Question About Gen 2 Prices/Market

[viper_eddie]

Hello all!

I've been watching Gen 2 prices for the past 6-7 months or so but only in the past 3 have I been actively searching as a buyer. Since I'm new to the Viper market I have a few questions for those of you who are more seasoned.

I noticed that most sellers are asking more money than buyers are willing to pay. Is this something that happens every winter season since a good portion of the country is under bad weather and those respective buyers are not looking as much? Or is it something that's been trending lately with Gen 2 Vipers, or all Vipers for that matter?

From what I've seen, stock GTS models are selling in the low 30s to 35k basically; ACRs are around 40k. Am I off in this?

[venum4u]

Yes I believe that is a little low, 30-35 R/T, 43-60 GTS, 48-60 ACR.

[thetalonguy]

It all depends... What are you looking for? A GTS or RT/10? Which color? What year? Super Low Mileage, reasonable mileage or higher mileage. Time capsule or a Driver? No mods, some mods or highly modded? Generally at this time of year the prices should be dropping a little bit.

What's your budget and we can tell you what you should be able to get with it.

[slitherv10]

There are gen 2 vipers from 30 -70K. It all depends on what your looking for and how much you want to spend. Each price year color shape and mileage all have to do with what the price will be. RT-10 with 80K miles and average condition will land you low 30's where as a GTS with high mileage will land you 3-5K more. Everything goes up from there. That's considering they are clean titles. If they are tainted titles like salvage or rebuilt, you can find them in the high 20's and early thirties again depending on mileage etc///too many variables.

[viper_eddie]

Yes I believe that is a little low, 30-35 R/T, 43-60 GTS, 48-60 ACR.

I think it's a bit low compared to asking prices but I'm basing my previous quotes on sold prices from eBay and dealers I've spoken to.


It all depends... What are you looking for? A GTS or RT/10? Which color? What year? Super Low Mileage, reasonable mileage or higher mileage. Time capsule or a Driver? No mods, some mods or highly modded? Generally at this time of year the prices should be dropping a little bit.

What's your budget and we can tell you what you should be able to get with it.

Well I was initially looking for an RT/10 because I enjoyed the open air experience of the one I drove but what I'm really after is an ACR. Color I'm not picky on just don't want black (I don't think there was a black ACR). Low mileage and reasonable mileage is fine. The 911 I sold had 180k miles and I don't want another high mileage car at the moment; nothing wrong with it but in case I ever need to sell.

Mods...this is where it becomes tricky. I live in California so technically, any car I buy that's modded should have CARB legal headers and stock cats. That's pretty hard to do so I prefer something that's not modded I guess.

The cleanest car I've found so far is a Red 99 ACR with basically every mod I would ever do: cams, ported & polished heads, bigger throttle body, headers (CA legal), high flow cats (technically not CA legal but it will pass the sniffer test), 3.55 gears and a few other small things here and there. Guy is firm at 45k and has had it up for sale for about 8 months. That's kind of my back-up; If I don't find anything in the next few months I'll probably just get that one. Ideally, I would like to get an ACR for 40k and I did miss out on a local 2001 model.

I also missed out on a 99 RT/10 that had similar mods for 32k...he sold it by the time I had sold my 911 and was ready to purchase.

[viper_eddie]

There are gen 2 vipers from 30 -70K. It all depends on what your looking for and how much you want to spend. Each price year color shape and mileage all have to do with what the price will be. RT-10 with 80K miles and average condition will land you low 30's where as a GTS with high mileage will land you 3-5K more. Everything goes up from there. That's considering they are clean titles. If they are tainted titles like salvage or rebuilt, you can find them in the high 20's and early thirties again depending on mileage etc///too many variables.


I'm not on a set budget, just trying to get a good deal and it just seems like they're not selling. I don't want a supercharged or twin turbo set up and that should definitely keep it under 50k. I like B/W but I don't care much for the premium so red will do.

[slitherv10]

Blue an White or nothing I say...;)

[thetalonguy]

http://www.viperalley.com/forum/viper-discussions-gen-i/183337-new-viper-classified-99-a.html

Here's a nice one (99 silver GTS) offered for $37K. Doesn't have too many mods and is a desirable color. It's not an ACR, but to be honest, GEN 2 ACR's didn't really have so many extras over base.

If you're interested in a RT/10 and red, then I don't think you should have any problems finding one under $35K.

Here's a red 97 GTS going for near that amount.

http://www.viperalley.com/forum/viper-discussions-gen-i/194482-genii-97-viper-gts.html

I'm sure prices are negotiated for motivated buyers.

[LifeIsGood]

...43-60 GTS...

What kind of drugs are you doing? How is the starting price $30K for roadsters and $43K for all GTSs?

[viper_eddie]

http://www.viperalley.com/forum/viper-discussions-gen-i/183337-new-viper-classified-99-a.html

Here's a nice one (99 silver GTS) offered for $37K. Doesn't have too many mods and is a desirable color. It's not an ACR, but to be honest, GEN 2 ACR's didn't really have so many extras over base.

If you're interested in a RT/10 and red, then I don't think you should have any problems finding one under $35K.

Here's a red 97 GTS going for near that amount.

http://www.viperalley.com/forum/viper-discussions-gen-i/194482-genii-97-viper-gts.html

I'm sure prices are negotiated for motivated buyers.

Thanks for the info, the silver one sold yesterday :)

[Sybil TF]

Blue an White or nothing I say...;)I second that! But, black 2nd and silver 3rd if i didn't find the blue.

[Viper98912]

Prices are all over the map. There are many posts on all the forums of people who are looking for and purchased $30k Vipers. Good for them. Makes all of us who spent more feel "meh".

But for the true enthusiast who wants this car because they want the car for them, they don't pay as much attention to the price. I paid more than $40k for mine, end of story. I felt like I found the right one.

In my opinion, good RT/10's aren't going for less than $35k, good GTS's for less than $40k, and rare/desireable ones aren't going less than $45k. Many of the upgraded ones (TT and S/C) aren't going for less than $50k. Just what I see and feel, only my personal opinion.

[PittsburghRT]

What kind of drugs are you doing? How is the starting price $30K for roadsters and $43K for all GTSs?

I know miles, condition, and color matter, but I think there is about a $10k difference between the RT/10 and GTS.

[Anonymous]

Mileage and condition is a 25% difference in price,you can pick up high mileage one for 25k.

[viper_eddie]

I'm not trying to pick one up for 30k necessarily, just trying to get a good deal. If that means 35 or 40k that's fine but it has to be the right car. I'm basing my previous estimates on what I've seen things sell for and it's definitely a buyer's market I feel.

The silver one from the alley link sold for 35k after so many months.

I want the car for what it is and plan on keeping it for a long time, however, if I can get a better deal by waiting it out then that's what I'll do. Was just curious to see if this is a seasonal thing or more permanent trend in the Viper market...

[braunstein82]

42k - 60k for a stock Gts. Damn. Sounds high. I will sell my Gts right now for 42k, shoot I'll sell it for 40k with no second thought. Lol. I researched them for 3 years before I bought. Values haven't changed much in that time. 96-02 rt10 stock 28-38k, 96-02 Gts stock 33-43k.

[LifeIsGood]

I know miles, condition, and color matter, but I think there is about a $10k difference between the RT/10 and GTS.

I've been on multiple viper forums for about 5 years now and the only people I know that think this are GTS owners/sellers. I don't doubt that there's a price difference, but $10K is ridiculous.

