Hearing today is Vert day!

[AbsolutHank]

If its true, its gonna be at Prefix this morning. I leave to head there in 30 mins. I'll post pics on the FB feed and try to get them uploaded here via Photo bucket from my phone. Could be exciting!!

[ACRucrazy]

We leave in 1 hr. Can't wait!
Been curious about the frames built at the plant.

[Schen]

Pics? They'll probably make you leave anything with a camera at the front door. :P

--RS

[01sapphirebob]

If its true, its gonna be at Prefix this morning. I leave to head there in 30 mins. I'll post pics on the FB feed and try to get them uploaded here via Photo bucket from my phone. Could be exciting!!


We leave in 1 hr. Can't wait!
Been curious about the frames built at the plant.

OMG. PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE GET PICS IF YOU CAN!

They didnt allow pics when we were there in January but someone try.

[Policy Limits]

Cool. Will be nice to follow.

[01sapphirebob]

Ive seen different brakes on a viper. :)

http://i1313.photobucket.com/albums/t558/weilandfrk/3204C1C1-2B63-4B2B-AD97-7E5EFB8E52CF_zpsr7fablya.png (http://s1313.photobucket.com/user/weilandfrk/media/3204C1C1-2B63-4B2B-AD97-7E5EFB8E52CF_zpsr7fablya.png.html)

[01sapphirebob]

Its a vert!!!!

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[AbsolutHank]

Goto FB feed!

[Policy Limits]

Hearing soft top manual.

[ACRucrazy]

Yes it is.
It's a Prefix one off at the moment.

[LittleCobra]

Bring on the mailbags and postcards that got the Gen 1 in production!!!

[C.J]

Wow, the vert looks fantastic!

[Austin]

Looks good, but I just heard it is a one-off and will be available through Prefix only and will cost 35k extra. WTF, Dodge?

[FrgMstr]

Stole these off VOA FB.

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[FrgMstr]

And these...

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[Newport Viper]

Woo hoo !!!!!!!! Now I will be around another 10 years to annoy you all !!!!! Looks like they used the Gen 3/4 top? Auto tranny and 725 HP?

[Austin]

Just remember... You'll have to order a car, or purchase and existing car and have it shipped to Prefix and pay them 35k+ to hve it converted to a vert. This is NOT a Dodge off-the-line production car. How idiotic.




Woo hoo !!!!!!!! Now I will be around another 10 years to annoy you all !!!!! Looks like they used the Gen 3/4 top? Auto tranny and 725 HP?

[99RT10]

Woo hoo !!!!!!!! Now I will be around another 10 years to annoy you all !!!!! Looks like they used the Gen 3/4 top? Auto tranny and 725 HP?

No you won't. And someone can correct me if I am wrong, but this is simply a modified GTS into a convert done thru Prefix. You can have it as a $35K option thru Tomball. Not a factory car. Dodge people in charge of Viper are retarded.

[Troublemaker]

I don't understand the thinking, I thought they wanted to sell more cars. What was the the price difference on the Gen3&4 between the coupe and rag top?

[Austin]

Not 35k. Might as well be ordering a Ferrari.





I don't understand the thinking, I thought they wanted to sell more cars. What was the the price difference on the Gen3&4 between the coupe and rag top?

[99RT10]

I don't understand the thinking, I thought they wanted to sell more cars. What was the the price difference on the Gen3&4 between the coupe and rag top?

The convert was cheaper than the coupe.

[ViperSmith]

Y'all suck at reading tea leaves.

With the prices of the cars you can find now, if you want a vert you can now have one.

The point is, the vert isn't happening from the factory. Period.

[Policy Limits]

For 35k u can butcher your factory coupe and spend what an MC Stradale vert costs new; OMFG. LOL.

[tiki240]

Well if the factory has denied us a vert/targa... perhaps we can haz more hp?

[V10LEE]

Ive seen different brakes on a viper. :)

http://i1313.photobucket.com/albums/t558/weilandfrk/3204C1C1-2B63-4B2B-AD97-7E5EFB8E52CF_zpsr7fablya.png (http://s1313.photobucket.com/user/weilandfrk/media/3204C1C1-2B63-4B2B-AD97-7E5EFB8E52CF_zpsr7fablya.png.html)

Wow 6 piston calipers..
It's about time. What the Viper really needed..

[swexlin]

Looks like the same setup that is on the fronts of the Hellcat and 6.4 SRT Challengers (saw them both at Carlisle), and the GC SRT8.

[Policy Limits]

Yeah 4 piston sounded dinky. They work better than I anticipated though. Bigger isn't always better. I had 8 piston carbon ceramic on my Diamond Series Bentley and the surface sounds drove me so nuts that I got rid of it after only one year.

[FLATOUT]

Vert is going to be a tough sell at 35k. Appreciate Tomballs ambition to get this done though, sad that a dealership had to do it instead of the manufacturer.

So if we de see a blower why do I expect it to be 20k minimum lol.

[ViperSmith]

For 35k u can butcher your factory coupe and spend what an MC Stradale vert costs new; OMFG. LOL.
Here is how id interpret it.

You can get $25-30k off sticker.

If you want a vert, spend $35k and get it.

[LonghornTX]

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Here is how id interpret it.

You can get $25-30k off sticker.

If you want a vert, spend $35k and get it.
Exactly

[ViperSmith]

dodge should brand this better though.

Have prefix be their "mso" like mclaren or customization line like other brands

Want anything special? We do it.

It is all in the marketing and how you spin it.

[SLViper]

Not 35k. Might as well be ordering a Ferrari.

While it is gorgeous and I am Happy to see the option. I have been driving my 10 Roadster nearly 2 years since the VOI when I found out the Gen V was coupe only at first. With no updates on a Vert being available, I Used the money saved up for the Gen V Vert on an F430 Spyder and Loving it!

[Policy Limits]

Congrats on the Ferrari. One of my best buds has a yellow Scuderia; I love it.

[99RT10]

Here is how id interpret it.

You can get $25-30k off sticker.

If you want a vert, spend $35k and get it.

You're not the brightest bulb in the mix, are ya..............

[SLViper]

Congrats on the Ferrari. One of my best buds has a yellow Scuderia; I love it.

Thanks!
It is a blast to drive, has a power top,5998
and costs less than the New Gen V vert!

[ViperSmith]

You're not the brightest bulb in the mix, are ya..............

I think you forgot this isn't the alley where you can pat each other on the back with stupidity and ignorant comments.

[swexlin]

Yeah 4 piston sounded dinky. They work better than I anticipated though. Bigger isn't always better. I had 8 piston carbon ceramic on my Diamond Series Bentley and the surface sounds drove me so nuts that I got rid of it after only one year.

It's what we have on the current SRT8s and Viper of course. My SRT8 has slotted rotors from the factory, where the 03 didn't. Never have had any issues, but I did recently upgrade to slotted and drilled 2-piece Baers on the Viper. Don't really notice any difference, but they are 6 lbs per rotor lighter - that's 24 lbs of rotating weight.

As for the vert conversion, I would won't factory or nothing - don't want my car cut up.

[SLViper]

Looks like there are no hoops or roll over protection? Is this a good idea?

[99RT10]

I think you forgot this isn't the alley where you can pat each other on the back with stupidity and ignorant comments.

Or I just don't care. Pick which one you like and go with it................

[ViperSmith]

Or I just don't care. Pick which one you like and go with it................

Go troll elsewhere.

[Viper Girl]

Verts never had real hoops or roll over protection on Gen III or IV...

Guys please settle down... Let's keep the thread OT... ok?

[ViperSmith]

Verts never had real hoops or roll over protection on Gen III or IV...

Guys please settle down... Let's keep the thread OT... ok?

I can't do much about someone acting like a child and personally attacking for disagreeing with something I said.

Par for the course.

[Troublemaker]

I'm not a convertible guy or even a Gen5 guy, but I'm glad to see Tomball picked up the ball and had this done. It will be interesting to see how many they sell. What's sad is this isn't even Dodge news, it's dealer news. At least they picked Prefix to do the work. I hope they sell them as fast as they can make them.

[johniew398]

But, if you want a vert and one-of-a-kind, $35k off a discounted coupe probably isn't bad. But then again, how long will it be one-of-a-kind.

[gfviperman]

Any ACR talk??

[SWEEN]

dodge should brand this better though.

Have prefix be their "mso" like mclaren or customization line like other brands

Want anything special? We do it.

