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Flalex
07-13-2021, 05:07 PM
TYPO IN TITLE '' 2014 GTS PRICING ''

Hey all. new to the forum!

Was initially shopping around for a 991.1 GT3 or R8 but stumbled across a 2013 GTS for sale in my area.

Its identical to one that my friend had 2 years ago and I truly found the car to be special and unique.

Now im in montreal canada so pricing might be abit different. Here is my dilema..

When my friend sold his 2014 GTS with 13k miles it was on the market at 109K Cad ( 87 USD ) by a high end dealership and took almost a year to sell.

Now this same car with 16k miles is at 140K firm ( 115 USD )

Im aware that all prices are insane due to covid but what im wondering is the following.

1. with the current market do you judge this fair?
2. Where do you guys see the price heading in a year, or 5?

We dont have a crystal ball but I dont want to end up buying a car that will drop back down to 100k next spring.

Thank you, here are some pictures

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13COBRA
07-13-2021, 05:14 PM
I'd say that's fair, maybe $10k overpriced considering the miles, but still relatively a good deal. It has the 6 hole hood, a good color combination and the sidewinder II wheels.

Flalex
07-13-2021, 05:18 PM
yup along with the full carbon pack according to seller. im going to see it tommorow..

13COBRA
07-13-2021, 05:20 PM
yup along with the full carbon pack according to seller. im going to see it tommorow..

If I were looking for one, I'd give up to $115k for it.

MoHaWk2003
07-13-2021, 11:28 PM
Welcome to the forums! I’ll put in my 2 cents:

1. Gotta ask yourself if this is a car you want. Too many people are playing with the flipping/investment idea right now. If it’s a car that you want, get it because it seems to me the price is fair. Did you want to buy your friend’s Viper when he sold it? If not, why now? Is it just because of market craze and fomo? This GTS with stripes, a 6 vent hood, and SWII make it a nice package to have.
2. Mileage doesn’t really matter to me because once again, I would be buying it to drive it. Not planning on selling it. I actually picked a somewhat higher mileage on my GTS when in the market 2 years ago just to hoping that engine issue would’ve have shown itself by that time. I bought my 2014 at 12k miles and am sitting currently at 17k with no issues so far (knock on wood).
3. Good luck with the search if you are really in the market for a Viper and looking to keep it long term. It’s a very fun car to own and definitely gets a lot of looks when it gets driven.

Don’t buy into the hype. Cars are in general a poor investment choice but you also only live once. Get what you want and don’t look back.

BSLSK
07-14-2021, 10:15 AM
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Arizona Vipers
07-14-2021, 10:27 AM
If you like it, buy it. What's $10K in the scheme of things? Find the car you want, in the color scheme you like and buy it. $105K is a fair price for that car

RT SERPENT
07-14-2021, 10:28 AM
I don't see these coming down much in the future. $125k CDN (that's a damn good exchange rate on $105k USD)
Nice car.

Fulltilt
07-14-2021, 10:55 AM
I believe there is a bubble about to burst on the used car market (2nd quarter 2022) but I don't think it will impact Vipers much. As mentioned many times before these cars are NA/6 spd/RWD. I believe they made 3,913 Gen V's. The window for finding a clean Gen 5 isn't getting bigger. That being said, the GT3 and R8 are also badass cars. Not sure what kind of production #'s they have. To put into perspective how few Vipers were made, (total +30,000) there are almost as many C6 ZO6's as there are Gen 1-Gen 5 Vipers.

13COBRA
07-14-2021, 11:04 AM
Ah, I'm an idiot. I thought it was $125k USD. I think $105K USD is plenty fair!

SRT_BluByU
07-14-2021, 12:03 PM
Seems reasonable.. like others have said i wouldnt be worried about miles as i find it to be a positive the car didnt just sit. However, maintenance and care history may be more important (as is usage). These cars are pretty tough and dependsable in my opinion. Ifyou like this spec why not jump on it?

Scott_in_fl
07-14-2021, 04:40 PM
To the OP, I like the 991.1 GT3 option better. But that's likely at a substantially higher cost, so this GTS is a terrific alternative at a steep discount. I'm with the others about the price being fair. White with the black stripes looks great in person too! I wouldn't worry about the miles. If the condition is good, then this should be a terrific car. Good luck!

Flalex
07-14-2021, 05:06 PM
Back from visiting the car.

To answer some of the past questions. I did not buy the car when my friend had it because I simply was not in a financial situation to do so.

The seller is kind of sketchy and was under the impression he could charge taxes on the car ( LOL ) so he wants 140K Cad ( 115K USD )

The front bumper seems to have shifted and the carbon front blade is damaged possibly due to getting towed ( it was sold to toronto and bought back in montreal )

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over all the car is very nice but the seller being so sketchy is kind of steering me away....

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13COBRA
07-14-2021, 05:22 PM
A private seller shouldn't be collecting sales tax.

Flalex
07-14-2021, 06:08 PM
A private seller shouldn't be collecting sales tax.

