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VRYALT3R3D
12-30-2014, 12:31 AM
By: Steven Cole Smith, News manager, Motorsport.com
Posted: 29/12/2014 07:11
Rumors that privateers might field the team that Dodge built haven't come to pass.

When Chrysler announced days after the company won the 2014 TUDOR United Sports Car Championship GT-Le Mans title with a solid performance at the season-ending Petit Le Mans that the company would no longer support the Dodge Viper SRT racing program, there were scattered rumors that the cars could hit the track at some point in 2015, fielded by privateer teams.

Less than two weeks before the official start of the TUDOR Championship season – the Roar Before the 24 test at Daytona International Speedway – it appears the championship-winning Viper GTS-Rs will remain parked, likely at Bill Riley’s Riley Technologies shop.

Chrysler Group “still owns them, and I’m not sure what the ultimate decision will be – but the company is keeping them for now,” said a source familiar with the situation.

It’s obvious that the TUDOR Challenge isn’t expecting Viper back in the GT-Le Mans class – the “Balance of Performance” formula was finalized the day after Christmas for the Rolex 24 at Daytona, and the only cars mentioned were the Aston Martin Vantage, BMW Z4, Chevrolet Corvette C7-R, Ferrari 458 Italia and Porsche GT3 RSR.

Vipers remain in GT-Daytona

Vipers will, however, be in the field, likely with a couple of teams joining last year’s lone Viper entry in the GT-Daytona class, fielded by Viper Exchange dealer and race driver Ben Keating, with usual co-driver Jeroen Bleekemolen. After a disastrous start to the 2014 season when the team’s lone Viper burned to the ground at the Mobil 1 12 Hours of Sebring, Keating and Bleekemolen came back to win twice in 2014.

Though the GT-Daytona Viper GT3-R is based on the production car, it was developed and built mostly by Bill Riley, whose title last year was Team Director for SRT Motorsports. Riley Technologies, based in Mooresville, North Carolina, still sells the car -- $459,000 gets you a base car, capable of 680 horsepower, unrestricted, from the 512-cubic inch V-10. No, it isn't street-legal.

Of course, in the TUDOR Championship, it’s quite restricted, limited to 6,500 rpm, and breathing through a pair of 45mm air restrictors. That is the same as 2014, with the only Balance of Performance change being a mandated Daytona Prototype Crawford rear wing and a 10mm Gurney reduction.

So the Viper will live on in 2015 on the race track, and there is a 2015 Dodge Viper for the street, with a base price of $84,995, compared to the 2014 list price of $84,885. Power is 645 horses, up five from 2014. Will there be a 2016 Viper? That’s anyone’s guess.

SRT Motorsports seems to be history

And as for SRT Motorsports – well, there isn’t much left. Beth Paretta, Marketing and Operations Director for SRT Motorsports, left the company December 19. Ralph Gilles, an accomplished racer himself, is now listed as Senior Vice President, Product Design – he was President and CEO of Motorsports and the SRT Brand. SRT motorsports activities appear limited to Snocross sponsorship, and – through the MOPAR brand – NHRA drag racing.

There was also some backing last year of the Dodge Challenger entry in the Trans Am series, and there is presumably still some backing for the North American Road Racing Championship, long the home of Viper competition.

It’s sad that the Dodge Viper SRT won the championship, and then quit the series, but recall that the Penske-led Dodge Charger won the NASCAR Sprint Cup championship with Brad Keselowski in 2012, and quit that series. Those cars at least live on in the ARCA series, but apparently the GTLM Vipers are destined for museums.

Reportedly, all these cuts have been at the insistence of the Fiat executives in Europe, regardless of who does, or doesn’t fall on their swords in the U.S. Hopefully, Dodge and Chrysler will be back – in some form of motorsports.

http://www.motorsport.com/tusc/news/championship-winning-srt-vipers-will-remain-parked

Solid Red 98
12-30-2014, 01:14 AM
Yup, very sad news but at least the GT3-Rs will continue to run. I'm still confused as to why they haven't sold more of them considering how competitive they've been internationally.

2doorrocket
12-30-2014, 12:38 PM
I think the highlight of the post was "well, there isn’t much left. Beth Paretta, Marketing and Operations Director for SRT Motorsports, left the company December 19"

Simms
12-30-2014, 01:53 PM
Glad to see the Viper will still be represented in GT-D. Sad to see the GTLM cars will sit though. Who knows, wishful thinking, but maybe they may return somehow down the road under Dodge Motorsports.

XSnake
12-30-2014, 03:58 PM
Yup, very sad news but at least the GT3-Rs will continue to run. I'm still confused as to why they haven't sold more of them considering how competitive they've been internationally.
Rules packages in most series really limit the car. They got exemptions for Tudor series and the LeMans race.

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Who knows, wishful thinking, but maybe they may return somehow down the road under Dodge Motorsports.

