red 2017 ACR E on BAT low mile

[John19]

New listing on BAT. This one will bring in some big $$$
I am guessing 250k+

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/2017-dodge-viper-acr-extreme-5/

[Voice of Reason]

“Solid Edition”. Lol

I hope it brings good money but those special editions that the one dealership made always make me lol.

[John19]

“Solid Edition”. Lol

I hope it brings good money but those special editions that the one dealership made always make me lol.

The seller is not really clear in his description about the "special edition" and could be misleading to someone who is not familiar with the real factory special edition cars. Either way it is a beautiful car and will bring serious cash.

[John19]

This car has been posted for 4 hours and is already at 200k...

[Policy Limits]

2017 ACR-E cars are the ones huh. I actually like adrenaline red paint better

[ACRSNK]

Not a huge fan of the color, but someone definitely likes it as it is already at $200K. Not too shabby!

[ViperNC]

I like that red, but I guess I'm biased.... I'll go $275K on this one.

[Scott_in_fl]

Now we're getting into some big money cars. This one is very, very good.

[BJG32]

I like that red, but I guess I'm biased.... I'll go $275K on this one.


Man, if it gets $275,000 and im going to start losing sleep over a decision I’ll have to make

[Patentlaw]

Love the color as well. Gonna go high.

[John19]

Here she is coming off the trailer at Gerry Wood.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3sA9UC2fo8k

[StrokerAce]

I shiver whenever I see a car back out and nothing to stop if from rolling off. I have wondered "If he had a sneezing fit and his foot slipped off the clutch while backing up would it balance on the rear bumper when it crashes to the ground?"

[John19]

With the big wing it probably would. hahaha

[Scott_in_fl]

Man, if it gets $275,000 and im going to start losing sleep over a decision I’ll have to make

There is no decision to make :) You keep it and see far more in the years to come.

I have to pinch myself to believe that a mainstream OEM like FCA actually offered the opportunity to create one off cars with 6,000+ colors to choose from. And the cost to do it was like $6,800, on a car with such a diminutive production run, and relatively few people took advantage of it.

I think you gotta' have diamond hands here and just Hodl for the long haul. Even if you have to shelve it at this point, you're sitting on an incredibly collectible automobile.

[RCR88]

256k

[PittsburghRT]

This ACR was recently acquired from a private owner in PA by a dealer that goes by CorvettesWanted on Instagram. He is out of Bedford, PA. The car was bought and immediately sold to the person in Arizona. I could be wrong, but the sellers username on Bring A Trailer sounds like a dealer, but it is listed as a private owner. I bet a lot of money have been made already with it switching hands. I inquired about the car as soon as he posted photos of him picking it up from the original owner in PA and I was told it was already sold. I'm going to guess it goes for $250k.

[13COBRA]

$247k.

[ViperNC]

That color red is almost identical to my GTC. At least now I know what it would look like as an ACR-E.

[Mccarlin]

Pretty cool color and 1 of 1 car, should fetch over 230K but not a huge fan of solid cars, Vipers need stripes :)

[13COBRA]

Pretty cool color and 1 of 1 car, should fetch over 230K but not a huge fan of solid cars, Vipers need stripes :)

Eh, I don't know.

I love the look of the TAs. I do prefer the drivers stripe on the ACRs, but I'm not a huge fan of the double stripes on any of them.

[senior racer]

When did the rear brake cooling ducts go away on the ACR-Es? Was it an order delete or did FCA just stop installing them? Or just never installed on the GTC cars?

[Lawineer]

Pretty cool color and 1 of 1 car, should fetch over 230K but not a huge fan of solid cars, Vipers need stripes :)

Vipers and Shelbys Cobras (like the originals) are about the only cars that look better with a stripe IMO.

[Pappy]

Pretty cool color and 1 of 1 car, should fetch over 230K but not a huge fan of solid cars, Vipers need stripes :)

My old brain prefers symmetry, so I specifically ordered mine without stripes.

47734

[StrokerAce]

In 2017 I was on the fence about having a Viper built to my own specs but in Ithaca, NY they had a silver 2016 GTS. Sticker was $119k and I could have had it for $89k. My parents even went up to look at it for me. Silver with black interior and beautiful. I just wasn't ready with everything going on in my life so I didn't pull the trigger nor did I have one built. I spent so much time on the website building various vipers and the vast majority had no stripes. Not a huge stripe kinda guy but on some variations it just fits. :)

[SRT_BluByU]

With these ACR-E prices it seems like the TA's are the bargin of the century right now..

[13COBRA]

With these ACR-E prices it seems like the TA's are the bargin of the century right now..

I haven't seen any TAs for sale recently... I've been looking.

[John19]

TA’s are a bargain for sure. But for how long? I think it will be a short lived bargain.

[John19]

BJ motors had a blue one a few weeks ago.

[13COBRA]

BJ motors had a blue one a few weeks ago.

