Toyo R888R Tires

[Sniper]

I love the look of these tires but the one thing I don’t like is they’re only available in 345/30R19 and not 355/30R19.
Anyone have any input on size, handling, looks, pics compared to stock tires?



Jon, I corrected size in this post

[BlueSnake44]

I love the look of these tires but the one thing I don

The anticipation is killing me, finish the sentence!!

[Sniper]

LOL don’t know why when I saved, it didn’t save whole post...

[JonB ~ PartsRack]

Certainly -not- viper sizes... Typo ???

[quote=sniper;407564] I love the look of these tires but the one thing I don’t like is they’re only available in 245/30R19 and not 255/30R19. Anyone have any input on size, handling, looks, pics compared to stock tires]



I can read your mind: 10mm DON'T MATTER

-5mm inside....-5mm outside. Only YOU and I will know.... dont tell anyone.

If you MUST have the 10mm "size matters in macho" and R-compound, prepare to spend +$450 for CORSA tires set. Expensive 10mm ?? She wont notice.....


Or: go 20mm WIDER on front! Nobody will notice the rears!!!

[parabs]

I love the look of these tires but the one thing I don’t like is they’re only available in 245/30R19 and not 255/30R19.
Anyone have any input on size, handling, looks, pics compared to stock tires?

Assuming you mean 345/30/19 and 355/30/19, the Toyo’s fit as large as the 355/Pirelli’s. If you search the posts I suspect you will find the vast majority agree, these tires are suited well to Viper and are the preferred choice for all the aspects you mention above.

Some people groan about noise and others treadlife....you have to give something up to get something in return.

Notably, The vast majority of people rarely agree on anything - that should be the component to inform the answer you’re looking for.

Pics of the older R888 in 315/30/18on 12” wide front wheels and 345/30/19 On 13” wide wheels on my car.

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[TA Two Oh]

Car, wheels, tires all look great! Chestermere?

[parabs]

Car, wheels, tires all look great! Chestermere?

You bet! I just sent you an email Doug - I’m hoping that I’m actually going to get out this year, May 3rd isn’t far off!

[Tay]

You will not even notice the difference. Do it!

[outnumbered]

Love my Toyo's. The new style is much quieter than the previous.

[Bill Pemberton]

St. Joe Sniper , you have a PM.

Feel free to give me a ring, as I am just North of you and spend alot of my childhood in your neck of the woods -- grandparents lived in Cameron, Mo.

402-677-5864

Bill Pemberton
Woodhouse Dodge

[SRT_BluByU]

I don’t know why anyone would want the R888R over the Pirelli Corsas for street driving ’s now that they’re available. The Pirelli’s have no weakness and are really good tires..i have 16,000 miles on my second set and about 3/32-4/32 remaining.. work well in rain, quiet, good grip...

But are $

[Bill Pemberton]

My apologies BluByu but the comment that the Corsas have no weaknesses needs to be modified in one area in my estimation - track usage. Yes, they are a decent street tire , though quite expensive, but many of us have had issues with them on track. They chunk badly , especially on the front, for those really quick drivers, so many prefer other options if they plan to do HPDEs or Time Trials. Now , after saying that , the R888R has potential concerns too, and we probably had more complaints after installing these on Vipers than any other tire I remember --- they are noisy and quite a few individuals found this disturbing. The other situation that can occur , depending on the part of the Country you live in, is that they are absolutely horrible in the rain - downright dangerous. Don't believe me, just check Toyos own notices and also when referring to that, note they recommend this tire for autocross or road course use only.

That leaves ( for Gen III thru Gen V ) a couple of tires I think work great for street driving and even an occasional HPDE for those just looking for a fun time, and they are the Pilot Super Sport and the Pirelli P Zero. The PZero is alot less than a Corsa, rides well, and sheds water fantastic, and was original equipment for most Vipers. The Michelin Pilot Super Sport is an older generation tire, but the compounding is different than in the past ( noted by some friends at the Bibendum Plant ) and they are great in rain, quiet and still stick decent. Don't worry about the 345/19 size as it was what came on Gen IIIs and Gen IVs , anyway -- work fine.

