2016 refresh or 2016 Ford GT

[Policy Limits]

That would be an interesting pair to shop. Here's some speculation: http://www.autoguide.com/auto-news/2014/10/ford-gt-making-return-set-debut-2016-detroit-auto-show.html

Which would you choose and why?

[ViperSmith]

If the FGT comes it will be interesting to see the price point and if people complain endlessly what it is "for a Ford" like they did for the Viper

[VENOM V]

Now that would be an interesting choice, but only if Ford bulls-eyed the recipe of the GT. I'm pretty sure I'll stay with Viper, but if anything could cause me to wander it would be a brilliantly executed GT.

[mblgjr]

I dont see another FGT. The Ford bean counters never liked the idea the first go round.

[VRYALT3R3D]

Bullshit rumor.

[Policy Limits]

Wonder if it would adversely effect value on the 05-06 cars. They really increased in value.

[XSTAR]

Wonder if it would adversely effect value on the 05-06 cars. They really increased in value.

I hope so as I want one, not at today's prices. Sadly I think it's all rumor..

[theviper]

I think the Gen V is far more beautiful than the previous FGT. I'd imagine a new FGT will be in the same vein, thus, less beautiful. I'm a Viper guy so no, I'd never get a FGT, regardless of how "good" they are.

[FLATOUT]

I try not to speculate on speculation.

[Murpowa]

I dont see another FGT. The Ford bean counters never liked the idea the first go round.
Until said bean counters saw the last run of GTs sell for over half a million...

[IndyRon]

The Ford GT is overrated. The last iteration was a nice vehicle, don't get me wrong, but in terms of straightline performance and handling, it wasn't even close the the ZR1 or Gen 4/5 Viper. I know that it's a blower car and you can easily extract more power out of it, but honestly it's not that good looking other than the rear mounted engine with see-through glass and suspension components. I think that the next gen FGT will have to be more more aggressive in styling to pull me away from a SC 2016 Viper if such a thing is produced.

I think much of the love for the FGT is based upon the exclusivity, end of production, and the idea that it has skyrocketed in value.

[BlknBlu]

Mopar all the way. Yes I am a brand snob

Bruce

[viperdan]

The Ford GT is overrated. The last iteration was a nice vehicle, don't get me wrong, but in terms of straightline performance and handling, it wasn't even close the the ZR1 or Gen 4/5 Viper. I know that it's a blower car and you can easily extract more power out of it, but honestly it's not that good looking other than the rear mounted engine with see-through glass and suspension components. I think that the next gen FGT will have to be more more aggressive in styling to pull me away from a SC 2016 Viper if such a thing is produced.

I think much of the love for the FGT is based upon the exclusivity, end of production, and the idea that it has skyrocketed in value.

I respect your opinions and comments but disagree with much of it. The FGT is not only beautifully styled but for many of us the heritage of where it came from means a lot. Performance wise the car is very capable albeit maybe not quite what the ZR and Viper provide. Don't forget the ZR and Viper are purpose built, the FGT was built to commemorate Fords 100 year anniversary. I owned a 2006 FGT and regret selling it back in 2009, those three years were as much enjoyment I have ever gotten out of a car and that includes many Vipers including a 09 ACR and a GT3RS, the Ford just exuded exotic and was a pleasure to own. JMO!

[Drummerviper]

It's gonna happen. But, not with a big V8. Likely TT. Mid engine. Not sure of name. But, it's gonna happen.

[Dman]

FGT would be a dream true in my book. We all have opinions but the FGT is just perfect IMO. It's price and exclusivity makes it a no buy for me, I'd have to trackday that car and couldn't do it with a rare one. If they brought it back it would have my attention big time, especially if they did a trinity engine version, easy 700-800hp setup and an even better chassis and handling with those looks. God bless America, imagine if they did and we have US firepower like the viper, z06, GT500, Z28, and Ford GT. Of course Id most likely be selling my GT500 for another Ford, vs dumping the viper for it, but lord knows the price they might target.