Wow, I must have flat out missed it! I've been looking for 6-8 weeks.

[RT SERPENT]

When did the rear brake cooling ducts go away on the ACR-Es? Was it an order delete or did FCA just stop installing them? Or just never installed on the GTC cars?

As far as I know, all ACR-E's have the rear brake cooling ducts?

[RT SERPENT]

I'm a fan of stripes on an ACR, but wow this paint is gorgeous! I'll guess $260k

[housemouse]

Based on current markets, i bet we see 275+

[BJG32]

I don’t follow them close enough to know, but are gen 1 ford gt’s rapidly “increasing in value” these days (inflation)? What high end car values have remained status quo over the past year?

[ACRSNK]

I don’t follow them close enough to know, but are gen 1 ford gt’s rapidly “increasing in value” these days (inflation)? What high end car values have remained status quo over the past year?

Yes. Everything is up over the last year.

[ACRSNK]

I haven't seen any TAs for sale recently... I've been looking.

Check CarGurus. There is an OTA on there with 8K miles for $135K.

Have at it.

[senior racer]

As far as I know, all ACR-E's have the rear brake cooling ducts?

I just didn't see them in the pictures of the rear compartment on this car(I still don't). Maybe I'm due for new glasses.

[13COBRA]

Check CarGurus. There is an OTA on there with 8K miles for $135K.

Have at it.

Crazy, two years ago they were selling for $80k.

[SRT_BluByU]

All Vipers have the rear brake cooling ducts.

TA's even at $135 are a deal compared to these ACR-E's. Really seem to be the sweet spot right now.

Cars not appreciating - Alfa Romeo Guila Quadrafolio's seems to still be depreciating. F-Type Jags seem to be the same story.



Crazy, two years ago they were selling for $80k.

All the wonderful things we already know about Vipers are finally being discovered by the rest of the world. I was never of the opinion the marketing of these cars was reflective of the excellence of the cars themselves. But a secret doesnt stay a secret forever... These things are a dream!

[BSLSK]

Crazy, two years ago they were selling for $80k.

Some base SRT's were dipping in the mid-60's back then. It's an end of an era. Vipers are finally getting the appreciation they truly deserve.

[ViperJon]

I never would have imagined even breaking even three years later, never mind appreciating. Hope it holds up.

[Policy Limits]

Instinct had me calling it from jump street and I was definitely in the minority back then. Glad it went that way

[Brian GTS]

Jeez, with two ACR-E's in my garage, the prices these are fetching is making me consider dropping one.

[SRT_BluByU]

depending on the color I'd absolutly consider buying your extra ACR-E for $60k! :lol2:

[Fulltilt]

All Vipers have the rear brake cooling ducts.

TA's even at $135 are a deal compared to these ACR-E's. Really seem to be the sweet spot right now.

Cars not appreciating - Alfa Romeo Guila Quadrafolio's seems to still be depreciating. F-Type Jags seem to be the same story.




All the wonderful things we already know about Vipers are finally being discovered by the rest of the world. I was never of the opinion the marketing of these cars was reflective of the excellence of the cars themselves. But a secret doesnt stay a secret forever... These things are a dream!

I bought a 2014 Jag F-Type R with 10k for roughly $42k. A couple weeks ago one sold on BAT with 20k miles for +$50k. Same year twice the miles although it had a few more options. Was that a fluke? Not sure. It could be there are people like me who wouldn't buy the AWD model which limits you to 2014 and 2015. There aren't very many out there.

[ViperJon]

depending on the color I'd absolutly consider buying your extra ACR-E for $260k! :lol2:

Fair offer.

[ACRSNK]

Crazy, two years ago they were selling for $80k.

More like 4 years ago. By 2018 they were already into the $90’s. By 2019 the nice ones were over $100K. Now apparently they are much more than that. I actually almost bought the one that is currently for sale for $135K back in 2016 from the original owner who lived in NH. He wanted $74K for it, but someone out of PA, I believe a dealer beat me to it. As I recall there was an issue that came up on the CarFax when he damaged a wheel and had it replaced through his insurance.

The best deal was the H/C OTA that sold for $79K. I believe that car was eventually totaled and rebuilt by one of those YouTube channel people.

[ViperJon]

The best deal was the H/C OTA that sold for $79K. I believe that car was eventually totaled and rebuilt by one of those YouTube channel people.

That was my Orange TA #33 sold and resold a few times till it got wrecked and rebuilt by the Goonsquad boys. People were scared of it because of the number of owners and the motor work done by the next owner. I loved that car but then got enamored with a Tri-color ACR-E Tomball had and traded it in to them.

[ACRSNK]

That was a sick TA!

[Whiskey]

I'd say the GTS is the bargain right now. By far the best interior of all gen5's and priced at the same or less than a TA, toss in the fact that on the street you will not see a performance difference unless minor 24" distance between 50-150 is huge anyway.