It is all in the marketing and how you spin it.

I was thinking that the other day. It's a great idea. Mclaren and Ferrari have a special operations branch, why not SRT. Prefix already does anything you want, might as well just market it as a SRT special operation.

[RC51]

I was thinking that the other day. It's a great idea. Mclaren and Ferrari have a special operations branch, why not SRT. Prefix already does anything you want, might as well just market it as a SRT special operation.

SRT is the special operations branch...

[Policy Limits]

Thanks!
It is a blast to drive, has a power top,5998
and costs less than the New Gen V vert!

Great color combo. I shopped the 430 spider against the gallardo spyder. I chose the latter but it was a really close call. Enjoy. The market is really competitive in the 100-150k range for new performance cars. Throw into the mix five year old exotics for the same price that started out at 1/4 mill and now you can really see just how competitive the industry really is.

[Fatboy 18]

Time to feed that out to the media and see how many show an interest. I would wait for confirmed orders before producing it ;)

[SWEEN]

SRT is the special operations branch...

SRT is more of a M, AMG, SS type of deal. Top of the line performance variant. What I am saying, and what I believe Viper Smith is trying to get at, SRT should have it's own branch that specialize in one off cars. Like Ferrari and Mclaren will literally build you a one of one model, based on a frame and power train of an existing model. This convertible viper is a perfect example of what the could do. You want a convertible Viper with roll hoops for example, order it through SRT special operations. Instead of buying a car and sending it to prefix, have SRT do that. This will allow it to be a true one of one from the factory. SRT could charge more for it and people would be willing to pay that price since it's marketed from the factory, making it more collectible.

[Troublemaker]

This is a company that can't bring their performance parts to market and you expect them to be able to build 1of1 cars. Maybe Prefix will be the savior in all this, all we can do is hope.

[Drummerviper]

There is no end to the naivety of Viper owners. ( and I'm one).

[Policy Limits]

SRT is more of a M, AMG, SS type of deal. Top of the line performance variant. What I am saying, and what I believe Viper Smith is trying to get at, SRT should have it's own branch that specialize in one off cars. Like Ferrari and Mclaren will literally build you a one of one model, based on a frame and power train of an existing model. This convertible viper is a perfect example of what the could do. You want a convertible Viper with roll hoops for example, order it through SRT special operations. Instead of buying a car and sending it to prefix, have SRT do that. This will allow it to be a true one of one from the factory. SRT could charge more for it and people would be willing to pay that price since it's marketed from the factory, making it more collectible.
Bro they couldn't even handle regular custom builds. Me and a few hundred folks put down money to build, waited a 1/2 year or longer only to see them build other random cars for dealers that no one bought (to date). LOL. Makes you think the lights are on but no one is home so to speak.

BTW Best custom build IMO is D'Ann's red white and blue V that she brought to the event. Have u guys seen that one? It's unique and beautiful inside & out. Talk about one of one...

[SWEEN]

Bro they couldn't even handle regular custom builds. Me and a few hundred folks put down money to build, waited a 1/2 year or longer only to see them build other random cars for dealers that no one bought (to date). LOL. Makes you think the lights are on but no one is home so to speak.

BTW Best custom build IMO is D'Ann's red white and blue V that she brought to the event. Have u guys seen that one? It's unique and beautiful inside & out. Talk about one of one...

I deleted my comment that I just posted, because your right about they couldn't handle regular orders at the beginning lol. They couldn't handle a special operation unit.

Wishful thinking on my part I guess.

[Derek Short]

Not 35k. Might as well be ordering a Ferrari.

So true.

Not digging this vert Viper at all.
Sure glad I am a Viper coupe guy.

[IndyRon]

This sucks...I was hoping to go Gen 5 if it was supercharged. I'd really like a bolton capable 900-1k rwhp. SC Gen 5 would be cake. Looks like I'll be shopping (and saving) for a UGR TTG.

[commandomatt]

Well, if you can order a vert from Prefix, you can also order an ACR I suppose. Just have them slap a wing on there, some breaks, suspension and other aero. Lets call that 40 K and there's your ACR.

I agree with previously stated comment that to suggest that you buy a factory coupe at a discount and then send it to be modified is about the most ridiculous approach I have ever heard of. So what happens when the discounted coupes dry up and you will have to pay full price ? This is when your vert will cost 140 -180 K depending on what model you choose to have cut up.

What about warranty ? How will Dodge cover a car that has been cut open and modified ?

Insurance ? " so sorry Sir ....its appears that your car model doesn't exist, so how can we possibly insure it ?"

[Snakebit]

Article at Autoweek online already: http://www.autoweek.com/article/car-news/meet-new-viper-convertible

Calling it the "Medusa." 10 more in the pipeline.

[TitleMine]

sad that a dealership had to do it instead of the manufacturer.

Some of the big dealers literally have more marketing acumen than the entire Chrysler corporation. Seriously, their incompetence in handing the new Viper is approaching Edsel levels now. Props to Prefix, this thing looks pretty nice.

I'm glad somebody is doing this, but really, I think what Policy Limits brought up a few pages back about the used exotic market in the 100K+ range is prescient. The biggest problem with the Gen V continues to be the ample supply of very exotic, very desirable, very fast vipers from previous generations on the market for thousands less. There are no other Vipers that I encounter regularly in my town, so a Gen II or a Gen V are going to generate comperable levels of attention. The Gen V is, no question, the best Viper ever built, but would you rather have a Gen V GTS at current market prices, or a 96 B&W with moderate (20K ish) miles, and an 09 ACR? I think that's the chain around the Viper's neck-blowing its own predecessors out of the water on a tight budget after acquisition and with the EPA choking you at every turn is no easy task.

[99RT10]

Damn, it's like watching an animal struggle to breath. Put it out of it's misery. Not only is the car not selling, but Dodge/SRT/Ralph are not listening to anything their base is saying. Holy Molly what an epic failure.:stickmen_burningsti

[Steve M]

Damn, it's like watching an animal struggle to breath. Put it out of it's misery. Not only is the car not selling, but Dodge/SRT/Ralph are not listening to anything their base is saying. Holy Molly what an epic failure.:stickmen_burningsti

They are listening, and they've already responded: buy a Hellcat Challenger.

[Newport Viper]

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[FLATOUT]

Come on Newport you said you were in if they made a vert gen V. Open up that wallet son ;)

[VRYALT3R3D]

Hmmmm....

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Knowing there will be no convertible from Chrysler in the near future, it appears that a Viper ACR is coming to crush the Z06

[VENOM V]

Hmmmm....

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Knowing there will be no convertible from Chrysler in the near future, it appears that a Viper ACR is coming to crush the Z06

Ok, this has my curiosity. Where did you find this and do you know anything else about it? That would be bad ass.

I am at NVE now and was at the unveiling and the reaction there was quite different and more positive than on this forum which clearly has a few disgruntleds with an axe to grind. The new vert is gorgeous. Yes I too wish Dodge had been the one to offer the vert, but at least there is now an option for those who really want one. And Prefix will do a quality job, it's a beautiful execution. Ben Keating said he will warranty the vert conversion for any that Viper Exchange sells. I would imagine other dealers will follow suit.

For those of you who are freaking out about the price tag: If the price is worth it to a buyer, he'll buy it. If not, he won't. It's as simple as that, no need to get so emotional.

[Murpowa]

Similar to a question earlier, if Prefix was to produce both say the convertible AND potential ACR, how would they be insured?

[VENOM V]

Similar to a question earlier, if Prefix was to produce both say the convertible AND potential ACR, how would they be insured?

Good question, I'll ask if I see any of the guys at dinner tonight.

[FLATOUT]

Good question, I'll ask if I see any of the guys at dinner tonight.

There's supposedly a big announcement happening at dinner tonight.

[Nine Ball]

In for "Prefix only ACR" package. Maybe it will be $50K on top of your base coupe?

Ugh.

I'd rather see a supercharger kit unveiled.

[commandomatt]

For those of you who are freaking out about the price tag: If the price is worth it to a buyer, he'll buy it. If not, he won't. It's as simple as that, no need to get so emotional.

So you are saying, by bringing a vert to market that will cost 35K more than any coupe, that sales will improve ? You think they will be building 100's of these (do the math...if one takes 8 weeks, how long to build say, 25, even if they build a few at the same time?)