[SA Heat]

42k - 60k for a stock Gts. Damn. Sounds high. I will sell my Gts right now for 42k, shoot I'll sell it for 40k with no second thought. Lol. I researched them for 3 years before I bought. Values haven't changed much in that time. 96-02 rt10 stock 28-38k, 96-02 Gts stock 33-43k.

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[dodgestang]

Blue an White or nothing I say...;)

Premium pricing ;)

[otterbeinjumper]

Prices are all over the map. There are many posts on all the forums of people who are looking for and purchased $30k Vipers. Good for them. Makes all of us who spent more feel "meh".

But for the true enthusiast who wants this car because they want the car for them, they don't pay as much attention to the price. I paid more than $40k for mine, end of story. I felt like I found the right one.

In my opinion, good RT/10's aren't going for less than $35k, good GTS's for less than $40k, and rare/desireable ones aren't going less than $45k. Many of the upgraded ones (TT and S/C) aren't going for less than $50k. Just what I see and feel, only my personal opinion.

Couldn't agree more. I just purchased under similar circumstances.

[Vprbite]

There is something to be said for getting the car you want and when you want. Occasionally that could cost you a couple grand. If you said "I want a Viper. Any Viper. All I care about is Gen 2 and under 40k miles on the odometer." Then obviously you can just get the cheapest one out there. I would say, without having looked at Gen II values much lately, if the car is everying you want and clean history and feels right...as long as the price is within 3-5 grand of what the comps are then get it. Unless you want the car for the purpose of wrenching, having the mods done already is great. Obviously it's cheaper for one, and it's already ready to go. It doesn't have to be at your tech or on jack stands for a couple weeks when you could be driving it.

What I mean is if you don't get it and end up getting one that isn't quite what you want, how much will you end up spending to do a few things that you do want? And believe me, everyone gets the mod bug at least a little bit. But paying 4 grand more than a similar GTS with a few more miles on it or no headers quickly becomes a push in terms of money. And if you don't get the one you want, how long do you end up kicking yourself when all you find are abused, run down examples?

FWIW that 97 on the alley looks pretty darn nice. Good mods and low miles but still a driver. Though I know nothing of its history.

[viper_eddie]

The silver one on the alley sold for 35k yesterday; I contacted the owner as soon as I saw the link.

[My98RT10]

I've been on multiple viper forums for about 5 years now and the only people I know that think this are GTS owners/sellers. I don't doubt that there's a price difference, but $10K is ridiculous.

That's my observation as well.

[GBS]

I've been on multiple viper forums for about 5 years now and the only people I know that think this are GTS owners/sellers. I don't doubt that there's a price difference, but $10K is ridiculous.

Check Kelley Blue! Their values supposed to be on what vehicles sold for in a given area. I just checked KB on a 2002 in very good condition with 20,000 miles trade in value. So I entered the identical info on both cars.

GTS $45,260
RT10 $37,976

Values seem a little high but the GTS definitely is worth more. It's funny how people make comments with nothing to back it up.

[plumcrazy]

I've been on multiple viper forums for about 5 years now and the only people I know that think this are GTS owners/sellers. I don't doubt that there's a price difference, but $10K is ridiculous.

what he said

[MalingatorGTS]

I purchased my 97 GTS back in Nov. It is FAR from stock so I know many don't think the prices or values of very modified cars are the same as "stock."
That said, I paid just over 35k for mine and feel I got an outstanding deal based on the cost of the modifications already in the car. Modification wise, I couldn't build this car for what I paid.

The car has outstanding history, all fully documented with receipts for EVERYTHING!

Now I did see the car at a few different prices depending on the site it was on. All that mattered was the final price that I paid. As previous posters have stated, it really comes down to what you as a buyer want in the car and are willing to pay.

I did find several other 97 GTS cars, with less mods, if that's your thing in the mid to high 30's. There were a couple in the lower to mid 40's but IMO they were overpriced based on what else was on the market when I was looking.

[LifeIsGood]

The silver one on the alley sold for 35k yesterday; I contacted the owner as soon as I saw the link.

OMG, a GTS sold for $35K, that must be impossible according to the GTS owners in this thread, apparently they're worth their weight in gold...:devilish:

...and my roadster is worth it's weight in shit!

The viper is a very low number production vehicle (American muscle). It's worth what a buyer is willing to pay.

[LifeIsGood]

Check Kelley Blue! Their values supposed to be on what vehicles sold for in a given area. I just checked KB on a 2002 in very good condition with 20,000 miles trade in value. So I entered the identical info on both cars.

GTS $45,260
RT10 $37,976

Values seem a little high but the GTS definitely is worth more. It's funny how people make comments with nothing to back it up.

I don't disagree with this information at all, but I don't know any buyers/sellers that use KBB to determine what to take/give for Dodge Vipers...and bone stock vipers which I'm sure are used in KBB can be all over the place based on buyers wants/needs. Let's be real...a paint color on a viper is just paint, a blue/white color scheme is important to some buyers, but in the end it's only paint...blue and white paint doesn't cost more than red and white paint or yellow paint or steel gray paint. I purchased mine bone stock because I wanted to do all the modding myself, but sellers can't get the cost of the mods back when they sell it...so the prices of modded vipers can also be all over the place depending on how much it's modded, who did the mods (a reputable shop or the owner's next door neighbor) and if the mods have perceived value to the buyer.

I know I'm all over the place here, but I'm tired of reading about how much GTSs are worth over roadsters/RT-10s. Again, I don't doubt that there's a difference, but there are tons of extenuating circumstances when dealing with Dodge Vipers, especially GEN IIs.

[slitherv10]

I've been on multiple viper forums for about 5 years now and the only people I know that think this are GTS owners/sellers. I don't doubt that there's a price difference, but $10K is ridiculous.


That's my observation as well.


^^^^^^^^^^^^^^And the only ones that usually argue the point are RT-10 Owners^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

But on that note, you are correct in saying they are worth what your willing to pay. Color does matter if your looking for stock paint with no stories. If you want a blue and white or any other combo color, adding the extra cost for repaint may make that deal seem petty.

Get the color you want and the condition you want based on what you want to do with it. Save money on mods by buying them already there and spend money on a great steal of a deal stock one that needs them.

[GBS]

I don't disagree with this information at all, but I don't know any buyers/sellers that use KBB to determine what to take/give for Dodge Vipers...and bone stock vipers which I'm sure are used in KBB can be all over the place based on buyers wants/needs. Let's be real...a paint color on a viper is just paint, a blue/white color scheme is important to some buyers, but in the end it's only paint...blue and white paint doesn't cost more than red and white paint or yellow paint or steel gray paint. I purchased mine bone stock because I wanted to do all the modding myself, but sellers can't get the cost of the mods back when they sell it...so the prices of modded vipers can also be all over the place depending on how much it's modded, who did the mods (a reputable shop or the owner's next door neighbor) and if the mods have perceived value to the buyer.

I know I'm all over the place here, but I'm tired of reading about how much GTSs are worth over roadsters/RT-10s. Again, I don't doubt that there's a difference, but there are tons of extenuating circumstances when dealing with Dodge Vipers, especially GEN IIs.

All things being equal the available information seems to support that the a GTS sells for more then an RT10. When you get in to miles, condition, mods, color etc. they all effect a cars worth so the 2 models can't be compared unless all things are equal.

[Jack's GTS]

I'll second that!


