Supercar

[VENOM-TA]

Just had an exchange on another social media platform about whether or not the Viper is considered a Supercar.
Thoughts?

[13COBRA]

No.

[finalleaf]

"American Supercar"

but no I do not think it's a super car in traditional sense, same way none of the vettes are either

[Lawineer]

Super car to me implies some level of being cutting edge. Carbon fiber everything, active aero, super intricate engine, cool tricked out stuff, blah blah blah. Really the viper is the opposite with its 6spd manual, massive 8.4l pushrod v8, steel frame, etc . It’s raw and brute. That’s why it’s so loved.

Exotic, yes. Super car, no.

[13COBRA]

Super car to me implies some level of being cutting edge. Carbon fiber everything, active aero, super intricate engine, cool tricked out stuff, blah blah blah. Really the viper is the opposite with its 6spd manual, massive 8.4l pushrod v8, steel frame, etc . It’s raw and brute. That’s why it’s so loved.

Exotic, yes. Super car, no.

I'm not even sure I would consider it exotic in any sense besides its rarity.

It's a muscle car, plain and simple. 8.0/8.3/8.4 liters of pure bad-assery.

[BlknBlu]

American Sportscar, muscle car is a mid size sedan with backseats and big motor.


Bruce

[CNU_Physics]

Supercar is the Ford GT and Saleen S7 imo.

[StrokerAce]

Sports car.

[TKO MOTORSPORTS TEAM]

Its a VIPER doesn't need another title

[Sniper]

Agree, Viper made its own category!

[commandomatt]

No super car or exotic. The ME 412 would have been though

Muscle car, no. Wrong category. Put a Viper next to a dozen known muscle cars and it would look out of place

Sports car, yes. That said, also Hand built, very Limited production, Unique power train, Raw and unforgiving, Outstanding performance, Beautiful and AMERICAN.

[Lawineer]

I'm not even sure I would consider it exotic in any sense besides its rarity.

It's a muscle car, plain and simple. 8.0/8.3/8.4 liters of pure bad-assery.

I guess it's subjective, but to me at least, an exotic is a rare highly desirable sports car.

[Fatboy 18]

100% SUPERCAR, Not Hypercar, but 100% Supercar. Low build numbers, hand stitched interior, carbon panels and carbon interior options, customer paint options, dash plaques car build Number. Gen V was a massive leap forward from the Gen1, 2, 3 and 4 Vipers Platform sharing with parts from an F car. Previous suspension platform sharing with Mercedes SLS, So now you have a Chrysler Lamborghini V10 massively modified over the years for more BHP So input from both Lamborghini and Ferrari. Of course its a Supercar. TA Viper smashing Track records others could not match, Huge pedigree of former racing history FIA GT, ALMS, LM24hrs Daytona 24hrs, The only thing that let it down was the car being sold from a regular Dodge Dealership who had little or no clue on the customer profile and service mechanics many of whom had never seen one! They should have set up a separate platform for Viper Just like BMW did with Mini and GM did with Corvette. In Europe I can tell you the Viper is readily accepted in Supercar circles, Even being invited to exclusive Ferrari Events and Concourse events, I even got asked to take my Gen II to Italy to take part in the Best of Italy tour (having Lamborghini engine connection).

[Fatboy 18]

Supercar is the Ford GT and Saleen S7 imo.

I would put the FGT in the Supercar bracket and the Saleen in the Exotic Bracket, but its a close run thing.


13COBRA
I'm not even sure I would consider it exotic in any sense besides its rarity. Supercar yes, Exotic No

It's a muscle car, plain and simple. 8.0/8.3/8.4 liters of pure bad-assery" Disagree, Muscle cars to me are 2 +2s such as Hellcats or Chargers, Big block Plymouth Roadrunners, etc, Great in a straight line but brace yourself for a corner! The Viper is a 2 seat Race car which was designed for track and road use. Corvette has always been Americas Sports car, but the latest Corvettes are certainly making big leaps forward.