[13COBRA]

I'd say the GTS is the bargain right now. By far the best interior of all gen5's and priced at the same or less than a TA, toss in the fact that on the street you will not see a performance difference unless a 5ft distance between 50-150 is huge anyway.

Bargain, maybe. But a GTS is not a TA.

I wouldn't be cross-shopping them.

[Whiskey]

Bargain, maybe. But a GTS is not a TA.

I wouldn't be cross-shopping them.

Even at a track with a minor sway bar swap a typical novice will pull lap times that virtually identical. Maybe 0.3-0.5sec/lap on a med sized track.

[StrokerAce]

Bargain, maybe. But a GTS is not a TA.

I wouldn't be cross-shopping them.

If I was to leave stock? Absolute go with the TA but I have modified almost every car I've owned. If I am able to modify with better than stock parts for less than buying the next performance versions up I generally go that route. Granted it still isn't a TA.

This isn't because I have a GTS, I was going to buy any Gen V that met my various criteria.

[13COBRA]

Even at a track with a minor sway bar swap a typical novice will pull lap times that virtually identical. Maybe 0.3-0.5sec/lap on a med sized track.

It's still not a TA...


If I was to leave stock? Absolute go with the TA but I have modified almost every car I've owned. If I am able to modify with better than stock parts for less than buying the next performance versions up I generally go that route. Granted it still isn't a TA.

This isn't because I have a GTS, I was going to buy any Gen V that met my various criteria.

I don't disagree with you.

[Whiskey]

It's still not a TA...

TA isn't that great. It's the Z51 suspension package of the Viper world. That pretty much puts it into perspective.

[commandomatt]

TA isn't that great. It's the Z51 suspension package of the Viper world. That pretty much puts it into perspective.

....but what about those stickers ?? Surely they play a part as well.

[Policy Limits]

Yes. Aesthetic & functional. Funny. But they really did change the Stryker logo to a decal to save as much weight as possible lol. They whipped that car up in a hurry when a previous generation ZR1 was performing better. But then the ACR Extreme crushed them all...

[Bryan Savage]

When did the rear brake cooling ducts go away on the ACR-Es? Was it an order delete or did FCA just stop installing them? Or just never installed on the GTC cars?


As far as I know, all ACR-E's have the rear brake cooling ducts?


I just didn't see them in the pictures of the rear compartment on this car(I still don't). Maybe I'm due for new glasses.


All Vipers have the rear brake cooling ducts.

Prepare for another argument...

This car is a GTC with the ACR and Extreme Aero packages. It is not a "real" ACR.

Real ACR cars have a "C" as the seventh digit in the VIN. GTC cars have a "D". The ACR cars come with "Delete Speakers" and "Delete Rear Cargo Floor Covering" line items, exposing the rear brake ducting that all Gen V cars have. It's just covered up with the normal interior.

As stated, Gerry Wood bought up a bunch of the last 1-of-1 cars and basically checked every option box. They're pretty cool, but they're not a special edition the way the Dealer Edition cars were a special edition.

Still a cool car and cool color, and a good purchase for someone's showroom.

[serpent]

Whats the highest an ACR-E has sold for?

[Patentlaw]

I bought a 2014 Jag F-Type R with 10k for roughly $42k. A couple weeks ago one sold on BAT with 20k miles for +$50k. Same year twice the miles although it had a few more options. Was that a fluke? Not sure. It could be there are people like me who wouldn't buy the AWD model which limits you to 2014 and 2015. There aren't very many out there.


You did your homework. The 2014 RWD model is the one to get. No nannies. RWD. Don't let the dealer apply any software updates to "quiet" the sound of the car. Specifically ask that it not be done. The are appreciating in value. Heck.....even XKs are holding their value.

Some F Types were 1 of 1. You start getting into rare colors and verts......prices go up lots. List of rarity on one of the Jag forums. Pretty interesting.

[Ronin47]

Whats the highest an ACR-E has sold for?
280k if i remember correctly.

[SRT_BluByU]

TA isn't that great. It's the Z51 suspension package of the Viper world. That pretty much puts it into perspective.

I think the track record at Laguna Seca the TA established when it came out would disagree with that opinion. But ya know the old adage of opinions and belly buttons.... :)

[Scott_in_fl]

Looks like this car is currently bidding $220k with 6 hours to go. This could get very interesting.

[Meowzee]

Prepare for another argument...

This car is a GTC with the ACR and Extreme Aero packages. It is not a "real" ACR.

Real ACR cars have a "C" as the seventh digit in the VIN. GTC cars have a "D". The ACR cars come with "Delete Speakers" and "Delete Rear Cargo Floor Covering" line items, exposing the rear brake ducting that all Gen V cars have. It's just covered up with the normal interior.

As stated, Gerry Wood bought up a bunch of the last 1-of-1 cars and basically checked every option box. They're pretty cool, but they're not a special edition the way the Dealer Edition cars were a special edition.

