2017 ACR Dealer Edition for sale

[Arizona Vipers]

Calvo Motorsports has this car on consignment, 2017 Dealer Edition ACR with only 154 miles. $300K. I think it's a good deal. If you are looking for one to garage and show off, this would be a good choice! And save $100K if you don't care what VIN number it has lol.
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[ACRSNK]

I’m sure someone will snag that.

[BJG32]

I think policylimits thinks this car is more valuable than the 1 of 100 GTSR. Easy $100k if so. We’ll see if backs up his thoughts!

[Arizona Vipers]

I think policylimits thinks this car is more valuable than the 1 of 100 GTSR. Easy $100k if so. We’ll see if backs up his thoughts!

Yeah, this car for $300K is a steal for him. It won't last once he sees it. He said it'll be worth a million dollars soon, here's his chance! I bet the guy will even take $280K!

[serpent]

I was on BaT earlier and saw a Saleen S7, the twin turbo version with a wing. That thing will prob sell for a mil plus.

[Lawineer]

I was on BaT earlier and saw a Saleen S7, the twin turbo version with a wing. That thing will prob sell for a mil plus.

God, I hope not. I helped design the NA to TT conversion. It's been a dream car of mine :(. Every time I make more money, it goes up higher in price!

The TT with the wing is the competition version. It has about 1000hp IIRC. We originally expected the TT to make 750 under 8psi but it did it under 4psi. That's how all that happened.

[13COBRA]

I'm sure it'll sell fast...but with all of the crazies on BaT, why wouldn't the owner just list it there?

[usmcfieldmp]

God, I hope not. I helped design the NA to TT conversion. It's been a dream car of mine :(. Every time I make more money, it goes up higher in price!

The TT with the wing is the competition version. It has about 1000hp IIRC. We originally expected the TT to make 750 under 8psi but it did it under 4psi. That's how all that happened.

Pristine, low mile example, but still...

158-Mile 2007 Saleen S7 LM - $1.2 mil. Won in November by the same guy that just sold the $400k GTSR.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/2007-saleen-s7/

Also, where do you work, and are they hiring Design Engineers? lol

[Lawineer]

Pristine, low mile example, but still...

158-Mile 2007 Saleen S7 LM - $1.2 mil. Won in November by the same guy that just sold the $400k GTSR.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/2007-saleen-s7/

Also, where do you work, and are they hiring Design Engineers? lol

I want the highest mileage one out there, lol. I know that car pretty well. Half the darn parts for the prototype came from summit racing and the engine internals are all a standard size- I want to say SBF. It's a pushrod engine- pretty much nothing I couldn't rebuild. Every wear part is more or less off the shelf of something in production except for a few little things you could easily find a solution for. The wheels might be your biggest problem, as they were custom CNC cut, but even that's pretty easy these days. Body work and glass will be your hardest finds. the TT's all have lexan rear hatches and, I believe, headlights.

Not sure how I went from designing race cars and fighter jet engines to defending capital murder, but I'm an attorney now. I am hiring a designer to design my new office if that counts, haha. I'm genuinely considering putting a driving simulator in an empty office lol.

[Viperenvy]

I believe this is the vehicle - interesting 60+ minutes and the owners explanation on the work he put into it after buying.....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kKdJa_rP2gA

[Arizona Vipers]

I want the highest mileage one out there, lol. I know that car pretty well. Half the darn parts for the prototype came from summit racing and the engine internals are all a standard size- I want to say SBF. It's a pushrod engine- pretty much nothing I couldn't rebuild. Every wear part is more or less off the shelf of something in production except for a few little things you could easily find a solution for. The wheels might be your biggest problem, as they were custom CNC cut, but even that's pretty easy these days. Body work and glass will be your hardest finds. the TT's all have lexan rear hatches and, I believe, headlights.

Not sure how I went from designing race cars and fighter jet engines to defending capital murder, but I'm an attorney now. I am hiring a designer to design my new office if that counts, haha. I'm genuinely considering putting a driving simulator in an empty office lol.

Very interesting career history dude! Very cool! What kind of sims are you looking at? I want one as well, but it's got to be 100% complete and not crazy expensive.

[13COBRA]

I want the highest mileage one out there, lol. I know that car pretty well. Half the darn parts for the prototype came from summit racing and the engine internals are all a standard size- I want to say SBF. It's a pushrod engine- pretty much nothing I couldn't rebuild. Every wear part is more or less off the shelf of something in production except for a few little things you could easily find a solution for. The wheels might be your biggest problem, as they were custom CNC cut, but even that's pretty easy these days. Body work and glass will be your hardest finds. the TT's all have lexan rear hatches and, I believe, headlights.

Not sure how I went from designing race cars and fighter jet engines to defending capital murder, but I'm an attorney now. I am hiring a designer to design my new office if that counts, haha. I'm genuinely considering putting a driving simulator in an empty office lol.

You wouldn't regret it.

I have a buddy that has a giant flight simulator off of his office at work.

[Lawineer]

I believe this is the vehicle - interesting 60+ minutes and the owners explanation on the work he put into it after buying.....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kKdJa_rP2gA


The guy is right about some stuff, but not others. Chassis was designed in England, etc. A lot of his sidebar facts were accurate. Saleen definitely helped PRODUCE (but not develop) the Ford GT. Fun fact: Rumor I was told is the one sent to magazines was underpullied to get better stats lol. However, the TT was not in response to the GT. We also didn't rush it. There were a zillion hours of tuning in it on the street. I think the problem was probably TT to TT comp version.

See pictures below. We used the Ford GT as a chase car for a while. The video is of me in an underpullied Saleen Mustang Extreme riding shotgun during testing. The S7 engine was first bolted up with turbos. It's running nearly zero PSI boost.

https://i.imgur.com/CwI9f2r.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/opBR9kT.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/cjHosd6.jpg

You can see the computer in the passenger seat of the S7 and maybe make out the fire extinghisher in the GT. You can see my Silverado in the background.

Video: https://youtu.be/Aq-rZZZQ6wM

It's also Sah-lean not "Say-lean"



Very interesting career history dude! Very cool! What kind of sims are you looking at? I want one as well, but it's got to be 100% complete and not crazy expensive.

I haven't got that far, but I'm with you. I dont have time to jack with bits and parts here and there. I want a turn key, 3 monitor with good steering wheel and pedals.

[bluesrt]

guy is amazing what he and his buddy went through and sorted out, car still seems like a nightmare

[Lawineer]

guy is amazing what he and his buddy went through and sorted out, car still seems like a nightmare

Yeah. If I got one, I'd just go straight up motec. I'd also probably find the engineer (I think we're connected on LinkedIn) that did the tuning to see what was going on.

I didn't see any spreadsheets, but I'd imagine they were having difficult financial times even in 2004. Seem to recall them giving a few investor tours.

[Track Pack]

Where did you find it? I can't find it on Ebay, Autotrader, Bing search or Calvo's website..?

[Scott_in_fl]

I was on BaT earlier and saw a Saleen S7, the twin turbo version with a wing. That thing will prob sell for a mil plus.

Yep, that is the winner ride for sure. A dream car for many of us.


I'm genuinely considering putting a driving simulator in an empty office lol.

Ha, I've been looking into this myself for months now. Finally stopped playing the Newegg shuffle and just bit the bullet to purchase a super PC with RTX 3090, Ryzen 5950x, etc.


Very interesting career history dude! Very cool! What kind of sims are you looking at? I want one as well, but it's got to be 100% complete and not crazy expensive.

If you watch most of the F1 guys, they don't use seat movers. Lando Norris is big on YouTube and has tons of vids with him using his simulators at home. So I think you want a good seat set-up (I'm liking the Trak Racer TR8 with a Sparco seat that I'll source separately), with Fanatac direct drive steering box, Simtag/Tilton hydraulic pedals, and then you can pick from dozens of wheels. For driving, I think a single ultrawide monitor is the way to go. Sammy has a nice 49".

The stuff available to build a quality sim rig is nuts these days. Here's a taste:

https://digital-motorsports.com/products/simtag-hydraulic-2-pedal-system-racer-edition?variant=38053535023300&currency=USD&utm_source=google&utm_medium=organic&utm_campaign=US%20DOLLAR%20Google%20Shopping%20Fee d&utm_content=SIMTAG%20Hydraulic%202%20Pedal%20Syste m%20(Racer%20Edition)&gclid=Cj0KCQjwxJqHBhC4ARIsAChq4au2Qp5IeTkH1qvHzzG1 RO83wcGPHzY6nC3rpH0Ib_kUncdg57Qzk74aAtEMEALw_wcB




You wouldn't regret it.

I have a buddy that has a giant flight simulator off of his office at work.

And aviation of course happens to be a passion of mine as well, which is the main reason I've been looking at sim rigs. I'd like something to double for driving/flying. MSFS 2020 is insane in 4k but it takes a beast of a computer to run well in 4k. I just went bonkers on the computer setup and am waiting on my Virpil HOTAS and pedals. VR would be perfect for flight, but I don't think I'll be able to outlast the nausea enough to get used to it. So it's a large 4k monitor for me. LG Oled 48 seems to be the popular choice.

For an entertaining flight and to see what is possible, check this out (the cabin audio is terrific):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RBYHt1x0y_Y

[serpent]

I would love to see a dealer edition go on BaT, but I have a feeling policylimits would bid on the car to jack the numbers up. Time will tell which will go for the most money, besides the $400k+ viper..

[Scott_in_fl]

^^^ I too would like to see it on BaT, because otherwise we have no idea what it eventually sells for. The fact that it has effectively no miles is something, but my guess is that it does not get close to $300k. Car looks great though.

[Policy Limits]

We have quarterly excise tax on vehicles in my state. Just got mine in. The municipality has assessed mine at 50k. Goin by that figure.

[Toxic]

Nice "As new" example.
Well......mine must be worthless. I actually use it......48519

[Policy Limits]

That picture is so bad ass! It's a barely Street legal race car for sure. And Red White & Blue ones are Fastest....

[Arizona Vipers]

Nice "As new" example.
Well......mine must be worthless. I actually use it......48519

Woah, badass. It must gather a crowd in the paddock. What's your next event????? What do you do with the caged Gen 4?

[Toxic]

Woah, badass. It must gather a crowd in the paddock. What's your next event????? What do you do with the caged Gen 4?

Next event will be the Viper Days Reunion. I saw you're registered there. I'll make sure I don't hold you up...... I ran the Gen 4 with NARRA/Viper Days in GT1 for a few years (2008 to 2012). Got busy with my business and sold it. Wish I hadn't. I'm currently running a car in ST4 with NASA.

[Arizona Vipers]

Next event will be the Viper Days Reunion. I saw you're registered there. I'll make sure I don't hold you up...... I ran the Gen 4 with NARRA/Viper Days in GT1 for a few years (2008 to 2012). Got busy with my business and sold it. Wish I hadn't. I'm currently running a car in ST4 with NASA.

Oh wow awesome! Will be great to meet you. Man you guys are legends, did you know Tim Jelle? He ran Narra etc, he's a friend of mine here in Arizona. What ST4 car are you running? Me and another guy here are discussing splitting a spec Miata for Nasa. On a weekend, Saturday I'll run TT, he runs Race, then Sunday we'll switch. I think it'll make me a better driver not being able to rely on power and should do well with it as everything will seem "slow motion".

[Arizona Vipers]

Here is the car- https://www.facebook.com/groups/166296706879416/?multi_permalinks=1996747753834293
I think you need to be a Facebook member of that group to see it.

[Emaguerra]

I've heard some stories about this TT being tested as the GT being the follow car. It's also no longer yellow either I hear.

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The guy is right about some stuff, but not others. Chassis was designed in England, etc. A lot of his sidebar facts were accurate. Saleen definitely helped PRODUCE (but not develop) the Ford GT. Fun fact: Rumor I was told is the one sent to magazines was underpullied to get better stats lol. However, the TT was not in response to the GT. We also didn't rush it. There were a zillion hours of tuning in it on the street. I think the problem was probably TT to TT comp version.

See pictures below. We used the Ford GT as a chase car for a while. The video is of me in an underpullied Saleen Mustang Extreme riding shotgun during testing. The S7 engine was first bolted up with turbos. It's running nearly zero PSI boost.

https://i.imgur.com/CwI9f2r.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/opBR9kT.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/cjHosd6.jpg

You can see the computer in the passenger seat of the S7 and maybe make out the fire extinghisher in the GT. You can see my Silverado in the background.

Video: https://youtu.be/Aq-rZZZQ6wM

It's also Sah-lean not "Say-lean"




I haven't got that far, but I'm with you. I dont have time to jack with bits and parts here and there. I want a turn key, 3 monitor with good steering wheel and pedals.

I've heard some stories about this TT being tested as the GT being the follow car. It's also no longer yellow either I hear

[Toxic]

Oh wow awesome! Will be great to meet you. Man you guys are legends, did you know Tim Jelle? He ran Narra etc, he's a friend of mine here in Arizona. What ST4 car are you running? Me and another guy here are discussing splitting a spec Miata for Nasa. On a weekend, Saturday I'll run TT, he runs Race, then Sunday we'll switch. I think it'll make me a better driver not being able to rely on power and should do well with it as everything will seem "slow motion".

Putting together a BRZ with aero, tuned on E-85 with a ton of suspension work. Still teething but I might not be able to carry the pace needed in 4. Considering dropping HP to put it in ST5 if I can't manage the pace. I'll know in the next 6 months. Agree, having gone to Spec Miata for a few years after running an ACR-X I felt like I could sip tea the whole time.....except for the 'bumps'. The trade off over a weekend seems like a good plan. I can't quite pull the trigger to go W2W in a Viper again. Thus the BRZ.

Can't say that I know Tim but I know the name. I believe we might have run a few together back in the day.

[Viperenvy]

The 72 miles on MSO sold for $299,500....


https://themarket.bonhams.com/us/listings/dodge-viper/gtc-acr-extreme-dealer-edition/ecfea4fd-ca95-4acd-8f26-c331f148e67b?status=live

[Policy Limits]

A hammer price of $299,500.00 is pretty solid. It was #11 of the Roanoke cars.

Any idea of the total cost once auction juice/fees were factored in?

[Viperenvy]

A hammer price of $299,500.00 is pretty solid. It was #11 of the Roanoke cars.

Any idea of the total cost once auction juice/fees were factored in?

Seller netted $294,500.

The 5% or $5,000 max is paid by seller.

[Policy Limits]

So 233% more than I paid. Pretty good, and in a short period of time. It will be interesting to see where they end up in the long run.

[ViperSRT]

And I expect the seller avoided sales tax (still on MSO means the tax man missed an opportunity) and probably will miss out on the capital gains as well. So a great investment, though via methods many would think as beneath them.

[Policy Limits]

I did a transfer registration and at the time had to debate the registrar as to whether or not my 15k manufacturer loyalty voucher should count as part of the sales price or not. I convinced them that as a rebate it did not so 7% sales tax was saved on the difference. Everything about the car has just been a win. Imagine if it ends up having seven figure value in the end...

[Arizona Vipers]

The 72 miles on MSO sold for $299,500....


https://themarket.bonhams.com/us/listings/dodge-viper/gtc-acr-extreme-dealer-edition/ecfea4fd-ca95-4acd-8f26-c331f148e67b?status=live

I thought it was going to bring way more. How many ACR's of any kind on MSO are and 70 miles are left? 2? 3? 4? This would have brought $300K before the insane inflation has taken over this last year. Inflation is so insane right now everything has basically doubled. When I saw my G63 was worth $70K more than I paid for it 3 years ago I was all excited to buy a Urus. Then I saw they are basically double MSRP new and used 2019's are $100K over new MSRP. Scary stuff going on

[Policy Limits]

Mclaren Philadelphia had a DE car listed for $300k not too long ago, not on MSO, with miles and it sold very quickly. There's no question that inflation is here, but these cars doubled in value for a different reason. My C8 is worth 10-20k more than I paid 1.5 years ago but that's not even close to 233% more.

[Arizona Vipers]

ZR-1's getting some love too- https://www.instagram.com/p/CYuJ64aFQNQ
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/2019-chevrolet-corvette-zr1-42/

[Scott_in_fl]

^^^ Yep, this has been going for a while now. I remember looking about 8 mos. ago and there were no manual shift late model ZR1's, with miles, under $180k.

[SnakeEyes]

And I expect the seller avoided sales tax (still on MSO means the tax man missed an opportunity) and probably will miss out on the capital gains as well. So a great investment, though via methods many would think as beneath them.

I get the reason why original owner would wanna keep it on MSO, but whats the pros and cons of buying a car on MSO (as a second owner)? Isn't it wiser to have a title on the car but not getting it titled if its an invest purchase?

[Arizona Vipers]

^^^ Yep, this has been going for a while now. I remember looking about 8 mos. ago and there were no manual shift late model ZR1's, with miles, under $180k.

What's crazy is the one that sold for $300K was automatic.