1 2 Mill Life

[Policy Limits]

Anyone on here?

[13COBRA]

Cool car.

[Policy Limits]

It looks like a Gen 2 on steroids. Ha.

Title is supposed to be 1/2 Mill not 1 2 and cannot be edited.

Wonder what the deal looked like. Not an auction so you cant see what the closing number is. With those miles its probably close.

[Nth Moto]

I know the new owner, it's coming here for a build. Should be super exciting!

[Mr. Acoustics]

It that the same car that lived in the lobby of Prefix? If I am not mistaken that car got sold off after the passing of the founder Kim Zeile.

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[RT SERPENT]

Gorgeous car!

[13COBRA]

It that the same car that lived in the lobby of Prefix? If I am not mistaken that car got sold off after the passing of the founder Kim Zeile.

53040

Yes, same car.

[Lawineer]

I know the new owner, it's coming here for a build. Should be super exciting!

What kind of build? Straight line or road racing? Please don't say it's going to be another mega hp build :(

[VENOM-TA]

What kind of build? Straight line or road racing? Please don't say it's going to be another mega hp build :(
Crazy to spend that much on a pristine single digit mile car to turn around and TT it.. not that TT is bad cause it’s what I’d love to do to mine.. But that car is a serious collector car..

[Aevus]

cars are meant to be driven

[ACRSNK]

That car is beautiful!

[ViperJon]

cars are meant to be driven

Thats why you buy one with miles on it already since you're tearing it down anyway? This guy paid wayyyyyy over average market value to get one with no mileage. To each his own.

[ViperGeorge]

When I was thinking about an ACR with a 9 liter I found one with a 9 liter that was virtually identical to the one in this thread, except not matte. I've always loved this color combo. The car had very low mileage and was kept in a bubble in a heated garage. This was in December of 2020. I didn't want to modify my ACR/TA so I figured I would just buy a second ACR that was already upgraded.

It was listed for $185K but Bill Pemberton knew the owner and he put me in touch with him. The owner was willing to sell it to me for $165K. However the car was on consignment until the end of January, 2021. He looked to see if he could cancel the consignment but no dice. So we decided to wait figuring the car would not sell at $185K. Wrong! A week before the end of January it sold.

I was bummed so I said "Fu@k it, I'm going to upgrade my ACR/TA" which I did. There is always the one that got away. In any event the new owner probably just fell in love with the car and said "I want it!" Good for him, he would probably be kicking himself if he didn't buy it and someone else did.

[ViperGeorge]

Yes, same car.

I'm confused. The car the OP posted is an ACR-E, the one with the Prefix window decal looks to be a 2013 First Edition. It is not an ACR. Oh wait, you are referring to the matte B/W in the back. My bad.

[Hawk]

$500 K to me is a whole lot of money but to some its not. The guy near me at the marina world trade in his 65’ Viking every 3 years and get a new on at about a $500K upgrade. Never mine the $9K it cost to fill the fuel tank ! The new owner of this viper can clearly afford it and fell in love with the color. Good for him and I hope he enjoys driving it, for anyone that doesn’t drive there’s you don’t know what your missing. If he bought it for an investment than I would tell him bad move ,plenty of things to invest money in that would bring a bigger return
BTW love the color ,there was a matt red one for sale about 2 years ago for just $150K I think the matte finish looks fantastic
Just my $.02

[Mikey]

Casually buying a 500k collector's item and then immediately throwing twin turbos on it. That's the dream

[Policy Limits]

6 miles would be one mile per year in six years lol. Then again I think they come with a few delivery miles from the factory so it was driven even less. I broke in two Gen V cars so far & i think the idle drops from 1100 RPMs to about 500 RPMs around one thousand miles. That means this thing is no where near being broken in yet. Wow. I wonder if such owners still do oil changes & other Maintenance even though it sits. My car only has 2500 miles but I did a break flush last year and did at least half dozen oil and filter changes not to mention its run monthly to keep the fuel moving through so gas doesn't go bad. Interesting how big a premium can be paid for single digit mileage cars.

