Remember When

[ACRSNK]

Remember when Gerry Wood bought up all of the remaining Viper allocation back at the end of 2016 / early 2017 only to turn around and sell every single one at MSRP? I believe a couple were even discounted if I recall correctly. Looking back, they could have absolutely gouged customers, but chose not to. The were the only game in town if you wanted an ACR for MSRP as we entered 2017. What a stand up move. Just re tipping my hat to them. I have been on the hunt for and trying to buy a Demon 170, and it is insane the markups I am seeing. Makes the markup I paid for my 2022 CFTP Heritage Shelby GT500 look like peanuts. I just received a call from a dealer asking me when I could drop by to give them my deposit on the car with a "market adjustment" of $150K. Wow!!!! Now that's a markup!

Wonder if Gerry Wood is still doing MSRP deals like they did on the Vipers.....

[13COBRA]

Remember when Gerry Wood bought up all of the remaining Viper allocation back at the end of 2016 / early 2017 only to turn around and sell every single one at MSRP? I believe a couple were even discounted if I recall correctly. Looking back, they could have absolutely gouged customers, but chose not to. The were the only game in town if you wanted an ACR for MSRP as we entered 2017. What a stand up move. Just re tipping my hat to them. I have been on the hunt for and trying to buy a Demon 170, and it is insane the markups I am seeing. Makes the markup I paid for my 2022 CFTP Heritage Shelby GT500 look like peanuts. I just received a call from a dealer asking me when I could drop by to give them my deposit on the car with a "market adjustment" of $150K. Wow!!!! Now that's a markup!

Wonder if Gerry Wood is still doing MSRP deals like they did on the Vipers.....

Gerry Wood went out on a big limb. The previous Gen V run of Vipers ended with discount coupons of $15k or so. The bought them back of cost and sold them mostly at MSRP. They made some good coin.

There isn't a Dodge store in the country that would sell them back of cost to anyone today (maybe an outlier or two, but not the general base)...and if they did, I don't think Gerry Wood would still be doing MSRP.

Just my thoughts.

[ACRSNK]

I was just being nostalgic. I know there likely isn't a dealer in the country that would do that now. Just giving props to Gerry Wood as that was a pretty cool thing to do since they literally controlled the Viper market at that time and while Dodge gave out coupons for the people that bought the initial overpriced Vipers, I assure you they were not doing so at the time when Gerry Wood bought the remaining units. Everyone and their cousin wanted a Viper once that was announced. They could have easily charged over sticker if they wanted to.

[13COBRA]

I was just being nostalgic. I know there likely isn't a dealer in the country that would do that now. Just giving props to Gerry Wood as that was a pretty cool thing to do since they literally controlled the Viper market at that time and while Dodge gave out coupons for the people that bought the initial overpriced Vipers, I assure you they were not doing so at the time when Gerry Wood bought the remaining units. Everyone and their cousin wanted a Viper once that was announced. They could have easily charged over sticker if they wanted to.


I guess what I was pointing out was at the time, the market on them was ULTRA questionable. So they were either going to make some money or lose their ass.

In theory they could have fixed the market....but they had them floor-planned at 5-7%, so they could only maintain them for so long anyways.

Props to them for doing it, without them there would be a couple hundred less Vipers in the world.

[JonB ~ PartsRack]

Fond memories of Brad Wood at GWD.....they bought about 30+ sets of Team-Tech color-keyed harnesses from me, including the red-drivers-stripe harness we "invented" for GWD.

[ACRSNK]

I guess what I was pointing out was at the time, the market on them was ULTRA questionable. So they were either going to make some money or lose their ass.

In theory they could have fixed the market....but they had them floor-planned at 5-7%, so they could only maintain them for so long anyways.

Props to them for doing it, without them there would be a couple hundred less Vipers in the world.

Pretty sure he paid cash for the cars. You are right though in that it was a gamble, but it paid off very well.

[13COBRA]

Pretty sure he paid cash for the cars. You are right though in that it was a gamble, but it paid off very well.

I heard a slightly different story from another Dodge store...but who knows.

In the end, I'm glad they did it!

[Scott_in_fl]

And I remember many people dissing Brad and GW for doing that. But for anyone that got to know Brad, you realized he was a good guy and one of us. Glad it worked out for them. Those delivery announcements were some of the best times around here!

[ACRSNK]

It was definitely a cool time in Viper history and very cool to follow the deliveries both here and on YouTube.. Doubt we will be part of anything like that ever again. It was also crazy cool to go to the Viper Assembly plant for the final send off. Wonder where the trunk that we all signed went.

The good ol’days.