[ViperSmith]

It makes sense for ford to do it and that is why I think it will happen.

There is stupid money in fast cars at the moment, they may as well get in on it beyond their "high end" mustangs.

[Drummerviper]

It will happen but don't know all details. Have heard it could be a $400k car which would not surprise since it will be more like a modern euro car and with nannies. They could just do the minimum production for the street to go race or I have also heard 500 cars/year.

It certainly should not depreciate the 05-06 and could make those appreciate (Like F40 and 50 etc. ) there are fewer and fewer 05-06s and many overseas. They seem to have leveled off a bit.

2016 (50th ann) should be the year -/ but coming for sure

[ACRSNK]

The Ford GT is overrated. The last iteration was a nice vehicle, don't get me wrong, but in terms of straightline performance and handling, it wasn't even close the the ZR1 or Gen 4/5 Viper. I know that it's a blower car and you can easily extract more power out of it, but honestly it's not that good looking other than the rear mounted engine with see-through glass and suspension components. I think that the next gen FGT will have to be more more aggressive in styling to pull me away from a SC 2016 Viper if such a thing is produced.

I think much of the love for the FGT is based upon the exclusivity, end of production, and the idea that it has skyrocketed in value.

I'm pretty sure your opinion does not hold true for the majority of car enthusiast out there. The Ford GT is in no way "overrated". That car is a work of art.

[Policy Limits]

I've several friends whom currently own or have owned them. One in particular loved it so much that it's the only car he purchased new, twice. Still owns both models this day. He's had exquisite Murcielago's and 430's along the way. But he claims the FGT's are the best and are keepers. I think it looks and sounds great. Very exotic looking in person, great stance. Love the manual transmission and three pedal component. Really is both a performance machine and a work of art. Next gen coming in at 400k would be a mistake. Mid 200's tops would be consistent with proportionate pricing to list ten years ago. I struggle with a purchase for a similar reason I hesitate with Viper: who services it? A Ford dealer? Yikes.

[plumcrazy]

love the FGT's

[Drummerviper]

I've several friends whom currently own or have owned them. One in particular loved it so much that it's the only car he purchased new, twice. Still owns both models this day. He's had exquisite Murcielago's and 430's along the way. But he claims the FGT's are the best and are keepers. I think it looks and sounds great. Very exotic looking in person, great stance. Love the manual transmission and three pedal component. Really is both a performance machine and a work of art. Next gen coming in at 400k would be a mistake. Mid 200's tops would be consistent with proportionate pricing to list ten years ago. I struggle with a purchase for a similar reason I hesitate with Viper: who services it? A Ford dealer? Yikes.

Yep. If I could only keep one/two it would be the GTs.

[Policy Limits]

If that happens give me the 650s and 458 by way of deed of gift. The gen I snake too. :)

[IndyRon]

I respect your opinions and comments but disagree with much of it. The FGT is not only beautifully styled but for many of us the heritage of where it came from means a lot. Performance wise the car is very capable albeit maybe not quite what the ZR and Viper provide. Don't forget the ZR and Viper are purpose built, the FGT was built to commemorate Fords 100 year anniversary. I owned a 2006 FGT and regret selling it back in 2009, those three years were as much enjoyment I have ever gotten out of a car and that includes many Vipers including a 09 ACR and a GT3RS, the Ford just exuded exotic and was a pleasure to own. JMO!

I see what you are saying and can agree with that. I wasn't around for the original car and how revolutionary it was so the nostalgia and iconic theme is lost on me...though I totally understand why it does mean a lot to others. Cars like the Ferrari F50 and original Viper have that effect on me.

If looking from a pure styling standpoint, front-view, the car (to me) is both ugly and extremely functional. The body doesn't fully hide the front tires and has a bit of a plymouth superbird look. It's not pleasant to look at but no doubt is extremely functional in reducing the Cd and frontal area which makes it worthwhile (and why they did it on the original cars).


