Thinking of selling the ACR Am I Crazy

[zee]

I know this is a very personal decision as everyones situation is different, but lately I have been thinking about selling my ACR as I really just don't drive it much anymore. I am trying to think long term and I know I will probably regret selling it, but at the same time, I think I can get $250k+ for it right now which sounds fun too lol. I have had the car for over 2 years now and just crossed 9k miles.

I know that I will never find a spec like this again for the price that I paid. I know they are getting more and more rare and nothing will ever be built like it again.

I don't NEED to sell it, and I was looking at buying some other toys because I'm bored, but time is of the essence. With 2 little kids and my business, I maybe take the ACR out one a month or so.

Am I insane? Just post thing seems kinda ridiculous but curious how other people feel with the market where it is on these cars (biased or unbiased as it may be lol).

[Aevus]

Ok but if you don't NEED to sell it, how selling it for 220k or 250k now... or hypothetically 300k in 2 years from now would make a difference?

I mean, is it a matter of money/investment or the car just take space you'd need for other toys

[zee]

Ok but if you don't NEED to sell it, how selling it for 220k or 250k now... or hypothetically 300k in 2 years from now would make a difference?

I mean, is it a matter of money/investment or the car just take space you'd need for other toys

Little of both right now - I would chill out for a bit and invest that money into some things and also use it for some upgrades on my house. Space is not that big of an issue yet but will be down the line for sure. I like the way you are thinking about this though.

[Szeszko02GTSGA]

Difficult decision for sure, you'll get top dollar now. Who knows what the market will look like in one or two years. Better or lower? With all the other toys in your barn, will you miss her? The more miles you put on her the lower the value.

[Aevus]

Personally, I think a major and worldwide economic crisis is upon us (think 2008, maybe worst) within a year or two, and all luxury stuff will take a dive, at least temporary. So if you plan to sell it anyway, probably better now than in 2023. But if you see yourself keeping it for 10 years, I wouldnt be too much afraid of seeing the value drop.

Then again, maybe you're not questionning the investment value at all...

[zee]

Difficult decision for sure, you'll get top dollar now. Who knows what the market will look like in one or two years. Better or lower? With all the other toys in your barn, will you miss her? The more miles you put on her the lower the value.

Great points - appreciate your feedback.


Personally, I think a major and worldwide economic crisis is upon us (think 2008, maybe worst) within a year or two, and all luxury stuff will take a dive, at least temporary. So if you plan to sell it anyway, probably better now than in 2023. But if you see yourself keeping it for 10 years, I wouldnt be too much afraid of seeing the value drop.

Then again, maybe you're not questionning the investment value at all...

I agree with your analysis on some major economic stuff coming soon. This is my 3rd viper now and I really thought this would be the forever car, but I don't know why I keep thinking about selling it - that to me is a red flag. I never once think about selling my Performante...at least not yet lol

[Aevus]

I don't like to buy things, as an investor, when they're priced high. And gen 5's ACRs are priced (relatively) high since 1-2 years. So is it the best investment there is now? Probably not. Probably not even in the collectible car world. Maybe Ferrari Daytona, maybe Porsche 993 turbo, maybe something else will have a higher value in 5-10 years, nobody really knows.

Also, maybe your ACR v.s. 5x Bitcoins won't have an equal value in 5 or 10 years like it is right now! Nobody knows.

The right decision is probably the one you might regret the least. So what's worst: seeing the value drop to 150k or selling it at 230-250k and see 500k sales in few years?

[Aevus]

... also, if the inflation keeps going crazy, 500k won't be much more than 250k today! hahaha

[Aevus]

Investor aside, on a car enthusiast point of view, I'd keep the car. If you enjoy it, of course.

You own the pinnacle of the Viper, and the last symbol of an era: manual transmission, RWD, lightweight, massive loud naturally aspirated engine with huge torque. A true beast on the verge of extinction, that will be replaced by heavy hybrid turbocharged or silent full electric stuff.

I mean, unless you consider the C8 vette as THE last one, I think the Viper ACR is pretty much the true last sport/muscle car from our 20st century childhood dreams.

[Policy Limits]

Money can't redline at 6,250 RPM's. :)

[Leanmass]

You should think about what your tax liability will be if you sell your car. Is it worth giving Uncle Sam $30k-40k or possibly more. Taxes can be complex. In some states you can offset sales tax if your trading in another car.

[Ronin47]

You paid 140k for a machine that's 250k right now. Time to sell.......

[Fulltilt]

If you sold it, would you replace it? If so, with what? Weren't you looking at GT3's? Go drive the ACR this weekend, if you don't get out of the car with a smile on your face sell it. You could always start making an ad for it and if you find yourself instantly regretting the move then you know the answer.

[ViperNC]

Previously stated, but selling it only creates the problem of what to replace the ACR with. One could argue we could all make money off our Gen 5 Vipers right now, but unless you have no plans to purchase another car and going in a completely different direction you'll be left with that open space in your garage where your Viper once sat and wondering if you made a mistake. The Gen 5 Viper is the last of a dying breed of true driver's supercars with a proper manual gearbox. I can't think of a single car I would want instead other than a 2005-2006 Ford GT and frankly the Viper is a better car with more power. Plus there are so many Lambo/Ferrari/McLaren/Aston/Porsche/Audi people running around these days it's just too much fun taking all their precious attention away from them when you roll up in a VIPER... priceless.