Still a cool car and cool color, and a good purchase for someone's showroom.

So if we go by what you are saying then this would be a true ACR since the 7th digit is a “C”. If thats the case why the GTC’s with ACR and extreme package demand higher premium?

https://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-sale/vehicledetails.xhtml?listingId=565620596&zip=46307&referrer=%2Fcars-for-sale%2Fsearchresults.xhtml%3Fzip%3D46307%26city%3D Crown%2BPoint%26startYear%3D2005%26incremental%3Da ll%26modelCodeList%3DVIPER%26makeCodeList%3DDODGE% 26sortBy%3Drelevance%26location%3D%255Bobject%2BOb ject%255D%26state%3DIN%26firstRecord%3D0%26marketE xtension%3Dinclude%26relevanceConfig%3Ddefault%26s earchRadius%3D0%26isNewSearch%3Dfalse&startYear=2005&numRecords=25&firstRecord=0&modelCodeList=VIPER&makeCodeList=DODGE&searchRadius=0&clickType=spotlight

[Scott_in_fl]

Meowzee, Bryan is just messing with you. The car that is the topic of this thread is a "D" VIN, which is the GTC. And you are correct that the GTC's have thus far been outpricing the non-GTC cars on resale by a measurable margin, which means that the "real ACR" argument has no merit. I don't expect that to change in the future.

[RCR88]

Starting to think my guess of 256k is not going to be high enough.

[ViperNC]

I've been on a roll lately guessing BaT Viper auctions. C'mon $275K!

[RT SERPENT]

I've been on a roll lately guessing BaT Viper auctions. C'mon $275K!
LOL!! Awesome:dude3: This is like watching the Kentucky Derby!

[Whiskey]

Meowzee, Bryan is just messing with you. The car that is the topic of this thread is a "D" VIN, which is the GTC. And you are correct that the GTC's have thus far been outpricing the non-GTC cars on resale by a measurable margin, which means that the "real ACR" argument has no merit. I don't expect that to change in the future.

Perhaps a GTC that has GTS Laguna interior coupled with the ACR-E aero then mix in a one-of-one color combo...is the most sought after? If I was looking to collect a Viper...that would be what I wanted.

[Pappy]

Meowzee, Bryan is just messing with you. The car that is the topic of this thread is a "D" VIN, which is the GTC. And you are correct that the GTC's have thus far been outpricing the non-GTC cars on resale by a measurable margin, which means that the "real ACR" argument has no merit. I don't expect that to change in the future.

"Measurable margin"? I'm not sure $185K (BAT) for a 10,000 mile 2016 Bondurant ACR and $269.5K for the silver 2016 ACR (BJ) is exactly getting "outpriced" by the GTC cars. Some of the SEs are truly special and in a class of their own, and the 1-of-1 cars were certainly more valuable to the one that ordered them - and perhaps to other individuals with similar tastes.

[Scott_in_fl]

Perhaps a GTC that has GTS Laguna interior coupled with the ACR-E aero then mix in a one-of-one color combo...is the most sought after? If I was looking to collect a Viper...that would be what I wanted.

Yeah, those odd combinations are pretty neat and obviously very, very unique. Big dollars for those cars going forward.


"Measurable margin"? I'm not sure $185K (BAT) for a 10,000 mile 2016 Bondurant ACR and $269.5K for the silver 2016 ACR (BJ) is exactly getting "outpriced" by the GTC cars. Some of the SEs are truly special and in a class of their own, and the 1-of-1 cars were certainly more valuable to the one that ordered them - and perhaps to other individuals with similar tastes.

Pappy, I agree that the numbers are what they are. If they show that the "C" VINs are re-selling for more than the "D" VINs, then I stand corrected. I did not believe that to be the case.

[13COBRA]

Will there be a last minute spike or not...

[jwalk]

Nope

[Bryan Savage]

So if we go by what you are saying then this would be a true ACR since the 7th digit is a “C”. If thats the case why the GTC’s with ACR and extreme package demand higher premium?

https://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-sale/vehicledetails.xhtml?listingId=565620596&zip=46307&referrer=%2Fcars-for-sale%2Fsearchresults.xhtml%3Fzip%3D46307%26city%3D Crown%2BPoint%26startYear%3D2005%26incremental%3Da ll%26modelCodeList%3DVIPER%26makeCodeList%3DDODGE% 26sortBy%3Drelevance%26location%3D%255Bobject%2BOb ject%255D%26state%3DIN%26firstRecord%3D0%26marketE xtension%3Dinclude%26relevanceConfig%3Ddefault%26s earchRadius%3D0%26isNewSearch%3Dfalse&startYear=2005&numRecords=25&firstRecord=0&modelCodeList=VIPER&makeCodeList=DODGE&searchRadius=0&clickType=spotlight

Clearly, there's not a lot of people that care about having a "real" ACR. I don't think the GTC ACRs suffer any performance, for as far as I know, there are no differences in aero, gearbox, suspension, or engine. The fact that you could have all of the performance but also have all of the comfort too by ordering a GTC ACR could explain why, for now, they may command a higher premium.