Once they build a few of these...there wont be much more demand. Its not like a factory model that will sit next to the coupes in the show rooms and that customers will choose between. This conversion will be for a select few, and that's it

This is most definitely not the answer to fill the void and demand for a vert.

[Policy Limits]

Pointless to discuss a vert at this point. IT DOESN'T EXIST. U could've modified your gen V one year ago through a custom shop and gone topless if u wanted to. This is no different. And if you change your wheels or add a rear wing does that change the model of your car for insurance purposes? Of course not. Same concept here. Move on.

[tiki240]

IF they unveil the supercharger kit, somebody put my name on the list plz

[Policy Limits]

THIS is what I want in a custom gen V. OMG it is awesome! I asked her if prefix did it and she said no. I think it's great!!

[cashcorn]

So what was the big announcement at dinner last night?

[Snakebit]

That post is only an hour old. Lol Dinner tonight.

[SWEEN]

Man that picture got me really excited too, that rear end looks awesome. Hopefully it's an ACR!

[Policy Limits]

Tellin ya. This is hard to beat. A body shop in IL did it. Wow.

[Troublemaker]

Tellin ya. This is hard to beat. A body shop in IL did it. Wow.

That's from one if not the greatest Viper collections ever, she has definitely got her priorities in the right order.

[Austin]

Tellin ya. This is hard to beat. A body shop in IL did it. Wow.



That thing is horrible looking. I can't like it from any angle. Those people may like Vipers, but they have very gawdy taste.

[Policy Limits]

Goes to show u how inherently subjective aesthetic value is. Beauty sure is in the eye of the beholder. I love it ESP the interior. Point is there's tons of body shops that do stuff like this and yes they can convert your coupe into a vert. Guess the difference is safety with the latter job. You'd really need to add weight from under the car as a roll over safety feature (and who wants more weight?) plus I'd want some sort of roll bar or double hump safety hoops at least behind the seats, but that's me.

[FLATOUT]

That thing is horrible looking. I can't like it from any angle. Those people may like Vipers, but they have very gawdy taste.

I'm not a fan either, only because it just looks like a street car in race livery. If it had the front clip from the race cars and rear end I would like it much better.

[commandomatt]

Tellin ya. This is hard to beat. A body shop in IL did it. Wow.

All this goes to show is that a lot of money does certainly not by you good taste. I know that they own a lot of nice Vipers, but this is just plain ugly

[Policy Limits]

This is still my favorite render:

[commandomatt]

if you change your wheels or add a rear wing does that change the model of your car for insurance purposes? Of course not. Same concept here. Move on.

so you compare changing wheels or adding aero to cutting off the roof of a coupe to make it into a convertible ? Same concept in your opinion.

Why don't you call your insurance company and tell them to change your policy to cover an SRT Convertible and see what they say.

[Newport Viper]

Prefix website. http://www.prefix.com/Index/Home/MedusaRoadster?menu=2

[Fatboy 18]

THIS is what I want in a custom gen V. OMG it is awesome! I asked her if prefix did it and she said no. I think it's great!!

Very cool :cool:

[Newport Viper]

So there were over 7951 convertibles produced from 2003-2010. There were 2830 coupes/ACR produced in same time frame. I'm thinking they brought our the wrong model first (Coupe).

Even with that said, to not put a convertible into full production surely will be the death of the marque. That's at least 7000++ current customers Dodge is not going to address or induce to upgrade to a '15... Sad. (-10 way overpriced hacked up '14 Prefix Medusa's)

SO the FINGER to you DODGE....Thanks for thinking of us Vert customers.

[XSnake]

If you saw the car yesterday you would never call it hacked up.

[FLATOUT]

Seriously you said you were a gen V buyer if you could get into a convertible. Here's your chance!


So there were over 7951 convertibles produced from 2003-2010. There were 2830 coupes/ACR produced in same time frame. I'm thinking they brought our the wrong model first (Coupe).

Even with that said, to not put a convertible into full production surely will be the death of the marque. That's at least 7000++ current customers Dodge is not going to address or induce to upgrade to a '15... Sad. (-10 way overpriced hacked up '14 Prefix Medusa's)

SO the FINGER to you DODGE....Thanks for thinking of us Vert customers.

[ViperSmith]

You guys seriously expected dodge to introduce a vert at a private event and not some big media event?

This is more of a "what prefix can do" anyway. Seems as if some dealers had demand from customers and are filling that demand.

Id imagine all are spoken for already.

[99RT10]

If you saw the car yesterday you would never call it hacked up.

By the pictures posted, I really think the convert looks great. I would love to have one, but it should have come from Dodge, not Prefix. Don't get me wrong, they did a great job, but in the end it is an aftermarket product that cost $35K above the cost of a new car.

[XSnake]

I agree with you but im not a vert guy anyways and would never own one. To say they hack up a car is a little ridiculous.

Did Chrysler just find a way to let someone else spend the $$$ on development, fabrication, and testing for 2014 cars thus saving them a bunch of $$$ in the long run for 2015+

[Shooter]

So Prefix and Tomball Dodge stepped up and people are still complaining. Tomball will even offer a warranty and people are still crying. What a strange bunch. Sounds like a win to me. People said they want a Gen V vert. Well here ya go. I bet they are already spoken for too.

[FLATOUT]

So Prefix and Tomball Dodge stepped up and people are still complaining. Tomball will even offer a warranty and people are still crying. What a strange bunch. Sounds like a win to me. People said they want a Gen V vert. Well here ya go. I bet they are already spoken for too.

I think I was initially upset about it because it sent a clear message that Dodge is pulling away from the Viper. I also stand by the fact that its pretty outstanding that a dealership and coach builder (Prefix) said fuck it we'll build one anyway.

I just got a call from a Houston VOA member that placed an order for one, so we'll have one here in Houston in 8 weeks!

Also you know Deann Rauh bought already so there's two already spoken for.

Congrats!

[Policy Limits]

so you compare changing wheels or adding aero to cutting off the roof of a coupe to make it into a convertible ? Same concept in your opinion.

Why don't you call your insurance company and tell them to change your policy to cover an SRT Convertible and see what they say.

The title and registration and VIN don't change. The insurance company would never know unless the policyholder disclosed it. Does it cost more to insure a red sportscar than black? What if u purchase a black car and paint it red? At the end of the day it's not a Dodge or SRT product. It's an aftermarket customization. Something you could've done a year ago through thousands of body shops nationwide. No disrespect to prefix. They did a great job painting my car. But I wouldn't let them or anyone else cut my roof off. Lol

[Policy Limits]

So there were over 7951 convertibles produced from 2003-2010. There were 2830 coupes/ACR produced in same time frame. I'm thinking they brought our the wrong model first (Coupe).

Even with that said, to not put a convertible into full production surely will be the death of the marque. That's at least 7000++ current customers Dodge is not going to address or induce to upgrade to a '15... Sad. (-10 way overpriced hacked up '14 Prefix Medusa's)

SO the FINGER to you DODGE....Thanks for thinking of us Vert customers.
Much hate I feel. The dark side is strong with you.

:)

[FLATOUT]

Newport, honest question because I know you're a vert guy and really want one.

If the Gen V vert was 100k would you go place an order this week, or would you wait to buy a used on for 75K two years from now?

Honest answer.

[Crotalidae]

Much hate I feel. The dark side is strong with you.

:)

Too funny!!! On another note the vert looks great!!!

[ViperSmith]

So Prefix and Tomball Dodge stepped up and people are still complaining. Tomball will even offer a warranty and people are still crying. What a strange bunch. Sounds like a win to me. People said they want a Gen V vert. Well here ya go. I bet they are already spoken for too.


Like, I get that people want Dodge to built a Vert. It makes a lot of sense. 2/3 of Vipers are Verts.

In reality this has nothing to do with Dodge. People want Verts. Prefix is giving the market what it wants. Want a vert bad enough, you can now make it happen.

Par for the course from the "Viper Faithful."

[Policy Limits]

I'm a vert guy. Only with exotic cars they're called "spyders". 8-p. miss my gallardo drop top. Gonna wait & see how the new baby bull looks topless before I bite.

[Dman]

So at home coming, to great anticipation, it was announced that there would be no vert viper. That's the news, period.

Oh, in other news, prefix, as well as I'm sure other custom car choppers can cut the top off a coupe for you for $35k or so. That's not Dodge or viper news, that's aftermarket news. It's also a clear message that SRT won't have a vert, prefix wouldn't dump $ into this endeavor if a vert were 6-12 mos away from the factory.