[zee]

I wouldn't replace it right away. I would invest the money in some other things and chill out for a while. Yes I was looking at GT3's but everything is just way too high right now and want to see what the market does over the next year or 2 before adding anything else to the stable.

[Policy Limits]

Invest in what? My car increased 300% in value in 40 months. You can't even beat inflation in a bank these days. I vote Horsepower!

[viperguy69]

If you don't need the capital, then list it for 10% more than the going price and see what happens. With the extra $25K you can take the family on a 1st class Disney cruise...

However, I know several people that sold their cars just to regret that decision, but I am not sure if the regret is from missing the car or the extra money they could have made had they just waited.

Me, I going to wait until premium gas his $10 a gallon before I make any hasty decisions!

[Aevus]

I wouldn't replace it right away. I would invest the money in some other things and chill out for a while. Yes I was looking at GT3's but everything is just way too high right now and want to see what the market does over the next year or 2 before adding anything else to the stable.

for reference, in 2008-2009 luxury/sport car prices went down roughly 10-20%.

... people who suddenly were in need of cash and flooded the market. Which temporary brought prices down.

I think we're in the middle of a massive bubble right now, but maybe i'm wrong and maybe half mil for an ACR will be a decent price in few years... Maybe not. But if an economic crisis happens, I don't see how it could go less than 150k for a low mileage ACR unless the market is flooded with people desesperately in need of cash. And if it's the case, it will be temporary. And if it's not temporary, well, it's the end of the world... So a bunker would be a wiser investment ;-)

Bottomline the real question is: Do you still like your car?

[Aevus]

Invest in what? My car increased 300% in value in 40 months. You can't even beat inflation in a bank these days. I vote Horsepower!

Not that I like that stock but TSLA (Tesla) went up 1500% in value in that 40 months. Even pretty defensive stocks such as Google, Apple and Amazon are 300-400% up...

The bubble is everywhere. I collect/invest in wine bottles and it's crazy as well... A single bottle of Domaine de la Romanée-Conti is valued at 30-40k, even the recent ordinary vintages.

Sportscar
Real estates
Fine art
Collectibles
Fine wine

not to mention stockmarket and crypto

Crazyness everywhere

[Gen5snake]

Why would you regret it? If you're bored of it now, you'll be bored of it in 5 or 10 years. Sell it, put the cash aside, go bargain shopping when the market bubble burst (and it will), then there will be no regrets.

[Policy Limits]

The bubble is everywhere.

Crazyness everywhere

Not everywhere. Facebook just took a massive dump & try not to look at your 401(k)

Just my opinion, but having the last V10 made with a manual transmission, the fact that its handmade, no longer in production, etc has way more to do with increased values than a trendy bubble. Real estate crashes every 7 years. Special Edition Anniversary snakes on the other hand, will not only not tank, but will be seven figure assets eventually. I called it from jump street and naysayers abounded. Now its coming to fruition more & more each day.

[Lawineer]

Problem is, everything you'd replace it with has gone up a ton in price.

[zee]

Problem is, everything you'd replace it with has gone up a ton in price.

I would not replace it. I would chill out for a while and see where the market goes after a year or 2...so I say :witless:

[zee]

Why would you regret it? If you're bored of it now, you'll be bored of it in 5 or 10 years. Sell it, put the cash aside, go bargain shopping when the market bubble burst (and it will), then there will be no regrets.

This makes a ton of sense - just coming down to actually following through on this advice is hard for me still at this stage haha

[efnfast]

I would not replace it. I would chill out for a while and see where the market goes after a year or 2...so I say :witless:

The only problem is the market may go up and up and up ... it can remain irrational longer than you can remain solvent.

Everybody was waiting for firesale lamborghinis and ferraris to show up because of COVID - well, we know what happened there, lol

[commandomatt]

You paid 140k for a machine that's 250k right now. Time to sell.......

You should have told the FGT guys that 5 years ago.

[Ronin47]

You should have told the FGT guys that 5 years ago.

Another 5 years we'll see Zimbabwean dollars lol.

[catwood]

I've tapped out on mine. Awaiting the wire, deposit in hand.

won't replace.

[mavness]

Money can't redline at 6,250 RPM's. :)

Youre right, with money you can redline at 7k hahahaha

[Rare Snake]

This thread is a good read.

I'm not going to lie... I'm watching the prices on even GTS cars, and starting to think about how much money I could make if I sold mine. It is insane, but I'm glad to see I'm not the only one thinking it.

The only thing stopping me is knowing that I will NEVER be able to replace it with something as exciting, even at the recent prices. And the only car that comes even close that I would want, is sitting at about 300K CDN right now.

I'll take my chances and keep it. If they tank in the future, at least I still have it. But if it continues to go up, who knows what a "bored" person might do in the off season.

Dason

[Policy Limits]

Youre right, with money you can redline at 7k hahahaha

Funny. My Lamborghini used to rev way up. Same with my Maserati. In the end they were mass produced even with the exotic names when compared with the Viper and they sold for a loss.