I hope the post build is posted to check out once the work is complete.

[Lawineer]

I can't imagine it's getting sent to Nth and not getting the engine cracked open. I'm sure it will be fine. Worst case is there is a little surface rust on the cylinder walls and it gets fresh bearings.

[quickster2]

I would just preserve the original engine and build whatever suited me.

[Lawineer]

Casually buying a 500k collector's item and then immediately throwing twin turbos on it. That's the dream

We all have Gen 5 vipers here. We're all pretty damn fortunate. 10 years ago, I would have thought anyone with a dedicated race car, a $135k (ish) Viper, daily driver and then just stroking a check for 800hp secondary daily driver to be living a dream. And it is, even if a very small percentage of people have nicer dreams.

Not to get too warm and fuzzy, but almost everyone in the world considers even us "regular G5 folk" to be living dreams.

[Mikey]

Fair enough, social media has made me forget that not everyone is a multimillionaire at 23 making 200k a month while looking at a graph sipping fancy drinks in the Bahamas

[Lawineer]

Fair enough, social media has made me forget that not everyone is a multimillionaire at 23 making 200k a month while looking at a graph sipping fancy drinks in the Bahamas

There's a bunch of them in Silicone Valley that are going to be selling those beach houses in the Bahamas next week. I'll be looking at their mountain homes.

edit: lmfao. and signature bank just went under. RIP.

[ViperGeorge]

Something like 9 out of 11 times since the 1960s when the Fed increased interest rates quickly they caused a recession. The Fed is always late to the party (inflation is transitory) and when they get there they drink too fast. The rapid rise in interest rates caused bond prices to tank. Any bank that has a large portfolio of fixed income securities would have to mark them down showing paper losses (unless they are held to maturity). Might be a good time to buy FRC.

[Lawineer]

Something like 9 out of 11 times since the 1960s when the Fed increased interest rates quickly they caused a recession. The Fed is always late to the party (inflation is transitory) and when they get there they drink too fast. The rapid rise in interest rates caused bond prices to tank. Any bank that has a large portfolio of fixed income securities would have to mark them down showing paper losses (unless they are held to maturity). Might be a good time to buy FRC.

Kind of.

Spiking interest rates certainly has a high risk of creating chaos. Markets love (and are predicated to a certain degree) on stability. So yeah, changing something big very quickly is going to screw up something.
What it really does is catch people with their pants down / hands in the cookie jar/ whatever. These banks went all in and were not hedged. Banks should not be taking any risks where catastrophic outcomes are reasonably on the table. I mean, come on- give me a break. You didn't foresee that interest rates could go up? They were damn near zero. It wasn't like they were buying these things as a short term investment to hold to maturity. Even if it was spread out over longer term, it would have been a disaster. And honestly, interest rates were way too low.

Same thing happened with sub prime. It wasn't really the subsidized/government guaranteed lending. It was the leveraging to all hell, credit rating "flexibility", throwing in a few crap mortgages into a bundle with AAA, etc. that caused the collapse. Otherwise, it would have just been a bunch of people defaulting on their mortgages that Uncle Sam backs up, and likely not a big deal because the underlying security was real estate. But it certainly gave greed and stupidity somewhere to start.

Also reminds me of the GameStop fiasco. They went balls in, unhedged, on naked shorts. There was likely an unwritten rule not to fuck big funds with a short squeeze, but reddit didn't give a shit and caught them with their pants down. It literally changed short side investment banking.

[ViperGeorge]

Kind of.