Now call Jon B. and he can get any of them, but more importantly he can listen to you and decide what is the best remedy for where you life, how you drive , and what will match your budget the best also. Good luck!

[ViperNC]

That leaves ( for Gen III thru Gen V ) a couple of tires I think work great for street driving and even an occasional HPDE for those just looking for a fun time, and they are the Pilot Super Sport and the Pirelli P Zero. The PZero is alot less than a Corsa, rides well, and sheds water fantastic, and was original equipment for most Vipers. The Michelin Pilot Super Sport is an older generation tire, but the compounding is different than in the past ( noted by some friends at the Bibendum Plant ) and they are great in rain, quiet and still stick decent. Don't worry about the 345/19 size as it was what came on Gen IIIs and Gen IVs , anyway -- work fine.


I've been thinking I would go with the Michelin Sport Cup 2's for my next set. Supposed to be great for both street and track days. I might make it through the summer on the Corsa's, but they are going to be shot at that point. Never had the Toyo's and heard the same negative complaints about the noise and ride quality on the road. the only reason why I would be concerned about the rain is if I somehow got caught out in it as I typically only take mine out when the sun is shining and streets are dry.

[Bill Pemberton]

Have run the Cups myself and they are standard on GT 350s that quite a few friends run. Solid track tire , decent DOT street tire, though it also is a bit compromised in the rain, though not to the degree of the R888rs. Not a bad price for a full set and another good alternative for those who want a pretty serious track and street rubber donut. Would take then over the Corsa and R888r any day.

[13COBRA]

I've tracked on Corsa, R888Rs, Cup 2s and R7s.

Compared to the R7s, the R888Rs weren't horrible in the rain. They do hydroplane, but is somewhat controllable.

As far as an every day tire, I would prefer the P Zeros or the R888Rs. The P Zeros if you're looking for a quiet ride with 70-80% traction on full power... or R888Rs if you're ok with a little extra noise for the extra 10-20% more traction on full power.

If you have aftermarket exhaust, you won't hear the R888Rs anyways.

[sharmut]

Has anyone tried the ACR Khumos on non-acr? Excluding rain, they worked great for me on the ACR for both road and track with 2 defencies. With the factory recommended track alignment, the fronts are done(cored inside) in 3-4 sessions, more aggressive drivers cored after 2 sessions. The rear tire weight considerably more than R7s.

[Bill Pemberton]

The ACR Kumhos are pretty reasonable , but remember you need an 19 inch up front too......so limits the Snakes that could use them.

[RT SERPENT]

You bet! I just sent you an email Doug - I’m hoping that I’m actually going to get out this year, May 3rd isn’t far off!

I used to live in Calgary. Miss it a lot. I still try to get back whenever I can. Sounds like the Viper community in Alberta is really growing.
When I bought my RT new back in 2000, the registry told me it was the 7th Viper in the Province.

[Bruce H.]

I agree with Bill but will point out what causes the Corsa to chunk and how I have avoided that while successfully running out front with the fastest on track for years, ACR-Es and now the GT2RS being obvious exceptions. The front tire edges can be destroyed in short order by going on track under-inflated, heating shocking the tire, and sliding the fronts too much...all of which kills those edges, and some or all of which many drivers tend to do. The trick is to warm them up a bit slower to avoid shocking the tire with some warm-up laps, bleed down pressure as the tire heats up rather than start low and increase to your target hot pressure with increasing heat, and to use a slow in/fast out corner strategy that avoids excessive sliding and overheating of the front tire edges. And if you don't think a skilled driver can be really fast in a Gen V on track without over-sliding the car through corners and killing the tire edges than I think that is beyond the scope of this thread. Also, I'm careful not to expose the tires to cold temps as strictly recommended by Pirelli, and don't know if cold temps can make them more prone to chunking on track in the future.

Corsa is a fantastic streetable tire that will perform great on the track for those that want one set to be really competent for both uses, but you do have to manage them as I describe. If you need a tire for time attack or to get the fastest possible lap time choose something else. Those not willing or able to make accommodations on track should also choose something else...and accept the street compromises that choice involves. I'd use a different tire myself if I were willing to compromise on street use needs.