[ViperJon]

And disappeared off the face of the earth (forum) as quickly as they arrived. Woodhouse and Viper Exchange would give you MSRP as well but they both had limited stock except for VE buying those 50 or so GTS-R's up. They took a lot of criticism for that but did well on those. I bought mine from Bernie at a great price in one email exchange but it was my fourth new Viper purchase from him so we had a good relationship. RIP.

[ACRSNK]

Looking back at it people were pissed that VE was charging a $10K ADM on the GTS-R’s. That pales in comparison to what dealers are charging on anything perceived as “special” now. And be dealer I spoke to about a Demon 170 wanted $250K over sticker…..

[ViperJon]

Looking back at it people were pissed that VE was charging a $10K ADM on the GTS-R’s. That pales in comparison to what dealers are charging on anything perceived as “special” now. And be dealer I spoke to about a Demon 170 wanted $250K over sticker…..

Actually they weren't at first as they didn't really have a feel for how long they would sit and that was a load of inventory. I would have never bought one certainly with any ADM on it. But towards the end they did when people realized that this was their last chance to get the best SE Viper ever made in the most iconic historical color. :)

That was to stir the pot by the way........

[ViperNC]

My rule with ADM's is simple: That is the sole reason not to buy the car and a clear indication I don't need/want it anymore. Never have and never will pay any ADM. You're just pissing money away at that point. Too bad I wasn't in the Viper market until 2019. Gerry Wood is only an hour from me. Nonetheless, Bernie gave me a deal on mine that I could not pass up and now my car has appreciated quite a bit even with the mileage I have put on it. Its nice to get lucky every now and then...

[ViperGeorge]

Not to rain on the parade, but I didn't have a great experience reaching out to Gerry Wood Dodge on an ACR. They took forever to get back to me and then they didn't want anything to do with a trade on my Competition Blue TA 2.0. I ended up buying an ACR/TA from Bill Pemberton at Woodhouse. He took my TA in trade and had it sold before it even arrived at Woodhouse.

[Policy Limits]

Paid sticker minus 15k with Gastman at Roanoke. Suspect those days are gone. I paid a bit over on my C8 but got it first three years ago.

Ultimately there is the cost of things & then there is the value of them. Value transcends price every time.

[ACRSNK]

Actually they weren't at first as they didn't really have a feel for how long they would sit and that was a load of inventory. I would have never bought one certainly with any ADM on it. But towards the end they did when people realized that this was their last chance to get the best SE Viper ever made in the most iconic historical color. :)

That was to stir the pot by the way........

Not stirring the pot at all. I agree with you 100%

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Actually they weren't at first as they didn't really have a feel for how long they would sit and that was a load of inventory. I would have never bought one certainly with any ADM on it. But towards the end they did when people realized that this was their last chance to get the best SE Viper ever made in the most iconic historical color. :)

That was to stir the pot by the way........

Not stirring the pot at all. I agree with you 100% ;)

[quickster2]

As the Plant Manager during that time I can say that the GW orders were a very welcome addition to the build schedule. They were great to deal with. Until the community fully realized that production was going to end resulting in many last year orders, especially for the ACR's and special additions, building those cars were a lot of fun.

[13COBRA]

As the Plant Manager during that time I can say that the GW orders were a very welcome addition to the build schedule. They were great to deal with. Until the community fully realized that production was going to end resulting in many last year orders, especially for the ACR's and special additions, building those cars were a lot of fun.


I bet that was some fun times.

Do you have some behind the scene photos you could share?

[ACRSNK]

As the Plant Manager during that time I can say that the GW orders were a very welcome addition to the build schedule. They were great to deal with. Until the community fully realized that production was going to end resulting in many last year orders, especially for the ACR's and special additions, building those cars were a lot of fun.

So cool! Can’t imagine what it was like to be working on Vipers all day everyday. Going to the Connor Ave Assembly Plant for the Viper farewell was something I will never forget and am so happy to have been a part of. Can’t imagine the pride you must feel having been in your position. Unfortunately nothing like that will ever be done again.

[Gen2man]

If not for Gerry Wood I wouldn’t still be a viper owner. My Gen2 burnt up in the 2017 Atlas fire. However I own this plain Jane ACR. Actually rarer than most of the dealer special editions. https://youtu.be/bTMI8NtzEXc

[ACRSNK]

If not for Gerry Wood I wouldn’t still be a viper owner. My Gen2 burnt up in the 2017 Atlas fire. However I own this plain Jane ACR. Actually rarer than most of the dealer special editions. https://youtu.be/bTMI8NtzEXc

Are those Brass Monkey wheels? That car looks so sinister in all black. Love it!

[SRT_BluByU]

Not to rain on the parade, but I didn't have a great experience reaching out to Gerry Wood Dodge on an ACR. They took forever to get back to me and then they didn't want anything to do with a trade on my Competition Blue TA 2.0. I ended up buying an ACR/TA from Bill Pemberton at Woodhouse. He took my TA in trade and had it sold before it even arrived at Woodhouse.