As for saying vert waiters now,have no excuse ... that's like saying back in the day to,guys who hate verts to just buy a hardtop and don't take it off. $35k to have an aftermarket chop, regardless how good the vendor supposedly is, isn't a factory designed and built model level.

Any way, we should have congrats for an LE winner soon, that's cool.

[Viper Girl]

From what I understand... Dodge didn't know anything about the Prefix/Tomball Vert... They were surprised by the Prefix display as anyone...

Because Prefix and Tomball made an aftermarket Vert, doesn't mean there wont be a Dodge branded vert...

[FLATOUT]

No way Ben Keating would go through all that trouble unless SRT and Dodge had specifically told them that there would be no vert, hence the collaboration with Tomball and Prefix.


From what I understand... Dodge didn't know anything about the Prefix/Tomball Vert... They were surprised by the Prefix display as anyone...

Because Prefix and Tomball made an aftermarket Vert, doesn't mean there wont be a Dodge branded vert...

[Dman]

From what I understand... Dodge didn't know anything about the Prefix/Tomball Vert... They were surprised by the Prefix display as anyone...

Because Prefix and Tomball made an aftermarket Vert, doesn't mean there wont be a Dodge branded vert...


If dodge is doing a 2015 vert, this would make prefix the dumbest business people in history. What sane person would buy their $35k aftermarket solution when dodge would offer factory for historically less than the coupe. I hear ya, in that it's not mutually exclusive, but one has to assume prefix knows something about the future with their dodge relationship and that they'd not waste their time developing something like this for a couple months of offering.

[Viper Girl]

just saying what I've been told... Dodge didn't know about the package they put together...
If Dodge went with more of a targa then the vert makes total sense.

[ViperSmith]

If dodge is doing a 2015 vert, this would make prefix the dumbest business people in history. What sane person would buy their $35k aftermarket solution when dodge would offer factory for historically less than the coupe. I hear ya, in that it's not mutually exclusive, but one has to assume prefix knows something about the future with their dodge relationship and that they'd not waste their time developing something like this for a couple months of offering.

I doubt they are losing cash on the $35k conversion - I don't think id call it bad business on their end.

[IndyRon]

If dodge is doing a 2015 vert, this would make prefix the dumbest business people in history. What sane person would buy their $35k aftermarket solution when dodge would offer factory for historically less than the coupe. I hear ya, in that it's not mutually exclusive, but one has to assume prefix knows something about the future with their dodge relationship and that they'd not waste their time developing something like this for a couple months of offering.

That depends on a couple things. It's prefix, not Chrysler, so their research, testing, tooling, etc costs are all fractions of what Chrysler would have to put in before even a single car was built. I bet they are making money on it after the first one is sold. So, even if they only sell 10 cars like this, they are still doing well and also showcasing their abilities in fabrication.

[Murpowa]

From what I understand... Dodge didn't know anything about the Prefix/Tomball Vert... They were surprised by the Prefix display as anyone...

Because Prefix and Tomball made an aftermarket Vert, doesn't mean there wont be a Dodge branded vert...


Honestly, good for Prefix and Tomball for stepping up. I hope they sell convertible conversions higher than expected. That might start some head scratching at Dodge HQ.

[Dman]

Don't get me wrong, props to the vendors for being aggressive on a dramatic offering, if only SRT had half the balls that Tomball & Prefix have.

I'm sure these will be top notch. It's just dramatically disappointing for me, waiting for a factory vert, and this is an indication that there won't be one for a long time if ever, as Tomball & Prefix are smart & I'd doubt be doing this to meet a gap in only the 2014 model yr, so at least not in '15, and they must not anticipate it perhaps for even longer.

This would be OK if we then heard about an ACR, hec even some MOPAR kit news would've taken some sting out of it. I'm sure all had a good time hanging and enjoying each others' company & cars, but seems like another SRT fail in an event.

I should probably just not post for awhile, I'm feeling pissy, because I've loved this car for the past 15 yrs and am feeling disappointed at the moment, missing the gen5 fun & had high hopes for news from NVE. 1st world problems, lol. Sorry for adding to some negative spirit in this forum, I'll go chill awhile.

[XSnake]

If dodge is doing a 2015 vert, this would make prefix the dumbest business people in history. What sane person would buy their $35k aftermarket solution when dodge would offer factory for historically less than the coupe. I hear ya, in that it's not mutually exclusive, but one has to assume prefix knows something about the future with their dodge relationship and that they'd not waste their time developing something like this for a couple months of offering.

Because there will only be 10 2014 verts

[BigBadViper]

This sucks...I was hoping to go Gen 5 if it was supercharged. I'd really like a bolton capable 900-1k rwhp. SC Gen 5 would be cake. Looks like I'll be shopping (and saving) for a UGR TTG.

Why do you have to save? I picked up my TTG Spyder for less than a Gen V. Got it financed at 2.75%.

[IndyRon]

I should probably just not post for awhile, I'm feeling pissy, because I've loved this car for the past 15 yrs and am feeling disappointed at the moment, missing the gen5 fun & had high hopes for news from NVE. 1st world problems, lol. Sorry for adding to some negative spirit in this forum, I'll go chill awhile.

I feel exactly the same way.


Why do you have to save? I picked up my TTG Spyder for less than a Gen V. Got it financed at 2.75%.

I haven't even shopped them yet to be honest. I've only seen a couple on 6speedonline.com for around 200k complete. If what you say is true, that would be killer.

[FLATOUT]

Why do you have to save? I picked up my TTG Spyder for less than a Gen V. Got it financed at 2.75%.

You bought a TTG for under 110K? Damn that was a buy!

[Nine Ball]

Had Dodge been the one to unveil this convertible, it would likely have a similar MSRP as the coupe. Historically, a tiny bit less than the coupe price. No doubt the "new" body would be listed at MSRP for a while, as expected.

That being said, now that you can find cars $15-40K off of MSRP, those that were using the "no convertible" as an excuse not to buy, have no excuse. You'd basically be paying MSRP with the discounts out there. There is no shortage of color combos available, either.

Tony

[Austin]

Ok, I understand where you're coming from, but lets think about this a little differently. How many people want to purchase a car and then have to pay to ship it to Prefix where they wait 8+ weeks for their car to be finished? Understandably, if you order one through Tomball your car is already close to Prefix, so there is no shipping cost to you, and you throw your wait time into the mix of ordering the car. Still though, you're waiting another 8+ weeks for your car to be built. Then there is the price. As you mentioned, the coupe and convertible were very close in price when done straight from the factory (built on the factory line), but now there is an extra 35k cost attached to wanting a vert. Sorry, but telling those who wanted a vert "here is your chance to "pony up" is stupid. Granted they will be getting a vert, but at what cost? Too much is the answer. Dodge is not catering to the large majority. Think about it... GM took the Z06 and made it a vert AND a coupe with a removable hardtop. They catered to EVERYONE. It just doesnt make sense what Dodge has done. I give credit to Tomball for stepping up and doing this, but Dodge really should have been the leader in this and given the customers a factory built, off the line convertible that doesnt have an extra 35k price tag attached to it (plus 8+ weeks of waiting).







Had Dodge been the one to unveil this convertible, it would likely have a similar MSRP as the coupe. Historically, a tiny bit less than the coupe price. No doubt the "new" body would be listed at MSRP for a while, as expected.

That being said, now that you can find cars $15-40K off of MSRP, those that were using the "no convertible" as an excuse not to buy, have no excuse. You'd basically be paying MSRP with the discounts out there. There is no shortage of color combos available, either.

Tony

[XSnake]

Ok, I understand where you're coming from, but lets think about this a little differently. How many people want to purchase a car and then have to pay to ship it to Prefix where they wait 8+ weeks for their car to be finished? Understandably, if you order one through Tomball your car is already close to Prefix, so there is no shipping cost to you, and you throw your wait time into the mix of ordering the car. Still though, you're waiting another 8+ weeks for your car to be built. Then there is the price. As you mentioned, the coupe and convertible were very close in price when done straight from the factory (built on the factory line), but now there is an extra 35k cost attached to wanting a vert. Sorry, but telling those who wanted a vert "here is your chance to "pony up" is stupid. Granted they will be getting a vert, but at what cost? Too much is the answer. Dodge is not catering to the large majority. Think about it... GM took the Z06 and made it a vert AND a coupe with a removable hardtop. They catered to EVERYONE. It just doesnt make sense what Dodge has done. I give credit to Tomball for stepping up and doing this, but Dodge really should have been the leader in this and given the customers a factory built, off the line convertible that doesnt have an extra 35k price tag attached to it (plus 8+ weeks of waiting).
The cars are alreadyat prefix. No added shipping

[commandomatt]

To say that a model now is available because there is a custom built version you can get, is very far from the factory offering it.