And if you think you'll find a tire that does both without compromise, well, good luck with that :lol2:

I ran the 911 Turbo on track last summer starting with the new OEM Pirelli P-Zeros and had to come well off my Viper/Corsa pace in corners (as expected) due to less tire grip. Then I swapped on Michelin Pilot Sport Cup 2 that were obviously much faster than the P-Zeros, but honestly felt about the same as the Corsas in grip and handling characteristics. But where the Corsa retains track grip for me until the front tread is gone, the Sport Cup 2 lost noticeable grip in corners with less use, heat cycling out with a ton of tread still on all tires. So then I could drive slow or replace. I had previously debated trying Sport Cup 2 on the Viper for this year but in the end longevity won out over the last possible 10th in lap time, particularly once decided to make the trip to Miami for the now cancelled NVE and I didn't want to have that contribute to the tire prematurely heat cycling out.

My 2 cents.

[Bill Pemberton]

Will just say if Bruce is getting that kind of wear out of a Corsa the rumors have to be true that he is not only fast, he is also smooth, ha!!!

[ViperNC]

I agree with Bill but will point out what causes the Corsa to chunk and how I have avoided that while successfully running out front with the fastest on track for years, ACR-Es and now the GT2RS being obvious exceptions. The front tire edges can be destroyed in short order by going on track under-inflated, heating shocking the tire, and sliding the fronts too much...all of which kills those edges, and some or all of which many drivers tend to do. The trick is to warm them up a bit slower to avoid shocking the tire with some warm-up laps, bleed down pressure as the tire heats up rather than start low and increase to your target hot pressure with increasing heat, and to use a slow in/fast out corner strategy that avoids excessive sliding and overheating of the front tire edges. And if you don't think a skilled driver can be really fast in a Gen V on track without over-sliding the car through corners and killing the tire edges than I think that is beyond the scope of this thread. Also, I'm careful not to expose the tires to cold temps as strictly recommended by Pirelli, and don't know if cold temps can make them more prone to chunking on track in the future.

Corsa is a fantastic streetable tire that will perform great on the track for those that want one set to be really competent for both uses, but you do have to manage them as I describe. If you need a tire for time attack or to get the fastest possible lap time choose something else. Those not willing or able to make accommodations on track should also choose something else...and accept the street compromises that choice involves. I'd use a different tire myself if I were willing to compromise on street use needs.

And if you think you'll find a tire that does both without compromise, well, good luck with that :lol2:

I ran the 911 Turbo on track last summer starting with the new OEM Pirelli P-Zeros and had to come well off my Viper/Corsa pace in corners (as expected) due to less tire grip. Then I swapped on Michelin Pilot Sport Cup 2 that were obviously much faster than the P-Zeros, but honestly felt about the same as the Corsas in grip and handling characteristics. But where the Corsa retains track grip for me until the front tread is gone, the Sport Cup 2 lost noticeable grip in corners with less use, heat cycling out with a ton of tread still on all tires. So then I could drive slow or replace. I had previously debated trying Sport Cup 2 on the Viper for this year but in the end longevity won out over the last possible 10th in lap time, particularly once decided to make the trip to Miami for the now cancelled NVE and I didn't want to have that contribute to the tire prematurely heat cycling out.

My 2 cents.

That is good info Sir! I tend to be kind on my tires as well and have been very happy with the Corsa's on the street for spirited drives. Haven't tracked my '16 yet and basically was going to just try to figure things out as I go. Smooth is fast in most cases as you pointed out. Surprised the Sport Cup 2's didn't last as long as you had hoped.

[Bruce H.]

I am smooth but really aggressive in the brake zones, braking hard but for a brief period, partially because that tends to keep more heat in the rotors and less transfer to the calipers and fluid, but also to manage the tires better on entry and through mid-corner. Works well for lapping days.