Meowzee, Bryan is just messing with you. The car that is the topic of this thread is a "D" VIN, which is the GTC. And you are correct that the GTC's have thus far been outpricing the non-GTC cars on resale by a measurable margin, which means that the "real ACR" argument has no merit. I don't expect that to change in the future.

It's an interesting discussion. In the long game, I think the purest, highest-performing, car with the fewest option boxes checked will likely command a higher premium. If the goal is rarity and true performance, the barest-bones ACR-E will be the most valued car in the long run. Dodge didn't set the track records with a GTC. Looking at the options checked on a lot of the GTCs, the only record up for grabs here was who could have the highest-priced car.

Historically, a super low-production volume car, or an accidental factory one-off or screw-up, were usually the most desired cars decades later. When every car is a one-of-one, there are so many ones-of-one that I think only a few cars will end up truly special. The Viper is only out of print for four years after all. Let's see what happens in thirty years.

[Scott_in_fl]

^^^ Excellent analysis.

Yes, there is a good argument for the bare bones "racers" to be the eventual holy grail but only time will tell as the current trend would need to change.

[Policy Limits]

2017 models will command higher values than 2016 ones. GTC ACR-E SE cars are and will remain King Snakes. I've been predicting this since summer of 2016, nearly 1/2 decade ago in solidarity. Just think of how laughable it sounds now to picture one selling for less than 200k. That wasn't the sentiment when they debuted. The naysayers opined that they just had different paint and that they were contrived as special. Turns out they were labeled special by the manufacturer for a reason.

[13COBRA]

I think the purest, highest-performing, car with the fewest option boxes checked will likely command a higher premium.

Yep, that's why I'm keeping my Comp Coupe ;)

[Pappy]

It's an interesting discussion. In the long game, I think the purest, highest-performing, car with the fewest option boxes checked will likely command a higher premium. If the goal is rarity and true performance, the barest-bones ACR-E will be the most valued car in the long run. Dodge didn't set the track records with a GTC. Looking at the options checked on a lot of the GTCs, the only record up for grabs here was who could have the highest-priced car.

Historically, a super low-production volume car, or an accidental factory one-off or screw-up, were usually the most desired cars decades later. When every car is a one-of-one, there are so many ones-of-one that I think only a few cars will end up truly special. The Viper is only out of print for four years after all. Let's see what happens in thirty years.

Don't know if this has any significance, but I have a 10 yr-old Z06 with the Z07 and carbon packages of which they made less than 300 in 2011. I ordered it as a base 1lz interior (no nav, no power seats, etc.) and with only the CCBs and the lighter carbon fiber package - weighs less than 3100 lbs. It is very low mileage and for 9+ years it rocked along at 50-60% of MSRP value. Within the last 3 months I have two unsolicited offers for over its original $90K MSRP, and a nearly identical car just sold for over $100K. While it is not on par with a Gen V Viper, this could show a trend for higher prices for a low option, low mileage purist car - or it could just be the current economy driving the market. Beware the bubble... or inflation that just means you pay more as time goes on.

Pappy

[ACRSNK]

Multiple Carbon Edition Z06’s sold in BaT recently, none of which were $100K. Some way less. There were also a couple on the Corvette Forum that sold recently in the $60’s. Nice car, but I would still take a Gen V Viper over it all day.

[Patentlaw]

Don't know if this has any significance, but I have a 10 yr-old Z06 with the Z07 and carbon packages of which they made less than 300 in 2011. I ordered it as a base 1lz interior (no nav, no power seats, etc.) and with only the CCBs and the lighter carbon fiber package - weighs less than 3100 lbs. It is very low mileage and for 9+ years it rocked along at 50-60% of MSRP value. Within the last 3 months I have two unsolicited offers for over its original $90K MSRP, and a nearly identical car just sold for over $100K. While it is not on par with a Gen V Viper, this could show a trend for higher prices for a low option, low mileage purist car - or it could just be the current economy driving the market. Beware the bubble... or inflation that just means you pay more as time goes on.

Pappy

Interesting analysis.

[Bruce H.]

Even at a track with a minor sway bar swap a typical novice will pull lap times that virtually identical. Maybe 0.3-0.5sec/lap on a med sized track.

Hey, that can be the difference between 1st and last place! For somebody that can track at the limit an important difference is the heavier TA brakes. And full leather seats for a tracked car?...yikes!

[Lawineer]

Even at a track with a minor sway bar swap a typical novice will pull lap times that virtually identical. Maybe 0.3-0.5sec/lap on a med sized track.

I doubt a sway bar swap would make that sort of difference for a pro. It won’t make any difference for a novice in a 640hp car.

