. These cars were made for the track an are more than capable of handling what the track has to offer with no problems. Tracked cars in most cases are better taken care of than some street versions. To get optimum performance on the track your car has to be in tip top shape or else. On the street versions many of us overlook small details and some of our parts are weak yet unbroken because we don't push the car hard enough for it to let go. On the track that same part will snap in two or break down quickly. Tracked cars also have better, stronger upgrades or have well worn in parts that have been used as intended thus properly broken in. Most garage queens need complete overhauls or parts will soon start to break down after a few miles or some spirited driving on the car.
There was an 08 ACR here for sale with cracked bumper, bald tires and marked side sills that looked beat up for 68,000cnd. You would need 5000 just to get it back to par. That is if there are no other unforeseen issues. For someone to leave the car to that extent without looking after it, it tells me there will be more problems coming soon.

This car seems well put together and the owner looks like he deserves what he gets and, what he gets should be a good price for a well looked after car.

GLWS

[viper_eddie]

I've been in the market for a 2nd Gen for about 3 months now but have been looking at Gen 4 models, as well. From what I have seen, 2008 models are selling in the 50k range. I've even found some for 52k. Yours is a 2010 so it does command a premium but you have to consider it from someone else's perspective. If they are after the latest and greatest then they will pony up 5-10k more for a new Gen 5. Yours also does show a track in the background and MOST buyers don't like that, in my opinion. The engine stuff might also put off some people who are not well versed or are looking for a completely stock car.

Have you thought about putting in on eBay for your stated price with a make offer option?

[Rizzo]

Wasn't raced? Then what was it doing on the track. I think being totally honest and open will land you a sale before trying to hide an important fact. Bruce on here tracks his car regularly and I would buy his car with no questions asked if I was in the market for his car that is. That being said, the OP sounds like a decent guy who is proud of his car and what he has done with it and to it. These cars were made for the track an are more than capable of handling what the track has to offer with no problems. Tracked cars in most cases are better taken care of than some street versions. To get optimum performance on the track your car has to be in tip top shape or else. On the street versions many of us overlook small details and some of our parts are weak yet unbroken because we don't push the car hard enough for it to let go. On the track that same part will snap in two or break down quickly. Tracked cars also have better, stronger upgrades or have well worn in parts that have been used as intended thus properly broken in. Most garage queens need complete overhauls or parts will soon start to break down after a few miles or some spirited driving on the car.
There was an 08 ACR here for sale with cracked bumper, bald tires and marked side sills that looked beat up for 68,000cnd. You would need 5000 just to get it back to par. That is if there are no other unforeseen issues. For someone to leave the car to that extent without looking after it, it tells me there will be more problems coming soon.

This car seems well put together and the owner looks like he deserves what he gets and, what he gets should be a good price for a well looked after car.

GLWS

Im not arguing any of your points as you and I agree on almost all of them BUT it doesnt matter what you and I believe. Its what the next buyer thinks. In my case I did not want a car that had been tracked and I know many others like myself that think this way. I think most buyers would rather buy a low mileage garage queen that hadnt been driven hard. I wanted to be the first to drive my car hard. We all know that these cars are meant to take abuse but the next guy might not know or think that way. Thats why I think take normal pics that dont show track use. When someone calls and asks about the car then you can tell him its been to track days. I dont think the OP should hide anything but its way easier to explain a track day as opposed to a potential buyer deciding to skip over his add because he assumes from pictures that its been raced. Just my 2 cents.

[MtnBiker]

MY CAR HAS BEEN TRACKED. Anyone could get on here and review my history and see that all over the place. But the comments are valid and appreciated.

As for difference between 2008 and 2010 they are numerous. This car has over $15K in upgrades, although I am not stupid enought to think I can recover any of that. I am simply asking for a reasonable price for an incredible car.

[XSnake]

I think whats hurting you is 1. its not an ACR and 2. for 10k more you can be in a Gen V. I am not saying that your car is priced wrong its just the facts of the market right now.
Exactly this

[Hamrhead]

Personally I'd love another GenIV, but I think it may be impossible to get the exact car AND deal I want - Considering the prices of a NEW GenV.

I bought both of my New '08 Coupes at great prices. Dealer wrecked the first one and it was gone 4 months after taking delivery. I moved on to my 2nd which I bought for 69K(91MSRP). Kept it for 3 years 3 months and traded it in. Car was perfect and had only 1,800 miles on it - Got 60K on trade. That was back in 2012.

Now here it is 2015 and GenIV's are that much older. Most of them out of warranty. In most cases significantly more miles. Prices (for the most part) are still in the 60's?(As Advertised anyway)

I can't justify anywhere near that price for a 5+ year old 'regular' Viper like I had(Maybe an low-mile ACR or VooDoo if I was in the market for a special edition) when a BRAND NEW 2014 BASE SRT just sold for 75K on e-bay.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/121525827074?_trksid=p2060778.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

And we all have read about the deals on the remaining 2013's. A new 2013 GTS is looking good to me if I can find the right car/price.

[Mazak]

I realize the Gen V has the limelight, especially after price reduction. I have not had a single inquiry for my Gen IV which is up for sale. Why the heck? It's priced to sell.

http://driveviper.com/classifieds/gen-iv/p689-2010-b-2fw-coupe.html

I think the miles hurt it .The price of gen V's are hurting it. Seems like after a viper hits 20K miles , the price drops rapidly. A lot of people like a factory, stock car and when one has been modified it hurts the value. I just took a $10k to $15K hit on a stock 08 that I had for about a year and a half and put 2500 miles on it. It was a one of one car, with less than 8K miles on it. A beautiful car. ACRUcrazy owned it before me. However, I wanted a gen V .