I did forget to mention the impact of track pavement on tires, which is brutally coarse and hard on tires at some tracks and easy on others. Three track buddies each chunked good left side tires in one day at one particular track (brand new Corsa on my TA, brand new MPSS on a C7Z51, and MPSC2 on 911 GT3) while another in an BMW gutted E30 race car showed minimal wear on his used Nitto NT01s. That factor would definitely impact results of different tires.

[sharmut]

It's not a surprise to hear the CUP-2s heat cycle out sooner than one would expect. A fellow track buddy mentioned the same results on his relatively stock C7 Z06.

[Bruce H.]

It's not a surprise to hear the CUP-2s heat cycle out sooner than one would expect. A fellow track buddy mentioned the same results on his relatively stock C7 Z06.

A track buddy with an AMG GTS heat cycled out his factory MPSC2 half way through the 3rd track day and just parked it, said car was too dangerous to drive. Another time he had Dunlop Sport Maxx R-compounds on it with some track days and when I took it out, he warned me first, and the back end was so loose it was very unnerving. Never had either experience in the Viper on Corsas even when worn down to the wear bars.

[Sniper]

Bill, thank you!
Tried to send you a pm back but seems like every time I post on this forum, it cuts 90% of my post out when I publish it.



I am not concerned about driving in rain or the little louder noise. I don’t track my car.
TBH, I am sold on the looks of this tire and the performance on dry pavement is a bonus

[CNU_Physics]

I put R888Rs on my car last year, the traction is insane compared to the Corsa. I can stomp it to the floor at 20mph and it will just hook and go. No wheelspin at all. Anyways you wanted pictures, I have a whole gallery set up of when I put them on:

https://imgur.com/gallery/nDGAsAl

Stock tires stacked:
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Toyos stacked:
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Toyos installed on the car, rear shot:
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[Sniper]

Nice!
What’s your thoughts on width of tires compared to stock on rears?
Do they look as wide?

[Camfab]

I agree with CNU, these hook hard especially if you’re above stock power levels.

[CNU_Physics]

Nice!
What’s your thoughts on width of tires compared to stock on rears?
Do they look as wide?

Yeah, I'm pretty sure they run about the same width as the Corsas despite being a 345. Look on TireRack.com, you can compare the dimensions that way. Trust me, you would be happy with these tires unless you are a huge track rat. Street driving, they are incredible.

[Sniper]

Street use only.
What’s your thoughts on noise?

[CNU_Physics]

Yeah it has noise that you can hear once you start moving over 45mph, but imo it's not that bad at all. Like I said, the grip is insane, and I'll take a little bit of noise any day for what it gives. I think these tires are a lot more forgiving even when cold compared to a Corsa or Cup2 as well. They seem to still grip very well even when not at their optimal temperature. The Corsa I remember was definitely not like that.

I've driven these in the rain as well twice. I've never hit a huge puddle or anything, but I didn't die either. It didn't get loose on me or do anything out of the normal. I don't recommend though and I do my best to try and avoid rain situations, because these tires are pretty much racing slicks so you never know how it will react when wet.

[Vipes]

I've run PSS, A7's, PZero's, Corsa's, NTO5R, Hoosier DR2's, R888's and R888R's. Of that group, the Hoosier A7's are the best at cornering/track use and DR2's win for straight line dig traction hands down. The PSS and PZero's are good if you want to give up WOT 1st and often 2nd gear traction. A lot enjoy these tires because of the longer life and they do well in rain but personally they suck all the fun out of driving a viper IMO. The R888R's are my favorite by far, the perfect jack of all trades tire. The R888R noise isn't anywhere near as bad as the old R888's, which is where most of the complaints you hear came from. For everyday street use, you will enjoy the car 10X more on an R-compound tire. Corsa's if you drive in the rain often but the Toyo's offer a lot more traction at the cost of simply avoiding downpours. The 345's don't look any smaller to me when mounted up but I've noticed it really seems to bother some people who lose their 355 bragging rights at their local cars n coffee meet.

[Vipes]

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Here are a couple more pics to help compare the width. Pic 1 are the 355 Corsa's, pic 2 345 Toyo. Hard to tell the difference, I think the Toyo's may run wide.