I've bought from Bill in the past also.. He was great to work with.. and is a great fella!


As the Plant Manager during that time I can say that the GW orders were a very welcome addition to the build schedule. They were great to deal with. Until the community fully realized that production was going to end resulting in many last year orders, especially for the ACR's and special additions, building those cars were a lot of fun.

Thanks - I was lucky to tour the plant in 2016ish and meet and talk with many of the craftsmen.. something ill never forget.. I've loved every GEn V Viper i've driven (actually every Viper Ive driven) and am appreciative of all your efforts!! Thank You!

[braunstein82]

They did a sponsor thing for me at wanna go fast. Recently they send me all the build specs for those cars in case anyone tries to build a full color log

[quickster2]

None to share unfortunately. There was a policy not to share pictures of Customer's cars without their permission.

[Scott_in_fl]

Actually they weren't at first as they didn't really have a feel for how long they would sit and that was a load of inventory. I would have never bought one certainly with any ADM on it. But towards the end they did when people realized that this was their last chance to get the best SE Viper ever made in the most iconic historical color. :)

That was to stir the pot by the way........

53093

And the recent Mecum Kissimmee VooDoo II that sold at $400k+:

53094

[Policy Limits]

53093

And the recent Mecum Kissimmee VooDoo II that sold at $400k+:

53094

Did you miss the more recent private sale near Half Million?

[RedTanRT/10]

ACRSNK, Yeah Gerry Wood was in the Viper spotlight for 6-12 months of the entire Viper history and was there at the end! Like Cobra/Nick commented, I'm sure they got a smokin' deal way, way back of invoice to commit to take all that production. I wouldn't be surprised if they paid $10-$15K under invoice so selling at sticker made them some good money.

He clearly was a risk taker as sales had really softened and FCA had to reprice (discount) the cars by $15k and give G5 owners a $15k coupon. The C-8 was on the horizon and if they had come out in '16 or '17, selling a $60k list car, it would have not been good.

[ViperGeorge]

ACRSNK, Yeah Gerry Wood was in the Viper spotlight for 6-12 months of the entire Viper history and was there at the end! Like Cobra/Nick commented, I'm sure they got a smokin' deal way, way back of invoice to commit to take all that production. I wouldn't be surprised if they paid $10-$15K under invoice so selling at sticker made them some good money.

He clearly was a risk taker as sales had really softened and FCA had to reprice (discount) the cars by $15k and give G5 owners a $15k coupon. The C-8 was on the horizon and if they had come out in '16 or '17, selling a $60k list car, it would have not been good.

I believe the $15K coupons were only given to 2013 and 2014 buyers. If memory serves the coupon had something to do with Dodge cancelling most of their racing program (NASCAR for example) which the premium that the 2013 and 2014 buyers paid was funding. Could be wrong.

[RedTanRT/10]

I believe the $15K coupons were only given to 2013 and 2014 buyers. If memory serves the coupon had something to do with Dodge cancelling most of their racing program (NASCAR for example) which the premium that the 2013 and 2014 buyers paid was funding. Could be wrong.

George, they cut the price of any unsold Viper by $15k, then adjusted the price down by $15k on new production. Owners at that time were given a $15k coupon to buy/trade for a G5

Here's an article from AutoWeek back then explaining what happened. I think for many folks reading this article, they will be kind of shocked to read how slow G5 sales were back then


https://www.autoweek.com/news/a1905221/dodge-viper-gets-15k-price-cut-spur-sales/

[ACRSNK]

ACRSNK, Yeah Gerry Wood was in the Viper spotlight for 6-12 months of the entire Viper history and was there at the end! Like Cobra/Nick commented, I'm sure they got a smokin' deal way, way back of invoice to commit to take all that production. I wouldn't be surprised if they paid $10-$15K under invoice so selling at sticker made them some good money.

He clearly was a risk taker as sales had really softened and FCA had to reprice (discount) the cars by $15k and give G5 owners a $15k coupon. The C-8 was on the horizon and if they had come out in '16 or '17, selling a $60k list car, it would have not been good.

I still think it was pretty cool that the sold them at no higher than MSRP. When he bought the remaining inventory, he could have easily asked for way more than sticker. I remember those times well and it went from no big deal to none left overnight. People were looking to buy once they found out no more and no more orders being taken. They could have held the cars hostage, but didn't. They may have disappeared, but there was no reason for them to continue on with the forum after they sold all their cars. I think it was pretty cool that they kept us informed on what was being delivered and sold as it happened. They didn't have to do that either. That was very cool to watch.

[RedTanRT/10]

ACRSNK, Yep it was great he sold for list, as I wrote before, he probably had a $10-$15k margin advantage over the other dealers. Unusual times back then, and probably 1/2 the ACR buyers had never owned a Viper before.