[zee]

Where would you guys value my ACR? You think it could fetch more then $250k? 1 of 1 with 9,000 miles - GTSR color scheme with the GTS interior in red.

50721

[bluesrt]

put it on bat and see

[RedTanRT/10]

Invest in what? My car increased 300% in value in 40 months. You can't even beat inflation in a bank these days. I vote Horsepower!

Help me with the math here, you went from where to where in 40 months?????

BTW Tesla stock went from $68.59 to $922 in the last 40 months, 1344% gain.

[Aevus]

BTW Tesla stock went from $68.59 to $922 in the last 40 months, 1344% gain.


yup and wildly overpriced with a ridiculous P/E despite record sales

[ACRSNK]

If you are going to sell I would ask $285K for your car. Probably isn’t another one in that color scheme with the red interior. Best of luck on whatever you decide. I vote keep it and ditch the Lambo instead.

[zee]

If you are going to sell I would ask $285K for your car. Probably isn’t another one in that color scheme with the red interior. Best of luck on whatever you decide. I vote keep it and ditch the Lambo instead.

Haha thanks for the feedback! I think $285 makes a lot of sense.

No way I can part with the Perf just yet. I am obsessed with the driving experience it provides. One of the best cars I’ve ever driven.

[Aevus]

So Cal + Spyder = Win.

I would take the Lambo over the ACR 9 days out of 10 just because it's much more enjoyable to drive a car with the roof down...
The ACR is meant to be driven on a track. Otherwise... meh...

So at the end it's either a track car or a garage queen.

[Aevus]

The only thing that is probably more thrilling than an ACR and a Lambo is a Mclaren 765LT Spyder, but for what, 400k?
and the sound is no match with a N/A engine...

[zee]

The only thing that is probably more thrilling than an ACR and a Lambo is a Mclaren 765LT Spyder, but for what, 400k?
and the sound is no match with a N/A engine...

Agreed. I haven’t driven the 765 yet but I have driven the 675, 600, 720, etc. another car I’ve been wanting to drive is the Pista and the SVJ.

[SnakeEyes]

Interesting and great comments but what would you do if car is really worth less than $250 with those 9000 miles on it? I'm thinking its worth $210-$230 at the most right now. Anything with less than 1000 miles are going for $265-$285.

[zee]

Where does everyone see values going for higher mileage ones both short term and long term? At 9k miles I feel like it’s the time to pull the trigger if I want to sell.

[13COBRA]

The market is at its peak.

It won't get higher for 25 years.

It will go down significantly before then.

Just depends on how long you want to keep it.

[Policy Limits]

Love how people have a crystal ball & can predict the future.

Follow the trend because history repeats itself. Naturally aspirated, hand made, large engine exotics with manual transmissions are appreciating assets. Diablo, Countach, Ford GT, Gated F430, Gated LP640, and now Viper ACR Extreme for examples are all in this category. Cats Exotics put a SE 6.0 list out there & it said to not even talk to him unless the conversation starts at one million dollars. Ten years ago 6.0 Bulls were 180k.

The subject snake is such a Beautiful spec & it is irreplaceable. I highly doubt you are at the Ceiling on it. My value predictions go back 1/2 decade and turned out to be on point notwithstanding a vast majority of naysayers.

[13COBRA]

Love how people have a crystal ball & can predict the future.

Follow the trend because history repeats itself. Naturally aspirated, hand made, large engine exotics with manual transmissions are appreciating assets. Diablo, Countach, Ford GT, Gated F430, Gated LP640, and now Viper ACR Extreme for examples are all in this category. Cats Exotics put a SE 6.0 list out there & it said to not even talk to him unless the conversation starts at one million dollars. Ten years ago 6.0 Bulls were 180k.

The subject snake is such a Beautiful spec & it is irreplaceable. I highly doubt you are at the Ceiling on it. My value predictions go back 1/2 decade and turned out to be on point notwithstanding a vast majority of naysayers.

Buy it from him for $285k then.

Put your $$$$ where your valuations are.

[zee]

Love how people have a crystal ball & can predict the future.

Follow the trend because history repeats itself. Naturally aspirated, hand made, large engine exotics with manual transmissions are appreciating assets. Diablo, Countach, Ford GT, Gated F430, Gated LP640, and now Viper ACR Extreme for examples are all in this category. Cats Exotics put a SE 6.0 list out there & it said to not even talk to him unless the conversation starts at one million dollars. Ten years ago 6.0 Bulls were 180k.

The subject snake is such a Beautiful spec & it is irreplaceable. I highly doubt you are at the Ceiling on it. My value predictions go back 1/2 decade and turned out to be on point notwithstanding a vast majority of naysayers.

Don't you think the COVID drama accelerated the Gen 5 prices (just like all the other cars) drastically? I agree with a lot of your points but there is no way the Gen 5 would be doing this well without COVID...

[zee]

The market is at its peak.

It won't get higher for 25 years.

It will go down significantly before then.

Just depends on how long you want to keep it.

Thanks for your feedback. Great points

[Aevus]

Agreed. I haven’t driven the 765 yet but I have driven the 675, 600, 720, etc. another car I’ve been wanting to drive is the Pista and the SVJ.