Blue an White or nothing I say...;)

[My98RT10]

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^And the only ones that usually argue the point are RT-10 Owners^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

That's probably true... as it is the other way round for GTS owners :rolleyes:

Oh, my 100th post, BTW....

[braunstein82]

35 for a b/w is awesome price from what I see. There is definitely a difference in price between rt and Gts I say only about 5 k . But what your gonna pay is based on what you want and who has it and where it's located. I know of a 95 rt10 stock with 9000 miles for 31 i know of a 96 Gts b/w stock for 42 both local to me. I 'll would sell 98 silver no stripe gts 34000 miles for 39k. Just proof numbers are all over the place. If you give it long enough you'll find near what your looking for for the price you what in a close area. Just because people are asking higher doesn't mean they won't take alot less. Alot of viper owner's don't owe anything on the car.

[Sybil TF]

I paid $35,000 for my 96 GTS with 27,000 miles. Has about $14,000 in mods.Owner wanted around $40,000. I convinced him it was not worth that since it was not all original:lol2:

[Coloviper]

Condition and history have a lot more to do with the price than just Roadster versus Coupe. Coupes have held value well but seem to be a lot more trashed ones out there lately. Roadsters, there are just more of them and the prices reflect that. Me I actually wanted a Coupe but really, really liking this 96' RT/10 Roadster, more than I thought I would, love the no air bags, no roof, no door handles, etc. Really like the GEN II suspension and rear exhaust. Last of the dinosaurs!

In the end, a couple of thousand here or there means nothing when the quality of the car is there. Each will appeal to their own new owner! Buy what you like and enjoy!

To the OP, you get what you pay for so open the wallet and buy well.

If it was me, I would be snapping up an original, low number 1992 RT/10. They are going to appreciate and only a few made. With 25th Anniversary looming soon, everyone will wish they snagged one up! The ones in great shape with good history will only go up in value!

[viper_eddie]

I've decided to just wait it out a bit longer until I find the right one at a good price. I really like the local 99 ACR with all the mods and at 45k it's a fair price but I want a bit more of a deal. I offered him 43k but he's firm at 45k. As I said, if I don't find one that I want within the next 1-2 months I'll just pick up the 99.

I've found a few Gen 4s for close to 50k and that's pretty tempting; I've never driven the Gen 4 so I'm not sure how I would like it compared to the Gen 2. Yes Gen 2 is more raw which is what I like but I have to see if the Gen 4 is still "raw" enough for me.

[dodgestang]

In other news......1 more year before the 96 GTS hits vintage status is a few dozen US states ;)........I would expect prices to go up a little once that happens.

[Sybil TF]

I've decided to just wait it out a bit longer until I find the right one at a good price. I really like the local 99 ACR with all the mods and at 45k it's a fair price but I want a bit more of a deal. I offered him 43k but he's firm at 45k. As I said, if I don't find one that I want within the next 1-2 months I'll just pick up the 99.

I've found a few Gen 4s for close to 50k and that's pretty tempting; I've never driven the Gen 4 so I'm not sure how I would like it compared to the Gen 2. Yes Gen 2 is more raw which is what I like but I have to see if the Gen 4 is still "raw" enough for me.That's smart, That's what I did. Just waited and the guy got back with me a few months later and then we struck a deal. Just wait, he may get back with you.

[dodgestang]

I offered him 43k but he's firm at 45k.

If you made an actual offer and not a "hey I'll give you 43 man" as you were walking by it one day.....than that owner was/is a fool. There are two types of people.......those with "their car for sale" who put a price that is high, justify it mentally that its worth it to them, and then sit around and wait for years until some sucke...ahh....person falls completely in love with it and offers them asking price at which point they might decide to actually part with it......these are usually also the ones you see at car shows year after year with the same car and "For Sale" painted in color matching paint on the window in small letters. The other type are people selling their car(s). eBay and Craigslist has created a lot more "their car is for sale" types then there used to be. They all look at each others ads and drink the same coolaid without ever actually bothering to look at where the market is for actual sale prices and not just asking prices.

[VoodooRob]

I agree with Dodgestang, the seller who turned down a $43k offer on a $45K asking missed an opportunity to sell. Just like real sellers hate tire kicker buyers, real buyers hate non committed sellers. My thought is to pay good $ for a good product = a good deal.

[viper_eddie]

Maybe I should have been more clear, he's asking 48k and he told me 45k is the lowest he'll take. I went in person, saw it and told him I'll get back to him after I sell my car. I didn't even ask to drive it. The 2nd time I went (after I sold my 911) I went in person and he gave me a ride and I told him about setting up an inspection to see if it will pass with flying colors and if it does, I'll go home and bring him 43k cash. He lives about 25 minutes away from me and he knows I'm serious. He said he's firm at 45k otherwise he won't sell it. He's trying to sell it because he has a daughter now and wants a car the whole family can enjoy BUT at the same time he's not desperate for money or anything. Having said that, the car has been up for sale for 8 months.

I understand all that and I feel 45k is decent for all the mods it has but 43k would be more fair to me haha. Fyi it has smooth tubes, bigger throttle bodies, bigger cam (not 100% sure), ported + polished heads, lightweight flywheel, Edelbrock headers, high flow cats + Borla exhaust and 3.55 gears. The car is immaculate basically. Here is the link below, what are your guys' thoughts on the car?

http://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-sale/vehicledetails.xhtml?ownerId=68581823&searchRadius=0&listingId=357436461

[braunstein82]

See all depends on what you want and what the seller needs or thinks they have. Another example I started @ 42 when post started and down to 38 now. Lol. If you wait long enough he will come down or you'll find the perfect car.

[braunstein82]

And I'm firm at 38 unless you offer me 37500. Just kidding.

[GBS]

See all depends on what you want and what the seller needs or thinks they have. Another example I started @ 42 when post started and down to 38 now. Lol. If you wait long enough he will come down or you'll find the perfect car.

If you wait long enough the car will go down in price due to depreciation or up in price because it's a now highly desired classic. ;) It depends how long you wait.

[thetalonguy]

I understand all that and I feel 45k is decent for all the mods it has but 43k would be more fair to me haha. Fyi it has smooth tubes, bigger throttle bodies, bigger cam (not 100% sure), ported + polished heads, lightweight flywheel, Edelbrock headers, high flow cats + Borla exhaust and 3.55 gears. The car is immaculate basically. Here is the link below, what are your guys' thoughts on the car?

http://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-sale/vehicledetails.xhtml?ownerId=68581823&searchRadius=0&listingId=357436461

Those are good mods to start off with. Being a solid red ACR, I believe your offer of $43K is reasonable. I think $45K may be a tad high, especially at this time of the year.

But as you mentioned, you can wait it out and keep your eye open for exactly what you want.

When I was looking earlier in the year, I was looking at a local '97 B/W that a guy kept putting on ebay, but never getting his reserve. He was asking a lot more than I wanted to spend at the time. We spoke a couple of times and he finally met my number. I was supposed to go check it out myself, then all of the sudden he stopped returning my calls. Didn't even have the regard to call me and say he wanted more for it. Well I ended up unexpectedly coming up with a bunch of cash shortly thereafter and would have probably met him in the middle. But I said screw him, his lose. Then I came across my car which was one of my favorite color combos on a GEN 2.

[viper_eddie]

All good advice and I will wait it out. As much as I like the 708 cam sound I prefer an ABS car because I do plan on driving it a lot and doing road trips with it. And as previously stated a cam can always be swapped out much easier than retro-fitting ABS.