[ViperGeorge]

George, they cut the price of any unsold Viper by $15k, then adjusted the price down by $15k on new production. Owners at that time were given a $15k coupon to buy/trade for a G5

Here's an article from AutoWeek back then explaining what happened. I think for many folks reading this article, they will be kind of shocked to read how slow G5 sales were back then


https://www.autoweek.com/news/a1905221/dodge-viper-gets-15k-price-cut-spur-sales/

I received a coupon for my 2014 and used it on a 2015 TA 2.0. Yes the price was dropped from 2014 to 2015 and that is why those of us that bought the car before the drop in price got the coupon. They were basically giving us back the $15K premium we paid in 2014. My 2014 GTS was something like $149K while my 2017 ACR was like $126K. The way I read your original post I thought you were implying that they gave coupons to folks that bought 2015-17 cars. My bad if I misunderstood.

I'd also add that Dodge screwed up big time with the launch. Customer ordered cars were back burnered while dealer orders for inventory were given priority. People that bought a Viper generally wanted what they wanted not something a dealer had ordered. This is one of the main reasons that there was such a high inventory.

[ACRSNK]

Dodge should come back with coupons for the Demon 170 to offset dealer gouging.

[Policy Limits]

I'd also add that Dodge screwed up big time with the launch. Customer ordered cars were back burnered while dealer orders for inventory were given priority. People that bought a Viper generally wanted what they wanted not something a dealer had ordered. This is one of the main reasons that there was such a high inventory.

So true. I ordered a Shadow Blue Pearl GTS & ended up applying my deposit to an Adrenaline Red dealer one nearly a year later since I was sick of waiting for my order.

My 17 order was a piece of cake when compared to my 13 order.....

[ViperJon]

I think for many folks reading this article, they will be kind of shocked to read how slow G5 sales were back then
https://www.autoweek.com/news/a1905221/dodge-viper-gets-15k-price-cut-spur-sales/

Sales were dead in the water until they announced the end of production AND the introduction of the TA1, TA2 and the ACR specialized trims.

[Policy Limits]

It doesn’t take a marketing genius to figure out that you should sell what the consumer actually wants. They botched that concept as well as quality control in the beginning of the generation.

I just saw the Aventador successor reveal on top gear vídeo. It is a hybrid plug in car. These naturally aspirated V10 snakes with manual transmission are the keepers at this point....

[13COBRA]

Sales were dead in the water until they announced the end of production AND the introduction of the TA1, TA2 and the ACR specialized trims.


100% correct.

[Bill Pemberton]

Unfortunately plenty of misinformation here and since this will continue into the history of the Viper I can say with certainty that Gerry Wood did not get any deal under invoice. That said I will also interject that Woodhouse, Roanoke and Tomball all felt quite betrayed as we all kept asking SRT when ordering would stop and everyone of us would have jumped at the chance to get more cars but we were not offered. The irony is I know Gastman and I were talking constantly with them about all the long term customers we were working with on special orders and I am sure Tomball was in the same boat. Since Woodhouse and Roanoke took extra Vipers every time Corporate asked ( even when Sales were down for two Decades ) ) and I know Tomball did also when they came into the game later, it was a shock we were not given the opportunit, especially as we conveyed we would do anything to help.

Gerry Wood pulled a coup and we were as shocked as anyone, Woodhouse lost over 30 Sales to customers I was working with for custom Vipers, John lost some also - I am sure the situation was the same with Tomball. Wood made a bold move, it worked, and none of us who had supported the Viper community ever thought of this, as Sales had always been based on " Turn and Earn ," and as we were talking to Corporate often it absolutely left us floored.

The three of us did get our own " Dealer Editions " yet no one was given preferential treatment on invoice pricing and that should be noted. I do know Woodhouse sold every vehicle at MSRP, or a bit less, and overall it is just a tiny Chapter in a very long, gratifying and friendly relationship with SRT. I felt compelled to bring this up because statements saying Gerry Wood got a big price cut from Corporate is the kind of incorrect information that not corrected lives on for years to come as if gospel.

[Policy Limits]

In the spirit of setting the record straight there were just two Manufacturer Dealer Editions: Tomball & Roanoke....

Got any ACR/TA stickers left?