Was about to buy a 720s spider but finally changed my mind because of lack of reliability seen on the track from other owners (Mclaren in general not the 720s in particular) and also the insurance, maintenance, aftermarket mods, all are prohibitive costs compared to Viper and Porsche. Also not N/A and automatic only...

And the problem with the Viper gen 5 is very simple for me: it's not convertible.

So I ended up with a gen 3 with tons of mods, including N/A 800bhp @ 7,000rpm ... and the sunbath. ;-)

[13COBRA]

Was about to buy a 720s spider but finally changed my mind because of lack of reliability seen on the track from other owners (Mclaren in general not the 720s in particular) and also the insurance, maintenance, aftermarket mods, all are prohibitive costs compared to Viper and Porsche. Also not N/A and automatic only...

And the problem with the Viper gen 5 is very simple for me: it's not convertible.

So I ended up with a gen 3 with tons of mods, including N/A 800bhp @ 7,000rpm ... and the sunbath. ;-)

I would have a VERY hard time owning a McLaren outside of warranty.

They have gotten better as far as reliability...but they still have a ways to go before being able to be called reliable.

My dad almost bought a 620R last week, ended up passing, and it sold yesterday.

[Policy Limits]

Buy it from him for $285k then.

Put your $$$$ where your valuations are.

I do not need or want two vipers & space is an issue. My car went up 300% in value in 40 months and I have the best snake ever made (by way of opinion) and it is the most exclusive special edition made (fact) so I really am not interested in owning his. However, if I were you I'd definitely go for it!

[Aevus]

I would have a VERY hard time owning a McLaren outside of warranty.

Outside of warranty AND trackable... Porsche or Viper.

But, track dedicated? if I had the choice between gen 5 ACR and a Porsche GT4RS I'd take the german wonder.

[Policy Limits]

Don't you think the COVID drama accelerated the Gen 5 prices (just like all the other cars) drastically? I agree with a lot of your points but there is no way the Gen 5 would be doing this well without COVID...

Honestly I do not agree that it is covid related. While it is true that inflation is through the roof used cars in general are up 27-29% more or less which is not even close to double or triple as experienced in this brand.

Instead, I opine that five years subsequent to the factory closing it is really starting to sink in that you cannot order the car any longer. This drives value increase in addition to the other factors listed above. Even collector car outlets such as Haggerty have written articles about how the car checks every box for collectibility.

Just today several states (IL, NY, NJ, RI, MA) announced the start of endemic by getting rid of mask mandates. As covid continues to calm down and everything gets back to normal I predict that values will not only fail to dip but will instead continue to climb. My previous value predictions have all come to fruition.

I also predict (I owned a Lamborghini for four years) that your ACR will exceed the value of your performante in the long run.

[13COBRA]

I do not need or want two vipers & space is an issue. My car went up 300% in value in 40 months and I have the best snake ever made (by way of opinion) and it is the most exclusive special edition made (fact) so I really am not interested in owning his. However, if I were you I'd definitely go for it!

But, you think they're going to keep going up in value...so why wouldn't you buy it? Doesn't make sense.


Outside of warranty AND trackable... Porsche or Viper.

But, track dedicated? if I had the choice between gen 5 ACR and a Porsche GT4RS I'd take the german wonder.

Agreed.

[Steve M]

Exclusive does not necessarily mean desirable.

Outside of the Viper community, no one is going to know or care about obscure special editions, especially ones tied to a dealership.

A GTS-R won't suffer from that.

[Policy Limits]

Exclusive does not necessarily mean desirable.

Outside of the Viper community, no one is going to know or care about obscure special editions, especially ones tied to a dealership.


https://themarket.bonhams.com/en/listings/dodge-viper/gtc-acr-extreme-dealer-edition/ecfea4fd-ca95-4acd-8f26-c331f148e67b?status=live

[SnakeEyes]

https://themarket.bonhams.com/en/listings/dodge-viper/gtc-acr-extreme-dealer-edition/ecfea4fd-ca95-4acd-8f26-c331f148e67b?status=live

How many miles on yours? I'm curious to know what you think your car is worth... At 300% increase in 40 months, are you thinking its worth $450k???

[Steve M]

https://themarket.bonhams.com/en/listings/dodge-viper/gtc-acr-extreme-dealer-edition/ecfea4fd-ca95-4acd-8f26-c331f148e67b?status=live

The 72 miles on the clock probably has nothing to do with it.

[Policy Limits]

How many miles on yours? I'm curious to know what you think your car is worth... At 300% increase in 40 months, are you thinking its worth $450k???

That auction estimates value between $300,000.00 - $400,000.00.

I paid $127k.

[ViperJon]

Interesting and great comments but what would you do if car is really worth less than $250 with those 9000 miles on it? I'm thinking its worth $210-$230 at the most right now. Anything with less than 1000 miles are going for $265-$285.

I would agree with this assessment. A real GTS-R with 9K on it would be hard pressed to get 250K I don't see how a lookalike would possibly bring more. Certainly nothing wrong with 220K or so it's still a substantial return.

[Gen5snake]

This makes a ton of sense - just coming down to actually following through on this advice is hard for me still at this stage haha

Isn't that the truth. I talk a big game, but I probably wouldn't be able to hold on to the cash to get that bargain. :D

[Aevus]

7,5% inflation announced today, for the last 12 months.