I'm pretty sure your opinion does not hold true for the majority of car enthusiast out there. The Ford GT is in no way "overrated". That car is a work of art.

I didn't get where I'm at today buying into or following the majority, so I'm ok with that. Just my opinion since we are discussing the topic, though I can appreciate other folks liking it.

[viperdan]

I see what you are saying and can agree with that. I wasn't around for the original car and how revolutionary it was so the nostalgia and iconic theme is lost on me...though I totally understand why it does mean a lot to others. Cars like the Ferrari F50 and original Viper have that effect on me.

If looking from a pure styling standpoint, front-view, the car (to me) is both ugly and extremely functional. The body doesn't fully hide the front tires and has a bit of a plymouth superbird look. It's not pleasant to look at but no doubt is extremely functional in reducing the Cd and frontal area which makes it worthwhile (and why they did it on the original cars).

Thanks for your response! You bring up a good point as to the original aero thoughts back then, could you imagine if they developed that car today as a new entity how it might look? WOW would be my reaction I'm quite sure. Remember they thought a Cobra was aero friendly back in the 60's, I appreciate your comment about the early Gen V and the F40/50.

[Drummerviper]

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I see what you are saying and can agree with that. I wasn't around for the original car and how revolutionary it was so the nostalgia and iconic theme is lost on me...though I totally understand why it does mean a lot to others. Cars like the Ferrari F50 and original Viper have that effect on me.

If looking from a pure styling standpoint, front-view, the car (to me) is both ugly and extremely functional. The body doesn't fully hide the front tires and has a bit of a plymouth superbird look. It's not pleasant to look at but no doubt is extremely functional in reducing the Cd and frontal area which makes it worthwhile (and why they did it on the original cars).




I didn't get where I'm at today buying into or following the majority, so I'm ok with that. Just my opinion since we are discussing the topic, though I can appreciate other folks liking it.

There are folks who don't like the looks of the GT, but I have to admit the Superbird analogy is a first for me. And, not trying to be a wise ass, but genuinely interested where did you get to? ("Didn't get to where I am today..")

[Track Pack]

I always loved the FGT and considered selling my 02 FE GTS and C6z back in 2007 but didn't pull the trigger. I will stick with Viper but really hope it happens. If both cars were to happen same model year, the road test and mag comparisons will be very enjoyable. I can see it being incredibly great press for the Viper, as opposed to less press if a SC Viper happens without a FGT. Stories including both cars could bring new potential buyers who might otherwise overlook a story on a higher HP snake.

[Policy Limits]

Now you're talkin.

[TrackAire]

It's gonna happen. But, not with a big V8. Likely TT. Mid engine. Not sure of name. But, it's gonna happen.

Unfortunately the 2005-2006 Ford GT has set the bar very high when it comes to "horsepower" figures that people read about on Texas Mile cars, Mojave Mile, etc. A Ford pulley and tune and your right around 650 hp. Guys going to bigger Whipples with all the other upgrades are at an easy 800 hp. Then the twin turbo guys are 1200 hp and up....the general public has no idea of what it takes (especially money and how much of it) to build a FGT than can go 250 mph or more in the mile. They just see that giant horsepower number expect all FGT's can do that.

If Ford puts in a TT V6 or something that can't get over 600 hp, I think they'll end up with a Gen 5 debacle...."what, only a 50 hp boost over the original???" They really need to make sure it's twin turbo, preferably a V8 and over 700 hp at minimum.

Lets hope Ford does go forward with a new FGT....it will only help push the other manufacturers to come out with better products that we all get to enjoy.

[Policy Limits]

Good points. Even as is u will recall the sales dilemma at the time. Viper is going to pull through too. Move existing inventory with the incentives and reductions-its working. Then limit production and for God's sake build cars clients have money down on. Follow this formula and in 5-10 years the gen V might ho from unsold and unwanted to a valuable collector item exactly like what happened to FGT. The ACR cars and mamba cars will be great collector items too.