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[Sniper]

One odd thing I noticed from the pics is the tread pattern is different on fronts and backs.
Left side tread goes down and right side tread goes up.

[Vipes]

One odd thing I noticed from the pics is the tread pattern is different on fronts and backs.
Left side tread goes down and right side tread goes up.

Yeah they used to make them directional (non-R's). Now they are just labeled "outside", they are asymmetric but they don't make a left and right. The grove direction doesn't effect dry performance and are just for moving water. Toyo claims that the angle in which they run has no impact on the aquaplaning performance. Even if that claim isn't true they suck overall in water regardless so it's a moot point. My OCD noticed it also but I was able to get over it, they are amazing tires.

[chris1992]

Another R888R fan here. I liked the Corsa’s too, but I could not hook up in 1st gear to save my life..I no longer have traction issues with the R888R.

I cannot visually tell a difference in width between the 355 Corsa and 345 R888R. I will say that the fronts are noticeable wider even though I bought the R888R in the factory size (295/35/18).

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[SRT_BluByU]

I don’t know why anyone would want the R888R over the Pirelli Corsas for street driving ’s now that they’re available. The Pirelli’s have no weakness and are really good tires..i have 16,000 miles on my second set and about 3/32-4/32 remaining.. work well in rain, quiet, good grip...

But are $


My apologies BluByu but the comment that the Corsas have no weaknesses needs to be modified in one area in my estimation - track usage. Yes, they are a decent street tire , though quite expensive, but many of us have had issues with them on track. They chunk badly , especially on the front, for those really quick drivers, so many prefer other options if they plan to do HPDEs or Time Trials. Now , after saying that , the R888R has potential concerns too, and we probably had more complaints after installing these on Vipers than any other tire I remember --- they are noisy and quite a few individuals found this disturbing. The other situation that can occur , depending on the part of the Country you live in, is that they are absolutely horrible in the rain - downright dangerous. Don't believe me, just check Toyos own notices and also when referring to that, note they recommend this tire for autocross or road course use only.

That leaves ( for Gen III thru Gen V ) a couple of tires I think work great for street driving and even an occasional HPDE for those just looking for a fun time, and they are the Pilot Super Sport and the Pirelli P Zero. The PZero is alot less than a Corsa, rides well, and sheds water fantastic, and was original equipment for most Vipers. The Michelin Pilot Super Sport is an older generation tire, but the compounding is different than in the past ( noted by some friends at the Bibendum Plant ) and they are great in rain, quiet and still stick decent. Don't worry about the 345/19 size as it was what came on Gen IIIs and Gen IVs , anyway -- work fine.

Now call Jon B. and he can get any of them, but more importantly he can listen to you and decide what is the best remedy for where you life, how you drive , and what will match your budget the best also. Good luck!


I agree exactly Bill.. thats why i specifically said for street tire... for the street, besides $, they have no weakness... for the track.. run track pads and track tires. Easy. ;)

[No hemi]

345 toyo,s are about 1/2 inch wider than 355 Pirellis( ive had both and measured them side by side), also LOVE how the toyo's hook, after my first set was done I bought a set of Pirellis and couldnt hook on the first 3 gears, I'm waiting for my second set of toyos to get here and already sold the Pirellis to a friend of mine who is a bit less aggressive driving :) .

[JonB ~ PartsRack]

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[JonB ~ PartsRack]

Another R888R fan here. I liked the Corsa’s too, but I could not hook up in 1st gear to save my life..I no longer have traction issues with the R888R.

I cannot visually tell a difference in width between the 355 Corsa and 345 R888R. I will say that the fronts are noticeable wider even though I bought the R888R in the factory size (295/35/18).


You really mean 295-30-18.... not 35.......... signed: Nit-Picker

[Sniper]

Just seen these tires in person on my cousins car and they are good looking!!!!!!!

[JonB ~ PartsRack]

Looks are just a bonus...........

[Sniper]

Jon, trying to wrangle some money together so I can buy a set from you as I’m having car paint corrected, wrapped on front bumper-hood-side sills, and ceramic coated.
The set I have on car now is the original tires.