At this rate, in few years even if an ACR is selling for 500k it won't buy much more than 250k today....

[Aevus]

Honestly I do not agree that it is covid related. While it is true that inflation is through the roof used cars in general are up 27-29% more or less which is not even close to double or triple as experienced in this brand.

To some extent, most certainly Covid related.

Used cars in general are not comparable with collectors/investment cars. There is a major investment bubble happening for the last 20 months or so and people are hunting for the next big profit thing... Viper seems to be one of them.

[Aevus]

The real question I think is HOW RARE are the low milleage gen 5 ACRs, compared to other highly sought-after iconic cars, such as the Ferraris, Porsches, Ford GT & vintage Mustang.

200 total? Less?

[zee]

I would agree with this assessment. A real GTS-R with 9K on it would be hard pressed to get 250K I don't see how a lookalike would possibly bring more. Certainly nothing wrong with 220K or so it's still a substantial return.

I have multiple offers (1 guy local to me) ready to give 250 cash. I have not listed it anywhere but just a simple FB post saying I was thinking of selling. I am still very torn on if I want to part ways with it or just keep it in my collection long term because of how special it is.

[13COBRA]

I have multiple offers (1 guy local to me) ready to give 250 cash. I have not listed it anywhere but just a simple FB post saying I was thinking of selling. I am still very torn on if I want to part ways with it or just keep it in my collection long term because of how special it is.

$250k cash?


50732

[StrokerAce]

$250k cash?


50732

Yup. Gone. Sayonara. Adios. However many ways to say it. :)

[zee]

Haha damn that easy for you guys eh? I guess I think it will be worth even more one day or highly doubt it will drop much anytime soon?

[catwood]

I have multiple offers (1 guy local to me) ready to give 250 cash. I have not listed it anywhere but just a simple FB post saying I was thinking of selling. I am still very torn on if I want to part ways with it or just keep it in my collection long term because of how special it is.

That's how mine went. Got picked up today. For the first time I think in almost 20 years I am viperless. Not seeing getting another.

[StrokerAce]

Haha damn that easy for you guys eh? I guess I think it will be worth even more one day or highly doubt it will drop much anytime soon?


It probably will rise in price but I am doubting you're hurting for cash. That being said you have limited time with a family and work from what I saw so selling it would give you the ability to try a new toy. Hell, if you miss driving a Viper you could grab another Gen V non ACR and have the same fun on the street and save a bunch of cash for who knows what. Life is short so enjoy whatever you have and have what you want. :)

If you're on the fence you're probably not ready to sell. Just my opinion. :)

[Scott_in_fl]

Great discussion, great comments, tough decision. Whenever you feel like you have an itch to sell, go for a drive. Roll down the windows and listen to that beast as you row through the gears. There's nothing like it. And I mean nothing. Every time I come back from a drive and park it in the garage, I look back at it and think to myself "I can never sell this thing".

And part of that comes from the fact that I've been there, done that -- I've sold vehicles that I knew I should have kept and still regret some of those choices. I promised myself not to let that happen again. When I sell, it will be because I am done with sportscars altogether and onto other interests (I have many, but motor oil runs in my veins) because there really is nothing else that I could see giving me greater enjoyment as a driving purist. A Gen V ACR-E is a race car with a license plate.

As for values, they'll keep going up. Inflation is here to stay, and it's a nasty bitch once it gets rolling. The other price driver is demand. We're increasingly becoming a luxury society and we enjoy possessing and showcasing things that others cannot have. Thus, hand-crafted automobiles are becoming appreciated like fine art -- people with money (and there are lots of them now) are competing feverishly to have pinnacle goods and they cherish most highly the ones that are very limited, or very unique. Take a look at NFT values, which is all about this competitive quest to have the only one of some thing.

And ViperNC hit the nail on the head with his comment about how there are so many Ferrari/Lambo/Mac/Audi/Aston/Porsche cars out there and all the air gets sucked out of the room as soon as an ACR-E shows up. It wasn't always that way, but it's becoming that way more and more, and I expect that phenomenon to continue. And speaking of NFT's, you'll very soon start seeing an entire new generation of wealth start competing for desirable cars. As a result, I can easily see a massive explosion in pricing in the next 10 years that will make the current run look like nothing.

So, what to do? I think you need to take the value equation off the table. That's a long-term proposition and while excellent imo, it will require diamond hands. And you can also make money in plenty of other places, as others have stated. But the real question is whether the car gives you the feeling that it gives me... that feeling after a spirited drive when you tell yourself there's nothing you'd ever want to replace it with. If you don't have that feeling, then sell it.

[Whiskey]

From a money point of view it's an easy choice. But from a "real life" point of view....not so much.

- go for a drive...a long one
- clean it up.


If the whole process takes less than an hour. Time to let it go. If it takes 3+ keep it. By the end of that you will know how much you will miss it.

[ViperJon]

It's only a freaking car. Should be about 99 out of 100 in life's priorities. I've sold dozens of cars including 6 Vipers (soon to be 7) and could not possibly care less about them. Move on.

[Mikey]

If you have a 250k offer with 9k miles, I'd take the money and run.

[Aevus]

It's only a freaking car. Should be about 99 out of 100 in life's priorities. I've sold dozens of cars including 6 Vipers (soon to be 7) and could not possibly care less about them. Move on.

true.