[Bill Pemberton]

Arguing on Forums is ridiculous because often one person thinks they know more than the other, but if I walked into your office telling you how to write a legal contract you would probably laugh. Well, I fortunately sat in my office for years doing nothing but selling Vipers, chatting with customers, talking to SRT ( engineering and marketing ) and since you know so much about what Woodhouse does , I am sure you know that the concept of doing a Dealer Special Edition was entirely our idea. We were smart enough to suggest to Corporate that other Dealers be involved and when they agreed, they had discussions with the 6 largest Dealers in the US, as they wanted each Store to do more than a few cars. Only three of us decided to do the cars, and we were thrilled they liked the idea and that it was moved forward for production. Roanoke did 10, Tomball did 10, and we did 20 .............oh, sorry you are going to correct the number, but "Mr. Know it All" I am talking about the first " Dealer Car, " the ACR Convertible ( the lowest production coded Viper ever built ).

Gee, since you apparently were in on the conference calls with Tomball, Roanoke and Woodhouse you apparently know I had been bugging Dodge/SRT again to do a " Dealer Edition " and I even suggested it be offered to all Dealers if they did a decent number. They decided to just do Editions for the three of us and I even got a call from an Individual from Dodge saying we are going to do your idea again. Well , since it was our idea, we did not particularily like the red/white/blue model because we thought it looked like one of Keating's race car paint schemes , and we already had our own idea, hence we balked. Dodge/SRT called us back and said they would do our Edition as we wanted and no they did not want to as it was not as easy to do, but they did, blocking various parts so they could be used for our Edition and not come up short.

You seem to think you know everything and I will not be goaded because it is so obvious how little you understand getting things done with a Corporate Giant are, and the folks that helped get the car done with severe shortages at the end of production showed us at the Store how much they respected us. I will not name names ( I too can invoke Dealer/ SRT client privilege ) because
I and Woodhouse never leaked anything over all the years doing stuff with Dodge/SRT, we had so many folks help us that are still there, and when someone tells us/me not to ever mention they helped, I take that as gospel. See, integrity and ethics mean you keep your promises even when it would be to your benefit to tell all , and name individuals, but surprise, you are not entitled to know anymore than that, just like I am not entitled to know what you do in your Law Firm.

By the way, my payments were not within " Policy Limits " the were given with respect and trust. The fact that Dodge/SRT listened to me, granted me and Woodhouse unusual access, being trusted beyond normal measure was my pay ----- I don't need to prove anything to you, I already did that with Dodge. Thanking them for all the years was to honor their requests and I will likely go to the grave with a small book of secrets, but I know what I was allowed to participate in, I know who called me, I know who trusted me, I know who valued my advice and I know those who have the same passion I do for the Viper. For them to let me work with them is my compensation and I will forever be blessed by having involvement.

PS - By the way, John Gastman , who is a very good friend and the " Competitor " I have utmost respect for called me and stated, " Damn , Bill, you did it again!" Bernie Katz also called, and after asking me how I did it, and calling me a SOB, congratulated me for what he called a coup. Many folks know he and I did not always see eye to eye, but his call validated my persistence.

Please tell those folks who helped us sell out the car in less than 2 hours they were wrong ( it actually was less than that though I have no desire to explain that to you ) and when another Stellantis Exec. called me and said, " Damn, Bill , that is the car we should have built, " do you actually believe I care about your constant jibes?

Enjoy your Viper, join the Club again since you get plenty of rewards being on the Forum and have a nice day.

[Policy Limits]

The Edition was limited to two dealers (though initially planned for three) and in the vein of integrity I will certainly leave it at that......

One is entitled to as many opinions as desired. However, facts not so much. The fact of the matter is that the Final Year of The Viper had Six official Manufacturer Special Editions. They all have 25th Anniversary Dash badges as authentic factory releases. If a car doesn't have that it doesn't mean that it isn't still great. All Vipers are.

And yes, it is apparent that you do care. Lmaooo!

[Bill Pemberton]

You're right, I do care.......about all the Dodge folks who made sure our Dealer Edition came to fruition. Afraid I do know the facts and you goading me over the years does not " Entitle " you to know anymore.

Fact is the first Gen V Viper to sell for $250K was at Barrett Jackson in 2018 -- an ACR/TA Woodhouse Dealer Edition with factory numbered badge.

When are you going to join VOA since you spend alot of time on this Forum and it is a valuable source of Viper information.

[Policy Limits]

A Quarter Million for a sticker slapper is a great deal!

They are beautiful cars with awesome orange paint & will continue to climb in value!

[ViperGeorge]

A Quarter Million for a sticker slapper is a great deal!

They are beautiful cars with awesome orange paint & will continue to climb in value!

One just sold for over $380,000. And they are not sticker slappers. Do you have any idea what Bill had to go through to get Dodge to do 10 special cars? Clearly you don't.

[ACRSNK]

I would love to own an ACR/TA. ViperGeorge....please sell me your car!

[ViperGeorge]

I would love to own an ACR/TA. ViperGeorge....please sell me your car!