We Viper owners/buyers very often want specific models, colors and stripe combinations. So if a guy is looking for a white 2010 ACR why doesn't he just buy a 2009 and paint it in the color he want with the 2010 stripes ? Maybe just buy a regular coupe, send it out to put all the ACR equipment on there and there it is. Paint a coupe like the final edition 10's instead of finding a real one

These approaches above are, for most people, out of the question. They will keep looking for the specific car that they want. A factory offered model and color that is. So to suggest you can have what you want just by customizing it, may work for a few but most buyers would never consider it

It most definitely will not boost the Viper sales like Dodge desperately needs at this time. It seems like that part of the discussion is getting lost. Dodge has to sell more Vipers in order for the model to survive (and not at 15-40K below MSRP) Offering a custom built convertible will do nothing for Dodge as far as increasing sales. I am talking about selling 100's more.....not just a couple of dozen.

Another consideration is that many buyers do want the option to finance their cars. Not sure how easy that would be if you tried to include the convertible conversions. Just like I mentioned about the insurance, a finance company may not want to encourage you to modify a car to possible (in their view) lower the value and subsequently alter the security they have in the car

[Austin]

The cars are alreadyat prefix. No added shipping



Yes, I know. I covered that part in my reply above.

[v10enomous]

Agree on custom vs factory points and possible financing problems but you can buy agreed value insurance from Grundy.

Having said that, these conversions are sometimes very desirable on certain cars but also can create a shroud of suspect quality if not properly executed. Since in this case it's factory authorized from a reputable source it should be a good thing.

Chrysler/Fiat are missing an opportunity by not offering a factory convertible and I know of at least one multiple viper owner including a Gen5 that already plans on buying a Z06 convertible.

Of course I think I saw at least 20 C7's just this past weekend between one show and cars just cruising around.



To say that a model now is available because there is a custom built version you can get, is very far from the factory offering it.

We Viper owners/buyers very often want specific models, colors and stripe combinations. So if a guy is looking for a white 2010 ACR why doesn't he just buy a 2009 and paint it in the color he want with the 2010 stripes ? Maybe just buy a regular coupe, send it out to put all the ACR equipment on there and there it is. Paint a coupe like the final edition 10's instead of finding a real one

These approaches above are, for most people, out of the question. They will keep looking for the specific car that they want. A factory offered model and color that is. So to suggest you can have what you want just by customizing it, may work for a few but most buyers would never consider it

It most definitely will not boost the Viper sales like Dodge desperately needs at this time. It seems like that part of the discussion is getting lost. Dodge has to sell more Vipers in order for the model to survive (and not at 15-40K below MSRP) Offering a custom built convertible will do nothing for Dodge as far as increasing sales. I am talking about selling 100's more.....not just a couple of dozen.

Another consideration is that many buyers do want the option to finance their cars. Not sure how easy that would be if you tried to include the convertible conversions. Just like I mentioned about the insurance, a finance company may not want to encourage you to modify a car to possible (in their view) lower the value and subsequently alter the security they have in the car

[Dman]

I wonder how many of these guys posting that this is the fix for vert guys, would go have a coupe conversion done at an aftermarket company if there were only verts available and they wanted a coupe, and dish out the $35k for an aftermarket cut & weld job??

Respect to a lot of the posters I know, I'm surprised at the "you have no excuse now" postings to us wanting verts. Like I didn't already have this "option"??? I could've bought a coupe 18 mos ago & taken in and gotten a version of a "challenger chop" to it for probably $35k. Do you guys really, I mean really, equate this to an SRT vert option for us? I don't get the debate. I'd never consider this, but if they offered a vert, my question I wanted someone to ask at the event if a vert was offered was simply, when can I order it. But that turned into a big nevermind.

Crap, and I said I was going to go chill out. Sorry, just finding this point that a $35K aftermarket chop is as good as a factory option stuff bizarre. (again, not to ding the vendors at all, props to 'em, but, c'mon).

[FLATOUT]

You guys calling this an aftermarket chop are out of your minds, you do know this is being done at PREFIX don't you? You do know they already build a good part of your current production Viper correct? I just don't get the hate for Prefix. I'm sure people would have rathered these rolling down the regular production line but lets face it they aren't going to be, so here is the absolute next best option.





I wonder how many of these guys posting that this is the fix for vert guys, would go have a coupe conversion done at an aftermarket company if there were only verts available and they wanted a coupe, and dish out the $35k for an aftermarket cut & weld job??

Respect to a lot of the posters I know, I'm surprised at the "you have no excuse now" postings to us wanting verts. Like I didn't already have this "option"??? I could've bought a coupe 18 mos ago & taken in and gotten a version of a "challenger chop" to it for probably $35k. Do you guys really, I mean really, equate this to an SRT vert option for us? I don't get the debate. I'd never consider this, but if they offered a vert, my question I wanted someone to ask at the event if a vert was offered was simply, when can I order it. But that turned into a big nevermind.

Crap, and I said I was going to go chill out. Sorry, just finding this point that a $35K aftermarket chop is as good as a factory option stuff bizarre. (again, not to ding the vendors at all, props to 'em, but, c'mon).

[F8L SNK]

I don't think it is meant to bash Prefix, in fact most people are saying they mean nothing toward the vendor. The issue seems to be that they are not happy it took an aftermarket effort to produce a convertible and in doing so actually costs $35K. When the Viper has always had a lower price point in Vert form it does make one question how many will sell. Time will tell I guess. Whether it is done at Prefix or not, it's still not a production car.

Semantics to some I am sure, to others it is troublesome that Dodge didn't do this already themselves.

[Dman]

You guys calling this an aftermarket chop are out of your minds, you do know this is being done at PREFIX don't you? You do know they already build a good part of your current production Viper correct? I just don't get the hate for Prefix. I'm sure people would have rathered these rolling down the regular production line but lets face it they aren't going to be, so here is the absolute next best option.

Who's bashing prefix?

[FLATOUT]

Who's bashing prefix?

Read your last paragraph, at least that's the way I took it.

[XSTAR]

No tuning option or factory Vert...sweet my GenIII/Vert will just get more love :)

[Canadian venom]

You guys calling this an aftermarket chop are out of your minds, you do know this is being done at PREFIX don't you? You do know they already build a good part of your current production Viper correct? I just don't get the hate for Prefix. I'm sure people would have rathered these rolling down the regular production line but lets face it they aren't going to be, so here is the absolute next best option.

Prefix are not building anything for the Viper, they're just doing the paint job.

[Dman]

Read your last paragraph, at least that's the way I took it.

My last paragraph specifically calls out the vendors and gives them props, like every other post I to out of the way to give them props, even saying I wish Dodge was as up to the challenge. I'm a super chill guy, but if you're going to try to call out someone, read what you're citing first, geesh. Too much effort and stretch to poke a person.

Any way, here we go again, SRT disappoints on news and a vert, whatever and people start attacking each other.

Welcome to the VCA gen5 forum redux.

[Solid Red 98]

I don't know, maybe its the pictures, but something about that car reminds me of an old Vette. Maybe I have to see it in person to appreciate it. Perhaps Dodge is just having a hard time making a convertible version of this generation look "right". Subjective, I know, but the RT-10's just had it "right" in terms of proportions and styling imho. It was first, after all. The GTS was essentially an RT-10 with a full body kit wrapped around it. (loving them both, of course) Any Gen 5 vert should likely have an RT-10'esque back end. Just my two cents worth... Difficult task, tweaking an iconic body shape like the Viper. I just hope there is a way to move some inventory without creaming everyone who has already purchased. Viper really needs a factory convertible, the market for it is likely pretty substantial by Viper production number standards. So many missteps, so little time. Truth be told, the Fiat group has always been pretty ham fisted when it comes to marketing, timing, and all the other elements required to be successful in the U.S.. Couple that with Chrysler/Dodge's oddball efforts, and well...here we are....Marketing for the Viper is so bad, that the general public is very confused as to whether the car is still produced. I often get people asking me what it is--even though it says DODGE VIPER on it. The next question is it a 2014? No, its a 1998....geez, they alway recognize the Corvette...Oh well...