[Bryan Savage]

Don't know if this has any significance, but I have a 10 yr-old Z06 with the Z07 and carbon packages of which they made less than 300 in 2011. I ordered it as a base 1lz interior (no nav, no power seats, etc.) and with only the CCBs and the lighter carbon fiber package - weighs less than 3100 lbs. It is very low mileage and for 9+ years it rocked along at 50-60% of MSRP value. Within the last 3 months I have two unsolicited offers for over its original $90K MSRP, and a nearly identical car just sold for over $100K. While it is not on par with a Gen V Viper, this could show a trend for higher prices for a low option, low mileage purist car - or it could just be the current economy driving the market. Beware the bubble... or inflation that just means you pay more as time goes on.

Pappy

That's really cool! Good for you for hanging on to it. Sounds like a super specific option combo and I'm glad to hear there's at least two people out there who appreciate what the car is.

After our trip to Bondurant a few years ago, my brother traded his Mustang GT to Bill Pemberton for a no-option, manual gearbox, widebody Challenger Hellcat. He waited like, six months for that car. I told him to hang on to it, as it's probably the only one.

Then, that douchebag brother of mine traded it in on a Dual-Motor Tesla Model 3. His wife was scared of the Hellcat, and he barely drove it as a result. I wished he'd told me about what he was thinking, because I would have found a way to buy it from him. LOL I would love that Hellcat to triple in value sometime in the future so I could rub it in his dumb face. :D

[Lawineer]

That's really cool! Good for you for hanging on to it. Sounds like a super specific option combo and I'm glad to hear there's at least two people out there who appreciate what the car is.

After our trip to Bondurant a few years ago, my brother traded his Mustang GT to Bill Pemberton for a no-option, manual gearbox, widebody Challenger Hellcat. He waited like, six months for that car. I told him to hang on to it, as it's probably the only one.

Then, that douchebag brother of mine traded it in on a Dual-Motor Tesla Model 3. His wife was scared of the Hellcat, and he barely drove it as a result. I wished he'd told me about what he was thinking, because I would have found a way to buy it from him. LOL I would love that Hellcat to triple in value sometime in the future so I could rub it in his dumb face. :D

I thought that was a feature, not a bug.

My GF won't admit it, but she hates my Viper. I love it more for that.

[StrokerAce]

I thought that was a feature, not a bug.

My GF won't admit it, but she hates my Viper. I love it more for that.

Mine has ridden in the SS twice in almost 3 years. She has never ridden in the Viper in a year+. She has driven my truck twice for a total of maybe 5 miles in the 3+ years I have owned it. Haha

She says the Camaro is too loud and stinky. The Viper is too flashy and the truck is 'old man like'.

[PkB2014]

CPI report today shows used cars up 10% in April. Probably temporary, but i suspect Viper prices will stay higher than the average for a while.

[commandomatt]

Mine has ridden in the SS twice in almost 3 years. She has never ridden in the Viper in a year+. She has driven my truck twice for a total of maybe 5 miles in the 3+ years I have owned it. Haha

She says the Camaro is too loud and stinky. The Viper is too flashy and the truck is 'old man like'.

What does she drive ......a Camry ??

[Racingswh]

You guys are funny. I have been fortunate in my life to find someone who likes cars that in her words are "loud and scary".

This is my Wife. She's 50.

This is her car.

This is her driving it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6JfujsfLiHg&t=1s

The beauty of her car is I was happy to cut it up and add all the safety stuff to it for her. I could not bring myself to do that to the ACR-E with valuations being what they are now.

[Scott_in_fl]

^^^ C'mon. At least be honest with us. That photo of your wife was taken when she was 35 :)

Seriously, I'll take a copy of her diet if she's willing to share.

[StrokerAce]

What does she drive ......a Camry ??

Close! Honda Pilot. I hate that damn thing.

[RT SERPENT]

Ha! I once took a 2018 Camry XSE to a track day! (300 HP and "sport" suspension)
That was interesting, fun, and scary all at the same time. lol!

It was actually better than I expected, with the exception of brakes that should never be used on a track.
Camry: Not just your "beige" or "light beige" car anymore.:lol2:

Sorry, wayyyy off topic. My bad.:t1207:

[usmcfieldmp]

The Viper is too flashy

Haha, that's what my girlfriend likes about my Viper. She enjoyed dropping it into casual conversations soon after I bought it - "Nothing much planned this weekend, other than riding around in my boyfriend's Viper."


You guys are funny. I have been fortunate in my life to find someone who likes cars that in her words are "loud and scary".

This is my Wife. She's 50.

This is her car.

This is her driving it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6JfujsfLiHg&t=1s

The beauty of her car is I was happy to cut it up and add all the safety stuff to it for her. I could not bring myself to do that to the ACR-E with valuations being what they are now.

Now that's a conversation winner, haha.