Spiking interest rates certainly has a high risk of creating chaos. Markets love (and are predicated to a certain degree) on stability. So yeah, changing something big very quickly is going to screw up something.
What it really does is catch people with their pants down / hands in the cookie jar/ whatever. These banks went all in and were not hedged. Banks should not be taking any risks where catastrophic outcomes are reasonably on the table. I mean, come on- give me a break. You didn't foresee that interest rates could go up? They were damn near zero. It wasn't like they were buying these things as a short term investment to hold to maturity. Even if it was spread out over longer term, it would have been a disaster. And honestly, interest rates were way too low.

Same thing happened with sub prime. It wasn't really the subsidized/government guaranteed lending. It was the leveraging to all hell, credit rating "flexibility", throwing in a few crap mortgages into a bundle with AAA, etc. that caused the collapse. Otherwise, it would have just been a bunch of people defaulting on their mortgages that Uncle Sam backs up, and likely not a big deal because the underlying security was real estate. But it certainly gave greed and stupidity somewhere to start.

Also reminds me of the GameStop fiasco. They went balls in, unhedged, on naked shorts. There was likely an unwritten rule not to fuck big funds with a short squeeze, but reddit didn't give a shit and caught them with their pants down. It literally changed short side investment banking.

Interest rate changes take several months to have an impact. Up to 9 months in fact. So the Fed keeps raising rates before they have had the chance to determine the impacts of the rate increases they have already made. You are correct that other factors, such as loose credit standards, helped make the Great Recession deeper and longer, however the Fed should have known this. The OCC, FDIC, and Fed review banks all the time. They should have said "we see banks with large bond portfolios so if we raise rates too quickly some banks could fail."

I believe the Fed is completely incompetent. Heck they were even still buying bonds (known as quantitative easing) up until early last year when inflation was already spiking.

[Lawineer]

The Fed is completely incompetent, but these super sophisticated banks with people so smart and experienced they're worth zillions of dollars should be protecting themselves.

This same crap happens in every industry. Midland Texas has all kinds of fire sales on everything from $150k pickup trucks to company equipment to jets when oil prices fall because they don't hedge.

They are the bank. They are the ones responsible for their clients' money. They should be protecting it and not just blaming the fed for raising interest rates because it would cause poorly run/hedged banks to fail.

[ViperGeorge]

The Fed is completely incompetent, but these super sophisticated banks with people so smart and experienced they're worth zillions of dollars should be protecting themselves.

This same crap happens in every industry. Midland Texas has all kinds of fire sales on everything from $150k pickup trucks to company equipment to jets when oil prices fall because they don't hedge.

They are the bank. They are the ones responsible for their clients' money. They should be protecting it and not just blaming the fed for raising interest rates because it would cause poorly run/hedged banks to fail.

It is true that SVB may have been poorly run but it would be hard to say that about First Republic or Zions. First Republic uses deposits to fund mortgages to high net worth individuals. This is what banks have always done and none of us would have houses if they didn't. Nonetheless their stock has gotten hammered. Down from $187 to the mid 30s today. SVB invested in bonds which were in their "held to maturity" portfolio. This portfolio technically is not for sale and therefor does not have to be marked to market. Their "for sale" portfolio of bonds also tanked causing write-offs.

Bottom line IMO the Fed should have slowed interest rate increases quite a while ago in order to evaluate the impacts of previous increases.

[Lawineer]

I am no finance expert, and I don't pretend to be. Of my friends that are high end finance experts at big banks and funds, the general vibe I am getting from them is that their positions were extremely risky and far outside what would be typically expected- such large positions completely unhedged.

[ViperJon]

Remember when this website had actual mods who would move drivel like above to it's appropriate forum so the thread sort of stays on topic? Good times....

[13COBRA]

Remember when this website had actual mods who would move drivel like above to it's appropriate forum so the thread sort of stays on topic? Good times....

I mean, it started about finance and wealth...and it hasn't varied a lot.

For the record, I like the white/blue better than the blue/white combos...but the matte blue looks amazing.

