What s the difference between a 2014 SRT and a 2015 GT

[Mikey]

I'm deep into the purchasing process of a Viper, I'm in a good/bad dilemma on which vehicle to choose though.

Both cars have nearly exactly the same amount of miles, both have the CF aero and sidewinder II wheels.
The 2015 GT has the 22j quick order package
the 2014 is just a standard SRT
The price difference between the two is about 9k. Is a GT model worth 9k more than a year older SRT model?

[Lawineer]

The price difference is really due to the year.

[Mikey]

Another Dallas guy here, nice. Is there any reason to get the 15 gt over the 14 srt?

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The price difference is really due to the year.

Another Dallas guy here, nice. Is there any reason to get the 15 gt over the 14 srt?

[98intrigue]

The GT will have the suede door/lower dash/kick panels and suede seats, 2-vent hood, as well as the 2pc Stoptech rotors and bi-mode shocks. Is that worth $9k to you?

[AZTVR]

Note that the 2014 may have a 10year powertrain warranty if its VIN was included in the r28 "recall." The 2015 would not. You would need to confirm that with a dealer. Not all 2013 and 2014 were included in that warranty extension.

[Lawineer]

2015 has the taller 6th gear too.
Srt won’t have the nicer Napa leather seats and upgraded stereo. 6 vs 2 vent hood is a preference- 6 exaggerates the hood length and I prefer the cleaner 2 vent hood, albeit it’s not a strong preference.
I think the 14 srt might have the 2pc stop tech brakes though. I’d check. I think it can be optioned with bimode shocks too.

[PkB2014]

https://jalopnik.com/dodge-viper-the-ultimate-buyers-guide-1735387549

decent breakdown of all trim levels. GT is in between a SRT and GTS in price, but is closer to a GTS than an SRT. Think GTS with a lesser interior.

[SRT_BluByU]

do a search on who to look up the window sticker of the two cars using the VIN and that should tell you the specifics for your value judgement.

[Mikey]

I went ahead and got the 15 gt. The red one is a private party and isn't moving fast enough, plus I'd rather have than have not. I cant wait to get her home, still waiting on the PPI to come back

[USAFPILOT]

Love my GT, perfect street car.

[Mikey]

I'm growing inpatient and thinking about driving her from north Carolina back to Texas, but not sure how well it would do. Any experience on long trips?

[Hamrhead]

Plus the '15 has 5 more HP!!!! :rolleyes:

[Steve-Indy]

IF the weather forecast is good, check tires and fluids before you start, MIND the oil level along the way (take a few spare quarts with you) ...and
GO FOR IT !!

[Mikey]

After looking at the price of mods, I'll take it

[Mikey]

IF the weather forecast is good, check tires and fluids before you start, MIND the oil level along the way (take a few spare quarts with you) ...and
GO FOR IT !!

Any suggestion on brand of oil?

[Whiplash]

Any suggestion on brand of oil?

Mobil 1

[SilveRT8]

Now that you have the GT with the taller 6th gear, Go ahead and put 3.91 rear gears, feel the difference and have fun !

[Mikey]

PPI says tires are about 50% and brakes are about 30-40%. Any recommendation on where to purchase both?

[ViperSRT]

PPI says tires are about 50% and brakes are about 30-40%. Any recommendation on where to purchase both?

Wow, 10,500 miles and brakes are at 30-40%. Someone was hard on the brakes!

[Mikey]

Wow, 10,500 miles and brakes are at 30-40%. Someone was hard on the brakes!

yes, that was a bit surprising. Not sure if it's enough to back out of the deal. Opinions?

[Steve-Indy]

I would try to match what has been used in that vehicle IF you also got service records and/or info from last owner.
Most street drivers have used Mobil 1 0W-40 or 15W-50... or the factory fill Pennzoil Ultra Platinum SRT 0W-40.

Finally, when you get home, change oil and filter..using proper SRT filter which is part number 05038041AA.

[PkB2014]

yes, that was a bit surprising. Not sure if it's enough to back out of the deal. Opinions?

I wouldn't worry about it.