I thought I was lucky when, after I did my initial PPI, I asked my GF what she thought of the Viper and she responded, "Gorgeous! I don't know why you WOULDN'T buy that car!" But she's definitely not a fan of rapid acceleration combined with speeds over 80.

But, she supports my racing addiction (bought me an OMP WRC-R racing seat for Christmas!), goes to track days and helps out, lends a hand in the garage from time to time, and actually bought me my first ride/drive/laps in a Ferrari and a Viper (DriveXotic at MSR Cresson) for b-day and v-day. A person can't ask for much more.

Her "Mo' Powa Baby!" Face, haha.
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[Lawineer]

Ha! I once took a 2018 Camry XSE to a track day! (300 HP and "sport" suspension)
That was interesting, fun, and scary all at the same time. lol!

It was actually better than I expected, with the exception of brakes that should never be used on a track.
Camry: Not just your "beige" or "light beige" car anymore.:lol2:

Sorry, wayyyy off topic. My bad.:t1207:

Front wheel drive on a track with any elevation changes is scary. Especially if the suspension is meant for the street. I hate it.

[Racingswh]

^^^ C'mon. At least be honest with us. That photo of your wife was taken when she was 35 :)

Seriously, I'll take a copy of her diet if she's willing to share.

Nah, current pic. :) For her it's not diet it's purely genetics.

She has always liked the ACR-E for not only how quick it gets around but also how planted and secure the car feels. The sentiment at our house is that Vipers are about as incredible as cars get. She doesn't like many cars other than Vipers and Corvettes.




Now that's a conversation winner, haha.

I thought I was lucky when, after I did my initial PPI, I asked my GF what she thought of the Viper and she responded, "Gorgeous! I don't know why you WOULDN'T buy that car!" But she's definitely not a fan of rapid acceleration combined with speeds over 80.

But, she supports my racing addiction (bought me an OMP WRC-R racing seat for Christmas!), goes to track days and helps out, lends a hand in the garage from time to time, and actually bought me my first ride/drive/laps in a Ferrari and a Viper (DriveXotic at MSR Cresson) for b-day and v-day. A person can't ask for much more.



Definitely cool when your significant other is supportive of your hobbies and interests. Even better when you tell them you're thinking of getting a Viper and they are right there with you in agreement that you should!! Very cool!!

We all have been fortunate to have acquired these cars. The bump in valuation has been a bonus.

[StrokerAce]

Haha, that's what my girlfriend likes about my Viper. She enjoyed dropping it into casual conversations soon after I bought it - "Nothing much planned this weekend, other than riding around in my boyfriend's Viper."


Not mine. I had a brand new NRBM C6 when I met her. I never mentioned it for weeks till I showed up at her house with it. The expression on her face said it all. Not impressed at all. When she came home one day and the Viper was in the garage she gave it one look for 2 seconds and that was that.

[ViperJon]

220K. Good number, not great.

[13COBRA]

220K. Good number, not great.

Isn't it crazy to think that we're saying this about a car that just sold (without fees) for:

* $70,920 over MSRP?
* 48% over MSRP?

[Scott_in_fl]

Isn't it crazy to think that we're saying this about a car that just sold (without fees) for:

* $70,920 over MSRP?
* 48% over MSRP?

LOL, good point! We've all become a bit conditioned lately to see ever escalating prices on these sorts of things.... and houses, and stocks, and crypto, etc., etc. But it's a false reality to assume it just keeps going forever.

What really happens is that prices take a breather for a bit, by sliding backwards somewhat and finding a new base to build from. It would appear that this latest purchase is indicative of that correction. A few months ago and this car likely would have pulled $250k-$270k, the consensus of most of us on this thread.

The eventual $220k number is actually still very good as Jon and 13Cobra point out. Maybe we see the ads start slowing for now as sellers return their cars back to mothballs until the next run-up is upon us. That could be next month, or 6 months from now.

[ViperNC]

You guys are funny. I have been fortunate in my life to find someone who likes cars that in her words are "loud and scary".

This is my Wife. She's 50.

This is her car.

This is her driving it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6JfujsfLiHg&t=1s

The beauty of her car is I was happy to cut it up and add all the safety stuff to it for her. I could not bring myself to do that to the ACR-E with valuations being what they are now.

Life is good. My wife (who will be 50 later this month) enjoys driving my Cobra, but is afraid to drive the Viper although she likes riding in it. She drives up behind me at local car events stealing all the attention with our Boxer right beside her.
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[13COBRA]

LOL, good point! We've all become a bit conditioned lately to see ever escalating prices on these sorts of things.... and houses, and stocks, and crypto, etc., etc. But it's a false reality to assume it just keeps going forever.

What really happens is that prices take a breather for a bit, by sliding backwards somewhat and finding a new base to build from. It would appear that this latest purchase is indicative of that correction. A few months ago and this car likely would have pulled $250k-$270k, the consensus of most of us on this thread.