Hopefully!!

Snakebit10
12-30-2014, 05:39 PM
Sad news. I would have hoped that a privateer with deep pockets like Flying Lizard would pick up the GTLM Vipers. I'd have hated to see them picked up by a privateer that could not give it the proper R&D to be competitive. We saw a lot of that post-Oreca which led to many casual fans of the sport thinking Vipers were poor racers because they just couldn't compete. At least they went out on top like their predecessors.

Stealth
12-30-2014, 06:04 PM
Sad news. I would have hoped that a privateer with deep pockets like Flying Lizard would pick up the GTLM Vipers. I'd have hated to see them picked up by a privateer that could not give it the proper R&D to be competitive. We saw a lot of that post-Oreca which led to many casual fans of the sport thinking Vipers were poor racers because they just couldn't compete. At least they went out on top like their predecessors.

I think the post-Oreca Vipers had problems because the Race Organizers (IMSA?) allowed the Corvettes to use the 7.0 L motor--Corvettes immediately started winning, balance-of-power rules notwithstanding.

It would be great to see a widely televised series where the cars--within reason and within classes--were permitted to run stock power.

This statement from the OP above makes me wonder how much power is left in our 645hp Gen Vs running on 91 octane:

"Though the GT-Daytona Viper GT3-R is based on the production car, it was developed and built mostly by Bill Riley, whose title last year was Team Director for SRT Motorsports. Riley Technologies, based in Mooresville, North Carolina, still sells the car -- $459,000 gets you a base car, capable of 680 horsepower, unrestricted, from the 512-cubic inch V-10. No, it isn't street-legal"

If 680fwhp is the "full monty" with no cats, headers, race gas, etc. then Dodge did not leave too much on the table at 645hp!

SA Heat
12-30-2014, 06:57 PM
I think the post-Oreca Vipers had problems because the Race Organizers (IMSA?) allowed the Corvettes to use the 7.0 L motor--Corvettes immediately started winning, balance-of-power rules notwithstanding.

It would be great to see a widely televised series where the cars--within reason and within classes--were permitted to run stock power.

This statement from the OP above makes me wonder how much power is left in our 645hp Gen Vs running on 91 octane:

If 680fwhp is the "full monty" with no cats, headers, race gas, etc. then Dodge did not leave too much on the table at 645hp!


You sure about that? ;)

http://www.moparproshop.com/inc/sdetail/1941/7340

Simms
12-30-2014, 07:12 PM
Might be a good sign if they are parked at Riley's and not CAAP or the Viper Cafe, Museum, etc. More wishful thinking.

XSnake
12-30-2014, 07:17 PM
I think the post-Oreca Vipers had problems because the Race Organizers (IMSA?) allowed the Corvettes to use the 7.0 L motor--Corvettes immediately started winning, balance-of-power rules notwithstanding.

It would be great to see a widely televised series where the cars--within reason and within classes--were permitted to run stock power.

This statement from the OP above makes me wonder how much power is left in our 645hp Gen Vs running on 91 octane:

"Though the GT-Daytona Viper GT3-R is based on the production car, it was developed and built mostly by Bill Riley, whose title last year was Team Director for SRT Motorsports. Riley Technologies, based in Mooresville, North Carolina, still sells the car -- $459,000 gets you a base car, capable of 680 horsepower, unrestricted, from the 512-cubic inch V-10. No, it isn't street-legal"

If 680fwhp is the "full monty" with no cats, headers, race gas, etc. then Dodge did not leave too much on the table at 645hp!

Post Oreca cars were forced to go to a V8 in Europe.

slitherv10
12-30-2014, 09:18 PM
Hopefully with the new ACR...hopefully, they may be redeveloping and bringing out a new better version that will out due itself.

Eachey51
12-30-2014, 10:02 PM
I hope one day to see a factory supported viper race team! I was at watkins glen this past season, and that was probably the best weekend of my life. Its good to see there will be a few vipers in GTD though! :)

GTSnake
12-31-2014, 01:19 AM
I think the highlight of the post was "well, there isn’t much left. Beth Paretta, Marketing and Operations Director for SRT Motorsports, left the company December 19"

+1 on that. She was the #1 reason the GenV had a bad start. I've seen more ads and commercials ever since Dodge took over a few months ago, than the entire two years she was in charge.

Fatboy 18
12-31-2014, 11:38 AM
If those old Vipers are taking up too much room, I would be happy to look after them at My House :D

GRNBGON
12-31-2014, 11:48 AM
I think the highlight of the post was "well, there isn’t much left. Beth Paretta, Marketing and Operations Director for SRT Motorsports, left the company December 19"

Big AMEN to that!

2doorrocket
12-31-2014, 01:21 PM
+1 on that. She was the #1 reason the GenV had a bad start. I've seen more ads and commercials ever since Dodge took over a few months ago, than the entire two years she was in charge.