[Sybil TF]

He's trying to sell it because he has a daughter now and wants a car the whole family can enjoy BUT at the same time he's not desperate for money or anything. Having said that, the car has been up for sale for 8 months.

You got him by the balls dude, offer him $44,000 and go get that son of a gun!!!

[viper_eddie]

You got him by the balls dude, offer him $44,000 and go get that son of a gun!!!

That thought has crossed my mind but still not sure he'd accept that. He does have a set of stock GTS shocks which would come with the car, I guess those must be worth something. Still, even at 44k I don't feel it's really the right price. 43 is, at least to me :)

[DaveW]

Jeez!!!!!! He's come down 3k, if you met him in the middle, that's 45.5k. Give him the 45k and start enjoying the car!!!!!

[Sybil TF]

That thought has crossed my mind but still not sure he'd accept that. He does have a set of stock GTS shocks which would come with the car, I guess those must be worth something. Still, even at 44k I don't feel it's really the right price. 43 is, at least to me :)I would get it for $42,000....let your wife or girlfriend do this deal;)

[MalingatorGTS]

If you REALLY want the car, why not just spend the 2k? At 43k you would spend far more then the 2k and not get nearly as much in terms of modification as the car has. If you are set at your budget and won't go a penny over, I get it, we've all been there even on principles.

As addicted to getting the car I want, I set a price in my head and always think of padding about 5k into that number either because it has what I wanted or I know in the first year I will spend that to modify it.

[viper_eddie]

Jeez!!!!!! He's come down 3k, if you met him in the middle, that's 45.5k. Give him the 45k and start enjoying the car!!!!!

Well that's beside the point. Had he listed it for 55k does that mean we should have agreed 49k? It's about getting a good deal and fair market value.


I would get it for $42,000....let your wife or girlfriend do this deal;)

First time I went there I was with my girlfriend so I guess I should have let her make the offers haha


If you REALLY want the car, why not just spend the 2k? At 43k you would spend far more then the 2k and not get nearly as much in terms of modification as the car has. If you are set at your budget and won't go a penny over, I get it, we've all been there even on principles.

As addicted to getting the car I want, I set a price in my head and always think of padding about 5k into that number either because it has what I wanted or I know in the first year I will spend that to modify it.

I do want it but then again the cash I have isn't burning a hole in my pocket. The first thing he told me when we spoke on the phone was that he's had it up for sale for 8 months because there aren't a lot of people that have almost 50k to spend on a used car. I want a good deal and I'm willing to wait a bit longer; if I still can't find anything in the next 1-2 months then I'll go for it...

I just wanted to make sure I wasn't way off in my market assumptions. And as I previously stated, the fact that you can pick up some Gen 4 coupes for 50-54k is giving me something to think about. Don't worry everyone, I will get a Viper! That is going to happen haha

[Dajerseyviper]

I agree with Dodgestang, the seller who turned down a $43k offer on a $45K asking missed an opportunity to sell. Just like real sellers hate tire kicker buyers, real buyers hate non committed sellers. My thought is to pay good $ for a good product = a good deal.

When I was looking I had just sold my 67 Camaro and was literally getting ready to leave my house to look at a 2001 RT10 I was gonna buy for $33,500 when the owner claimed that someone gave him a deposit on the car for $34,500. I told him i had the cash and did not intend to leave a deposit and didnt need to wait a week to get the rest of the money, I was a legit buyer as they come and if the car checked out I would give him the agreed upon $33,500 on the spot. The asshole said sorry I took a deposit and the person would be back next week with the rest of the money..Im pretty sure you can figure out where this is going...

Long story short, guess who called 2 weeks later after I already had purchased a Viper...His car is still for sale for even less than what I was going to give him..The moral of the story, is if you have a really interested buyer, do not play games and pass up the chance to sell, the market is a buyers market right now.If I had not purchased a Viper already ,my new offer to Mr. Asshole would be 30K just out of principal for being a dick.

[slitherv10]

An ACR with that many miles in that condition STOCK would go for 40,000. That being said, with the tasteful mods he has on that car, you would be well over the 45,000 he is willing to take. If you find a clean stock one and buy it and then want those mods, you would be crazy to pass this one up. If this is the car you want with the right mods that you would put on your car, then go for it and don't lose it. If you feel that there are a dime a dozen in that condition with those mods you want, then sit and window shop for a while.

Is the car worth 45.....all day long it is....People who go out there and buy stock only to want to mod it after are not thinking practical. Buy a good clean well looked after modded one and you will save lots of money and no down time and hassles. Everything is ironed out for you and its ready for a drive.

I would go for it. 45 with those mods and if its clean and well looked after, its a good deal to me. If your dickering on 2K ten its not the car for you. There is no way anyone would pass on the right car for 2k, especially when the asking price is more than fair for what your getting.

Its like those TT cars that people spend and extra 50K on it and sell it for a quarter of the cost. People still try to bargain for it when in actual fact they would be spending much more and have to deal with all the tuning and fine detail of that car which on a good used one was already taken care of.

[Redsled]

slither is spot on with that car. A Stop Tech BBK is 4-5K alone. That car has tasteful mods that enhance the performance and looks of the car. I'm tempted to drive the 90 minutes and pick it up for myself.

[viper_eddie]

When I was looking I had just sold my 67 Camaro and was literally getting ready to leave my house to look at a 2001 RT10 I was gonna buy for $33,500 when the owner claimed that someone gave him a deposit on the car for $34,500. I told him i had the cash and did not intend to leave a deposit and didnt need to wait a week to get the rest of the money, I was a legit buyer as they come and if the car checked out I would give him the agreed upon $33,500 on the spot. The asshole said sorry I took a deposit and the person would be back next week with the rest of the money..Im pretty sure you can figure out where this is going...

Long story short, guess who called 2 weeks later after I already had purchased a Viper...His car is still for sale for even less than what I was going to give him..The moral of the story, is if you have a really interested buyer, do not play games and pass up the chance to sell, the market is a buyers market right now.If I had not purchased a Viper already ,my new offer to Mr. Asshole would be 30K just out of principal for being a dick.


slither is spot on with that car. A Stop Tech BBK is 4-5K alone. That car has tasteful mods that enhance the performance and looks of the car. I'm tempted to drive the 90 minutes and pick it up for myself.

I also have to agree with Dajerseyviper regarding it being a buyer's market, although slither has a good point. As I said previously my ideal car is a 2001-2002 because of the ABS. If it had that I would have bought it already. I did the math already on all the mods and they're worth a lot of money but I don't mind waiting 1-2 more months to see if an ABS car comes along.

[slitherv10]

I also have to agree with Dajerseyviper regarding it being a buyer's market, although slither has a good point. As I said previously my ideal car is a 2001-2002 because of the ABS. If it had that I would have bought it already. I did the math already on all the mods and they're worth a lot of money but I don't mind waiting 1-2 more months to see if an ABS car comes along.

Why exactly do you need ABS for again?? Is it to save your ars when your racing someone at over 130miles/h and you need the car to stay straight when you need to stop behind the transport truck that just happen to be in your way, or...is it in the winter time when the car slides from underneath you in the deep snow on your way to cars and coffee. I say your making excuses not to buy this one or are hesitant at the idea of spending this kind of money. No disrespect of course, its just the way I see it with your responses.