The eventual $220k number is actually still very good as Jon and 13Cobra point out. Maybe we see the ads start slowing for now as sellers return their cars back to mothballs until the next run-up is upon us. That could be next month, or 6 months from now.

I think if this car were a more desirable color combination, it would've brought the $25k+ range.

[commandomatt]

Isn't it crazy to think that we're saying this about a car that just sold (without fees) for:

* $70,920 over MSRP?
* 48% over MSRP?

....and this only 4 years later

[commandomatt]

While price was good, a couple of things made a difference

Those that know the history also know that the ‘solid edition’ is just something a dealer made up and does in fact not add any value unlike the real special edition cars

The 1 of 1’s can be a hit, miss or something in between. I think this falls in between as the color is one that doesn’t appeal to everyone.

I think these things may have prevented it from getting top dollar.

[Policy Limits]

Isn't it crazy to think that we're saying this about a car that just sold (without fees) for:

* $70,920 over MSRP?
* 48% over MSRP?

Yup and it wasn't an authentic special edition, had a so-so color combo as pointed out by others. Now that these machines are clearly over the 200k mark, it will be interesting to see when they will break 300k. If history is an indicator, it shouldn't be long at all.

[Racingswh]

Life is good. My wife (who will be 50 later this month) enjoys driving my Cobra, but is afraid to drive the Viper although she likes riding in it. She drives up behind me at local car events stealing all the attention with our Boxer right beside her.

Such beautiful cars and fantastic that you and your Wife enjoy them together. I love Cobras and have wanted one for quite some time. Happen to really like the color combination on yours.

I have spent some time on the track and off driving a Superformance Cobra with a 615 hp Roush engine in it. I was shocked at how well it put down power. Fun cars!!

Hope you both continue to enjoy those cars together for many years!

[ViperJon]

It just wasn't a "beautiful" red IMO....it was different certainly but not "beautiful". I think Dodge's Viper red is truly beautiful.

[Scott_in_fl]

While price was good, a couple of things made a difference

Those that know the history also know that the ‘solid edition’ is just something a dealer made up and does in fact not add any value unlike the real special edition cars

The 1 of 1’s can be a hit, miss or something in between. I think this falls in between as the color is one that doesn’t appeal to everyone.

I think these things may have prevented it from getting top dollar.

I agree. The burgundy red colors are not for everyone (I almost bought a Long Beach Red metallic Z06 years ago because I thought it looked great, but my wife couldn't stand it). At first, when I read that it was "Candy Apple Red", I thought that should be terrific. But the photos seemed to show a color that had a rust tone to it, as opposed to a very "clean" red base that you would find a true candy red. I believe it was OneViperBite that nailed the color properly -- a gorgeous 1-of-1 that looked as good as the Stryker colors. This BaT car was missing the "pop", or at least the photos did not seem to present the color as well as they could have.

So I'll also put it into the category of good 1-of-1's, but not terrific. The terrific ones are still the Stryker colors, and some other unusually beautiful combinations. But those cars never come up for sale.

[CarbonDan]

This one could fetch a decent number, probably would be a good 10% higher if they took those ridiculous decals off!
https://www.bentleygoldcoast.com/2017-dodge-viper-gtc-c-9193.htm

[13COBRA]

This one could fetch a decent number, probably would be a good 10% higher if they took those ridiculous decals off!
https://www.bentleygoldcoast.com/2017-dodge-viper-gtc-c-9193.htm

"Custom"..

What I mean by custom is...the vinyl stickers on the side lol

[Scott_in_fl]

^^^ Not understanding that one either. Is this a US car?

[catwood]

^^^ Not understanding that one either. Is this a US car?

shows Iowa.

[ACRSNK]

This one could fetch a decent number, probably would be a good 10% higher if they took those ridiculous decals off!
https://www.bentleygoldcoast.com/2017-dodge-viper-gtc-c-9193.htm

That car is gorgeous!

[ViperJon]

Other than the cheesy decals and faux carbon fiber dash surrounds not getting the "custom" part.

[Lawineer]

I cringe at the word "custom" for just about every single consumer good, but especially cars. It usually means "trashy modifications." It never seems to mean "expensive coilovers, big brake kit and upgraded powertrain cooling systems."

I dont even understand why it's advertised as "custom." That means it was specifically made for a person that isn't you. My suit is custom made to my measurements with a quote I want monogramed on the inside (I always put famous people's last words). My next house will be custom made with a 2000sqft garage and a rooftop office (because I want a skyline view) and a small yard because I have no kids. While it's worth a lot more to me, it's probably worth a lot less to you. What the heck makes you think anyone else wants your "custom" mods.

I guess my car is "custom" since I added carbon bits, swapped out shifters, added high flow cats and sound damping. $150k. No low ballers. It's custom.

[Bryan Savage]

Deduct $20,000 because of those vomitous decals.

...what if they were painted on???? Deduct $100,000.