[SRT_BluByU]

Supercar and exotic.. yes

[SRT_BluByU]

Interestingly enough i have a supercar book handy and the Viper is in it several times..

Heres the index: 52324

[Fatboy 18]

Mmmm I guess its subjective, theres a few cars in that list above I would move into different categories! Dodge Demon would go in the Muscle car list for a start! Koenigsegg Agera would be in the Hypercar Exotic list as would the Bugatti Chiron and the Veyron That book even list Corvettes!

[ViperJon]

Sports car, yes. That said, also Hand built, very Limited production, Unique power train, Raw and unforgiving, Outstanding performance, Beautiful and AMERICAN.

Depends on the Viper. "Super cars" don't have $40K 20 year old versions on the road. Far too many made over the years. Super cars also denote a certain level of quality in the build and materials used which most earlier Vipers certainly don't have. Now if the Gen V ACR-E was the only Viper ever made...THAT would be both a tough call. Definitely ticks the performance and rarity boxes.....build quality is a B or B-......Probably a supercar....maybe an exotic?

[Aevus]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supercar


it was the flagship of Dodge, so yeah a Supercar.

[commandomatt]

Interestingly enough i have a supercar book handy and the Viper is in it several times..

Heres the index: 52324

I would not trust the judgement of the author of that book considering some of the cars on that list

[SRT_BluByU]

Depends on the Viper. "Super cars" don't have $40K 20 year old versions on the road. Far too many made over the years. Super cars also denote a certain level of quality in the build and materials used which most earlier Vipers certainly don't have. Now if the Gen V ACR-E was the only Viper ever made...THAT would be both a tough call. Definitely ticks the performance and rarity boxes.....build quality is a B or B-......Probably a supercar....maybe an exotic?

Heck there were FAR more mid engine Ferrari's made each respective year than Vipers.. its absolutely a Supercar. In looks, rarity, performance and all. There was a time F308's, F328s, F348's and F355's were available at super discounted prices also.. resale value isnt always an indicator of supercar status.

[SRT_BluByU]

Mmmm I guess its subjective, theres a few cars in that list above I would move into different categories! Dodge Demon would go in the Muscle car list for a start! Koenigsegg Agera would be in the Hypercar Exotic list as would the Bugatti Chiron and the Veyron That book even list Corvettes!

yea... Demon is on the fence in traditional terms for sure.

[Aevus]

Is the Porsche 911 a supercar? Probably not, but what about the GT3? Or GT3RS / GT2RS ?

is it related to performance, price, rarity..?

[Lawineer]

Is the Porsche 911 a supercar? Probably not, but what about the GT3? Or GT3RS / GT2RS ?

is it related to performance, price, rarity..?
These are all very broad and even ambiguous terms.

GT3/2/etc are really gray areas imo. It's got the unique tidbits, it's expensive, it's relatively rare and it sure as hell has the performance. However, just unique in that it shares a platform with a "pedestrian" car (relatively speaking).
Kind of like the Z06s of the past (current one blurs lines more). It's supercar performance, but when we think of "supercar" we also think there's got to be something "super" beyond lap times, as I said above. Active aero, super tweaked cutting edge engine, very precisely engineered. That's why the C6 and c7 Z06s were never "supercars" to me. They're just fucking fast and great bang for the buck.

I see the viper as much more as an exotic than a supercar.

[finalleaf]

Everyone's definition of exotics and super car will be different, IMO there is no right or wrong, and people will never agree on it either

For me Exotic goes even above supercar where it should be not only rare but difficult to obtain, which would command a large large price tag.

Definitely agree that exotic should not be sharing a platform of a "pedestrian" car

[Fulltilt]

Interesting fact - Ford made more 2005-2006 Ford GT's than Dodge made GenV Vipers. I've heard the argument a supercar has to be mid-engine, which I don't agree with. Ferrari Superfast for instance.