[viper_eddie]

Why exactly do you need ABS for again?? Is it to save your ars when your racing someone at over 130miles/h and you need the car to stay straight when you need to stop behind the transport truck that just happen to be in your way, or...is it in the winter time when the car slides from underneath you in the deep snow on your way to cars and coffee. I say your making excuses not to buy this one or are hesitant at the idea of spending this kind of money. No disrespect of course, its just the way I see it with your responses.

I think I discussed this a bit more in another thread. I'm not going to get into an ABS vs non-ABS debate but a few pointers:

1) I usually don't go faster than 80-90 on the freeway; I'm just not a fan of high speeds on public roads and besides that I enjoy acceleration more. So me racing at 130 mph is not going to happen on the street.

2) I plan on tracking the car occasionally...if you can threshold brake better than an ABS unit in an emergency situation then good for you. I've never tried it and I doubt that I can. If that ABS is the difference between me totaling the car and not, I will gladly accept it.

3) I plan on driving the car a lot and I'm not sure if you've ever driven in LA but there are many idiot drivers out here. I've had numerous situations in which I'm driving at 40 mph behind someone (at a safe distance) and out of nowhere they slam on the brakes because they realize they missed a turn. Or they decide to cut you off last minute. Once again, if ABS saves me from crashing the car then I'll gladly accept it.

4) There's a few ABS vs non-ABS threads on Vipers that you can read but overall, there's a reason why ABS is mandated on all cars. I would argue that all BUT the very best don't need it. While I consider myself a good driver (never been in an accident), I definitely think ABS would be to my benefit.

5) Yeah my excuse is the cash I have is not burning a hole in my pocket. The more money the car is the more hesitant I am to buy it since I have more options. For 52k I can buy a Gen 4 so that gets me thinking. Or for 70k my local dealer has a new 2013 base SRT. In the 50k range I can also buy a heavily modded 2nd Gen Viper with a twin turbo set up. Why not spend 10k more for 300 more horsepower? It's a slippery slope but I'm looking for a great deal. If that ACR was a great deal it would have sold by now instead of sitting for 8 months, unless redsled picks it up :). I'm looking for a great deal but as previously stated, if I don't find it I'll go back and get the ACR. I've only been actively searching for 3 months so can't say I've waited that long.

This thread was never about me deciding if I should get that ACR or not, it's about me checking with more seasoned Viper owners about how they feel the market is right now for all the Gen 2 models.

[agentf1]

Well that's beside the point. Had he listed it for 55k does that mean we should have agreed 49k? It's about getting a good deal and fair market value.



First time I went there I was with my girlfriend so I guess I should have let her make the offers haha



I do want it but then again the cash I have isn't burning a hole in my pocket. The first thing he told me when we spoke on the phone was that he's had it up for sale for 8 months because there aren't a lot of people that have almost 50k to spend on a used car. I want a good deal and I'm willing to wait a bit longer; if I still can't find anything in the next 1-2 months then I'll go for it...

I just wanted to make sure I wasn't way off in my market assumptions. And as I previously stated, the fact that you can pick up some Gen 4 coupes for 50-54k is giving me something to think about. Don't worry everyone, I will get a Viper! That is going to happen haha

I would go with the 45 if it is the car you want. Is it really worth waiting and continuing to look for another for a measly 2k. I see the sellers point with his 45 bottom line which is more than reasonable.

One thing I noticed with these cars is you get what you pay for. Once they hit 10,000 miles the price drops. You also pay more or one year only more desirable colors. The cars history also means a lot. And you cannot point to that rare case where a low mileage car went cheap because of something you are not seeing in the cars history, condition or because the seller is desperate. If you have plenty of time you may find that deal from a desperate seller but they are far and few apart, atleast they were when I bought mine. Nice cars are HARD to find and getting rarer and rarer. I would rather pay a little more and have a quality car and be driving it now opposed to waiting around and looking. But then some people enjoy the hunt more than the car itself. You also cannot compare Gen II prices with Gen III IV or V, they are totally different cars and different markets similar to not being able to compare 993 Porsche prices to 996 997 or 991 Porsches.

[agentf1]

I think I discussed this a bit more in another thread. I'm not going to get into an ABS vs non-ABS debate but a few pointers:

1) I usually don't go faster than 80-90 on the freeway; I'm just not a fan of high speeds on public roads and besides that I enjoy acceleration more. So me racing at 130 mph is not going to happen on the street.

2) I plan on tracking the car occasionally...if you can threshold brake better than an ABS unit in an emergency situation then good for you. I've never tried it and I doubt that I can. If that ABS is the difference between me totaling the car and not, I will gladly accept it.

3) I plan on driving the car a lot and I'm not sure if you've ever driven in LA but there are many idiot drivers out here. I've had numerous situations in which I'm driving at 40 mph behind someone (at a safe distance) and out of nowhere they slam on the brakes because they realize they missed a turn. Or they decide to cut you off last minute. Once again, if ABS saves me from crashing the car then I'll gladly accept it.

4) There's a few ABS vs non-ABS threads on Vipers that you can read but overall, there's a reason why ABS is mandated on all cars. I would argue that all BUT the very best don't need it. While I consider myself a good driver (never been in an accident), I definitely think ABS would be to my benefit.

5) Yeah my excuse is the cash I have is not burning a hole in my pocket. The more money the car is the more hesitant I am to buy it since I have more options. For 52k I can buy a Gen 4 so that gets me thinking. Or for 70k my local dealer has a new 2013 base SRT. In the 50k range I can also buy a heavily modded 2nd Gen Viper with a twin turbo set up. Why not spend 10k more for 300 more horsepower? It's a slippery slope but I'm looking for a great deal. If that ACR was a great deal it would have sold by now instead of sitting for 8 months, unless redsled picks it up :). I'm looking for a great deal but as previously stated, if I don't find it I'll go back and get the ACR. I've only been actively searching for 3 months so can't say I've waited that long.

This thread was never about me deciding if I should get that ACR or not, it's about me checking with more seasoned Viper owners about how they feel the market is right now for all the Gen 2 models.

After reading this maybe you should be looking for a Gen III or IV. If you just want the most Viper for your money get as new a car as you can. If you want a Gen II with its iconic looks and ABS you are limiting yourself to 2001 and 2002.

[viper_eddie]

agent f1, I sold my 993 so I can get a Viper and I definitely see a similarity between Gen 2 vs Gen 3, 4 & 5 as far as the air-cooled vs water-cooled Porsche thing goes. My number one choice is a 2001-2002 Gen 2 GTS/ACR and from then on I would say it's a 98-99 GTS/ACR. After that it's an RT/10 and finally 4th place is a split between all the other generations.

I failed to mention but I have a couple more leads on other ACRs so I want to see how that pans out before committing.

[agentf1]

agent f1, I sold my 993 so I can get a Viper and I definitely see a similarity between Gen 2 vs Gen 3, 4 & 5 as far as the air-cooled vs water-cooled Porsche thing goes. My number one choice is a 2001-2002 Gen 2 GTS/ACR and from then on I would say it's a 98-99 GTS/ACR. After that it's an RT/10 and finally 4th place is a split between all the other generations.

I failed to mention but I have a couple more leads on other ACRs so I want to see how that pans out before committing.

I will say there is nothing like a Gen II IMHO. You will love the car and the attention it gets once you own one. There is no other car with as much road presence IMHO.

As far as the ACR's go I would drive one before you make up your mind. They ride very rough from what I hear and the shocks can get VERY expensive if you are on a budget.