[commandomatt]

I think it started with the fact that a Gen v may have hit 500k or close to it……talked nothing about finance etc until somebody decided to take this thread in the direction that several has went lately. Completely away from these cars

[Lawineer]

I think it started with the fact that a Gen v may have hit 500k or close to it……talked nothing about finance etc until somebody decided to take this thread in the direction that several has went lately. Completely away from these cars

Meh, I enjoy a lot of the sidebar here. It's generally pretty interesting. There isn't enough traffic/volume that it causes a problem. I'd get it if there were 300 active posters and 1000 posts a day. There's literally like 20 of us that post here, lol.

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I mean, it started about finance and wealth...and it hasn't varied a lot.

For the record, I like the white/blue better than the blue/white combos...but the matte blue looks amazing.

I agree. I think white/blue is my favorite combo, but this is beautiful. Is there a matte white/blue? This car, just inverse?

[13COBRA]

I think it started with the fact that a Gen v may have hit 500k or close to it……talked nothing about finance etc until somebody decided to take this thread in the direction that several has went lately. Completely away from these cars

I mean, the OP is the biggest value/finance/wealth talker on the forum...so..


I agree. I think white/blue is my favorite combo, but this is beautiful. Is there a matte white/blue? This car, just inverse?

That would be total tits.

[commandomatt]

I mean, the OP is the biggest value/finance/wealth talker on the forum...so..



True, but the fact is, he has also been right about several of his predictions, so you have to recognize that. There are a few on here that hate to talk about value (usually the high mileage guys) but there is also something very satisfying about the increase in values. Our Vipers are finally getting some recognition.

[13COBRA]

True, but the fact is, he has also been right about several of his predictions, so you have to recognize that. There are a few on here that hate to talk about value (usually the high mileage guys) but there is also something very satisfying about the increase in values. Our Vipers are finally getting some recognition.

I haven't not recognized it?

I'm so confused as to what you're arguing.

[commandomatt]

Meh, I enjoy a lot of the sidebar here. It's generally pretty interesting. There isn't enough traffic/volume that it causes a problem. I'd get it if there were 300 active posters and 1000 posts a day. There's literally like 20 of us that post here, lol.



This is still a forum about Vipers and I am sure you can go elsewhere to talk about finances all day long if that’s what you find interesting.

It’s a sure way to get people turned off as they don’t care about the non car related stuff. I will follow a thread with curiosity and interest until until it goes in a completely different direction and then I couldn’t care less.

[13COBRA]

This is still a forum about Vipers and I am sure you can go elsewhere to talk about finances all day long if that’s what you find interesting.

It’s a sure way to get people turned off as they don’t care about the non car related stuff. I will follow a thread with curiosity and interest until until it goes in a completely different direction and then I couldn’t care less.

Yet. You're still here 😉

I get what you're saying.

What do you have done to your car?

[commandomatt]

I haven't not recognized it?

I'm so confused as to what you're arguing.

You said, ‘it started with finance and wealth’ and I don’t think that was the case. Looks to me it was about a car selling for a lot of money…..maybe the most ever for a Viper. Maybe I just don’t read enough between the lines.

[commandomatt]

Yet. You're still here ������

I get what you're saying.

What do you have done to your car?

I checked the trickle charger just yesterday……the several feet of snow and the Vipers just don’t get along all that well.

[Arizona Vipers]

I know the new owner, it's coming here for a build. Should be super exciting!

Wow, insane! Open checkbook build I'm assuming :cool:

[Arizona Vipers]

What kind of build? Straight line or road racing? Please don't say it's going to be another mega hp build :(

Nobody does road race builds, so straight line for sure...

[13COBRA]

Nobody does road race builds, so straight line for sure...

Aaron does.

[Lawineer]

Nobody does road race builds, so straight line for sure...

Damn kids these days !

[Nth Moto]

Wow, insane! Open checkbook build I'm assuming :cool:

I'm trying hard to keep him on course to stay "reasonable" on this one. It's his third Nth Moto Viper and his others check off the big power desire in two tiers, so this one will be a very tastefully done NA build.