[ACRSNK]

I see what you are saying and can agree with that. I wasn't around for the original car and how revolutionary it was so the nostalgia and iconic theme is lost on me...though I totally understand why it does mean a lot to others. Cars like the Ferrari F50 and original Viper have that effect on me.

If looking from a pure styling standpoint, front-view, the car (to me) is both ugly and extremely functional. The body doesn't fully hide the front tires and has a bit of a plymouth superbird look. It's not pleasant to look at but no doubt is extremely functional in reducing the Cd and frontal area which makes it worthwhile (and why they did it on the original cars).



I didn't get where I'm at today buying into or following the majority, so I'm ok with that. Just my opinion since we are discussing the topic, though I can appreciate other folks liking it.

Glad you are where you are, wherever that is, but I still think you are way off on your assessment of the FGT. That car is worthy of all the praise it has had bestowed upon it and then some. There will always be something that is newer and performs "better", but I don't think that takes anything away from the FGT. Any car guy, whether they are a Ford fan or not has to respect that car for what it is.

[HobokenViper]

I see what you are saying and can agree with that. I wasn't around for the original car and how revolutionary it was so the nostalgia and iconic theme is lost on me...though I totally understand why it does mean a lot to others. Cars like the Ferrari F50 and original Viper have that effect on me.

If looking from a pure styling standpoint, front-view, the car (to me) is both ugly and extremely functional. The body doesn't fully hide the front tires and has a bit of a plymouth superbird look. It's not pleasant to look at but no doubt is extremely functional in reducing the Cd and frontal area which makes it worthwhile (and why they did it on the original cars).



I didn't get where I'm at today buying into or following the majority, so I'm ok with that. Just my opinion since we are discussing the topic, though I can appreciate other folks liking it.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion, and I respect yours. But I do have to say that generally I find that any Ford GT is the star of any car show it is in, and most Viper guys I know tend to also love the Ford. It's about the most exotic car that's ever come out of America, with the Viper right behind it. The styling is as aggressive as any Lamborghini, and it is an absolute work of art inside and out with such an amazing level of detail applied to every part of the car. I'm not arguing with you at all, because opinions can't be wrong since they are simply personal taste. But you can't deny that it's considered by most to be the most exotic and amazing production car of its time (and arguably even to date) to come out of this country.

[Drummerviper]

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Everyone is entitled to their opinion, and I respect yours. But I do have to say that generally I find that any Ford GT is the star of any car show it is in, and most Viper guys I know tend to also love the Ford. It's about the most exotic car that's ever come out of America, with the Viper right behind it. The styling is as aggressive as any Lamborghini, and it is an absolute work of art inside and out with such an amazing level of detail applied to every part of the car. I'm not arguing with you at all, because opinions can't be wrong since they are simply personal taste. But you can't deny that it's considered by most to be the most exotic and amazing production car of its time (and arguably even to date) to come out of this country.

Excellent as well as trackaire. They talked about the 16 today on TV-- Ecoboost etc. it's gonna happen. Take it to the bank. The previous close calls over the years I never believed in but I have good reason to know this will happen.

[Policy Limits]

It was on Facebook so it must be true.

[IndyRon]

Everyone is entitled to their opinion, and I respect yours. But I do have to say that generally I find that any Ford GT is the star of any car show it is in, and most Viper guys I know tend to also love the Ford. It's about the most exotic car that's ever come out of America, with the Viper right behind it. The styling is as aggressive as any Lamborghini, and it is an absolute work of art inside and out with such an amazing level of detail applied to every part of the car. I'm not arguing with you at all, because opinions can't be wrong since they are simply personal taste. But you can't deny that it's considered by most to be the most exotic and amazing production car of its time (and arguably even to date) to come out of this country.

You are right, its definitely a NICE ride. That said, they were readily available in '04-06 for MSRP or close to it. Recently, they just had 2 pop up for sale on 6speedonline.com for 499k and 599k respectively. I just don't see it. That is a LOT of $$ for that car. What has changed the perception of value over the past 8 years that makes it worth 4-5x as much now used as they were new? Again, I really like the car but nostalgia and history aside, you park one next to an Aventador with $200k on the seat and say pick one....I just can't see picking the GT.