[Uncle Paul]

I would expect that at this time of year, Viper prices would be about as low as they would be all year.

If you cannot make a deal now, then expect to pay a bit more in the Spring.

Vipers are now more in demand than several years ago, when the depression hit bottom. Lots more money around these days.

There is a market price for Vipers. No matter what that market price, many are determined to get their car at a lower price to stroke their ego and provide bragging rights. Unless buyers step up, they run the risk of always just being a "wanna-be"

Hope you find the right car for you, and feel the money is well spent.

[slitherv10]

After reading this maybe you should be looking for a Gen III or IV. If you just want the most Viper for your money get as new a car as you can. If you want a Gen II with its iconic looks and ABS you are limiting yourself to 2001 and 2002.

This

[GBS]

I will say there is nothing like a Gen II IMHO. You will love the car and the attention it gets once you own one. There is no other car with as much road presence IMHO.

As far as the ACR's go I would drive one before you make up your mind. They ride very rough from what I hear and the shocks can get VERY expensive if you are on a budget.

I use to have a 2002 GTS and I now have a 2002 ACR. I haven't noticed much difference if any in the ride. If I were to sell my 2002 ACR I would ask $50,000 and might take $47,500. It's in immaculate condition with only 5,616 miles. I recently been offered $45,000 on a trade in.

[Sybil TF]

Why exactly do you need ABS for again?? :smilielol:I hate ABS and glad mine don't have it.

[Sybil TF]

I would go with the 45 if it is the car you want. Is it really worth waiting and continuing to look for another for a measly 2k. Can you spare a measly 2k? I'm poor....

[XSnake]

I use to have a 2002 GTS and I now have a 2002 ACR. I haven't noticed much difference if any in the ride. If I were to sell my 2002 ACR I would ask $50,000 and might take $47,500. It's in immaculate condition with only 5,616 miles. I recently been offered $45,000 on a trade in.

if you were offered 45k on trade in by a dealer that's impressive.

[GBS]

if you were offered 45k on trade in by a dealer that's impressive. $45,000 was offered by a reputable dealer and sponsor of VOA. When you consider the 6% sales tax reduction in Florida due to the trade in, its like selling it for $48,000. The Kelly Blue book trade in value is actually more for the car. Of course I've also gotten trade-in offers for less. As much as I would like to get a GEN V I would hate to part with this Gen II. I regretted selling my first Gen II. I'm not sure I'll actually enjoy a Gen V more then a Gen II. I don't have room in my garages for another car without getting rid of one.

[agentf1]

I use to have a 2002 GTS and I now have a 2002 ACR. I haven't noticed much difference if any in the ride. If I were to sell my 2002 ACR I would ask $50,000 and might take $47,500. It's in immaculate condition with only 5,616 miles. I recently been offered $45,000 on a trade in.

Sounds like you found your car Eddie. 47.5 is an awesome price for a low mile ACR providing it does not have a history and is in pristine condition. The only negative I see is no stripes and that is a matter of personal preference. I prefer stripes on my GTS.

If they were offering you 45 they would have it on their lot for probably 55.

[viper_eddie]

Sounds like you found your car Eddie. 47.5 is an awesome price for a low mile ACR providing it does not have a history and is in pristine condition. The only negative I see is no stripes and that is a matter of personal preference. I prefer stripes on my GTS.

If they were offering you 45 they would have it on their lot for probably 55.

Yes it could be the one, I'm already discussing with him and need to do a bit of looking into how much it would cost to ship it over here since I don't have the time now to drive it across the country (Christmas vacation is gone). Waiting on another local 2002 ACR guy to get back to me and then I'll figure it out. It's nice to have options :)

As far as stripes go, yes I would prefer one with stripes but that's not a big enough deal to sway me. ABS is more important to me :icon_devil:

[agentf1]

Yes it could be the one, I'm already discussing with him and need to do a bit of looking into how much it would cost to ship it over here since I don't have the time now to drive it across the country (Christmas vacation is gone). Waiting on another local 2002 ACR guy to get back to me and then I'll figure it out. It's nice to have options :)

As far as stripes go, yes I would prefer one with stripes but that's not a big enough deal to sway me. ABS is more important to me :icon_devil:

Grab it quick, not many under 10,000 mile clean cars out there especially for under 50. If red is your color you cannot go wrong. And you will be driving that beast instead of looking at them on the web. While some enjoy the hunt I found driving it even more fun. I prefer the kill. Congrats and enjoy it if the deal goes through. And GBS, you can wire my cut to me. I will pm you my account #. ;-) LOL

[agentf1]

Another thing you have to remember is that things can add up quick on these or any cars. You may pay a little more up front for a low mile car but you will have piece of mind knowing you are not going to have to replace anything on it and you basically have a brand new car. You can also put more miles on it before you hit that 10,000 mile threshold. I bought mine back like 7 years ago with 985 miles on it from Bernie and paid a premium for it but I had a piece of mind knowing the car was 100% correct.

[Dajerseyviper]

I also have to agree with Dajerseyviper regarding it being a buyer's market, although slither has a good point. As I said previously my ideal car is a 2001-2002 because of the ABS. If it had that I would have bought it already. I did the math already on all the mods and they're worth a lot of money but I don't mind waiting 1-2 more months to see if an ABS car comes along.

Ill sell you my 2002 RT10 cause I really might want a different color combo..

[GBS]

Grab it quick, not many under 10,000 mile clean cars out there especially for under 50. If red is your color you cannot go wrong. And you will be driving that beast instead of looking at them on the web. While some enjoy the hunt I found driving it even more fun. I prefer the kill. Congrats and enjoy it if the deal goes through. And GBS, you can wire my cut to me. I will pm you my account #. ;-) LOL


LOL, I don't count on anything until it happens. The fact that Eddie is in CA and I'm in FL adds more to the cost when you consider shipping. If I end up selling the GEN II and getting a GEN V it will be nice but if I don't having a GEN II ACR is great too. I've also been considering selling/trading in my Mercedes Benz and getting a GEN V and keeping the GEN II. I need to get rid of one car to make room for another.

[LifeIsGood]

ABS is a good thing. I was in the same boat when I was shopping. I had narrowed my search down to 2001 or 2002 Viper Race Yellow RT/10. Stock or maybe a few mods, but not modded out the ass. I found 2 bone stock 2001s VRY RT/10s available during my shopping period. I contacted both, one had 'numerous interested parties' and the seller wasn't interested in negotiating, the other seller was a sports car dealership that made the whole purchasing process a breeze.

[agentf1]

If you track it and do not have abs they tend to lock up the passenger side front tire from what I hear. ABS was a must have for me.

[Camfab]

It all comes down to how picky you really are. If small flaws are easy to look over, then I'd hold out and get the best deal you can. I was super anal about my car when I purchased it. It too had a few minor flaws, like a scratch under the side sill and a few nose scratches. The reality is that the cars are now old enough that even a low mileage car can have substantial out of pocket costs. Don't be fooled, stuff just happens, especially when you buy a garage queen and start actually driving it. As others have stated the post mid year 2000 and up ACR's had the Dynamic shocks that are going need constant service. As a note I have the early ACR shocks (Koni 2812) and they too leak. Figure rebuilding the shocks a must at 10,000 miles. Either way, you can't go wrong with an ACR. Make sure you check the door seals and look for wear marks in lower portions of the seals. They are a sure sign of door sag. Good luck!