Nobody does road race builds, so straight line for sure...

All it takes is the appropriate owner expectations and funding, and any build is possible more or less. :)

[Nth Moto]

What kind of build? Straight line or road racing? Please don't say it's going to be another mega hp build :(

These comments always strike me as interesting. I get what you're saying, but at the same time, we have cars that make 5X the power of what a stock one does and they drive better than what most head/cam cars do. That probably sounds hard to believe (and I know your background in the field, so to speak) but until you get in one and experience it, it's just hard to convey over the internet.

[Lawineer]

These comments always strike me as interesting. I get what you're saying, but at the same time, we have cars that make 5X the power of what a stock one does and they drive better than what most head/cam cars do. That probably sounds hard to believe (and I know your background in the field, so to speak) but until you get in one and experience it, it's just hard to convey over the internet.

Oh, I don't doubt your ability to make a ton of power that is very streetable. I get it. I get why HP is fun, but it completely ruins the "balance" of the car and of course its track capabilities. I bet there aren't many 2000hp vipers that can run a fully session (if any at all). It goes from being a "sports car" to a drag car, imo. It just becomes one dimensional. It's why my "race car" is 200hp, my weekend car is ~675hp and my daily driver is +800hp. You'd think that's all backwards.

If you removed the cost from the equation and I could pick how much power I wanted my viper to have, I'd probably say another 100-150hp. I probably could easily have that for what I spent in suspension anyway. I'd be cool with 1500 in the SUV though, lol (except I have no desire to find out how unreliable a 1500hp mercedes is).


I'm sure that one day I'll be calling you for a forced induction build though. If my engine does go under (and I'm still under the third party warranty) and I have my next car (AMG GTR, Z07 or GT3RS are the front runners right now), I can't image I wouldn't take that money and do a nice supercharged build.

[13COBRA]

Oh, I don't doubt your ability to make a ton of power that is very streetable. I get it. I get why HP is fun, but it completely ruins the "balance" of the car and of course its track capabilities. I bet there aren't many 2000hp vipers that can run a fully session (if any at all). It goes from being a "sports car" to a drag car, imo. It just becomes one dimensional. It's why my "race car" is 200hp, my weekend car is ~675hp and my daily driver is +800hp. You'd think that's all backwards.

If you removed the cost from the equation and I could pick how much power I wanted my viper to have, I'd probably say another 100-150hp. I probably could easily have that for what I spent in suspension anyway. I'd be cool with 1500 in the SUV though, lol (except I have no desire to find out how unreliable a 1500hp mercedes is).


I'm sure that one day I'll be calling you for a forced induction build though. If my engine does go under (and I'm still under the third party warranty) and I have my next car (AMG GTR, Z07 or GT3RS are the front runners right now), I can't image I wouldn't take that money and do a nice supercharged build.

Correct, but those cars aren't running full sessions. They're doing a warm up, a full send, maybe a second flyer, and a cool down then coming off.

Super similar to how Feras (Corvette) and Cole (GTR) do Time Attack in their 1500+ hp builds.

[Lawineer]

Correct, but those cars aren't running full sessions. They're doing a warm up, a full send, maybe a second flyer, and a cool down then coming off.

Super similar to how Feras (Corvette) and Cole (GTR) do Time Attack in their 1500+ hp builds.

Yup. It's *really* hard to cool even a "mild" 1000hp car for even a 30 min session. Heck, even 600hp takes a lot for a true street car, without pulling timing and etc. 1/3 of that is going into the coolant and oil, and 200 horsepower over 30 min is a lot of energy.

[13COBRA]

Yup. It's *really* hard to cool even a "mild" 1000hp car for even a 30 min session. Heck, even 600hp takes a lot for a true street car, without pulling timing and etc. 1/3 of that is going into the coolant and oil, and 200 horsepower over 30 min is a lot of energy.

For sure!

