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Big Miata
04-24-2014, 03:53 PM
Why don't they take advantage of that skip 2015 and do an mmc like they did for the gen iv. Make it a 2016 model and hey bring the vert that you were working on. It would be a great reintroduction. Man we know they cant knock on the door of the f12's power levels but Mr. Giles already said it is good for 700. Why doesn't FIAT let them release a 700hp key or anything to utterly destroy the new Z06 while not looking like an 80's transformer that will look old in 2 years.

And all these little things like a power boost, a vert release and a "new" model are all things that American Buyers love....

BlknBlu
04-24-2014, 04:11 PM
Not sure a vert is even going to happen.

Bruce

Policy Limits
04-24-2014, 05:54 PM
They went from closed in April for a couple of weeks to see you in June. Bet it's lights out indefinitely. Hope all the naysayers are happy.

Big Miata
04-24-2014, 06:04 PM
I kinda was thinking that too but, I'm a glasses half full mentality. With Big Brother Fiat in the financial seat it would behoove them business wise to pull the plug completely. If they could pull the plug for one year and try a re-launch with just the acr bring it back and make the base have 660 hp. Im telling you just like when they broke 500 hp. With a headline viper breaks 700 hp all motor. That might be what it takes to sell the required 1200-1500 a year for the project to be worth it (averaging diminishing returns).

100
04-24-2014, 06:36 PM
Sounds like you guys aren't going to be at the raffle or tour Conner Avenue. I should bring both of my Vipers, three good-looking women to the raffle with me, and beg for a test drive of the 2015. There's no "pity party" for me in Auburn Hills this summer.:car-smiley-003:

ViperSmith
04-24-2014, 06:59 PM
Whats the with debbie downer attitude.

I'd bet you'll see the Vert shortly. 2/3 of Viper sold have been Verts, it is what people want.

Policy Limits
04-24-2014, 07:00 PM
Nah what I want is an Aventador Roadster. Now where is that 1/2 mill I need....

ViperSmith
04-24-2014, 07:03 PM
Nah what I want is an Aventador Roadster. Now where is that 1/2 mill I need....

lol. the 650s has caught my eye. need to sell another business!

Policy Limits
04-24-2014, 07:30 PM
Winning!

Viper Girl
04-24-2014, 07:34 PM
I'd bet you'll see the Vert shortly. 2/3 of Viper sold have been Verts, it is what people want.
I think this post ^^^ is where it's at... Where's that link about Viper being the #1 vert if made... LOL one writers opinion... but still

Big Miata
04-24-2014, 07:58 PM
Yeah, I have been debating weather I want to make the trip or not. Driving it from Washington would be insane and add about 5 k on the car. Or flying in would probably be easier. I di just become a member. A new viper would look great next to a classic. 1 out of 500 eh ...

mnc2886
04-24-2014, 10:49 PM
Winning!

The 650s is an awesome machine. I hope SRT picks it to benchmark against for the ACR. :anonymous:

slitherv10
04-24-2014, 11:02 PM
I think the more power option is going to die out. Not just for the Viper but, with all the sports car and this HP era we have been gong through in the last decade. It looks like all the hype is starting to reside.
The Vert will be the next car and some refinements will be in store for the coupe along with new color combos.

There will more than likely, not, be another ACR for 2015. Maybe 2016. The concentration camp looks like its focusing on the Challenger (hellcat) and Cuda debut in 2015 or 16 for the Cuda.

Maybe that is why the Viper is on hold for the time being. Diversity is a good thing. Never put your eggs in one basket. Spread the wealth. Invest wisely.

Austin
04-24-2014, 11:36 PM
SRT seems to think that Viper owners (or potential buyers) are only looking for neat new colors. We'll see 23 new crazy colors/combos before we see a vert. This was proven at the NY auto show. SRT needs to take some pointers from what GM is doing; giving the customers what they want. Oh, and you can kill any thoughts of ever seeing an ACR.

Big Miata
04-25-2014, 11:03 AM
I dunno I like the colors. Adds a bespoke edge to he car that it deserves. If I was 10 years older (wealthier) I would definitely get a color that popped. It seems that he already released the offroad pcm so maybe it might be a good idea for them to just do colors and special editions and work the kinks out. As a business sense they need to produce the car as long as the government lets them. Everyone else is going smaller forced induction engines, it is like he 80's all over again.

kdaviper
04-25-2014, 11:44 AM
I think the more power option is going to die out. Not just for the Viper but, with all the sports car and this HP era we have been gong through in the last decade. It looks like all the hype is starting to reside.
The Vert will be the next car and some refinements will be in store for the coupe along with new color combos.