[Newport Viper]

Hacked up Gen V's are tearing this board apart!

Prefix website updated http://www.prefix.com/Index/Home/MedusaRoadster?menu=2

Price: $35,000 + Vehicle MSRP (additional costs apply to all custom options)

Base
$102,485 +$35,000 = $137.485
GTS
$124,985 +$35,000 = $159,985

Seems like a Good BYE to me

[Space Truckin]

FWIW H.B Dodge has a 2013 L.E for $100k

[FLATOUT]

If I misunderstood you I apologize. I thought you were referring to prefix as a chop shop, my mistake.




My last paragraph specifically calls out the vendors and gives them props, like every other post I to out of the way to give them props, even saying I wish Dodge was as up to the challenge. I'm a super chill guy, but if you're going to try to call out someone, read what you're citing first, geesh. Too much effort and stretch to poke a person.

Any way, here we go again, SRT disappoints on news and a vert, whatever and people start attacking each other.

Welcome to the VCA gen5 forum redux.

[Policy Limits]

I'm in the process of cutting my roof off in my garage with a saw. Very dusty! I need to invest in a pair of goggles! Phew! And a vacuum! Pics to come!

[FLATOUT]

Just because you can't afford it doesn't make it a hack job. Prefix works as close to dodge does to any other partner in the manufacturing process..

I'm sure you wanted one for a 100k and I don't blame you I would too. The fact of the matter is Dodge isn't going to make one so their biggest partner in production decided to produce one on their own just so that people like you could still have one.

If the factory was selling these at 120k would you have been a buyer?


Hacked up Gen V's are tearing this board apart!

Prefix website updated http://www.prefix.com/Index/Home/MedusaRoadster?menu=2

Price: $35,000 + Vehicle MSRP (additional costs apply to all custom options)

Base
$102,485 +$35,000 = $137.485
GTS
$124,985 +$35,000 = $159,985

Seems like a Good BYE to me


FWIW H.B Dodge has a 2013 L.E for $100k

Perfect example of a numbered special edition car that could be bought and converted for a fair price, not to mentioned you'd have a one of one Viper when done. Doesn't get more rare than that.

For instance the Woodhouse vert ACR's are loved by the Viper community even though its a vert version of a serious road race car. It really makes no sense but people love it.

[Newport Viper]

I see the Value of a $100-110 for a Vert. (Fair I think .... the market has spoken) My car is 10 years old now and I'm ready for a new ride. I'm just very disappointed with Dodge tell us all to basically f off by not bringing out a Vert.

I love most of the Gen V guys saying to people that you can't afford it. I hope that makes you all of you feel better for taking it in the shorts. It just shows that the loss of $ hurts ya.

[Policy Limits]

Get the Z06 vert. I bet it'll be like 90k loaded.

[IndyRon]

I see the Value of a $100-110 for a Vert.

I love most of the Gen V guys saying to people that you can't afford it. I hope that makes you all of you feel better for taking it in the shorts. It just shows that the loss of $ hurts ya.

I agree with the thought in this thread (though maybe not the delivery). People will pay it if the car is worth it. I think most agree based upon the prevailing consensus as well as lack of sales that the Gen V viper's performance and styling value is around 90-100k. It just doesn't have the juice to sell for 130k+ You can only blame marketing for so long. People know about the car, they just don't want it at this pricepoint.

[Dman]

If I misunderstood you I apologize. I thought you were referring to prefix as a chop shop, my mistake.
Yea, definitely not. They're the gold standard for aftermarket paint/body, nothing but respect. By chop I mean it in the technical sense. Like the fox body mustangs, the verts were factory built but started as coupes and chopped. Viper has always been built bottom to top to be a coupe or vert, which is why the vert is still a great track car with 200+ mph capability. This is a chop version of a coupe, no inference on quality. But personally, I want an SRT viper vert, I'm disappointed, oh well. I'll either eventually break down and snag a track pack or TA car, or try something different.

Never meant anything neg about Prefix or Tomball, they're awesome. Sorry we had the rub there, I'm just a lil irritated by the news not being what I hoped for, if I didn't love the gen5, I wouldn't care, but I do, so I do.

[99RT10]

I agree with the thought in this thread (though maybe not the delivery). People will pay it if the car is worth it. I think most agree based upon the prevailing consensus as well as lack of sales that the Gen V viper's performance and styling value is around 90-100k. It just doesn't have the juice to sell for 130k+ You can only blame marketing for so long. People know about the car, they just don't want it at this pricepoint.

Was there a maximum number of converts being............ converted? :D I think they will sell every one of them if the number is less than 25-30. But as soon as they get some miles and want to sell, the original owner might get 25% of that money back. I personally love the look. I don't need hoops, but it should have come from Dodge, not a Chop-Shop like Flatout said..........................


J/K Andy........:D

[FLATOUT]

Not at all I paid in your range for my TA and couldn't be happier. You have complained about the Gen V on every site and consistently said that if a vert was available that you were a buyer. Even at 110k, I bet you could get a base SRT for mid 80's spend the 35k and fall very close to the price range you just set for yourself. Instead you'll just keep complaining and not buying.




I see the Value of a $100-110 for a Vert. (Fair I think .... the market has spoken) My car is 10 years old now and I'm ready for a new ride. I'm just very disappointed with Dodge tell us all to basically f off by not bringing out a Vert.

I love most of the Gen V guys saying to people that you can't afford it. I hope that makes you all of you feel better for taking it in the shorts. It just shows that the loss of $ hurts ya.

[FLATOUT]

LoL. I think the initial run is 10 cars, but they'll build as needed per the demand. If someone wants one they can have it done.


Was there a maximum number of converts being............ converted? :D I think they will sell every one of them if the number is less than 25-30. But as soon as they get some miles and want to sell, the original owner might get 25% of that money back. I personally love the look. I don't need hoops, but it should have come from Dodge, not a Chop-Shop like Flatout said..........................


J/K Andy........:D

[Newport Viper]

Not at all I paid in your range for my TA and couldn't be happier. You have complained about the Gen V on every site and consistently said that if a vert was available that you were a buyer. Even at 110k, I bet you could get a base SRT for mid 80's spend the 35k and fall very close to the price range you just set for yourself. Instead you'll just keep complaining and not buying.

I know you are trying to be a cheerleader and all for the club & car and that's fine. Tomball is not going to let you buy some random $85,000 Viper from another dealer and convert it if it's not sold from them in the first place.

http://www.viperexchange.com/vehicle-details/2014-dodge-srt-viper-gts-tx-id-6529554

http://www.viperexchange.com/vehicle-details/2014-dodge-srt-viper-srt-tx-id-6529556

[FLATOUT]

That's a good point, but are you sure? Bernie's a salesman if you really wanted a vert I bet he'd work with you to get it into a price range you were comfortable with, within reason.



I know you are trying to be a cheerleader and all for the club & car and that's fine. Tomball is not going to let you buy some random $85,000 Viper from another dealer and convert it if it's not sold from them in the first place.

http://www.viperexchange.com/vehicle-details/2014-dodge-srt-viper-gts-tx-id-6529554

http://www.viperexchange.com/vehicle-details/2014-dodge-srt-viper-srt-tx-id-6529556

[RedTanRT/10]

Tomball is not going to let you buy some random $85,000 Viper from another dealer and convert it if it's not sold from them in the first place.


Seems the urban legend is that you can buy a deeply discounted new viper and send it to Prefix for the conversion. Down the road, maybe but I think the first 10 Prefix/Tomball are building will be using a base viper at close to MSRP.

[FLATOUT]

Seems the urban legend is that you can buy a deeply discounted new viper and send it to Prefix for the conversion. Down the road, maybe but I think the first 10 Prefix/Tomball are building will be using a base viper at close to MSRP.

That's true if they won't let you do that than the price point is definitely higher. Newport have you called Tomball or Prefix and asked?

[TwinVipers]

Seems the urban legend is that you can buy a deeply discounted new viper and send it to Prefix for the conversion. Down the road, maybe but I think the first 10 Prefix/Tomball are building will be using a base viper at close to MSRP.
No urban legend, this is true. They are not deep discounting cars destined to be chopped, I mean converted:t0135: so @ 135-140k for a base vert that is not warrantied thru dodge is a huge stretch for the car! Sure they will sell a handful to those with deep pockets or collectors thinking the car will be worth it down the road, but the average viper owner is not going for it.