[ViperTim]

I have yet to tried the R888R, how do they feel compared to R888?
I'm running R888 on my Gen 2 because simply it was the cheapest option. And I was worried about running them in the rain.
So far, knock on wood, I've never had an "oh shit" experience in the rain with them. They feel pretty solid in rain. Though i try to avoid the biggest storms.

[JonB ~ PartsRack]

Clarifying: Anyone running "R888" tires, these were discontinued some years ago, so your tires are OLD.

The newer technology is the R888R, the topic of this thread..... Tire debuted in Viper sizes in mid 2018 as I recall....

If you get caught in a downpour, with ponding/puddling, or wet snow-tire ruts, SLOW DOWN. You would likely do this on Michelins or Pirellis. Ironic that in competition events, the R888 / R is considered a RAIN TIRE vs a tru race slick. Good drivers wont pucker.

[MoparJohn]

Since everyone is offering opinions. Toyo 888R. Great for track and handle well. I hate the noise they generate though. Makes me think my diff is going to explode. I won't be buying another set. The Corsa. Great for street, but in my opinion they give up after 3 or 4 laps. Once they get hot they get slick. Right now I am running the Sport Cup 2's and have found it to be a great street tire and a good track tire. I will me making the move to Hoosiers for the track next time out.

[JonB ~ PartsRack]

Jon, trying to wrangle some money together so I can buy a set from you as I’m having car paint corrected, wrapped on front bumper-hood-side sills, and ceramic coated.
The set I have on car now is the original tires.

You have been my customer since 2002..... dozens of orders. Thank You.
Ill ship tires today and gladly hold off cashing your check a while? No Problem

[Dan Cragin]

The Toyo's are a good track day tire and fair on the street. Good for modified cars with too much power for the stock tires. They are a bit noisy and don't work well when cold or in the rain. They don't heat cycle out as fast as the Sport Cups.
Being a DOT track tire, don't expect them to last long on the street, more so with sport alignment. Priced right.

[Sniper]

Jon, I thank you very much for just being a great guy. I don’t know many people that would send thousands of dollars worth of stuff without having money in hand. You have earned a loyal customer today.

I don’t drive my car in the cold, I don’t track my car, and I don’t drive it in the rain so these tires are perfect for what I need.
I’ve never had a Viper tire that ever got traction in the cold or rain...

[Sniper]

Does anyone recommend filling these tires with nitrogen and if so, what pressure?

[ViperTim]

Clarifying: Anyone running "R888" tires, these were discontinued some years ago, so your tires are OLD.

The newer technology is the R888R, the topic of this thread..... Tire debuted in Viper sizes in mid 2018 as I recall....

If you get caught in a downpour, with ponding/puddling, or wet snow-tire ruts, SLOW DOWN. You would likely do this on Michelins or Pirellis. Ironic that in competition events, the R888 / R is considered a RAIN TIRE vs a tru race slick. Good drivers wont pucker.

Might be old but they still hook like crazy. On my 3rd summer now with them.

[Bill W]

I have 5000 miles on my R888R tires. Caught in a HEAVY rainstorm last fall for 50 miles. Could hardly see the car in front of me at times and had to pull over. I drove slow with flashers on. Felt pretty slippery but I was careful and got home fine. The grip is fantastic in dry weather. As for noise, on some roads, especially concrete expressways, they have a drone that can annoy some folks but on most roads I never hear them at all. Bottom line: I will buy them again. Great tire!

[Sniper]

Package came in mail today...
Once wheels get powder coated, will slap these bad boys on!

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[Steve M]

Package came in mail today...
Once wheels get powder coated, will slap these bad boys on!

What sizes did you go with, and what wheels are they going on?

I'm debating tires, specifically the fronts. I've got 18x11 wheels up front (that I also need to have powder coated), and I'm torn between the 295/30/18 and 315/30/18 in the R888R.