Well everything is for sale at a price. The price would be really high though. Prefix 9L Xtreme, Nth moto clutch (brand new), DSE trans/diff cooler, and both an ACR and TA sticker. :o

[13COBRA]

Well everything is for sale at a price. The price would be really high though. Prefix 9L Xtreme, Nth moto clutch (brand new), DSE trans/diff cooler, and both an ACR and TA sticker. :o

How about Two dollas?

[ACRSNK]

Well everything is for sale at a price. The price would be really high though. Prefix 9L Xtreme, Nth moto clutch (brand new), DSE trans/diff cooler, and both an ACR and TA sticker. :o

That sounds expensive ;) but I am still interested.

[Policy Limits]

One just sold for over $380,000. And they are not sticker slappers. Do you have any idea what Bill had to go through to get Dodge to do 10 special cars? Clearly you don't.

Dodge did ten special cars? Or Woodhouse? He wouldn't deny the allegation that the manufacturer did not apply the side decal. Again, it is a Beautiful car. No one is more thrilled to see the value of it and other Gen V's soar through the roof than myself.

In our lifetime these snakes will see 7 figure value. Half way there already with the recent sale of that Blue & White one. Rock on!

[RedTanRT/10]

Hey Bill P, glad to see you posting, hope everything is going well for you!!

Hey I speculated Wood got a great deal on those Vipers. I've been in the industry a long time on the OEM side and have a number big volume FCA dealer friends. Over the years I've seen a number of side deals from Open Points, to big Co-op payments, parts deals, etc. etc. Look also back to '08, some FCA dealers got rewarded while others got terminated. Senior Individuals have plenty of discretionary powers!

I figured something was up, especially when a dealer from nowhere in the Viper scene jumps in and makes a big commitment, and, the factory bypasses 3 strong Viper dealers. I have a hard time believing his pulled a coup on charm!! Take care!

[RedTanRT/10]

ACRSNK, read in today's Automotive News Gerry Wood sold all his stores about a month ago


Here's another article I found regarding the sale.

https://www.autonews.com/dealers/randy-marion-automotive-buys-4-north-carolina-dealerships

[Policy Limits]

The Gerry Wood "Solid Edition" is right up there with Billy's Sticker Slapper! Hahaha.

[ViperGeorge]

The Gerry Wood "Solid Edition" is right up there with Billy's Sticker Slapper! Hahaha.

You do know that you have no idea what the F you are talking about. If you knew more of the backstory behind the ACR/TA you would be ashamed of your posts on Bill. You know of the one of one program, correct? You know that every car built in the one of one program had to be unique in some way. Did you know that Bill was able to get Dodge to build 10 IDENTICAL cars under the one of one program. Gerry Woods couldn't do that neither could any of the other Viper dealers. Did you know that Bill also convinced Dodge to do a limited number of Gen 4 CONVERTIBLE ACRs? Dodge customized the aero for the convertible and only Woodhouse sold them. When one goes on sale they command a real premium.

You wouldn't know but Bill convinced Dodge to install the higher 6th gear transmission in my 2015 TA 2.0 because I wanted to use the car on One Lap where I had to do 600-700 miles in a night on the highway. Dodge had gone to back to the higher 6th gear in 2015 for the GTS but not the TA 2.0. Mine was the only TA made in 2015 with the higher 6th gear. He also managed to get my ACR/TA moved up in the production line because of One Lap. It is number 4 but it was the first one built.

I won't take anything away from your car, it is a very nice car but why do you insist on trashing the ACR/TA? I know why and it has something to do with your request for Bill to fly a Viper tech to your home to do something on your car. Bill will probably be upset with my post, he is not one to pick an argument. I on the other hand am fed up with your BS.

[Scott_in_fl]

PWND

[serpent]

https://moparinsiders.com/we-look-at-a-dozen-of-the-best-gen-v-dodge-viper-special-editions/

Looks like the ACR/TA pulls ahead of the Roanoke edition.

[ACRSNK]

I agree with that ranking :)

Viper George….it is clear that the ACR/TA is not worth owning. Let me do you a favor and take it off your hands so you can buy a Dealer Edition, or something that you can actually be seen in without embarrassment. Just looking to help out a fellow Viper enthusiast;)

[ViperJon]

I agree with that ranking :)

I agree with your agreement....:). Two errors though....the article states: This special edition ACR/TA Viper comes with the ACR-E’s carbon ceramic brakes and aero kit. I don't believe it got the CCB's. Secondly that wonky non ACR-E snakeskin green with the fang stripes should not be #4. Maybe 8 or 9.

[ViperGeorge]

I agree with your agreement....:). Two errors though....the article states: This special edition ACR/TA Viper comes with the ACR-E’s carbon ceramic brakes and aero kit. I don't believe it got the CCB's. Secondly that wonky non ACR-E snakeskin green with the fang stripes should not be #4. Maybe 8 or 9.