[swexlin]

What I want to know is where all the deeply discounted Vipers are? As much as I've said that I'm not "in" as I'd have to let both the 03 and m SRT8 go, if the discounts are THAT good, it might bear consideration.

As for the 'vert, while it's not a factory offering, and I personally am not comfortable with any shop cutting up a couple, if you are, than this is a pretty good deal.

[Coloviper]

Went I get a moment this weekend, I will upload the whole unveil and pics of top being pulled up, trunk, etc. This is a lot of money which I was surprised at the amount but then started to add it up and it is about right for one offs. The rear trunk is all Carbon Fiber, everything is sealed in with new panels. It is a lot of Gen III / IV parts which are proven. The top is a stock Viper GEN III / IV piece. The build is first rate and very factory like. There is no cutting, think of it as unbolting and then bolting on new items. Pretty ingenious and a lot of work went into this. My understanding is the ones sold through Tomball (new ones) will be recognized a little different like their other special editions but in the future you will be able to send your Viper for the conversion if you like.

I am sure a very detailed article will be in the future on this.

Dodge may have a vert in their plans, maybe even a high HP option but they did not even hint at it this weekend. It was pretty much Hellcat, Hellcat, Hellcat from top Dodge Execs and buy it in addition to the Viper, not instead. From my observations and listening in, participating in on discussions etc. this past weekend, the problem is not SRT engineers, SRT marketing, CAAP workers, nor Ralph, it is painfully clear the problem is the top Dodge Execs (Tim, Russ and even Graham who seemed to back peddle from Hellcat pushing initial comments) and obviously Sergio. Sergio's knows what it takes to give the die hards what they want to give the brand (Ferrari, Maserati, etc.) a chance at success as he is very business and financial performance oriented in his approach. There sure seemed to be zero passion for the Viper at those levels and if there was, they need to go to acting school on how to show it.

The event exceeded my expectations but also confirmed my initial concerns on the Dodge management silence and even Sergio concerns. It is clear Ralph and the SRT team had their hands tied from the beginning and did the best they could given the obstacles. Nothing is dead but opportunities to gain confidence from the owners continue to be lost. It is also extremely apparent Dodge Legal is completely out of control. Whether it is crushing older trainer Vipers, paying out for those young techs who killed themselves in a trainer Viper or the SRT engineer who checked out the plant loaner Viper and was killed on the guard cables, etc. etc. it is a sign the PCM will most likely not be out there.

When you live in fear, you can never achieve greatness! That is where Dodge is today, living and operating in fear of the Viper or at least how it looks from the outside in. Accept the car is what it is. The owners expect what they do and tailor it to that unique demo-graph.

Sorry for the small rant, but back to the OP, the vert conversion at Prefix looked absolutely first rate and not a hack job in the slightest. While costly, it is a valid and first class option which does not exist from the manufacturer. We should be happy we at least have that for now.

[swexlin]

Went I get a moment this weekend, I will upload the whole unveil and pics of top being pulled up, trunk, etc. This is a lot of money which I was surprised at the amount but then started to add it up and it is about right for one offs. The rear trunk is all Carbon Fiber, everything is sealed in with new panels. It is a lot of Gen III / IV parts which are proven. The top is a stock Viper GEN III / IV piece. The build is first rate and very factory like. There is no cutting, think of it as unbolting and then bolting on new items. Pretty ingenious and a lot of work went into this. My understanding is the ones sold through Tomball (new ones) will be recognized a little different like their other special editions but in the future you will be able to send your Viper for the conversion if you like.

I am sure a very detailed article will be in the future on this.

Dodge may have a vert in their plans, maybe even a high HP option but they did not even hint at it this weekend. It was pretty much Hellcat, Hellcat, Hellcat from top Dodge Execs and buy it in addition to the Viper, not instead. From my observations and listening in, participating in on discussions etc. this past weekend, the problem is not SRT engineers, SRT marketing, CAAP workers, nor Ralph, it is painfully clear the problem is the top Dodge Execs (Tim, Russ and even Graham who seemed to back peddle from Hellcat pushing initial comments) and obviously Sergio. Sergio's knows what it takes to give the die hards what they want to give the brand (Ferrari, Maserati, etc.) a chance at success as he is very business and financial performance oriented in his approach. There sure seemed to be zero passion for the Viper at those levels and if there was, they need to go to acting school on how to show it.

The event exceeded my expectations but also confirmed my initial concerns on the Dodge management silence and even Sergio concerns. It is clear Ralph and the SRT team had their hands tied from the beginning and did the best they could given the obstacles. Nothing is dead but opportunities to gain confidence from the owners continue to be lost. It is also extremely apparent Dodge Legal is completely out of control. Whether it is crushing older trainer Vipers, paying out for those young techs who killed themselves in a trainer Viper or the SRT engineer who checked out the plant loaner Viper and was killed on the guard cables, etc. etc. it is a sign the PCM will most likely not be out there.

When you live in fear, you can never achieve greatness! That is where Dodge is today, living and operating in fear of the Viper or at least how it looks from the outside in. Accept the car is what it is. The owners expect what they do and tailor it to that unique demo-graph.

Sorry for the small rant, but back to the OP, the vert conversion at Prefix looked absolutely first rate and not a hack job in the slightest. While costly, it is a valid and first class option which does not exist from the manufacturer. We should be happy we at least have that for now.


This an excellent post. While I own an SRT8 as well, and love the new Hellcat, they are SATURATING the media with it. It's what should have been done 2 years ago with the Viper, but was not, and I suspect the reasons are as you stated above. I unfortunately do not have the means (nor the garage space) to buy a Hellcat "in addition to".

We now return you to your regularly scheduled thread....

[v10enomous]

I don't know that SRT is doing anything more to market the Hellcat than the Viper and I suspect that media saturation is just cause and effect from the eye popping 707hp figure at the $60k price point.

Looking back they actually put more effort into marketing the Viper with a year plus build up and huge announcement at the Auto Show with a convention and props. All they did with the Hellcat was release a few unexpected exhaust and burnout videos and show up at Carlisle.


This an excellent post. While I own an SRT8 as well, and love the new Hellcat, they are SATURATING the media with it. It's what should have been done 2 years ago with the Viper, but was not, and I suspect the reasons are as you stated above. I unfortunately do not have the means (nor the garage space) to buy a Hellcat "in addition to".

We now return you to your regularly scheduled thread....

[XSnake]

Ummm, they formed a full race team with 2 cars to help promote the Viper. Most expensive advertising there is. People seem to forget that.

[v10enomous]

Think about it... You can buy a whole 392 Challenger with a shaker hood and huge brakes and nearly 500hp for a about what it costs to chop the roof off a Gen5.

[ACRucrazy]

Think about it... You can buy a whole 392 Challenger with a shaker hood and huge brakes and nearly 500hp for a about what it costs to chop the roof off a Gen5.

Or you could just buy a whole Gen III Viper for the same price and not have a conversion done.
On that note, it looked like a very nice product all said and done. I hope some of you who are able, do spend the money and enjoy the conversions!

[FLATOUT]

Or you could just buy a whole Gen III Viper for the same price and not have a conversion done.
On that note, it looked like a very nice product all said and done. I hope some of you who are able, do spend the money and enjoy the conversions!

I know that we have one ordered and on it's way to Houston. Looking forward to seeing it in person.

[swexlin]

Or you could just buy a whole Gen III Viper for the same price and not have a conversion done.
On that note, it looked like a very nice product all said and done. I hope some of you who are able, do spend the money and enjoy the conversions!

I thought the same thing - it's about what my 03 is worth....wow!

[Bugman Jeff]

From a future collectables standpoint,these limited production aftermarket produced cars often hold their value better. Just look at the Shelby/ Fitzgerald Gen Is and even the much maligned Hennessey cars. Provided they're not thrashed to death, they're all valued higher than the standard factory version. I see a Prefix Gen V vert being in the same category down the road.