[Mikey]

The hypercars of today are yesterday's "supercars" imo.
Maybe it's because I was a kid, but I always viewed supercars as midengine v12s going over 200mph etc.

Now everything performs so highly that the only things that standout put are bugattis koenigseggs etc

[StrokerAce]

Cars are like women. Exotic to me means not form USA. Even though some big old good ones and good ol big ones (muscle cars) can be as quick and fun. lol

[Mikey]

Cars are like women. Exotic to me means not form USA. Even though some big old good ones and good ol big ones (muscle cars) can be as quick and fun. lol

Colombians and Brazilians 😩

[StrokerAce]

Colombians and Brazilians ������

Ex was Columbian. Good times.

[Mikey]

Ex was Columbian. Good times.

The attitude problems keep things interesting

[SSGNRDZ_28]

Maybe if they had made the frame out of aluminum and Stevie Wonder didn't weld it. I think there are too many FCA parts-bin pieces to call it a supercar. This said there aren't many supercars I would trade it for.

[Fatboy 18]

Exotic to me means not form USA.

I thought most Americans came from Somewhere else if you trace history back :D So you are all Exotic! LOL

[Aevus]

Maybe if they had made the frame out of aluminum and Stevie Wonder didn't weld it.

thanks, almost choked on my coffee

;)

[Aevus]

I thought most Americans came from Somewhere else if you trace history back :D So you are all Exotic! LOL

all is made in Africa, then

haha

[StrokerAce]

I thought most Americans came from Somewhere else if you trace history back :D So you are all Exotic! LOL

Pretty much. Irish, English and German. No wonder I like scotch, whiskey, beer and bratwurst.

[TheMadMachinist]

I kind of agree with StrockorAce's statement ( Car's are like women) But I would like to add. If you don't drive your car, it's just like not having sex with your woman and saving her for the next guy.

[finalleaf]

I kind of agree with StrockorAce's statement ( Car's are like women) But I would like to add. If you don't drive your car, it's just like not have sex with your woman and saving her for the next guy.

although to be fair, none of my exes had resale value

[StrokerAce]

although to be fair, none of my exes had resale value

All my exes refer to me as "Prefix".

[Mikey]

My exes left as salvage titles

[ViperSRT]

All my exes refer to me as "Prefix".

Ouch! Or should it be Ouches!

[Lawineer]

All my exes refer to me as "Prefix".
My exes call me far worse

[TheMadMachinist]

although to be fair, none of my exes had resale value

Yes investment grade women can be hard to find at times.

[Lawineer]

Yes investment grade women can be hard to find at times.

Investment grade? All my women have been liabilities, not assets

[TheMadMachinist]

Investment grade? All my women have been liabilities, not assets

Exactly........

[Fatboy 18]

Maybe if they had made the frame out of aluminum and Stevie Wonder didn't weld it. I think there are too many FCA parts-bin pieces to call it a supercar. This said there aren't many supercars I would trade it for.

The splash welding on that Canadian frame is THE BIGGEST FAILURE PERIOD!

[braunstein82]

It's an exotic in other countries but not the US. I would say it is a supercar. On most TV shows and magazines, it has been place in the supercar catagory for reviews and comparisons. That should be enough to say it is in my opinion.

[Snakebit10]

I sit here laughing at how, as time goes by, definitions change. When the Viper came out, it was hand-built, rare, faster than the average sports car, made from some unique mfg processes (hood etc) and was considered an exotic supercar. Yes it wasnt built to the highest standards but have you seen the Ferrari F40 build quality? That is a legit exotic supercar and my all time favorite car. The Viper was considered America's exotic supercar until people started changing definitions circa 2000's. Dont get it. It fits all the historic definitions of an exotic supercar, yet many want to call it just a sports car or worse yet, an muscle car. How any one can call it a muscle car is beyond me.

It is an exotic supercar period, especially the ACR.

[SRT_BluByU]

It is an exotic supercar period, especially the ACR.


YES


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