[StrokerAce]

While to some it may be just a car but to some it may be the life long achievement of hard work and savings. It could be something that represents a bond you had with a father or brother and it means more than any other 4 wheeled appliance on the road. I wouldn't say the OP is in that bucket but to some it's not just a car.

Consider yourself to be of the few who had the pleasure owning and selling, and not caring, for 6+ Vipers. Not everyone is in that boat where they can do that. I know I can't but if it came down to it I could sell the car without hesitation if I needed but in the same breath I don't treat it like a cup of coffee.

[ViperJon]

If you have a 250k offer with 9k miles, I'd take the money and run.

You're not kidding. But talk is cheap. Not referring to Zee but lots of people talk big and make offers till the actual time to pony up the quarter million. Then they thin out.

[zee]

You're not kidding. But talk is cheap. Not referring to Zee but lots of people talk big and make offers till the actual time to pony up the quarter million. Then they thin out.

This is definitely true. But based on the convos I’ve had it seems legit, but I agree, until it’s actually done you never know.

[13COBRA]

Don't get me wrong, I love the Viper platform. I think it's one of the most phenomenal cars on the planet and ticks all the boxes for me.

Your Performante is a better car in just about every category. Selling your ACRE with 9k miles for $250k is SOLID.

[zee]

Don't get me wrong, I love the Viper platform. I think it's one of the most phenomenal cars on the planet and ticks all the boxes for me.

Your Performante is a better car in just about every category. Selling your ACRE with 9k miles for $250k is SOLID.

Appreciate your feedback and I would have to agree. I am definitely leaning toward letting her go :(. At this moment right now it feels bitter sweet. I’m gonna go for one more drive soon and make my final decision.

[Mikey]

This is definitely true. But based on the convos I’ve had it seems legit, but I agree, until it’s actually done you never know.

With what they're offering you, you could turn around and purchase a lower mileage example for 200k and keep the extra 50 in your pocket.

[jpmst3]

If I could buy and sell cars of that caliber, yes, it probably would be just be another car. It is amazing how few Vipers you see of any generation.
That would be a tough one to part with if you enjoy it that much. Go with your gut/heart. If you need the money, now might be the time. If not, and you have the space...

They will always be churning out more Italian exotics that arguable are improved over time.

[swexlin]

I know this is a very personal decision as everyones situation is different, but lately I have been thinking about selling my ACR as I really just don't drive it much anymore. I am trying to think long term and I know I will probably regret selling it, but at the same time, I think I can get $250k+ for it right now which sounds fun too lol. I have had the car for over 2 years now and just crossed 9k miles.

I know that I will never find a spec like this again for the price that I paid. I know they are getting more and more rare and nothing will ever be built like it again.

I don't NEED to sell it, and I was looking at buying some other toys because I'm bored, but time is of the essence. With 2 little kids and my business, I maybe take the ACR out one a month or so.

Am I insane? Just post thing seems kinda ridiculous but curious how other people feel with the market where it is on these cars (biased or unbiased as it may be lol).

Not insane. I went through the same thing last year. While not an ACR, I made the decision to sell. I didn't need the money, but I just wasn't driving the car much anymore. So, I sold it to Cable, and he's now building an intense machine out of it. No regrets. This market will dive sooner or later. If you're gonna sell, I'd do it now. Funny, I don'tmiss the car much as much as I thought I would.

[swexlin]

Yup. Gone. Sayonara. Adios. However many ways to say it. :)

This!! LOL. Bye bye!

[BSLSK]

Good luck with the sale!

[darbgnik]

I wouldn't replace it right away. I would invest the money in some other things and chill out for a while. Yes I was looking at GT3's but everything is just way too high right now and want to see what the market does over the next year or 2 before adding anything else to the stable.

Haha, you say that now, till the garage space opens up......... I just went through it, and replaced my 70 Charger garage space with a completely unrelated track car. That space was filled in less than a week. lol.


I would have a VERY hard time owning a McLaren outside of warranty.

They have gotten better as far as reliability...but they still have a ways to go before being able to be called reliable.

My dad almost bought a 620R last week, ended up passing, and it sold yesterday.

I have heard nothing but horror stories on McLarens reliability from a few of my dealer friends as well. Enough to scare me off.

[Policy Limits]

OP doesn't need 1/4 mill that badly & he knows it. Ha.

[Scott_in_fl]

While to some it may be just a car but to some it may be the life long achievement of hard work and savings. It could be something that represents a bond you had with a father or brother and it means more than any other 4 wheeled appliance on the road. I wouldn't say the OP is in that bucket but to some it's not just a car.

Consider yourself to be of the few who had the pleasure owning and selling, and not caring, for 6+ Vipers. Not everyone is in that boat where they can do that. I know I can't but if it came down to it I could sell the car without hesitation if I needed but in the same breath I don't treat it like a cup of coffee.

This is a great post and hits home for me. I love cars primarily for the memories that I've had in them, from high school when we were racing everyone in my '89 Mustang GT that was willing to go, to college cruise nights, and since then with memorable drives with memorable people, they were all done in muscle cars and Vipers. Those memories seem to come back much more vividly when I take the ACR-E out than they did when I would drive my pcars, or GT-R, or any other automatic shifting, turbo six, etc. So it's more than just a car. It's a time machine.