[Sybil TF]

Not exactly the best time of year to sell a sports car when a lot of us are dealing with snow or cold temps.





(Worst time for a sports car seller, best time for a buyer, come spring that flips...and gen v interest is a factor i would think.

[MtnBiker]

...........

[ACRucrazy]

I think the miles hurt it .The price of gen V's are hurting it. Seems like after a viper hits 20K miles , the price drops rapidly. A lot of people like a factory, stock car and when one has been modified it hurts the value. I just took a $10k to $15K hit on a stock 08 that I had for about a year and a half and put 2500 miles on it. It was a one of one car, with less than 8K miles on it. A beautiful car. ACRUcrazy owned it before me. However, I wanted a gen V .

Traded the VBB Aero in on V eh? Nice! Loved that VBB, it was such a nice car!!

[venomous08]

Generally these cars will take 3-4 months to sell. I know I went through the exact same deal with my 06 when I was trying to sell it. You have the right mods done to the car eventually someone will come around and make a deal. Good luck with the sale.

[Hamrhead]

Listed as $64,995 OBO. What would be your best offer for THIS car, not a 2008?

http://www.cars.com/for-sale/searchresults.action?PMmt=1-1-0&crSrtFlds=stkTypId-feedSegId-mkId-mdId&feedSegId=28705&isDealerGrouping=false&mdId=22363&mkId=20012&requestorTrackingInfo=RTB_SEARCH&rpp=50&sf1Dir=DESC&sf1Nm=price&sf2Dir=ASC&sf2Nm=miles&stkTypId=28881&zc=77449&rd=500&searchSource=UTILITY

I can't answer that as honestly, no disrespect intended, I'm not interested in your car for two main reasons. Too many miles and too many mods for me. I'm also not a fan of stripes on Vipers.

A GenIV that would interest me would be basically stock, <5,000 miles, no stripes, NOT green, yellow, or orange, and (possibly) still under extended warranty. Obviously not damage history as well. I *might* do 60K for that car, but I'd really have to want it.

[Mazak]

Traded the VBB Aero in on V eh? Nice! Loved that VBB, it was such a nice car!!

Yes, It was a hard trade.
http://i57.tinypic.com/23urcr6.jpg
http://i58.tinypic.com/sb4w74.jpg

[Sybil TF]

Too many miles and too many mods for me. I'm also not a fan of stripes on Vipers.

These mods are a big plus....imo

[Steve M]

These mods are a big plus....imo

As I said in my post, I too think the mods add value (at least to me), but I'll caveat that - when I bought mine, I was looking for a completely stock car...not because I was interested in having a stock Viper, but because I didn't know anything about modding a Viper. Now that I know what's good vs. what's crap, my view has changed. There are probably some potential buyers out there that are in the same boat I was, though, and just don't understand how much basic bolt-ons will wake up a Gen 4 Viper. 600 at the wheels is no joke for a streetable car that drives just like stock.

[Dman]

I had my Convertible 08 for sale for almost 10 months at 44,000 US and I had no bites from here. I finally traded it in, got my 44 and saved 7 thousand in tax money, essentially making my sale worth just over 50,000 by doing it this way instead of selling it privately. Someone would have had a no stories clean 08 for cheap, but, just like you, I couldn't understand what people were waiting for. An 08 for 44??!! Common.

Wow. Local dealer has offered me $52k for mine, so it's my parachute, but too low for me to take unless I was trading and getting th tax break, but that dealer doesn't have a gen5 to my liking currently. If only they had a silver base GT car at a deal, then I wouldn't be in this thread, lol.

[Hamrhead]

Yes, It was a hard trade.
http://i58.tinypic.com/sb4w74.jpg

Is that the one from Roanoke? I called but it had been sold...

Beautiful Car!

[Mazak]

Is that the one from Roanoke? I called but it had been sold...

Beautiful Car!

Yes sir. Thanks for the compliment.

[FastMatt]

Boy Gen 5's in white are SWEET!!!

[Chorps]

I realize the Gen V has the limelight, especially after price reduction. I have not had a single inquiry for my Gen IV which is up for sale. Why the heck? It's priced to sell.

http://driveviper.com/classifieds/gen-iv/p689-2010-b-2fw-coupe.html

clicking on that link says "ad is not approved." Might be why you're not getting inquiries...?

[Anonymous]

I have been following gen4s and it seems to me 08-09s w/less than 15000miles are now selling for 50k ish,gen3s are now going for less than most gen 2s.

[SlateEd]

GLWS! I think you're in a position where you have a unique version of a rare car, so what's already a narrow sliver of the market becomes smaller.
Then you factor in the mods/engine work which makes the car more expensive (legitimately) but you need someone who understands the car already to understand the value in those things so you've lost some interest from first-time buyers... as several have said patience is the key - there's someone out there who will want what you've got.

and as others have said, for those of us in the north it's pretty tough to think about driving a Viper this time of year, so it deflates the idea of buying one.

[RPM9000]

I want to ad something about Arrow rebuilt engines like I believe you have in your car. A couple of months ago we had a tune session with Torrie here in Houston. There was one car there with an Arrow rebuilt engine and it put out about 12-15 rwhp more than any of the rest of the cars. So performance wise there is something to be said for an Arrow built engine.

[Late Apex]

Sweet! Tires and rack are sold! I miss those. LOL, good luck with the sale and hopefully all the mods do not detract from selling it. No more Viper for you or looking at a newer model? Bernie should take it.