[ViperSmith]

The collector market doesnt make sense. Trying to rationalize it will drive you crazy.

[Drummerviper]

You are right, its definitely a NICE ride. That said, they were readily available in '04-06 for MSRP or close to it. Recently, they just had 2 pop up for sale on 6speedonline.com for 499k and 599k respectively. I just don't see it. That is a LOT of $$ for that car. What has changed the perception of value over the past 8 years that makes it worth 4-5x as much now used as they were new? Again, I really like the car but nostalgia and history aside, you park one next to an Aventador with $200k on the seat and say pick one....I just can't see picking the GT.

Digging deeper . Have you driven an Aventator?? Forget the funky, boxy ends, it drives like an Audi. I have two friends who sold theirs within 6 months. I test drove it and I went straight to the 650S which I still don't like as much as the 8 year old GT.

[Policy Limits]

1/2 mill maybe for a heritage one. I think u can still find a regular 4 option one for around 1/4 mill. Aventador is crazy cool in the looks dept and a 2012 model with low miles is "down" in the 360's. But guys complained about clunky single clutch gearbox in early builds. I've driven the new dual clutch lambo and it's so refined that in strada u feel like you're just driving a car. I really want to like it because I can afford the Huracan and can't afford or justify a speciale or 650s current price tag. Bringing back the stick ain't happening so maybe if they make a hardcore variant like a superleggera or performante it might work better. Best bang for the buck is still the Viper. Z06 is right up there with it but loaded up its still 100k and closely resembles the mass produced one 1/2 it's price. If FGT returns I hope the stick is at least an option. If Z06, Hellcat and Viper can make it available so can't Ford.

[Snakebit10]

Great to see a return of the icon. The automotive landscape will be that much better for having it imho. So much history and mystique surrounding this name and car. I would think that with a 660hp Mustang in play at the moment, any FGT revival will most definitely be in the deep 700hp territory unless Ford wants to go after Ferrari's best again and delivers a La Ferrari competitor instead. Either scenario is enjoyable to think about even if the bean counters puts the kibosh on its revival.

[TrackAire]

1/2 mill maybe for a heritage one. I think u can still find a regular 4 option one for around 1/4 mill. Aventador is crazy cool in the looks dept and a 2012 model with low miles is "down" in the 360's. But guys complained about clunky single clutch gearbox in early builds. I've driven the new dual clutch lambo and it's so refined that in strada u feel like you're just driving a car. I really want to like it because I can afford the Huracan and can't afford or justify a speciale or 650s current price tag. Bringing back the stick ain't happening so maybe if they make a hardcore variant like a superleggera or performante it might work better. Best bang for the buck is still the Viper. Z06 is right up there with it but loaded up its still 100k and closely resembles the mass produced one 1/2 it's price. If FGT returns I hope the stick is at least an option. If Z06, Hellcat and Viper can make it available so can't Ford.

Here is the problem with the 2005-2006 FGT.....let's say you buy one for $250k. The car is pretty epic from a visual and attention getting standpoint, has great driver feel lots of history and is super easy to mod. If you really, really love it and never want to get rid of it, can you see yourself only owning a FGT and not selling it when the next great super car comes out that you want?

Dropping a quarter million bucks on a car is doable if you sell it and use its equity to buy the next super car on your wish list. But, if you want to keep the FGT forever, it does complicate future purchases if finances aren't there for more than one super car.