That is true the ACR/TA was configured with steel TA brakes for track use. Bill wanted to make them less expensive to replace.

[ViperGeorge]

I agree with that ranking :)

Viper George….it is clear that the ACR/TA is not worth owning. Let me do you a favor and take it off your hands so you can buy a Dealer Edition, or something that you can actually be seen in without embarrassment. Just looking to help out a fellow Viper enthusiast;)

Haha, I really appreciate the offer. I might get more for it if I ripped off the TA decal and sold it as a plain ACR. I mean who wants to buy a "sticker slapper" anyway? Oh wait, I think the last ACR/TA that was sold went for more than $380,000, maybe a "sticker slapper" is worth something.

[serpent]

Haha, I really appreciate the offer. I might get more for it if I ripped off the TA decal and sold it as a plain ACR. I mean who wants to buy a "sticker slapper" anyway? Oh wait, I think the last ACR/TA that was sold went for more than $380,000, maybe a "sticker slapper" is worth something.
Now I'm curious what the highest Roanoke Edition sold for?

[ViperJon]

The big ticket Special Editions all were wrapper cars so hard to compare model to model. The 400K+ GTS-R was serial number #1 with no miles on it. The aforementioned ACR/TA was no miles as well. Same car with 2K miles on it is 50K-75K+ less.

[Cody's Car Conundrum]

I agree with your agreement....:). Two errors though....the article states: This special edition ACR/TA Viper comes with the ACR-E’s carbon ceramic brakes and aero kit. I don't believe it got the CCB's. Secondly that wonky non ACR-E snakeskin green with the fang stripes should not be #4. Maybe 8 or 9.

Fun fact: Back when that article came out I was a contributor on that site and actually wrote that article. To clear up some things: The article isn't a "ranking the best GEN V special editions" article, it's just showing all the special editions the Gen V had and the chronological order they came out in (hence why the GTS Launch Edition is the first car on the list haha). Secondly, that ACR/TA brake type error is embarrassing! Thought I knew better than that at the time :mad:. I remember making an insta post around the same time with a photo of that ACR/TA and being confused then too though so *facepalm*.

Another mistake in that article (that was actually pointed out in a different thread a while ago) is the incorrect production number of the TA 2.0. I believe I went to FCA's media website to find out what the production numbers on TA 2.0s were and it said 96, when in reality they intended on it being 96 but didn't get anywhere close to that amount.

Sorry for letting Viper Nation down there haha

[ACRSNK]

Haha, I really appreciate the offer. I might get more for it if I ripped off the TA decal and sold it as a plain ACR. I mean who wants to buy a "sticker slapper" anyway? Oh wait, I think the last ACR/TA that was sold went for more than $380,000, maybe a "sticker slapper" is worth something.

Don’t ever rip that decal off. You are very lucky to have such a special car.

My offer stands :)

[ViperGeorge]

Don’t ever rip that decal off. You are very lucky to have such a special car.

My offer stands :)

I do really appreciate your offer! If I ever decide to sell I will let you know.

[Policy Limits]

I know why and it has something to do with your request for Bill to fly a Viper tech to your home to do something on your car.

Now that is hysterical! At least there is contunuity in and to the lies.

I love your car & think it is awesome. There is just a difference between dealer allocation and official authentic manufacturer releases like the factory special editions. Gerry Wood Solid Editions and other editions were Frankensteined by the dealer and are not manufacturer creations per the press release. Those Vipers are still great, they all are.

Hang on to yours for sure. It had one of the biggest sales so far and it will be an important part of Viper history.

[Policy Limits]

https://moparinsiders.com/we-look-at-a-dozen-of-the-best-gen-v-dodge-viper-special-editions/

Looks like the ACR/TA pulls ahead of the Roanoke edition.

Wow what a great list. Thanks for sharing!

[Lawineer]

https://moparinsiders.com/we-look-at-a-dozen-of-the-best-gen-v-dodge-viper-special-editions/

Looks like the ACR/TA pulls ahead of the Roanoke edition.

This is awesome.

Normally, when cars have all these stupid "special editions" and "limited packages" and etc., it just screams of a marketing cash grab. The Viper is so special in that it has so many packages and special editions- probably more than any car I can think of by a lot (especially considering how few there are to begin with)- and I love every single one. Every time I see one, I change my mind and decide "nope, that's definitely my favorite." Even my "generic" black + gun metal striped GTS still makes me stop and stare on my way out the door. It's one of the very few cars that, completely outside the driving experience, it makes me happy just to own it and see it every morning.