[viper_eddie]

I'm not too picky but I definitely want something in good condition overall. There's a 2001 ACR on eBay that is selling for less than anyone else by a decent amount but it has a few small scratches on the hood and most importantly, paint is bubbling by the rear hatch window. I can deal with a few small scratches but the bubbling of paint bothers me too much.

I have a few sellers I'm working with and trying to see if I can close a deal with. I am aware of the dynamic ACR shocks leaking but I was going to do more research into replacing them with just different shocks altogether.

[mitchdob]

As it looks like you're in LA, if you acquire a mid-2000-2002 ACR, you should talk to Dan Cragin at SPT. Dan's working on my (2000) ACR right now. Some of the work includes rebuilding my DS shocks. His rebuild includes a modification to the upper seal on the DS shocks that fixes the leaking issue.

Besides all that, Dan is the best there is. You should get to know him.

[Camfab]

If there are any specifics regarding the ACR's you'd like to know about or have any questions, let me know. I've had two of these cars and have gone through them with a fine tooth comb.

[GhostStalker27]

If you track it and do not have abs they tend to lock up the passenger side front tire from what I hear. ABS was a must have for me.

Don't let not having ABS scare you. I track mine and never have a problem w/ locking the brakes up (stock brakes) as long as you have a good set of tires and know how to brake. Good tires are important with any viper but even more so with a non ABS one.

[DaveW]

Don't let not having ABS scare you. I track mine and never have a problem w/ locking the brakes up (stock brakes) as long as you have a good set of tires and know how to brake. Good tires are important with any viper but even more so with a non ABS one.

Yes!!!! This is so right. ^^^^^^^^ If you want the raw experience of driving a Viper by yourself, controlling the helm, get a Gen I or a Gen II '92-'00. From there on out each year becomes more driver-friendly. My driver-friendly cars are Lexus', quiet and need little skill to keep them on the road when I'm only wanting to get from one place to another...

[Dajerseyviper]

But if your ABS braking is coming on, you're probably not braking correctly to begin with, and locking up the wheels.

[viper_eddie]

As it looks like you're in LA, if you acquire a mid-2000-2002 ACR, you should talk to Dan Cragin at SPT. Dan's working on my (2000) ACR right now. Some of the work includes rebuilding my DS shocks. His rebuild includes a modification to the upper seal on the DS shocks that fixes the leaking issue.

Besides all that, Dan is the best there is. You should get to know him.

I've emailed with Dan a few times regarding some cars that had been worked on by him just to confirm. Once I buy one it will be going to him for any repairs/mods.


If there are any specifics regarding the ACR's you'd like to know about or have any questions, let me know. I've had two of these cars and have gone through them with a fine tooth comb.

Thank you, I appreciate it!


Yes!!!! This is so right. ^^^^^^^^ If you want the raw experience of driving a Viper by yourself, controlling the helm, get a Gen I or a Gen II '92-'00. From there on out each year becomes more driver-friendly. My driver-friendly cars are Lexus', quiet and need little skill to keep them on the road when I'm only wanting to get from one place to another...

I get your point GhostStalker27 and DaveW. The truth is I've only panic braked at most 5 times in my life and I think maybe once I felt the ABS go off. I drive pretty carefully but as I said you never know with crazy LA drivers. I'm not putting non-ABS cars out of the picture altogether.

[braunstein82]

Do you plan on upgrading it? If so how much. Remember that the earlier Gts engines are forged and can handle more power without having to upgrade internals. So I have been told. Also if your gonna upgrade shocks then kinda defeating the purpose of a acr kinda. Save money buy a older model for cheaper and use the extra money to build it the way you want. Only difference in engine is smooth tubes and it not forged piston, I believe.

[viper_eddie]

Do you plan on upgrading it? If so how much. Remember that the earlier Gts engines are forged and can handle more power without having to upgrade internals. So I have been told. Also if your gonna upgrade shocks then kinda defeating the purpose of a acr kinda. Save money buy a older model for cheaper and use the extra money to build it the way you want. Only difference in engine is smooth tubes and it not forged piston, I believe.

Not planning on upgrading much honestly; I'm definitely not a huge fan of supercharging or turbo-ing since the car has enough power, as is. Never say never, though :)

[Camfab]

Do you plan on upgrading it? If so how much. Remember that the earlier Gts engines are forged and can handle more power without having to upgrade internals. So I have been told. Also if your gonna upgrade shocks then kinda defeating the purpose of a acr kinda. Save money buy a older model for cheaper and use the extra money to build it the way you want. Only difference in engine is smooth tubes and it not forged piston, I believe.
The ACR package is more than just race shocks. It's springs, one piece forged BBS wheels (priceless), different oil filter adapter without oil bypass, five point harnesses, smooth tubes, K&N air filters, assorted badges. It's a bargain in the current market, someday the price differential will be astronomical. Also ACR's were produced from 99 - 2002, therefore they included what ever is standard on those years. So, 99 is forged and no ABS, 2000 is eutectic and no ABS, 2001-2002 is ABS and eutectic. As a side note, don't be fooled into believing non forged cars are slower. The fastest GTS time recorded was a 2000. Although as mentioned, if you plan on forced induction, the older platform is a better base. If you plan on N/A upgrades, my feeling is the later eutectic engines are tighter with a longer rod, and will make excellent power. Lots of choices and truthfully you can't go wrong with any of them.

[daveg]

Eddie, did you ever say if he has the Stock parts for the car?

[Sybil TF]

I looked at several, when you see a B/W in the sunlight you will understand it's array of beauty. Black was my favorite color on a car until I saw mine...

[daveg]

The reason (in my mind) the B/W is special is because it was on the first year GTS and they modeled the GTS after the Shelby Cobra Daytona...
I do like the combo though... Allot!

[viper_eddie]

Eddie, did you ever say if he has the Stock parts for the car?

He does not have the original parts; that would have been a significant plus to me and I would have probably bought it by now.

[viper_eddie]

I don't even want to write this because I'm probably going to catch some flak here on the Gen 2 forum...but...I found a great deal on a Gen 4 coupe. High 40's for a low mileage 2009 coupe; I just couldn't turn it down. No stories, no bs, clean car being sold by a solid dealer. I'm picking it up tomorrow. HOWEVER, this does not put me out of potentially ever getting a Gen 2 again so I do appreciate everyone's input.

Thanks!
Eddie

[thetalonguy]

Congrats sir. That's nothing to be ashamed about. We'll just want to see some picts. I'll just be jealous because you have nicer weather. I'm sure you'll run into plenty of brethren out there.

[Sybil TF]

I don't even want to write this because I'm probably going to catch some flak here on the Gen 2 forum...but...I found a great deal on a Gen 4 coupe. High 40's for a low mileage 2009 coupe; I just couldn't turn it down. No stories, no bs, clean car being sold by a solid dealer. I'm picking it up tomorrow. HOWEVER, this does not put me out of potentially ever getting a Gen 2 again so I do appreciate everyone's input.

Thanks!
Eddie What color? I almost bought a 2006 B/S .It was a hard choice.

[braunstein82]

Congrats. Enjoy all that power. Sounds like a good price too.

[viper_eddie]

It's red, I'll post pics tomorrow if I can during a driving break. I'm curious to see how I'll like its "modern" feel and if I'll get used to it. If not...I know of a few Gen 2s I can pick up :)

[eucharistos]

read thru the entire thread, glad to offer congrats, enjoy

[viper_eddie]

read thru the entire thread, glad to offer congrats, enjoy

Thanks!