[commandomatt]

While to some it may be just a car but to some it may be the life long achievement of hard work and savings. It could be something that represents a bond you had with a father or brother and it means more than any other 4 wheeled appliance on the road. I wouldn't say the OP is in that bucket but to some it's not just a car.

Consider yourself to be of the few who had the pleasure owning and selling, and not caring, for 6+ Vipers. Not everyone is in that boat where they can do that. I know I can't but if it came down to it I could sell the car without hesitation if I needed but in the same breath I don't treat it like a cup of coffee.

I agree, this is a great post.

My ‘special’ cars, past and present, has been in my possession because of passion and emotion....no other reason. Because of that, I get attached and usually miss those I have sold. Anymore, I am a buyer, not a seller. They all represent something. It can be design, memories, performance or just something that stirs me.

That’s enough and what I want. Also the reason I don’t have to drive them all the time to enjoy them. They are here to stay long term.

Sure, it’s nice to know the 17 acre is going up in value but it would not mean any less to me if it wasn’t. It has my damn name on the build sheet and to me, that’s priceless

[SnakeEyes]

That auction estimates value between $300,000.00 - $400,000.00.

I paid $127k.

So no one wanted to pay $300K for that 72 mile Dealer Edition with a week long auction. I think my valuation was right on the money. Never believe these auction houses as they always wanna pump it up! Zee go for it for $250 before your buyer gets to see the latest results :D

[zee]

So no one wanted to pay $300K for that 72 mile Dealer Edition with a week long auction. I think my valuation was right on the money. Never believe these auction houses as they always wanna pump it up! Zee go for it for $250 before your buyer gets to see the latest results :D

Ha - if it doesn’t sell I still win because I can keep her lol. Nothing against the dealer edition but I feel the GTSR scheme is much more desired even if mine isn’t numbered.

[ViperJon]

The main reason I never regretted selling a car is I almost invariably had something “better” coming in. Guess I get bored faster than most. I went from a basic red Gen 2 GTS to a B&W GTS to a Gen 4 ACR to a better Gen 4 ACR to an Orange Gen V TA to a Gen V ACR-E to finally the current GTS-R. Usually had two at the same time. With a Lambo Superleggera thrown in the mix too. Lost money on every one till now lol…… enjoyed them all but never got attached.

[Policy Limits]

So no one wanted to pay $300K for that 72 mile Dealer Edition with a week long auction. I think my valuation was right on the money. Never believe these auction houses as they always wanna pump it up! Zee go for it for $250 before your buyer gets to see the latest results :D

So it hammered for 233% more than I paid in a short period of time. Nothing short of exceptional.

I did a transfer registration and at the time had to debate the registrar as to whether or not my 15k manufacturer loyalty voucher should count as part of the sales price or not. I convinced them that as a rebate it did not so 7% sales tax was saved on the difference. Everything about the car has just been a win. Imagine if it ends up having seven figure value in the end...

I think zee is missing the 25th Anniversary badge, numbered car component & it's model year 2016 instead of 2017, factors which might impact value. So if he can grab 1/4 mill i do opine that would be a good deal.

[Policy Limits]

The main reason I never regretted selling a car is I almost invariably had something “better” coming in. Guess I get bored faster than most. I went from a basic red Gen 2 GTS to a B&W GTS to a Gen 4 ACR to a better Gen 4 ACR to an Orange Gen V TA to a Gen V ACR-E to finally the current GTS-R. Usually had two at the same time. With a Lambo Superleggera thrown in the mix too. Lost money on every one till now lol…… enjoyed them all but never got attached.

Funny I have lost on every single car until now too. This includes Bentley, Lamborghini, Maserati, etc. It is refreshing & extremely rare to have the opposite occur. However, I still did predict this from jump street and naysayers were the majority at that time. I suspect that they are still upset at how well these cars are doing & I find it so strange.

[Gen5snake]

Cash is King, not bitcoin....I had to throw that in there...from another thread, anyway... Take the cash and you sold it for a break even at your purchase price if you know what I mean.

[Scott_in_fl]

Needing the money for another use, or just wanting to use the money for another use is not a terrible reason to sell any asset. I think our discussion here is assuming that you do not need or want to use the money for something else.

In that case, it's emotion/enjoyment/attachment to the car vs. freeing up space in the garage/stopping ongoing costs of ownership, etc.

Which side of the balance outweighs the other for you?

[Toxic]

I have 7,800 miles on my Dealer Edition. I was offered a legit $250,000 at the Viper Days Reunion as I rolled off the track at Road America. He looked over the car in the paddock and offerred again the next day. I already have too many memories with my father and the car. He helped my at NVE 3 and 4. We went to Daytona together. We enjoyed debating selling or keeping over dinner. Several long road trips trailering to events. Four more of those trips planned this year. I probably won't let the car go until I can no longer share the experience with him. Who knows where the car value and my feelings on the car will be then, but I'll be suprised if it's not at least worth what I paid for it.......which means it's a win.

I know this much, if it's going to take not driving it to increase the value then I will continue to drive it. I enjoy it too much. In the past when I started considering selling I typically did it without looking back. If you already have your eye on another toy and don't feel the joy or attachment then go for it. $250,000 for a '16 is solid money.