Lol... I heard Tim went to town on her too prior to her leaving. But hey, I'm not one to leak internal conversations that resemble 'You had 1 job all season, instead you tried to take the easy way out and painted the cars red, and thought I'd take out of my budget to fuel your racing.'

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Big AMEN to that!

A+ Haha

Snakebit10
01-01-2015, 10:13 AM
I think the post-Oreca Vipers had problems because the Race Organizers (IMSA?) allowed the Corvettes to use the 7.0 L motor--Corvettes immediately started winning, balance-of-power rules notwithstanding.

!

I remember that but it wasn't just the Vettes they weren't competitive against it was the other big money marques like Ferrari, Aston, Jaguar etc if memory serves. I do remember some info about them running on worn tires because they didn't have budget to run good tires at every race etc. I hope this doesn't happen to the G5 GTLM's if picked up by Privateers.

Bruce
01-01-2015, 10:41 AM
Lol... I heard Tim went to town on her too prior to her leaving. But hey, I'm not one to leak internal conversations that resemble 'You had 1 job all season, instead you tried to take the easy way out and painted the cars red, and thought I'd take out of my budget to fuel your racing.'


SRT/Dodge should've canned her long time ago. I remember during the Gen 4 ACR launches, engineers would go with the car on magazine tests to make sure the shocks were adjusted properly for each test, etc., and she'd let the Gen 5's go out with mismatch tires and if the tires aren't even matching, the suspension settings could be all screwed up too.
If Dodge is on a budget and can't fly engineers out to attend magazine tests, why can't they just ask or contract certain VOA officers/members to attend these events for them, we have access to shops and some of us may even do it for free. I know I will.

Bruce H.
01-01-2015, 11:46 AM
Do you think Tim was so upset it took him from May to December to fix the problem, and the corporation over two years? Did Beth even have much input into the Viper's marketing plan or budget given her late addition to its launch, or any involvement since May? Wasn't she hired for her expertise running a high-end brand, Aston Martin North America, to help launch Chrysler's new high-end SRT brand? Wouldn't she be the last one to axe her own brand and hand it's world-class built and world-beating production car to Dodge?

If you think the marketing of the Gen V has been inadequate or inept I'd fear that the one(s) controlling the purse strings and marketing direction all along probably still are. She and others at SRT could have been unsuccessfully fighting tooth and nail for all kinds of positive changes and we'd all be the last to know.

BlknBlu
01-01-2015, 12:18 PM
we must have a lot of EX SRT employees here who know all the inner workings of that division to throw someone under the bus like this. Can you tell us about future products then?

Bruce

Stealth
01-01-2015, 12:26 PM
were the GT LM wiper motors based on the Gen 5 motor or the crate motor listed above? if they were based on the gen 5 and they can only get 680hp unrestricted then this is interesting information

XSnake
01-01-2015, 12:30 PM
were the GT LM wiper motors based on the Gen 5 motor or the crate motor listed above? if they were based on the gen 5 and they can only get 680hp unrestricted then this is interesting information

That is not a Gen V crate motor.

Solid Red 98
01-01-2015, 09:21 PM
As others have stated, it's a good sign the cars are still at Riley's as there yet again maybe life for the mighty GTS-Rs under a Riley run privateer effort. This article came out today. Happy new years everyone!

http://www.racer.com/wec-le-mans/item/112138-lm24-riley-aiming-for-le-mans-viper-return

Simms
01-01-2015, 09:33 PM
As others have stated, it's a good sign the cars are still at Riley's as there yet again maybe life for the mighty GTS-Rs under a Riley run privateer effort. This article came out today. Happy new years everyone!

http://www.racer.com/wec-le-mans/item/112138-lm24-riley-aiming-for-le-mans-viper-return

That would be awesome!

Stealth
01-01-2015, 10:44 PM
That is not a Gen V crate motor.

Not sure what the pronoun "that" means in your sentence.

If our Gen V motors have 645hp (after reflash updates from Dodge), and the unrestricted motor (headers, no CATS, 93+ octane, etc.) makes 680hp, then the risk of mods is really not worth it (unless you add FI, etc.). My car has an extended warranty so I will be very selective about making any changes anyway.

Let's hope Chrysler decides to race the Viper again soon.

XSnake
01-01-2015, 10:49 PM
Not sure what the pronoun "that" means in your sentence.

If our Gen V motors have 645hp (after reflash updates from Dodge), and the unrestricted motor (headers, no CATS, 93+ octane, etc.) makes 680hp, then the risk of mods is really not worth it (unless you add FI, etc.). My car has an extended warranty so I will be very selective about making any changes anyway.

Let's hope Chrysler decides to race the Viper again soon.
"That" meant that the motor linked in post #8 that you were asking about is not a Gen V motor.