[ACRucrazy]

They had 10 Gen Vs at Prefix with numbers on them. Some had sold stickers, some did not.

https://scontent-a-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/t1.0-9/10376731_795138727193450_8897565326538395819_n.jpg

https://scontent-a-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/l/t1.0-9/10408067_795452567162066_5467321535312492612_n.jpg

https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xap1/t1.0-9/10492292_794957017211621_476062571052932951_n.jpg

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/1488272_794560800584576_5305905085540316339_n.jpg? oh=3f7cf7fe97b2285c333c40bb82171ae0&oe=5449B3A0&__gda__=1413864093_8352d7443651cd726a06250a558ae1f 7

https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xfp1/t1.0-9/10431673_794959127211410_3678226348109515963_n.jpg

http://www.digitaltrends.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/prefix-medusa-3_1200.jpg

[SWEEN]

It is good looking!

[v10enomous]

It's an exotic car and this makes it a bit more exotic for the money is no object folks. If I had a couple extra zeros on the end of my paycheck and bank accounts and I liked it, I would buy one.

[Shooter]

I'm not a vert guy, but I think it looks great. Look forward to seeing them in Houston.

[Dman]

So, you do have to buy a car from Tomball exclusively based on this. Interesting.

It looks god, but then I'm a vert guy, so almost no way I wouldn't like it.

And this isn't neg in any way, geesh, but man does it need some kind of rollbar/hoop setup. Someone call Autoform and get them hooked up with Prefix. ;o)

[Policy Limits]

Bring on the ACR vert....from CAAP!

[Viktimize]

You guys calling this an aftermarket chop are out of your minds, you do know this is being done at PREFIX don't you? You do know they already build a good part of your current production Viper correct? I just don't get the hate for Prefix. I'm sure people would have rathered these rolling down the regular production line but lets face it they aren't going to be, so here is the absolute next best option.

No hate for Prefix here. I am amzed at the detail gone into the paint of a Viper. But let's face it, this is a bunch of Gen3 parts slapped on a Gen5, with a one off trunk lid added in. I'm personally not that impressed. They couldn't even make a proper fitting boot cover, it's the same old Gen3 cover, so it doesn't tuck under in the middle where that storage box is on the Gen5.

I think I'm over verts anyway. I was impressed enough after this trip that my 2006 SRT-10 is now for sale, and I see a Gen5 in my future. Hopefully this 800hp factory S/C rumor is true, but even if it isn't I'm sure I can live with a stock 640hp.

[BigBadViper]

Maybe I am off on this but when you typically build a convertible isn't it designed differently? Isn't there rigidity added to the frame to make up for the loss of the top? I just feel pulling the top off and doing nothing else to the car might actually make it a weaker car.

[Steve M]

Maybe I am off on this but when you typically build a convertible isn't it designed differently? Isn't there rigidity added to the frame to make up for the loss of the top? I just feel pulling the top off and doing nothing else to the car might actually make it a weaker car.

For some cars it might be an issue, but remember that the Gen 3/4 frames were originally designed to be convertibles first (the coupes didn't surface until 2006), and the Gen 5 frame is supposed to have 50% more torsional rigidity than the Gen 3/4 frames.

http://www.drivesrt.com/news/2013/05/srt-viper-hallmarks-a-lighter-weight-more-rigid-and-functional-chassis.html

The frame would be the last thing I'd be worried about.

[Dusty1]

After talking with Ben, my understanding is all four roll bar options have been tested and can be used, they weren't for aesthetic reasons at the unveiling. For example, a painted to match or complement autoform could be used.

Richard

[BlknBlu]

Here is my concern. Prefix who partners with Chrysler forthe Viper brand decides to make a very expensive venture by creating a convertible using GEN 3 and 4 parts to make work and the car looks great. On the other hand Dodge has not saud anything yes or no that a vert is on or off the table. What happens to the Prefix modification if Dodge greenlights the vert. I would think if they did it would put a strain on the relationship between the 2 unless Prefix anly palns a very very limitied run anyway.

something to ponder

Bruce

[FrgMstr]

HA HA! Suck it you hatchback drivers! And I mean that in the most friendly way. :D


Convertible owners more educated, well to do

http://www.autoblog.com/2014/07/23/convertible-buyers-cities-trends-experian-report/



A new study from Experian Automotive seeks to quantify the traits that identify the convertible-loving droptop driver. Of course, after reading through the findings, this just kind of confirms a lot of things that have been kind of obvious about convertible owners for kind of a long time.

They're educated, wealthy and older than the average new car customers, with 50 percent holding a bachelor's degree, 19 percent reporting a household income in excess of $175,000 (11.7 percent cleared $1 million), and 72 percent were over the age of 45.

[ACRucrazy]

So very educated, wealthy and older than the average.

http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--IJ4fxdaL--/c_fit,fl_progressive,q_80,w_636/17p1tzqw5n0atjpg.jpg

[Coloviper]

Thought the same thing, but after looking at the emotionless top Dodge Execs this past weekend, I say good to Prefix and Tomball for doing this. Sorry as maybe I am just down on Corporate America BS but Dodge should have got off their butts and done something for the Viper as in a vert model already given the car is out for 2 model years. Prefix looks pretty smart in their business decisions, something tells me they did what they did for a very real purpose.

Prefix knows what they are doing and I suspect their new Prefix Performance Division has some real gems coming out in the future. Ralph was sorely missed this weekend from an excitement and passion point of view for the Dodge/SRT Brand. Just wasn't impressed in what I saw for upper executive management out of Dodge there but have to say was overly impressed with the SRT Engineers, Marketing, Designers and factory workers to where I had complete confidence in what they do and that they are doing their best, over and above. THAT was worth the trip for me right there.

Maybe that passion is there with top Dodge/SRT brass but would have thought a Dodge President who canceled his vacation "supposedly" to be with everyone there at the Chrysler Museum, would have taken the opportunity to introduce himself and gain Viper owner's trust by addressing the crowd or even smiling. Never saw either and in fact he looked down right annoyed to be there. He looked like he did not belong there and it was very apparent he sure looked like he did not want to be there either. It is on this latter point where I have to question Sergio. Starting to feel like Sergio is pure business with no passion. That will not work for the Viper. Never has! Give it what it needs to compete period.

[XSTAR]

HA HA! Suck it you hatchback drivers! And I mean that in the most friendly way. :D


Convertible owners more educated, well to do

http://www.autoblog.com/2014/07/23/convertible-buyers-cities-trends-experian-report/

Saw this today as well and had a good laugh!

[FrgMstr]

Saw this today as well and had a good laugh!


Yeah, that is some of the most idiotic data collection I have ever read through, not worth the ether it is written on. Still sucks to be a hatchback driver!

:lol2:

[VRYALT3R3D]

So very educated, wealthy and older than the average.

http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--IJ4fxdaL--/c_fit,fl_progressive,q_80,w_636/17p1tzqw5n0atjpg.jpg



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-_zcB4Lw6E

:D

[ViperSmith]

The Murano Cabriolet maybe the new Pontiac Aztec

[Mamba52]

Why not put the body panels off a Gen 5 and drop them on a Gen 3. Best of both worlds. You then could have a Gen 5/3 twin turbo Viper.:dropdev:

[Policy Limits]

so you compare changing wheels or adding aero to cutting off the roof of a coupe to make it into a convertible ? Same concept in your opinion.

Why don't you call your insurance company and tell them to change your policy to cover an SRT Convertible and see what they say.

Why don't you stop coming to the V forum with your commentary when you don't even own the car?

[Policy Limits]

All this goes to show is that a lot of money does certainly not by you good taste. I know that they own a lot of nice Vipers, but this is just plain ugly

U do realize that the VOA was given a loan by them to start up right? There's something ugly around here, but it isn't her car...

[cashcorn]

Yes, and the loan has been paid off already. right? who cares.........

[Policy Limits]

I care. I think it's disrespectful to call her car ugly esp after all of her contributions.

[Viper Girl]

So many things in life are subjective... art, autos... and more... Personally I think the ode to #93 was well done, and you probably have to see it in person rather than photos to really "get it"

I mean someone out there thought the dolphin viper was a good idea... I really don't think D's car hits that level of imfamy... LOL

From the very little I know of her, she doesn't have thin skin... There was quite a bit of gawking when her gold car was unveiled as well... That didn't stop her from making the cars what she wants them to be...

[RedTanRT/10]

U do realize that the VOA was given a loan by them to start up right? There's something ugly around here, but it isn't her car...

Policy, after scrolling thorought hundreds of your posts on the board, finally found one insightful, thanks!!!



I care. I think it's disrespectful to call her car ugly esp after all of her contributions.

Now back to a more typical posts

[Policy Limits]

Block me. Then ask if I care.