[Nth Moto]

Oh, I don't doubt your ability to make a ton of power that is very streetable. I get it. I get why HP is fun, but it completely ruins the "balance" of the car and of course its track capabilities. I bet there aren't many 2000hp vipers that can run a fully session (if any at all). It goes from being a "sports car" to a drag car, imo. It just becomes one dimensional. It's why my "race car" is 200hp, my weekend car is ~675hp and my daily driver is +800hp. You'd think that's all backwards.

If you removed the cost from the equation and I could pick how much power I wanted my viper to have, I'd probably say another 100-150hp. I probably could easily have that for what I spent in suspension anyway. I'd be cool with 1500 in the SUV though, lol (except I have no desire to find out how unreliable a 1500hp mercedes is).


I'm sure that one day I'll be calling you for a forced induction build though. If my engine does go under (and I'm still under the third party warranty) and I have my next car (AMG GTR, Z07 or GT3RS are the front runners right now), I can't image I wouldn't take that money and do a nice supercharged build.

I hear you on all that. In my opinion, I feel there are probably 50% less people who use their ACR in a "straightline oriented" format with a large side helping of drive-it-around use as there are that use them as a mainly track oriented car. Both of which are looked upon as "ruining" the car from the collector viewpoint, ha! I guess what I'm saying is that for the small percentage of the total sum of the cars that have turned them into big power monsters, there are still plenty out there that aren't to tote the flag on the circuit. It all comes down to what you want to do with your car. I'm not a capable enough road race driver to appreciate how good the ACR is probably, but I did just do another 6 second pass in an ACR this past weekend at TX2K and it was really good at doing that. :)

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[Lawineer]

Of course! Different strokes for different folks. One man's ruined car is anther man's dream.

[Policy Limits]

True, but the fact is, he has also been right about several of his predictions, so you have to recognize that. There are a few on here that hate to talk about value (usually the high mileage guys) but there is also something very satisfying about the increase in values. Our Vipers are finally getting some recognition.

Two people who were right about everything: Donald Trump & Policy Limits. Hahaha.

Seriously, 72 months to reach Half Million is really impressive. It took countach, diablo & Gen 1 Ford GT much longer to do the same.

[13COBRA]

Two people who were right about everything: Donald Trump & Policy Limits. Hahaha.

Seriously, 72 months to reach Half Million is really impressive. It took countach, diablo & Gen 1 Ford GT much longer to do the same.

...mhm lol

I still think dealer edition is my favorite, by the way.

[Arizona Vipers]

I'm trying hard to keep him on course to stay "reasonable" on this one. It's his third Nth Moto Viper and his others check off the big power desire in two tiers, so this one will be a very tastefully done NA build.



All it takes is the appropriate owner expectations and funding, and any build is possible more or less. :)

YES on the N/A build, can't wait to here more! And when I said nobody does road race builds, I meant the customer/owners, not the shops! I know you guys are more than capable, just not many customers wanting this sadly.

[Snakebit10]

I hear you on all that. In my opinion, I feel there are probably 50% less people who use their ACR in a "straightline oriented" format with a large side helping of drive-it-around use as there are that use them as a mainly track oriented car. Both of which are looked upon as "ruining" the car from the collector viewpoint, ha! I guess what I'm saying is that for the small percentage of the total sum of the cars that have turned them into big power monsters, there are still plenty out there that aren't to tote the flag on the circuit. It all comes down to what you want to do with your car. I'm not a capable enough road race driver to appreciate how good the ACR is probably, but I did just do another 6 second pass in an ACR this past weekend at TX2K and it was really good at doing that. :)

53076

i saw 1320's recap vid on it. Some monsters out there at TX2K. That wheel stand and that 6 sec pass from Kratos was great.. I wonder what the name of the upcoming road course snake will be? :D

[Policy Limits]

...mhm lol

I still think dealer edition is my favorite, by the way.

Clearly biased but agree. I did love all 6 of them though.