Forgot to mention car might have original tires on it from 2009. I'm supposed to drive it back 1,000 miles...maybe I should replace them before taking off.

[daveg]

Congrats and enjoy. All Vipers are cool......

[agentf1]

Congrats, you will be fine driving it home on the original tires, just take it easy. Pics!

[Leslie]

I would, tires are 6 yrs old, long trip, yeh!




Thanks!

Forgot to mention car might have original tires on it from 2009. I'm supposed to drive it back 1,000 miles...maybe I should replace them before taking off.

[agentf1]

I probably should have been more definitive with my last reply. How many miles are on the original tires? If they have plenty of tread I would not worry until I got it home. If they have a lot of miles and are old I would definitely replace them. Just use common sense. There are plenty of Viper out there running around on original tires that are older than that. Obviusly I would not do any spirited driving or high speed runs with the car until they have been replaced.

[Vprbite]

As far as tires, I think it is better to be safe than sorry. But that's IF you can find some to put on where you are picking it up. IMO, 5 years is on the far side of safe and usable life. That being said, people do it all the time. Be aware they will be HARD and therefore easy to bust loose on cold pavement. Resist the urge to push it on turns and things like that. You will probably be fine, but it would suck to bang up your brand new Viper up on the drive home. See if Dicount or another reputable tire shop has them or can have them in stock for you when you arrive. Or, get the Pirelli deal and have them sent to the owners house and see if he will help you get them to the tire shop.

You will probably be fine, just be careful as you should be with any new Viper. It will be tough to resist the urge to punch it but probably better to just be a little catious. As F1, said, if they have good tread it is probably not a big deal. I personally would drive it home and not worry. I would just be careful and replace them soon.

Congrats on your purchase!

[agentf1]

I would check with JonB for pricing. I hear his deal cannot be beat.

[Vprbite]

Oh yeah, and Red is the color all other Vipers wish they were. This is a scientific fact.

[Camfab]

Great choice, can't go wrong with a Gen IV. Better car mechanically in every way! Enjoy your new toy

[viper_eddie]

Hi guys, I picked the car up yesterday and checked the tire code. They are from 2008 so that's no bueno. I called all the local tire shops and nobody had the rears. I'm taking it pretty slowly and driving carefully. They only have 7700 miles on them and the tread is good.

Here are a few pics from the dealer. I absolutely love the car, it doesn't have the classic look of the Gen 2 but the feel inside is still amazing. The power...well I haven't gotten on it that much except on an empty street or two but when I got around 4k the rear end started moving around.

Have about 700 miles to go...will probably post a few pics in the Gen 4 forum although I didn't take too many pics on the trip.

[BlknBlu]

if you are looking to get new tires, VOA Members are getting direct pricing from Pirelli and you save nearly 700 bucks, all you have to do is join and still put 500+ dollars in your pocket.

Bruce

[GhostStalker27]

Nice man, congrats. Is she completely stock?

[viper_eddie]

As far as I can see yes, completely stock.

Regarding Pirellis, I though I read that they suck for these cars. I'll look more. Still have 400 miles to go.

[GBS]

Hi guys, I picked the car up yesterday and checked the tire code. They are from 2008 so that's no bueno. I called all the local tire shops and nobody had the rears. I'm taking it pretty slowly and driving carefully. They only have 7700 miles on them and the tread is good.

Here are a few pics from the dealer. I absolutely love the car, it doesn't have the classic look of the Gen 2 but the feel inside is still amazing. The power...well I haven't gotten on it that much except on an empty street or two but when I got around 4k the rear end started moving around.

Have about 700 miles to go...will probably post a few pics in the Gen 4 forum although I didn't take too many pics on the trip.


Congrats, looks good!

[Sybil TF]

I like it it!

[Anonymous]

I love that gen 4s are dropping does anyone think about selling theres for one?

[slitherv10]

I love that gen 4s are dropping does anyone think about selling theres for one?

I actually sold my Gen 4 and kept my 96 GTS. I just didn't find the Gen 4 had that raw muscle car feel that the Gen 2 has. Both in looks and in performance. Yes its more refined and yes technology is upgraded but, that in itself means nothing when your just cruising around town. Its about how you feel in what your in. I feel better in my Gen 2. Everytime it was cruise time, I didn't have the drive to grab the 08. Maybe its just me, I don't know.

[gerch85]

congrats, I got my first Viper from that dealer

[Anonymous]

Thanks slither, I guess my gen2 a keeper.

[slitherv10]

Thanks slither, I guess my gen2 a keeper.

You know....as much as I appreciate all Vipers as they all do have character of their own, the Gen 2 will always have that raw originality that the rest will never have. In my opinion of course. The Gen 3 and Gen 4 cars I think took a different turn that Chrysler thought would make the car , lets just say for argument purposes, indifferent.

You have to change something sometime and they thought that was the answer. Nothing wrong with that as those Gens especially the Gen 4 took the car to different heights in mechanical and technology. Even with the dramatic difference in performance between the Gen 2 and Gen 4, the styling of the Gen 2 and the raw nature and of course the option to Fi the car via the pcm, kept it in peoples hands over purchasing a Gen 4. Other than the track rats and the ACR version, most chose to keep their Gen 2's.

Don't get me wrong, I think the Gen 4 is quite the vehicle as I owned both at the same time and unfortunately as I quoted earlier, I chose to take my Gen 2 out for the drives when I had the option.

Each to their own.

[agentf1]

I actually sold my Gen 4 and kept my 96 GTS. I just didn't find the Gen 4 had that raw muscle car feel that the Gen 2 has. Both in looks and in performance. Yes its more refined and yes technology is upgraded but, that in itself means nothing when your just cruising around town. Its about how you feel in what your in. I feel better in my Gen 2. Everytime it was cruise time, I didn't have the drive to grab the 08. Maybe its just me, I don't know.
I have to agree with you on this one slitherv10, the Gen II is just a special car to me and despite the fact that all Vipers are special none of them compare to a Gen II IMHO. The GTS just has a body style and road presence that no other car can duplicate. They broke the mold when they made the Gen II Vipers.

[GBS]

I have to agree with you on this one slitherv10, the Gen II is just a special car to me and despite the fact that all Vipers are special none of them compare to a Gen II IMHO. The GTS just has a body style and road presence that no other car can duplicate. They broke the mold when they made the Gen II Vipers.

I must agree also, I'm having a hard time letting to of my Gen II even for a Gen V. Even though I like Gen III's and Gen IV's they just don't do as much for me as a Gen II or a Gen I for that matter. I purchased my first Gen II in 2003 after the Gen III's came out. I must admit after waiting for the Gen III to come out I disappointed in the looks. At the time I was lucky enough to find a new left over Gen II.

[Leslie]

I agree! I would have never traded in my Gen II for anything. The ACR was about the only thing I considered, and even after my trade I was missing the GenII. I have to say because I track the ACR just was making more sense for me.

If I can afford it someday I will get another GenII!




I must agree also, I'm having a hard time letting to of my Gen II even for a Gen V. Even though I like Gen III's and Gen IV's they just don't do as much for me as a Gen II or a Gen I for that matter. I purchased my first Gen II in 2003 after the Gen III's came out. I must admit after waiting for the Gen III to come out I disappointed in the looks. At the time I was lucky enough to find a new left over Gen II.

[C.J]

Great looking Viper, congrats! The six-spokes are a fantastic looking wheel.