I would try to match what has been used in that vehicle IF you also got service records and/or info from last owner.
Most street drivers have used Mobil 1 0W-40 or 15W-50... or the factory fill Pennzoil Ultra Platinum SRT 0W-40.

Finally, when you get home, change oil and filter..using proper SRT filter which is part number 05038041AA.

Definitely change the oil and filter when you get it. I like the Mobil 1 : 5w50 for year-round oil.

[Mikey]

I wouldn't worry about it.



Definitely change the oil and filter when you get it. I like the Mobil 1 : 5w50 for year-round oil.


Already booking an appointment for next week, stoptech brakes for the GT? Anyone know where I can source a non CF taillight surround pannel?

[Lawineer]

I really like my carbotech 1521 pads. Minimal dust- more than ceramic, way less than factory. But they have better bite and stopping power than stock by a long shot base on driving the two- plenty of power to lock up the brakes at highway speeds- that's for sure.

[darbgnik]

Already booking an appointment for next week, stoptech brakes for the GT? Anyone know where I can source a non CF taillight surround pannel?

If the previous owner left the factory Brembo pads on there, the rotors should be fine to reuse, the Brembos aren't hard on rotors. My pre bed Carbotech endurance pads on the other hand, are hard on rotors. If you're street driving, stick to the Brembos, dust be damned, (not that I care about dust, unlike most owners).

For the rear carbon applique, most either go OEM, or Xtreme Supercars.

[Mikey]

Do you have to swap out rotors when your pads are low? So far I'm becoming less and less impressed with the 2015 I posted

[Mikey]

If the previous owner left the factory Brembo pads on there, the rotors should be fine to reuse, the Brembos aren't hard on rotors. My pre bed Carbotech endurance pads on the other hand, are hard on rotors. If you're street driving, stick to the Brembos, dust be damned, (not that I care about dust, unlike most owners).

For the rear carbon applique, most either go OEM, or Xtreme Supercars.

Looks like you responded just as I did. Dealer said he'd put new pads in the front, haven't said which one. Based on a picture, it looks like either the diffuser is cracked or may just be a trail of fluid of some sort, might have to walk away

[darbgnik]

Looks like you responded just as I did. Dealer said he'd put new pads in the front, haven't said which one. Based on a picture, it looks like either the diffuser is cracked or may just be a trail of fluid of some sort, might have to walk away

Dealer send you any better pics? The cargurus pics are small and don't show much detail on my 30 inch monitor.

The more I look at the low res pictures, it looks like at least the passenger exhaust tip is resting too far back in the bezel, if it's cold, and I can't really tell from the pics, but the rotors don't look "unused".... I also find the front bumper looks weird with the stryker badge removed.

[Steve M]

Do you have to swap out rotors when your pads are low? So far I'm becoming less and less impressed with the 2015 I posted

Not necessarily, but it depends on what the rotors look like. If you are sticking with the same pads, I wouldn't hesitate to use the same rotors as long as they look okay. If going with different pads, you could always try cleaning up the rotor surface first with something like this:

https://www.amazon.com/3M-01410-Surface-Conditioning-Starter/dp/B00063V0XC?th=1

[Mikey]

He sent a walk around, here's the passenger exhaust

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Driver side rotor

[darbgnik]

He sent a walk around, here's the passenger exhaust

Driver side rotor

In this pic from the add the exhaust tip looks way far back.

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Here's mine for comparison, they need to sit a bit forward cold to allow them to expand while hot, and not touch the back of the bezel.

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This might be a sign of a good thing, however. It may have high flow cats on it, which will prevent your white paint near the sill from yellowing.

[Mikey]

In this pic from the add the exhaust tip looks way far back.

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Here's mine for comparison, they need to sit a bit forward cold to allow them to expand while hot, and not touch the back of the bezel.

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This might be a sign of a good thing, however. It may have high flow cats on it, which will prevent your white paint near the sill from yellowing.


I see what you're saying, it's definitely near the far back. He doesn't seem to have much knowledge on it since he got it from auction. I noticed the intake appears to be different as well. It's concerning that the person who did the PPI didn't note any of this

[darbgnik]

I see what you're saying, it's definitely near the far back. He doesn't seem to have much knowledge on it since he got it from auction. I noticed the intake appears to be different as well. It's concerning that the person who did the PPI didn't note any of this

Well judging by the airbox, which doesn't help performance by the way, and the added TA aero, the last owner wasn't afraid of basic mods. I'd assume the exhaust is probably either modded, or was modded and returned to stock. Still not a reason to be afraid of the car really, just something to be mindful of. It's also not surprising it wouldn't be noted on a PPI, they're probably ensuring it has an exhaust, not whether it's OEM, or adjusted correctly. Not on many other car does that part of the installation of exhaust actually have consequences.

[Mikey]

Well judging by the airbox, which doesn't help performance by the way, and the added TA aero, the last owner wasn't afraid of basic mods. I'd assume the exhaust is probably either modded, or was modded and returned to stock. Still not a reason to be afraid of the car really, just something to be mindful of. It's also not surprising it wouldn't be noted on a PPI, they're probably ensuring it has an exhaust, not whether it's OEM, or adjusted correctly. Not on many other car does that part of the installation of exhaust actually have consequences.

Good to know, are there any aftermarket options for the ta aero? Also, whats a quick way to determine if the rotors are I'm decent shape? I'm looking for a ready to go car, but the red srt isn't as responsive

[darbgnik]

Good to know, are there any aftermarket options for the ta aero? Also, whats a quick way to determine if the rotors are I'm decent shape? I'm looking for a ready to go car, but the red srt isn't as responsive

Xtreme supercars seems to be the go to for carbon fiber, if not using OEM on these cars. The TA spoiler from Xtreme goes on with 3M tape, the OEM one with urethane. The front splitters get screwed to the car either way. Xtreme quality is top notch, OEM obviously is as well.

Again, it's hard to tell if the rotors are good by looking at pictures, obvious deep gouges should show up in high resolution pics, but heat checking from heavy track use, which causes vibration, is harder to spot without getting right up to it. Even if the rotors need replaced, you can buy the rings separate from Jon B, and swapping them is child's play... ask me how I know....

The bi-mode suspension on the GT might be the biggest pro with this 2015 GT, vs the 2014 SRT. The SRT suspension out of the box is quite stiff..... but the 6 vent hood is a must for me, so I'd have that over the GT suspension, as I've changed my suspension to DSC active anyway.

[ViperGeorge]

The clamps on the OEM exhaust stink. Once they are removed it is hard to get them tight enough to prevent rearward movement of the muffler. My guess is the exhaust has been apart for some reason. I ended up having a friend tack weld the joints on my ACR. Not really a concern that the exhaust was changed but you should check what if anything was done. High flow cats would be a plus to many people but could cause a state inspection issue depending on your state.

[Mikey]

The clamps on the OEM exhaust stink. Once they are removed it is hard to get them tight enough to prevent rearward movement of the muffler. My guess is the exhaust has been apart for some reason. I ended up having a friend tack weld the joints on my ACR. Not really a concern that the exhaust was changed but you should check what if anything was done. High flow cats would be a plus to many people but could cause a state inspection issue depending on your state.

Not sure if this will be an issue in texas, but I agree, I would like to know at least what all was done to it

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@darbgnik I sent a pm to xtreme supercars, see what the damage is for some replacement splitters

[Steve M]

Those codes tell me it has high flow cats. Which makes sense given the poorly placed exhaust tips.

[Mikey]

Sounds like a plus then, so far the only concerns are brakes ND aero,which is only cosmetic but expensive

[darbgnik]

Sounds like a plus then, so far the only concerns are brakes ND aero, which is only cosmetic but expensive

Well the fact that the only issues are "bolt on", then you're likely in good shape. Like I mentioned, you can buy the rings separate of the rotor carriers if the rotors are excessively chewed up or heat checked. Swapping the rotor rings is an easy DIY project, if you're in to that. And if you're not doing track days, the OEM Brembo pads are easy on rotors, and quiet, if you don't mind the dust. How are the rotors looking now that you have the car in front of you?

IIRC the splitters are kind of a pain to do, but I'd leave them alone for a bit to see how often your local area makes contact with them...... You may find they make contact with speed bumps and driveways enough for you to be less concerned with their appearance being perfect.

[SRT_BluByU]

Are you looking for CF tail light surround or the black non-CF surround?

[Mikey]

Well the fact that the only issues are "bolt on", then you're likely in good shape. Like I mentioned, you can buy the rings separate of the rotor carriers if the rotors are excessively chewed up or heat checked. Swapping the rotor rings is an easy DIY project, if you're in to that. And if you're not doing track days, the OEM Brembo pads are easy on rotors, and quiet, if you don't mind the dust. How are the rotors looking now that you have the car in front of you?

IIRC the splitters are kind of a pain to do, but I'd leave them alone for a bit to see how often your local area makes contact with them...... You may find they make contact with speed bumps and driveways enough for you to be less concerned with their appearance being perfect.


I still haven't flown out to look at it, I technically haven't bought it yet, the check is simply written. So far the red SRT only has some scratches underneath the front bumper, but the splitters are nearly untouched besides the guards underneath it

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Are you looking for CF tail light surround or the black non-CF surround?


Non cf, preferably. Dealer said he'd be willing to wrap the oem if I desired

[Mikey]

SRT is going in for a PPI Tuesday, so far, I'm favoring the SRT 499884998949990

Any recommendations on shipping, anyone?

[Lawineer]

Make sure your shipper has enough insurance. I think they're only required to have like $50k. I'd also have your own insurance on the car before it's picked up. It's likely only 2-3 days (so a few bucks) of extra coverage, but if something happens, you can let the two insurance companies fight it out. Obviously, make sure it's an enclosed trailer.

I also agree with above. Likely has high flow cats added. First thing I'd do is remove that rocker panel and adjust the placement to be more forward. It's very easy. Definitely the easiest exhaust I've installed. Hardest part was getting the car in the air, lol. I wouldn't let that deter you from the 2015 though. Again, it's a perk. It's honestly a "must" mod for these cars. The decreased heat and improvement on exhaust note is huge. I'd use the CEL as a negotiating point. Warranty is already expired so just get it tuned out.

I can't remember if I posted this already, but the Carbotech low dust pads are a real nice upgrade. Much less dust and more stopping power.

Exhaust with high flow cats and stock muffler: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZo80OAARG0

[Mikey]

I got a quote from reliable and passport, I saw them recommended on viper alley, how do I check how much insurance they have? I may actually end up driving, next Thursday is looking like good weather. The red SRT is now trying to jack up the price and is acting funny, so at least it's good to know that the mispositioned exhaust on the GT isn't something to worry about.

[Mikey]

Make sure your shipper has enough insurance. I think they're only required to have like $50k. I'd also have your own insurance on the car before it's picked up. It's likely only 2-3 days (so a few bucks) of extra coverage, but if something happens, you can let the two insurance companies fight it out. Obviously, make sure it's an enclosed trailer.

I also agree with above. Likely has high flow cats added. First thing I'd do is remove that rocker panel and adjust the placement to be more forward. It's very easy. Definitely the easiest exhaust I've installed. Hardest part was getting the car in the air, lol. I wouldn't let that deter you from the 2015 though. Again, it's a perk. It's honestly a "must" mod for these cars. The decreased heat and improvement on exhaust note is huge. I'd use the CEL as a negotiating point. Warranty is already expired so just get it tuned out.

I can't remember if I posted this already, but the Carbotech low dust pads are a real nice upgrade. Much less dust and more stopping power.

Exhaust with high flow cats and stock muffler: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZo80OAARG0



Dealer is putting these pads on the front.......... these are terrible pads, aren't they? I'm looking for the carbotech pads that you mentioned but every site say they don't fit https://www.autozone.com/brakes-and-traction-control/brake-pads/p/duralast-gold-brake-pads-dg810/33783_277276_1610?searchText=dg810

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[GTS Dean]

Randomly mismatched pad compounds. You shouldn't push the car very hard with them because you'll have different coefficients of friction front/rear. I do that purposely with plenty of objective deliberation.

[Mikey]

Randomly mismatched pad compounds. You shouldn't push the car very hard with them because you'll have different coefficients of friction front/rear. I do that purposely with plenty of objective deliberation.


I fully intend on swapping them off, I guess the better question would be, would it be safe to drive the home 13 hours back to Texas on those pads?

[StrokerAce]

Thursday I'll probably be heading through NC as well. :)

No wrong answer. I'd negotiate on the white one if the red one starts getting more expensive.

[Mikey]

Thursday I'll probably be heading through NC as well. :)

No wrong answer. I'd negotiate on the white one if the red one starts getting more expensive.

White won't budge, I refuse to pay a $699 doc fee though. If I end up picking up the white one, it would be great to meet up if you're close to the area

[StrokerAce]

White won't budge, I refuse to pay a $699 doc fee though. If I end up picking up the white one, it would be great to meet up if you're close to the area

I'll be traveling on my way back to central Florida from upstate PA.

Don't blame you on the doc fee. I hate that bullshit.

[2013GTS]

We're is the red srt listed?
What they asking for that one?

[SRT_BluByU]

Non cf, preferably. Dealer said he'd be willing to wrap the oem if I desired

I might have one if youre in need…


Use Reliable. No surprises and excellent service every time ive used them!

[Mikey]

I might have one if youre in need…


Use Reliable. No surprises and excellent service every time ive used them!



How much shipped?

How long does it usually take them to pick up the vehicle? They're a bit pricier, but I'll pay for quality work

[Mikey]

We're is the red srt listed?
What they asking for that one?

It's not listed, we agreed on 117k but now apparently he has a cash buyer for 129.5 without a ppi. Not a good look

Oh, and he wants 5-10k as a deposit. No thanks.

[Lawineer]

Dealer is putting these pads on the front.......... these are terrible pads, aren't they? I'm looking for the carbotech pads that you mentioned but every site say they don't fit https://www.autozone.com/brakes-and-traction-control/brake-pads/p/duralast-gold-brake-pads-dg810/33783_277276_1610?searchText=dg810

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I got mine from KNS brakes, no problems. Showed up within a few days.

We have the same front and rear pads. If you keep stock rear pads, you’ll have way more rear braking power (I’m sure there’s a proportioning valve but still). it’s going to be a mess. Swap in some srf fluid and get a good set of front and rear pads.

[StrokerAce]

It's not listed, we agreed on 117k but now apparently he has a cash buyer for 129.5 without a ppi. Not a good look

Oh, and he wants 5-10k as a deposit. No thanks.

If someone is willing to pay that he should sell it and I would tell him to. Haha Call his bluff.

[SRT_BluByU]

How much shipped?

How long does it usually take them to pick up the vehicle? They're a bit pricier, but I'll pay for quality work

They can be 2-3 days if you buy a dedicated truck.. longer if not.. but dedicated truck is pricey. Ive used them 6 times all with wonderful results. No surprises great communication and professional staff…. Ill have to get the surround down from storage and take some pictures for you. Pm me your zip and preferred shipping method. Its not small..

[Mikey]

If someone is willing to pay that he should sell it and I would tell him to. Haha Call his bluff.

Agreed, if he has a buyer for that much, go for it

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They can be 2-3 days if you buy a dedicated truck.. longer if not.. but dedicated truck is pricey. Ive used them 6 times all with wonderful results. No surprises great communication and professional staff…. Ill have to get the surround down from storage and take some pictures for you. Pm me your zip and preferred shipping method. Its not small..

At that rate, I might just drive her home, this buying process has been stressful

75126, standard shipping is fine, I'm going to see how this wrap comes out

[Lawineer]

Im in 75204. Come say hi when you get it!

[Mikey]

Im in 75204. Come say hi when you get it!

Oh wow you're in uptown, you don't happen to be the viper I saw qr The Glasshouse apartments, are you?

[Lawineer]

Oh wow you're in uptown, you don't happen to be the viper I saw qr The Glasshouse apartments, are you?

Nope but I live very close and work across the street. Black with gray stripes and a big wing.

https://i.imgur.com/PHwVy9I.jpg

[Mikey]

Nope but I live very close and work across the street. Black with gray stripes and a big wing.

https://i.imgur.com/PHwVy9I.jpg

Damn she looks good! I'm not parking anywhere near you