[ACRSNK]

I just added an FGT to the stable. It is something that I have been looking to do for quite some time thinking it would be the end all be all and while it is truly beyond words and amazing I’m happy that I still have the GTSR in the garage. I honestly can’t say I like the FGT better than the Viper. Kind of a tie. My point in saying this is I really feel the Viper is going to be extremely difficult to replace and I know if I ever sold it would be instant seller’s remorse. If you don’t need the money, hold onto it. These cars are not going to get any cheaper. Inflation is a bitch and with less than 1K units total ACR-E’s are keepers for many reasons.

[ACRSNK]

Did you decide to sell or keep?

[Aevus]

with less than 1K units total ACR-E’s are keepers for many reasons.
that much were produced?

[zee]

Did you decide to sell or keep?

After a nice long drive and hitting cars and coffee with my son, I just don’t think I can part with it. Staying for now!!

[ACRSNK]

Nice!!! Good call!

[Aevus]

After a nice long drive and hitting cars and coffee with my son, I just don’t think I can part with it. Staying for now!!

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[Scott_in_fl]

that much were produced?

About 800.

[Whiskey]

After a nice long drive and hitting cars and coffee with my son, I just don’t think I can part with it. Staying for now!!

There have been times after a good time with the car I kept it...others I sold it. But no matter what way I went with the decision, I never regretted it.

[Lawineer]

I keep going back and forth on it. I think it's because it's winter I'm more likely to sell than I otherwise would be.

It's either sell or upgrade brakes, aero, steering wheel (carbon with built in led/rpm deal) and a few other things.

[ViperNC]

After a nice long drive and hitting cars and coffee with my son, I just don’t think I can part with it. Staying for now!!

Let me guess based upon my previous comment:

"Plus there are so many Lambo/Ferrari/McLaren/Aston/Porsche/Audi people running around these days it's just too much fun taking all their precious attention away from them when you roll up in a VIPER... priceless."

:lol2:

[zee]

Let me guess based upon my previous comment:

"Plus there are so many Lambo/Ferrari/McLaren/Aston/Porsche/Audi people running around these days it's just too much fun taking all their precious attention away from them when you roll up in a VIPER... priceless."

:lol2:

My Perf gets just as much attention if not more then my ACR. Any car event the ACR is the winner with attention but outside of car events Perf wins.

[StrokerAce]

I was down to Sebring this weekend. There were only three Vipers in the car show of probably 300 cars including the Corvette group. Yellow Gen III, Green Gen IV and a blue 2016 Gen V GTS with black Laguna interior.

There were a few Vipers racing but I think maybe three total.

[Scott_in_fl]

My Perf gets just as much attention if not more then my ACR. Any car event the ACR is the winner with attention but outside of car events Perf wins.

I never thought about the distinction among driving venues, but now that you mention it, I can see how this might be true. Interesting observation.

[ViperNC]

My Perf gets just as much attention if not more then my ACR. Any car event the ACR is the winner with attention but outside of car events Perf wins.

I get all the Lambo owner's attention regardless as my 9L leaves them behind. We have a group of goofballs locally who call themselves the "Lambro's" and their scowls are hilarious when I show up in the Viper or the Cobra. Their "I'm better than you" egos are so fragile. :smilielol:

[zee]

I get all the Lambo owner's attention regardless as my 9L leaves them behind. We have a group of goofballs locally who call themselves the "Lambro's" and their scowls are hilarious when I show up in the Viper or the Cobra. Their "I'm better than you" egos are so fragile. :smilielol:

You sure talk about "attention" a lot. I really don't care anymore about the attention. To me its about the driving experience and how the car makes me feel. Yes, attention does add to the driving experience but you could also be driving a Polaris slingshot and get a lot of attention (I drove my friends and it gets a ton of attention but who cares lol).

[Space Truckin]

You sure talk about "attention" a lot. I really don't care anymore about the attention. To me its about the driving experience and how the car makes me feel. Yes, attention does add to the driving experience but you could also be driving a Polaris slingshot and get a lot of attention (I drove my friends and it gets a ton of attention but who cares lol).

^^^This^^^....:United_States:

[ViperNC]

You sure talk about "attention" a lot. I really don't care anymore about the attention. To me its about the driving experience and how the car makes me feel. Yes, attention does add to the driving experience but you could also be driving a Polaris slingshot and get a lot of attention (I drove my friends and it gets a ton of attention but who cares lol).

I agree 100%. It is about the driving experience for me as well. I just get a kick out of all the attention seeking people. When I show up to our local C&C I get out of whichever car I brought and immediately leave that area to walk around and see what other cars showed up. However, you can't help but notice people's reactions prior to walking away. I put over 10,000 miles on my GTC in the first two years of ownership with a ton of spirited driving in twisty country and mountain roads with a few track days thrown in. After trying to get the car crowd to come drive with me as a small group (like we do on the motorbikes) I was sorely disappointed that these guys basically only want to go to a show, stand around and peacock, and then take their car home to buff it with a diaper. So I guess my "attention comments" are more for sport than seeking my own attention. No one cares about the guy who drove the car. Nonetheless, I think you made the right decision to keep your ACRE. :drive: