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Arizona Vipers
05-17-2021, 10:23 AM
Interesting color. I don't really like it. Would look better with black wheels imo-
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/2017-dodge-viper-gtc/

Lawineer
05-17-2021, 10:28 AM
That color is awful.

John19
05-17-2021, 10:45 AM
Yikes:eek: Of all the colors to choose from.....I am not a fan of this one at all, but to each his own.

Voice of Reason
05-17-2021, 10:52 AM
That’s an unusual color and the mileage is high-ish, it will be interesting to see what this brings.

camarochevy1970
05-17-2021, 11:17 AM
I kinda like the color, it is definitely unique

Lawineer
05-17-2021, 11:24 AM
That’s an unusual color and the mileage is high-ish, it will be interesting to see what this brings.

I'll guess $90k.

Maybe 95.

Pros: 2017 GTC with aero. Some carbon bits added.

Cons: Awful color, high mileage (why is this high mileage for a 4 year old car, lol), rock chips. Bubbling rear window tint?

Why do people by $100k sports cars and not PPF them? At least the front bumper. And why the heck didn't he fix the rear window issue? It's like $300 to get it tinted again.


Was the sticker instead of emblem a factory thing?

13COBRA
05-17-2021, 11:25 AM
I'll guess $90k.

... No way lol

SRT_BluByU
05-17-2021, 11:27 AM
I wouldnt call 13K miles high.. The color is surely unique.

Lawineer
05-17-2021, 11:30 AM
... No way lol

Maybe I'm wrong. I could see the color and miles being very off putting. Based on the $80k opening bid, I'd venture to guess I'm wrong.

13COBRA
05-17-2021, 11:33 AM
Maybe I'm wrong. I could see the color and miles being very off putting. Based on the $80k opening bid, I'd venture to guess I'm wrong.

I'd guess more in the $120k range.

GTS Dean
05-17-2021, 11:39 AM
Some green, maroon, or orangey accent colors might do wonders for it.

Arizona Vipers
05-17-2021, 11:41 AM
The guy actually had a good idea and meant well with this color, it's a really cool color on wheels, but it just didn't come out well on a Viper. It looks kind of feminine, kind of champagne almost. $300 black vinyl GTS stripes would make it look a million times better.

Arizona Vipers
05-17-2021, 11:47 AM
I'll guess $90k.

Maybe 95.

Pros: 2017 GTC with aero. Some carbon bits added.

Cons: Awful color, high mileage (why is this high mileage for a 4 year old car, lol), rock chips. Bubbling rear window tint?

Why do people by $100k sports cars and not PPF them? At least the front bumper. And why the heck didn't he fix the rear window issue? It's like $300 to get it tinted again.


Was the sticker instead of emblem a factory thing?

If it goes for under $100K I'll buy it as my turbo road racer build candidate. $6K to buy a 6 hole hood and $5K to paint it another color (non show quality obviously)
I can't find even 2013/2014's for under $100K

Voice of Reason
05-17-2021, 11:48 AM
I wouldnt call !#K miles high.. The color is surely unique.

I’d only call it high in terms of it not being a super low mile wrapper collector car. At least with 13k miles whoever buys it will get to enjoy the car and not worry about putting some more miles on it.

Lawineer
05-17-2021, 11:55 AM
The guy actually had a good idea and meant well with this color, it's a really cool color on wheels, but it just didn't come out well on a Viper. It looks kind of feminine, kind of champagne almost. $300 black vinyl GTS stripes would make it look a million times better.

I agree. It needs black wheels (or at least something darker), black stripes, smoked/black/tinted/something sidemarkers (or at least the front one) window tint and black calipers. Too much going on with the wheels that way, the red, the untinted windows, orange sidemarkers, etc

98intrigue
05-17-2021, 12:59 PM
I guess I'm the minority, but I love the color. I also need to comment that that's the best conditioned driver's seat with Laguna leather I've seen to date!

StrokerAce
05-17-2021, 01:00 PM
I'm with 98, I love that color. Needs some accent colored wheels though.

Scott_in_fl
05-17-2021, 02:59 PM
I understand that this color looks great IRL from those that have seen it. Final year, neat color, definitely unique, $120k.

USAFPILOT
05-17-2021, 03:24 PM
I wouldnt call !#K miles high.. The color is surely unique. shit 16K on my GT now, I hope that’s not considered high mileage. Not a musuem piece though. I prefer them
Driven to not.

swexlin
05-17-2021, 05:44 PM
If it goes for under $100K I'll buy it as my turbo road racer build candidate. $6K to buy a 6 hole hood and $5K to paint it another color (non show quality obviously)
I can't find even 2013/2014's for under $100K

I'd consider letting my 2013 Track Pack car go with 15,000 miles and a few rock chips, for the right price. Whatever the hell that is right now!

bibaboi
05-17-2021, 06:14 PM
Carbon fiber hood will look nice on this viper

Lawineer
05-17-2021, 06:54 PM
$85k already.

Dang. Anyone want to buy a black + gunmetal stripe 6800 mile GTS Lol! Already has sound deadening and high flow cats and only 300 miles on the tires!

Lawineer
05-17-2021, 06:56 PM
$85k already.

Dang. Anyone want to buy a near perfect 2013 black + gunmetal stripe 6800 mile GTS Lol! Already has sound deadening and high flow cats and only 300 miles on the tires! $120k!

IndyRon
05-17-2021, 07:18 PM
I've not seen too many ugly colors on Gen 5 cars, but they've definitely succeeded at finding one...:lol2:

gfviperman
05-17-2021, 08:31 PM
Photo probably does not do it justice ...

Arizona Vipers
05-17-2021, 08:34 PM
I'd consider letting my 2013 Track Pack car go with 15,000 miles and a few rock chips, for the right price. Whatever the hell that is right now!

How much?

John N
05-17-2021, 08:42 PM
I too really like the color, fell for it when seeing it on an ACR-E that I think Woodhouse had ordered (them or VE). I think it looks great in person, somewhat subdued and classy like silver. Never understood people beating down other peoples color choices, especially not having seen it in person. Color choice is a personal thing and to each their own. As for me, will never own another black car and I don’t like the murdered look at all, but I don’t recall ever running down someone’s car who chose that way. Their car, their choice.

ACRSNK
05-18-2021, 05:02 AM
Very cool color. I’m sure the car will do well. I believe GW also had a BM ACR-E.

ViperNC
05-18-2021, 07:44 AM
I'm going to go with the minority and say I like the color. Not enough to ever consider buying, but I like the color.

Cyabya
05-21-2021, 02:08 PM
iv seen a brass monkey acr-e in person and that color is beautiful. iv never seen a pic that makes it look as good as it does in person.

Voice of Reason
05-23-2021, 09:25 AM
$131.7k!!! OMG

AZTVR
05-23-2021, 12:19 PM
LOL at the color comments based on a 3 inch long car on a phone/computer display.

I have found that Vipers look much different in person, especially with the sun shining on them, no matter what color they are; and don't really care what they look like as displayed by a smartphone.

I do understand that there are a lot of Viper guys that buy by mail order, sight unseen; so, the screen displayed color probably is very important to them, rather than what it actually looks like in real life.

AAA96
05-24-2021, 12:50 PM
Anyone have any idea where I can get the black “Viper GT” emblem this has on it? I just took the chrome ones off my car and considering putting them back in black. Thanks

Lawineer
05-24-2021, 01:03 PM
Anyone have any idea where I can get the black “Viper GT” emblem this has on it? I just took the chrome ones off my car and considering putting them back in black. Thanks

I got GTS on one of the mopar parts sites for $15

AAA96
05-24-2021, 01:06 PM
I got GTS on one of the mopar parts sites for $15

Thanks! Link?

Lawineer
05-24-2021, 01:13 PM
https://www.moparpartsinc.com/p/Dodge__Viper/NAMEPLATE-GTS/78165440/1WS19DX8AA.html?partner=googlebase_adwords&kwd=&origin=pla&partnerDevice=c&userLocation=9026906&gclid=Cj0KCQjwna2FBhDPARIsACAEc_X8c9PUysqj5tu-T3am1_Ale-Vi316vmjquhfXA1lbjer5RxEZpfucaAsTQEALw_wcB

Now if someone can point me to the red steering wheel emblem, I'd appreciate it!

Lawineer
05-24-2021, 02:30 PM
I'll guess $90k.

Maybe 95.

Pros: 2017 GTC with aero. Some carbon bits added.

Cons: Awful color, high mileage (why is this high mileage for a 4 year old car, lol), rock chips. Bubbling rear window tint?

Why do people by $100k sports cars and not PPF them? At least the front bumper. And why the heck didn't he fix the rear window issue? It's like $300 to get it tinted again.

Was the sticker instead of emblem a factory thing?

Just missed it.

cashcorn
05-24-2021, 02:53 PM
Listing my 14 Billet Silver SRT, 5.7k miles on BAT, Optional Carbon Fiber Ext/Int, Upgraded leather Int. Added OEM Carbon Fiber cross brace & Stop Tec rotors. extended warranty 4/22, XPEL, ppf on bumper, full hood, rockers, mirrors & behind rear tires, No rock chips.. pics taken fri 5/21. should be up soon.. thanks, Greg 48008

Lawineer
05-24-2021, 03:10 PM
I'd like to think that would do well. Good luck!

Arizona Vipers
05-24-2021, 04:28 PM
Listing my 14 Billet Silver SRT, 5.7k miles on BAT, Optional Carbon Fiber Ext/Int, Upgraded leather Int. Added OEM Carbon Fiber cross brace & Stop Tec rotors. extended warranty 4/22, XPEL, ppf on bumper, full hood, rockers, mirrors & behind rear tires, No rock chips.. pics taken fri 5/21. should be up soon.. thanks, Greg

What are you going to replace it with?

AAA96
05-24-2021, 06:11 PM
What are you going to replace it with?

Cash in a bank account? Lol. It’s irreplaceable.

SRT_BluByU
05-24-2021, 06:27 PM
Do you think having it professional photographed helps?

Arizona Vipers
05-24-2021, 07:00 PM
Cash in a bank account? Lol. It’s irreplaceable.

Ahhhh. lol

cashcorn
05-24-2021, 07:14 PM
I'm a sucker for a profit.. lol. Would luv a 9L track beast, but at 61yr's. Preception & Reaction times are probably off 10-20%. who knows.. Always wanted a 62 vette roadster 327/360hp.. lol

AAA96
05-24-2021, 07:44 PM
I'm a sucker for a profit.. lol. Would luv a 9L track beast, but at 61yr's. Preception & Reaction times are probably off 10-20%. who knows.. Always wanted a 62 vette roadster 327/360hp.. lol

I respect that, but I think that if you look back 4-5 years from now, the value of the car is going to be much more.............or less haha

serpent
05-24-2021, 07:49 PM
Listing my 14 Billet Silver SRT, 5.7k miles on BAT, Optional Carbon Fiber Ext/Int, Upgraded leather Int. Added OEM Carbon Fiber cross brace & Stop Tec rotors. extended warranty 4/22, XPEL, ppf on bumper, full hood, rockers, mirrors & behind rear tires, No rock chips.. pics taken fri 5/21. should be up soon.. thanks, Greg 48008
List it on carsandbids, it will be the first Gen V on the site.

StrokerAce
05-24-2021, 09:20 PM
I still kick myself for not buying a left over Viper GTS, 2016 I believe, silver with black interior base GTS. $119k down to $89k. Damn it.

13COBRA
05-25-2021, 08:09 AM
$135k is a solid number for an 'off' color Viper. Prices keep on keeping on!

srtoad4
05-25-2021, 10:53 AM
Cashcorn, you'll probably get above $130k considering the low mileage, carbon fiber interior, and really nice upgrades/PPF/etc.

Lawineer
05-25-2021, 01:58 PM
$135k is a solid number for an 'off' color Viper. Prices keep on keeping on!

Yeah, I'd definitely take $135k. Upside isn't much- I doubt you'd get much more, if you did. Downside is BaT servers aren't exactly robust. I saw a GenV go relatively cheap and then two bidders in that auction comment the server didn't get their bids in.

Out of curriousity, any wild guesses what my '13 GTS, black w/ gunmetal stripes, sport package and 6800 miles is worth? Ceramic, PPF, carbon splitter and side skirts and added carbon interior bits. Has the wing which seems to be pretty polarizing. All else is well on the car (new tires, clean carfax, warranty, etc).

sonicbloo
05-25-2021, 02:17 PM
Downside is BaT servers aren't exactly robust. I saw a GenV go relatively cheap and then two bidders in that auction comment the server didn't get their bids in

I watched the final minutes of the brass monkey car, It was 2 seconds from selling at $131,777 when a $133,000 bid landed. The way it works is 2 minutes get added if a late bid comes in, so for the next 2 minutes it was selling for $133k, when with 2 seconds left another bid came in for $135,000......so another 2 minutes were added again.

Bidders can have no complaints about slow servers etc, if sniping at the very last second. Get your bid in a bit earlier !!!!!

Lawineer
05-25-2021, 02:29 PM
I watched the final minutes of the brass monkey car, It was 2 seconds from selling at $131,777 when a $133,000 bid landed. The way it works is 2 minutes get added if a late bid comes in, so for the next 2 minutes it was selling for $133k, when with 2 seconds left another bid came in for $135,000......so another 2 minutes were added again.

Bidders can have no complaints about slow servers etc, if sniping at the very last second. Get your bid in a bit earlier !!!!!

I know, but if they screw up in those last few seconds, and the bid doesn't get in at the last (literal) minute, it doesn't get in or add 2 minutes.

Comments on a GTS that went for $95k about a month ago:


Apr 7 at 8:26 PM
FamilyOfficeGuy This author's likes: 93
What a deal!

This comment's likes: 0 Flag as not constructiveApr 7 at 2:51 PM
John4C This author's likes: 1,542
Wow. Great buy! Congrats to the buyer. This was a bargain.

This comment's likes: 1 Flag as not constructiveApr 7 at 2:47 PM
joeconradt This author's likes: 2
Congrats man. My last bid didn’t work but that’s a banging deal

This comment's likes: 0 Flag as not constructiveApr 7 at 2:46 PM
rzivalic This author's likes: 107
Tried to bid again but my browser was not refreshed. Congrats.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/2013-dodge-viper-srt-11/

camarochevy1970
05-25-2021, 03:06 PM
you can't blame their servers for a browser refresh issue. I have bought cars on that site, and can tell you had two devices going just in case my browser went stupid on me

Lawineer
05-25-2021, 03:45 PM
you can't blame their servers for a browser refresh issue. I have bought cars on that site, and can tell you had two devices going just in case my browser went stupid on me

Lol what?

My point is, things happen and you might get a lot less. You can blame diligence or servers or whatever you want, but the bottom line is at least two (and likely more) bidders couldn't get their bids in due to technical problems and that seller lost out. I have no idea what you're trying to prove here.

If he can get $130k in an easy and simple transaction, he should take it rather than putting it on BaT hoping to get the same.

camarochevy1970
05-26-2021, 07:36 AM
Lol what?

My point is, things happen and you might get a lot less. You can blame diligence or servers or whatever you want, but the bottom line is at least two (and likely more) bidders couldn't get their bids in due to technical problems and that seller lost out. I have no idea what you're trying to prove here.

If he can get $130k in an easy and simple transaction, he should take it rather than putting it on BaT hoping to get the same.

Simmer down skippy. I'm just pointing out that a person web browser not auto refreshing, does not in itself indicate that the BAT server had an issue. Man you sure took that personally lol

Arizona Vipers
05-26-2021, 09:50 AM
No way a 2014 gets $130K plus. There's been 1 or 2 early cars that got close to that money, you have to get lucky and have two buyers that happen to both want a silver non stripe car.
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/2014-dodge-srt-viper-9/
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/2013-dodge-viper-srt-11/
I'm looking for a "cheap" car now and have 5+ I can buy for around $105K right now. Holding off for a red car.

StrokerAce
05-26-2021, 12:38 PM
No way a 2014 gets $130K plus. There's been 1 or 2 early cars that got close to that money, you have to get lucky and have two buyers that happen to both want a silver non stripe car.
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/2014-dodge-srt-viper-9/
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/2013-dodge-viper-srt-11/
I'm looking for a "cheap" car now and have 5+ I can buy for around $105K right now. Holding off for a red car.

I think you're correct. However, one had an accident (small but would keep me from even buying it) so it hurt the price and the other had a few folks that stated they had issues trying to bid. Neither would be $130k but both are probably lower than a no story car with under 10k miles.

Arizona Vipers
05-26-2021, 12:58 PM
I think you're correct. However, one had an accident (small but would keep me from even buying it) so it hurt the price and the other had a few folks that stated they had issues trying to bid. Neither would be $130k but both are probably lower than a no story car with under 10k miles.

The one with the accident is that 2017 that went for $107K, right? I wish I woulda bought that one.....
And if your car had the 6 hole hood I would have already bought it! It's gonna be at least $5K for a hood, $1K for shipping, installation etc.

StrokerAce
05-26-2021, 01:22 PM
The one with the accident is that 2017 that went for $107K, right? I wish I woulda bought that one.....
And if your car had the 6 hole hood I would have already bought it! It's gonna be at least $5K for a hood, $1K for shipping, installation etc.

I think white mirror Magee had an issue, too. I can't remember that '17. But I think you're correct.


But you're right, I don't think a normal 13/14 will bring the $130k range unless it's super low miles or some other special deal with it, maybe color or something, but I do believe $115-120k isn't out of the realm for a good, low mile, 13/14 car.

dsp300c
05-26-2021, 01:59 PM
The one with the accident is that 2017 that went for $107K, right? I wish I woulda bought that one.....
And if your car had the 6 hole hood I would have already bought it! It's gonna be at least $5K for a hood, $1K for shipping, installation etc.

have a local buddy selling this.

48054

dsp300c
05-26-2021, 06:02 PM
Or this one on fb with 6 vent hood

48056

Whiskey
05-27-2021, 08:16 AM
Lol for $120k I'd be really tempted to let my '14 GTS go.

Lawineer
05-27-2021, 09:00 AM
Lol for $120k I'd be really tempted to let my '14 GTS go.

Same. But what would I get that I want more? I'd end up having to spend $150 to get something I like just as much and 175k to get a car I would prefer over the Viper. I'm not spending $30k and going through that headache just to get a car I like just as much.

Arizona Vipers
05-27-2021, 09:06 AM
have a local buddy selling this.

48054

Two hole hood? I can't tell from the pics.

SRT_BluByU
05-27-2021, 09:38 AM
have a local buddy selling this.

48054

could be a great way to make an ACR-E. At that price you could add the $60k of aero, brake, and suspension upgrades.. sweet deal!

dsp300c
05-27-2021, 10:04 AM
Two hole hood? I can't tell from the pics.

yes. i saw you want a 6 vent hood. the other fb add i posted right after has a 6 vent hood for only $2k more but has more miles.

pMak26
05-27-2021, 01:28 PM
What would be a "cheap" car right now? Doesn't seem like any genV has been under $90k for a few years now.

Arizona Vipers
05-27-2021, 01:33 PM
What would be a "cheap" car right now? Doesn't seem like any genV has been under $90k for a few years now.

Yeah not going to find a low mile car under $90K now. I was trying to buy this, but I think it's sold- https://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-sale/vehicledetails.xhtml?listingId=578339714
$93K with 13K miles. 6 hole hood and has TA aero which I could have sold for a few grand too.

swexlin
05-27-2021, 05:53 PM
Yeah not going to find a low mile car under $90K now. I was trying to buy this, but I think it's sold- https://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-sale/vehicledetails.xhtml?listingId=578339714
$93K with 13K miles. 6 hole hood and has TA aero which I could have sold for a few grand too.

AZ - I'll PM you - I'm 99% ready, my car has 15,000 miles and warranty left. I'd let go for under 90.

StrokerAce
05-27-2021, 08:40 PM
AZ - I'll PM you - I'm 99% ready, my car has 15,000 miles and warranty left. I'd let go for under 90.

Hrm... How much under? :)

Whiskey
05-27-2021, 10:29 PM
Same. But what would I get that I want more? I'd end up having to spend $150 to get something I like just as much and 175k to get a car I would prefer over the Viper. I'm not spending $30k and going through that headache just to get a car I like just as much.

I have a buddy that will sell me his TT Lambo for 150k

Arizona Vipers
05-28-2021, 09:24 AM
AZ - I'll PM you - I'm 99% ready, my car has 15,000 miles and warranty left. I'd let go for under 90.

***SOLD*** Thanks for an awesome deal! Twin Turbo's here we come!

Loud
05-28-2021, 01:59 PM
***SOLD*** Thanks for an awesome deal! Twin Turbo's here we come!

Well done buddy. Who is building the twins? UMS?

Arizona Vipers
05-28-2021, 02:14 PM
Well done buddy. Who is building the twins? UMS?

Yeah. Just gonna go low power on stock motor at first and concentrate on cooling, take it to Apex and see how much power we can keep cool for a few laps at a time.

swexlin
05-28-2021, 05:19 PM
***SOLD*** Thanks for an awesome deal! Twin Turbo's here we come!

Nice doing business with you sir!

Murpowa
05-28-2021, 06:39 PM
Nice doing business with you sir!

Say it isn’t so! I had a suspicion that was yours when AZ posted up on Instagram.

What’s next?

cashcorn
05-28-2021, 06:44 PM
Could of put on bat for 100k..

swexlin
05-29-2021, 11:21 AM
Say it isn’t so! I had a suspicion that was yours when AZ posted up on Instagram.

What’s next?

Nothing for now. The main reason I sold is because I just don't have the time to drive it much. Would be the same with any car.

Arizona Vipers
05-30-2021, 11:57 AM
Could of put on bat for 100k..

Maybe, but it's a lot of work to sell a car on there. Those assholes constantly asking questions and videos and when you don't answer fast enough they call you out. Swexlin isn't in the car selling business, he's in the money business, time is money. This is why 99% of people with cars like ours just trade them in and be done with it. I'm going to be selling a few cars to pay for all this racing shit and want to try BAT, but I'm dreading the process.
If anyone is interested in the following let me know, I'll make them a good deal like Swexlin did for me!
'95 ZR1 black/red 2k miles
1986 560SL red, 20k miles mint
2018 Civic Type R
2014 Camaro head/scam z28 suspension/aero

ACRSNK
05-30-2021, 03:27 PM
Maybe, but it's a lot of work to sell a car on there. Those assholes constantly asking questions and videos and when you don't answer fast enough they call you out. Swexlin isn't in the car selling business, he's in the money business, time is money. This is why 99% of people with cars like ours just trade them in and be done with it. I'm going to be selling a few cars to pay for all this racing shit and want to try BAT, but I'm dreading the process.
If anyone is interested in the following let me know, I'll make them a good deal like Swexlin did for me!
'95 ZR1 black/red 2k miles
1986 560SL red, 20k miles mint
2018 Civic Type R
2014 Camaro head/scam z28 suspension/aero

I’m interested in the 95 ZR1. PM me what you are looking to get for the car as well as details. Thanks

StrokerAce
05-30-2021, 04:20 PM
Maybe, but it's a lot of work to sell a car on there. Those assholes constantly asking questions and videos and when you don't answer fast enough they call you out. Swexlin isn't in the car selling business, he's in the money business, time is money. This is why 99% of people with cars like ours just trade them in and be done with it. I'm going to be selling a few cars to pay for all this racing shit and want to try BAT, but I'm dreading the process.
If anyone is interested in the following let me know, I'll make them a good deal like Swexlin did for me!
'95 ZR1 black/red 2k miles
1986 560SL red, 20k miles mint
2018 Civic Type R
2014 Camaro head/scam z28 suspension/aero

Seriously? We could have worked a deal with the ZR1 towards trade on my Viper.

My desire is a black on black 1990 ZR1 with an early vin, as in first couple hundred. There is "folklore" that the early ones had some tweaks for press release that made them a little quicker but it's probably just that, folklore.

Arizona Vipers
05-30-2021, 09:08 PM
Seriously? We could have worked a deal with the ZR1 towards trade on my Viper.

My desire is a black on black 1990 ZR1 with an early vin, as in first couple hundred. There is "folklore" that the early ones had some tweaks for press release that made them a little quicker but it's probably just that, folklore.
hehe. My black/red is 1 of 4 built. And you might be on to something there, from all the magazine tests I saw, the later ZR1's with 25 more hp etc, were never any faster than the original ones.

StrokerAce
05-30-2021, 10:38 PM
hehe. My black/red is 1 of 4 built. And you might be on to something there, from all the magazine tests I saw, the later ZR1's with 25 more hp etc, were never any faster than the original ones.

They are just a cool car in general. GLWTS of yours. I have no space for it and probably out of my price range with still having the SS and the Viper.