Yea im aware of that, but apparently he isnt. so he was under the impression the sale would net him 140k.

StrokerAce
07-14-2021, 06:41 PM
That bumper gap is off. Sorry but something is up with it. I get a bad vibe from that car, to be honest.

pMak26
07-14-2021, 07:00 PM
The underside of the hood is painted? ...are other genVs underside of the hood painted to match the color of the car? I thought they were all exposed carbon.

Or does it just look like that from light glare in the photo?

Flalex
07-14-2021, 08:29 PM
The underside of the hood is painted? ...are other genVs underside of the hood painted to match the color of the car? I thought they were all exposed carbon.

Or does it just look like that from light glare in the photo?

just the glare, it was exposed carbon

SRT_BluByU
07-14-2021, 09:02 PM
A small tap to the front facsia splitters from a parking stop can cause that gap to close like that.. the rubs strips on the underside of the splitter are also there to take scrapes
From driveway aprons, etc.. they are wear and tear items and ate replaceable

Flalex
07-14-2021, 09:51 PM
A small tap to the front facsia splitters from a parking stop can cause that gap to close like that.. the rubs strips on the underside of the splitter are also there to take scrapes
From driveway aprons, etc.. they are wear and tear items and ate replaceable


And how would you fix the gap? Does something need to be replaced?

stevert
07-15-2021, 07:51 AM
I would not buy a car in Quebec, from Quebec or anything to do with Quebec... scammer central

BSLSK
07-15-2021, 08:13 AM
And how would you fix the gap? Does something need to be replaced?

You can loosen the screws in the wheel well and adjust the bumper directly without replacing any parts. You may have to add some spacers to the screws at the top of the bumper, but that is normal during assembly anyway.

With that said, I'd walk away if you aren't feeling too confident about the seller.

Flalex
07-15-2021, 08:23 AM
You can loosen the screws in the wheel well and adjust the bumper directly without replacing any parts. You may have to add some spacers to the screws at the top of the bumper, but that is normal during assembly anyway.

With that said, I'd walk away if you aren't feeling too confident about the seller.


Normally id walk away, only thing reassuring me is that it turned out to be my friends old car who he sold at 23k km, and currently has 26k. ( it was sold to toronto and repurchased in montreal by the current owner who claims to be a collector. Hes selling it as he bought a ACR )

The spec is perfect and already has cat/muffler delete, arrow pcm, rear diffuser, lowering kit

13COBRA
07-15-2021, 08:26 AM
Go for it.

BSLSK
07-15-2021, 08:32 AM
Seems like you really want it. My question would be what's the asking price now? Or did you already state that and I missed it? IMO $105k USD is a very fair price. $115k USD isn't a bad price either but I wouldn't consider that a "deal".

SRT_BluByU
07-15-2021, 08:39 AM
And how would you fix the gap? Does something need to be replaced?

I dont know about the gap.. maybe could bend it back (opposite direction)? I'm sure the body shop fellas could make quick work of it.

13COBRA
07-15-2021, 08:48 AM
Gap wouldn't be a big deal at all.

Flalex
07-15-2021, 09:36 AM
Yea I do! Sick car and really nothing ealse on the market in the price range at the moment! I know these will keep appreciating so best time to buy is always now.


Hes at 115K USD ( 140 ) because he tought he could charge taxes. But I offered him 105K USD ( 125 ) firm this AM. We will see what he says. If not then il keep searching!


You can loosen the screws in the wheel well and adjust the bumper directly without replacing any parts. You may have to add some spacers to the screws at the top of the bumper, but that is normal during assembly anyway.

With that said, I'd walk away if you aren't feeling too confident about the seller.


Seems like you really want it. My question would be what's the asking price now? Or did you already state that and I missed it? IMO $105k USD is a very fair price. $115k USD isn't a bad price either but I wouldn't consider that a "deal".

13COBRA
07-15-2021, 09:43 AM
Yea I do! Sick car and really nothing ealse on the market in the price range at the moment! I know these will keep appreciating so best time to buy is always now.


Hes at 115K USD ( 140 ) because he tought he could charge taxes. But I offered him 105K USD ( 125 ) firm this AM. We will see what he says. If not then il keep searching!

I'm not sure how it would work in Canada..but if "charges" taxes, that sounds like he keeps them. If he "collects" taxes, that means he'd file them on your behalf.

In the US, private sellers do not collect sales tax, and it is the responsibility of the purchaser to pay sales tax to the state.

Flalex
07-15-2021, 09:53 AM
Same deal here.

Like I said its the seller who is mistaken.

BSLSK
07-15-2021, 10:27 AM
Like you said, the seller seems "sketchy". Either he is truly ignorant or he is trying to drive up the price, albeit I will say again $115k USD is not a bad price for that car. It's laughable the guy thinks he can "charge" taxes on a private party sale. If those other vehicles in the pics are part of his collection, I would be pretty damn sure this ain't his first rodeo with a private sale.