There will more than likely, not, be another ACR for 2015. Maybe 2016. The concentration camp looks like its focusing on the Challenger (hellcat) and Cuda debut in 2015 or 16 for the Cuda.

Maybe that is why the Viper is on hold for the time being. Diversity is a good thing. Never put your eggs in one basket. Spread the wealth. Invest wisely.

people have been saying this for the past 20 years, and it hasn't come true yet. The age of performance is not over, just the age of cheap performance.

Creatre
04-25-2014, 11:58 AM
SRT seems to think that Viper owners (or potential buyers) are only looking for neat new colors. We'll see 23 new crazy colors/combos before we see a vert. This was proven at the NY auto show. SRT needs to take some pointers from what GM is doing; giving the customers what they want. Oh, and you can kill any thoughts of ever seeing an ACR.

People want change and uniqueness. It's super easy/cheap to provide more colors, hence the different colors. Developing some aero and maybe some suspension work for an ACR is easy/cheapish. I think that will happen before a vert. Even though I think a vert is what SRT needs to start being a bit more successful with this Viper.

Policy Limits
04-25-2014, 12:05 PM
How about an ACR vert? It's been done. Why limit? Offer coupe, targa, vert, base, performance. That's what the C7 offers & they're flying off the shelves.

Coloviper
04-25-2014, 01:12 PM
How about revving up the threads and posts in that "SRT Headquarters / Factory Area"? That is why it is there.

As far as the doom and gloom in parts of this thread, what is it still snowing at your house? Come on Spring is in the air, new performance and slightly mod-able PCM has been released, new owners added every week, new Vipers are selling and inventory is going down.

Why the piss poor "Bobby pulled Sally's pig tails in the school yard" crap? For all those on the Vette bandwagon here, just go out and buy the Vette already! Be done with it I know I have harped and harped against the new C7 and variants, but I honestly and truthfully do not see what the hell people are attracted to that car. It is just not an attractive automobile. Then again, maybe it is me. I never thought Texting nor this #Tag stuff would take off either. Guess I am a dinosaur relic at 40 because I like classic automotive style, lines and true artist expression by hand?

Either way, there is still plenty to be excited about in Camp-SRT and Club-Viper!!!!

bluesrt
04-25-2014, 01:20 PM
how do you find out what number member you are?:t1232:

Viper Girl
04-25-2014, 02:26 PM
log into the portal B SRT, click on forgot password you'll get an email. with your info

Austin
04-25-2014, 04:00 PM
People want change and uniqueness. It's super easy/cheap to provide more colors, hence the different colors. Developing some aero and maybe some suspension work for an ACR is easy/cheapish. I think that will happen before a vert. Even though I think a vert is what SRT needs to start being a bit more successful with this Viper.



Ok, I can totally understand that one and have no problem with unique colors/combos, etc... However, when your competition unveils their halo car AFTER you, but also continues to introduce other iterations of said halo car because customers are asking for it, then you have a problem. A big one. Im not a brand loyalist in any way, shape, form or fashion, nor do I side with any particular car because I like it more than others. Im a Viper guy, but Im a realist as well, and the real fact is, GM is making more of an impact among car guys/gals than the SRT because they're making cars that people want. Just because someone likes a Viper and is shopping them doesnt mean they're going to purchase one if SRT isnt offering them what they're looking for.

Hypothetical example (I like coupes and verts just for the record): If I were in the market for a GEN V, but all that is offered is a coupe, Im not going buy a coupe if what Im really wanting is a convertible. Why waste my money? There are other cars to look at. We wont see an ACR, and the reason I say this is because IMO, I feel SRT almost feels the TA is their ACR. The TA is what the Viper should have been from the get-go. A vert should have followed shortly there after. We should be looking at seeing an ACR at this point.

Austin
04-25-2014, 05:00 PM
This is what SRT needs.

http://i1304.photobucket.com/albums/s533/weirdsideeffect/arbluetavert_zpsed816427.jpg

Big Miata
04-25-2014, 05:12 PM
I don't see why people seem to think that I support the Bette. I do believe it is a great compromise sports car. Let them have all the automatic convertibles. This car is and will always be America's only exotic. It just seems with all the inventory they should do a 2007 and skip the 2015 year and reintroduce with some more tweaks in 2016. A lot more people are going to buy a 65k hellcat challenger. They need to focus on that to make money. I am saying they could take advantage of this closing by ramping up another re-release.

Track Pack
04-25-2014, 08:32 PM
I'm so glad SRT had the guts to build this Gen 5 and I LOVE mine! Would be nice to see a vert for those die hard convertible buyers but I wouldn't trade my Track Pack for anything in its price range.

Policy Limits
04-25-2014, 08:38 PM
Austin- that's one sexy render!

Big Miata- it is America's exotic! Coming from a Lamborghini I notice that the snake gets similar reactions & attention as the bull did.

Had the car out today for some spirited runs and a sunset cruise. It really is a unique machine.

Photog1
04-25-2014, 10:55 PM
how do you find out what number member you are?:t1232:

It is on your badge

mnc2886
04-25-2014, 11:25 PM
This is what SRT needs.

http://i1304.photobucket.com/albums/s533/weirdsideeffect/arbluetavert_zpsed816427.jpg

Looks good and I'm diggin' the color.

Big Miata
04-25-2014, 11:41 PM
Do one without the ta package for people who are attempting (difficultly) to shed their fast and the furious supra wing loving past.

GuitarSteve2112
04-26-2014, 01:08 AM
I'd like to see what Austin can do with an RT/10 style targa roof and sport bar with the Gen V.

intense
04-26-2014, 08:22 AM
Whats the with debbie downer attitude.

I'd bet you'll see the Vert shortly. 2/3 of Viper sold have been Verts, it is what people want.
Maybe so but since Verts were the only thing offered from '03-'05 it kind of skews those numbers. I personally prefer the coupe and am looking to change.

Coloviper
04-26-2014, 08:48 AM
A lot of older guys simple can not contort to get in the coupe. My dad (65) has a bad back and struggled to get in my GEN III Coupe. He had zero issues getting in and out of my current 96' RT/10.

The vert will really outsell the coupe, not saying it is better as coupe owners tend to be more die hard enthusiasts, racers, etc. Always has! For sales success, the vert is required. Most new owners in the GEN V Viper economic bracket are older and health issues are a reality. No one drives their car that they cringe getting in and out of. A Vert launch would be a totally different situation now for inventory as it would have been low, low, low, but I understand the return to racing coupe requirement.

Lack of non-standard tranny will hurt some sales as some older drivers simply have leg, hip, knee issues. Then again if SRT is okay with losing those sales to preserve Viper soul, then so be it. It is what it is.

MtnBiker
04-26-2014, 10:06 AM
This is what SRT needs.

http://i1304.photobucket.com/albums/s533/weirdsideeffect/arbluetavert_zpsed816427.jpg

That's awesome!!!

Track Pack
04-26-2014, 11:03 AM
I like that deep blue...

Whitemamba
04-26-2014, 03:35 PM
Great work Austin! That blue and the silver and black go perfect together. Love the rear spoiler as well. Damn that is one classy looking car.

Policy Limits
04-26-2014, 03:47 PM
Sexy but everyone knows that Red Vipers are the fastest 8-p

slitherv10
04-26-2014, 05:49 PM
The simplest thing is what sets it off..to me...its the grey, anondized side exhaust trim instead of the black trim they come with that I think makes it look that much more better. that blue is certainly different as well. Very well thought up. now if you can just put a real version together......

Drummerviper
04-26-2014, 07:54 PM
Dear God

Policy Limits
04-26-2014, 09:03 PM
You're right and that's saying a lot. At this price point there's the Lotus Evora, Porsche 991, GT-R, new Z06. Those are all great rides in their own right but the Viper wins in performance, exclusivity, styling, and overall driving experience. People are afraid of a stick and a clutch which is funny because I wanted it for the very reason of having a more challenging car to drive. I think moving forward from here a dual clutch transmission might feel a bit boring and that's the only way you can order a Ferrari or a Lamborghini now. Glad Corvette kept the stick as an option.

100
04-26-2014, 10:04 PM
This is what SRT needs.

http://i1304.photobucket.com/albums/s533/weirdsideeffect/arbluetavert_zpsed816427.jpg
WOW-- Thanks for the inspiration Austin.

100
04-26-2014, 10:07 PM
A lot of older guys simple can not contort to get in the coupe. My dad (65) has a bad back and struggled to get in my GEN III Coupe. He had zero issues getting in and out of my current 96' RT/10.

The vert will really outsell the coupe, not saying it is better as coupe owners tend to be more die hard enthusiasts, racers, etc. Always has! For sales success, the vert is required. Most new owners in the GEN V Viper economic bracket are older and health issues are a reality. No one drives their car that they cringe getting in and out of. A Vert launch would be a totally different situation now for inventory as it would have been low, low, low, but I understand the return to racing coupe requirement.

Lack of non-standard tranny will hurt some sales as some older drivers simply have leg, hip, knee issues. Then again if SRT is okay with losing those sales to preserve Viper soul, then so be it. It is what it is.
Everyone, young and old, have trouble getting in my GTS.

Coloviper
04-26-2014, 10:13 PM
True but the majority of people to buy new are more experienced. The odds are greater for an issue to get in any out with that demo-graph of potential owners. I even gad trouble at times.

ViperSmith
04-26-2014, 10:27 PM
Getting in isn't am issue, you simply fall in

Getting out is the hard part!

Policy Limits
04-27-2014, 08:03 AM
It's tight but I've noticed the side pipe/ sill doesn't burn your leg as much once she's broken in for some reason.

slitherv10
04-27-2014, 08:46 AM
You're right and that's saying a lot. At this price point there's the Lotus Evora, Porsche 991, GT-R, new Z06. Those are all great rides in their own right but the Viper wins in performance, exclusivity, styling, and overall driving experience. People are afraid of a stick and a clutch which is funny because I wanted it for the very reason of having a more challenging car to drive. I think moving forward from here a dual clutch transmission might feel a bit boring and that's the only way you can order a Ferrari or a Lamborghini now. Glad Corvette kept the stick as an option.


Watched that video in one of the threads here Viper vs Lambo LP570 I believe it was and with the Lambo paddle shifting and the Viper manually shifting, the Viper blew his doors off and shifted much faster than the Lambo. Hey, if you know how to drive and shift well, its a no brainer to keep the manual shifting alive. Going DCT will get you comments that most car guys are saying about the DCT,,,too boring, not a drivers car, and very expensive to fix. The trade off of learning to drive and shift well over getting the car to do it for you for the cons, is much greater in my opinion.

Policy Limits
04-27-2014, 08:51 AM
Yeah that e gear system is scary. There's no DIY only dealer and no Vaseline. The moment my extended warranty ran on my Gallardo, I sold it.

Austin
04-27-2014, 12:58 PM
SRT will probably just opt to put a sunroof in. LOL.

And thanks for the compliments, everyone. Still working on a targa version.

FLATOUT
04-27-2014, 01:32 PM
SRT will probably just opt to put a sunroof in. LOL.

And thanks for the compliments, everyone. Still working on a targa version.

Looks awesome buddy!

ACRucrazy
04-27-2014, 02:35 PM
Yeah that e gear system is scary. There's no DIY only dealer and no Vaseline. The moment my extended warranty ran on my Gallardo, I sold it.

Yap, no interest in owning anything like that. Kudos to SRT for KISS with the solid 6 speed that works!

On a related note, I can't wait for homecoming this July! I hope SRT shares some exciting news about the future! :anonymous:

Photog1
04-27-2014, 04:53 PM
Yap, no interest in owning anything like that. Kudos to SRT for KISS with the solid 6 speed that works!

On a related note, I can't wait for homecoming this July! I hope SRT shares some exciting news about the future! :anonymous:

I completely agree!

I Bin Therbefor
04-27-2014, 07:53 PM
I seem to recall Ralph saying that the vert was designed at the same time as the coup and the race car. He also said, just cut off the top where it meets the body for a visual clue. He didn't give any clues as to the rear deck or the convertible mechanism.
Anyone else remember something like this?:confused:

ACRucrazy
04-27-2014, 08:07 PM
I seem to recall Ralph saying that the vert was designed at the same time as the coup and the race car. He also said, just cut off the top where it meets the body for a visual clue. He didn't give any clues as to the rear deck or the convertible mechanism.
Anyone else remember something like this?:confused:

I recall hearing that from pretty much the same thing. I am not doubting the convert at all.