[viperdan]

I will say this, the current prices for a FGT have been fabricated by the sellers and the buyers have bought in. I could see the car holding it's original value or even increasing slightly but the $'s they are increasing only 8 years after the production run stopped is not normal market correction. They built 4k FGT's in 2 years, the numbers they have increased should be in order 30 years from now, NOT NOW! All that said the car is awesome, btw check out one of these non Ford built GT's for 100-150k.

http://www.cobracountry.com/home5-GT40sForSale.html

And my car pulling a 160 plus back in the day. Boring vid but you can appreciate how hard that car pulls once the s/c starts working.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F08LlZD_wHw

[IndyRon]

Digging deeper . Have you driven an Aventator?? Forget the funky, boxy ends, it drives like an Audi. I have two friends who sold theirs within 6 months. I test drove it and I went straight to the 650S which I still don't like as much as the 8 year old GT.

No, I have not. I've heard similar things from others regarding the Aventador and the clutch. Then again, I drive an ACR so I doubt much will be less forgiving than it. I find the styling stunning on it.

Curious, what is it about the two that brings you back to the GT over the 650?

[Policy Limits]

Here is the problem with the 2005-2006 FGT.....let's say you buy one for $250k. The car is pretty epic from a visual and attention getting standpoint, has great driver feel lots of history and is super easy to mod. If you really, really love it and never want to get rid of it, can you see yourself only owning a FGT and not selling it when the next great super car comes out that you want?

Dropping a quarter million bucks on a car is doable if you sell it and use its equity to buy the next super car on your wish list. But, if you want to keep the FGT forever, it does complicate future purchases if finances aren't there for more than one super car.
True but the handful of owners I know with them have several other vehicles as well. But your point is well taken if you could only have one supercar. I bought my new Viper one month after I bought my new Maserati...and lived to tell about it. Close call as I purchased the Maserati for myself on mothers day. Lol

[Drummerviper]

No, I have not. I've heard similar things from others regarding the Aventador and the clutch. Then again, I drive an ACR so I doubt much will be less forgiving than it. I find the styling stunning on it.

Curious, what is it about the two that brings you back to the GT over the 650?

Many guys I know who have GTs, also have the latest hot car. One buddy just picked up a Huracan. He previously had and sold numerous ferraris and Macs. In the last year I have had a 12C, C7 Vette, 650 etc. I have had 3 GTs and kick myself for selling one of them.

Hard to describe just a great American car that still competes 8 years later with everything out there. Still the car to beat at Texas mile, etc. . Before I had a GT I had 7 Vipers ( and 4 after) I'll never forget the first drive in the Gt -- it was like, "holy sh$t where has this been all my life".

I remember telling Jon B I was buying a GT. He said " man, you are about to get spoiled". I still keep my 92 Viper and had several gen 2, 3 and 4s. The 5 I am sure is great but disappointed me so I cancelled. When I go in the garage snd see the 92 I still get that feeling I got in 89.

[viperdan]

Many guys I know who have GTs, also have the latest hot car. One buddy just picked up a Huracan. He previously had and sold numerous ferraris and Macs. In the last year I have had a 12C, C7 Vette, 650 etc. I have had 3 GTs and kick myself for selling one of them.

How did that rat C7 get in the group?

[Drummerviper]

When I cancelled the Gen 5 , I bought it out of spite. Lol. 70 K and a great car that last 3 months till I got the M6 Gran Coupe.

[viperdan]

When I cancelled the Gen 5 , I bought it out of spite. Lol. 70 K and a great car that last 3 months till I got the M6 Gran Coupe.

I sold my 427 vert recently, I am not a C7 fan but they are good bang for the buck cars, too bad GM builds 35k per year for the quality suffers. That M6 must be a beast.

[Policy Limits]

Drummer is my hero. Hee hee. Variety is the Spice of Life and his existence is extra spicy!

[Drummerviper]

Drummer is my hero. Hee hee. Variety is the Spice of Life and his existence is extra spicy!

Thanks. Sadly, they tend to sit with battery tenders.

[Policy Limits]

Yeah but they're your toys and knowing u can take them out as u please is a great feeling. I've seen some of your posts on FGT forum and McLaren one. PM me if you ever want to sell anything. Money and space are always an issue but there's always resources and availability for a great opportunity. But Plaintiff guys still drive faster than defense guys 8-p.