If I dont get close to a Z06 by year end, I'll probably get a 991 GT3/GT3RS or start a 69 Corvette LS/T56 type project. I will likely drive any one of those cars much more than the Viper (and certainly track the piss out of the Porsche/Z06 while my Viper likely won't ever see the track), but I'd absolutely sell any of those cars 3x over before I sold the Viper. And it's odd for me to have that sort of emotional attachment to any car, but especially a Dodge/Mopar. I've never cared for Mopar, always been a GM guy since I was a kid and there isn't a single other Dodge/Mopar car I am really interested in.

[13COBRA]

This is awesome.

Normally, when cars have all these stupid "special editions" and "limited packages" and etc., it just screams of a marketing cash grab. The Viper is so special in that it has so many packages and special editions- probably more than any car I can think of by a lot (especially considering how few there are to begin with)- and I love every single one. Every time I see one, I change my mind and decide "nope, that's definitely my favorite." Even my "generic" black + gun metal striped GTS still makes me stop and stare on my way out the door. It's one of the very few cars that, completely outside the driving experience, it makes me happy just to own it and see it every morning.

If I dont get close to a Z06 by year end, I'll probably get a 991 GT3/GT3RS or start a 69 Corvette LS/T56 type project. I will likely drive any one of those cars much more than the Viper (and certainly track the piss out of the Porsche/Z06 while my Viper likely won't ever see the track), but I'd absolutely sell any of those cars 3x over before I sold the Viper. And it's odd for me to have that sort of emotional attachment to any car, but especially a Dodge/Mopar. I've never cared for Mopar, always been a GM guy since I was a kid and there isn't a single other Dodge/Mopar car I am really interested in.

My dad just sold his 2018 GT3.. it was a neat car, just lacking the "cool" factor. Ended up with a McLaren 620R.

[ACRSNK]

I do really appreciate your offer! If I ever decide to sell I will let you know.

Thank you :)

[ACRSNK]

I agree with your agreement....:). Two errors though....the article states: This special edition ACR/TA Viper comes with the ACR-E’s carbon ceramic brakes and aero kit. I don't believe it got the CCB's. Secondly that wonky non ACR-E snakeskin green with the fang stripes should not be #4. Maybe 8 or 9.

Good catch on the ACR/TA brakes. A little detail that only a real Viper enthusiast would catch.

[ViperJon]

When I was looking at which of the special editions was going to be my last purchase it was a no brainer for me it had to be the GTSR. However….had the ACR/TA been in the mix at that time that would have made things a lot more difficult. I LOVE the orange, had it on my TA1 and my Superleggera. I loved the TA cloth interior as well. TBH not sure which way I would have went. Never gave a moments thought to values down the road. Probably still would have got what I did but the ACR/TA is by far my second favorite and it’s thisclose.

[Policy Limits]

"Unofficial limited edition cars" are talked about here: https://www.autoblog.com/2016/10/06/dodge-viper-gerry-wood-limited-edition/

Pretty sure Gerry sold every one too.

Agree on that orange paint. Also always loved Stryker Purple. I think the close 2nd for me would be the Vooodoo II, very sinister all murdered out.

[No hemi]

Great list, for me it would be 1. GTSR/VOODOO II
2. Ceramic Blue ( which strangely ive rarely seen them but LOVE the color)
3. ACR/TA
4. Launch edition

[Policy Limits]

Check out how far this market has come in just seven years for snakes in general:

[Lawineer]

I remember buying in Jan 2021 and everyone telling me I was crazy for buying at the peak of the market. Same thing with my house in August 2014. Aside from energy stocks when oil went negative, it's been my best performing investment (in hindsight, buying energy back then seems like such a no brainer).

(TBF, I honestly thought it was a bad time to buy both times, but I just wanted a sports car again and didn't want to rent anymore. Got lucky!)

[jrubin80]

Kinda funny to me that I can pick out the exact data point in there that's mine. Best 120k I've ever spent!

[Policy Limits]

Don't forget private sales. It seems the highest one was the blue & white for just under 500k.

It might be time to grab the TRX, last Demon to compliment the last Viper. Seems everything is going hybrid and we know what that will lead to.

[Arizona Vipers]

Fun fact: Back when that article came out I was a contributor on that site and actually wrote that article. To clear up some things: The article isn't a "ranking the best GEN V special editions" article, it's just showing all the special editions the Gen V had and the chronological order they came out in (hence why the GTS Launch Edition is the first car on the list haha). Secondly, that ACR/TA brake type error is embarrassing! Thought I knew better than that at the time :mad:. I remember making an insta post around the same time with a photo of that ACR/TA and being confused then too though so *facepalm*.

Another mistake in that article (that was actually pointed out in a different thread a while ago) is the incorrect production number of the TA 2.0. I believe I went to FCA's media website to find out what the production numbers on TA 2.0s were and it said 96, when in reality they intended on it being 96 but didn't get anywhere close to that amount.

Sorry for letting Viper Nation down there haha

Very cool Cody! Great article!