[StrokerAce]

I have 5000 miles on my R888R tires. Caught in a HEAVY rainstorm last fall for 50 miles. Could hardly see the car in front of me at times and had to pull over. I drove slow with flashers on. Felt pretty slippery but I was careful and got home fine. The grip is fantastic in dry weather. As for noise, on some roads, especially concrete expressways, they have a drone that can annoy some folks but on most roads I never hear them at all. Bottom line: I will buy them again. Great tire!

I think you're only legally permitted to drive with your flashers on if you're alerting other drivers of a vehicle issue. Be careful, I have known a few people who have been pulled over and issued a ticket for doing the same.

[Bill W]

Thanks for the tip. I'll bet there are more than a few who don't know about this. I was in North Carolina at the time, and it's legal there (last time I checked).

[StrokerAce]

Thanks for the tip. I'll bet there are more than a few who don't know about this. I was in North Carolina at the time, and it's legal there (last time I checked).

It varies state to state. I got a warning from a sheriff in FL because I had mine on and I was driving through my development. I had stopped to pick up debris with my truck after the hurricane and I had them on when I went by a him. He just warned me not to go on the highway with them on. He was decent about it and I had only driven about 30 feet so just had not turned them off yet.

It's Florida so, um, yeah. Haha

[ViperGeorge]

I think you're only legally permitted to drive with your flashers on if you're alerting other drivers of a vehicle issue. Be careful, I have known a few people who have been pulled over and issued a ticket for doing the same.

I would think having tire issues would qualify as having vehicle issues.

[StrokerAce]

I would think having tire issues would qualify as having vehicle issues.

So I can flashy lights if my heated seats are not working either. Got it. Haha

[ViperGeorge]

So I can flashy lights if my heated seats are not working either. Got it. Haha

Obviously your heated seats wouldn't effect your ability to operate your car safely. Running tires not designed for rain would. Like duh. You got it now?

[cashcorn]

Steve M I went with the 315's up front on the stock sidewinders 10.5". they are badass! r888r's. it's like a go cart!

[Steve M]

Steve M I went with the 315's up front on the stock sidewinders 10.5". they are badass! r888r's. it's like a go cart!

Got any peektures?

[Sniper]

I went with 295/30R18 and 345/30R19 and wheels are Sidwinder 2s

[parabs]

Got any peektures?

315/30/18 (in older r888 spec) were bulgy on SW2 wheels extending beyond the front fender. However 295/30/18 r888 tires fit perfectly on my old Forgeline wheels which were a full inch wider than the SW2 wheels.

[parabs]

315/30/18 fit well on my 12 inch wide GTD1 Forgelines:

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For 10-11 inch wheels, I

[Steve M]

Looks like the 295 is the right choice for me...I'll just have to lower the front to make up for the smaller diameter tire.

[ViperGeorge]

315/30/18 (in older r888 spec) were bulgy on SW2 wheels extending beyond the front fender. However 295/30/18 r888 tires fit perfectly on my old Forgeline wheels which were a full inch wider than the SW2 wheels.

Gen 5 SWIIs have a different offset that Gen 3/4 wheels (the pictures you post are of a Gen 3/4 car). Actually I was under the impression that the different offset would push the wheels further inboard. Maybe I'm wrong though.

[Steve M]

Gen 5 SWIIs have a different offset that Gen 3/4 wheels (the pictures you post are of a Gen 3/4 car). Actually I was under the impression that the different offset would push the wheels further inboard. Maybe I'm wrong though.

Negative...the Gen 5 wheels most definitely go toward the outside on a Gen 3/4 car.

It isn't quite as apparent with Gen 5 wheels on a Gen 3/4, but it becomes pretty darn obvious when you see someone running Gen 3/4 wheels on a Gen 5. Take, for example, this picture posted by TheMadMachinist in this thread:

https://driveviper.com/forums/threads/3396-GEN-V-picture-thread?p=408175&viewfull=1#post408175

https://i.ibb.co/hVJzQ3J/Gen-3-Wheels-on-Gen-5.jpg

Although hard to tell, those appear to be the Gen 3 10-spoke wheels. The rears are fine, but the front wheels look sunken in due to the offset.

[ViperGeorge]

Negative...the Gen 5 wheels most definitely go toward the outside on a Gen 3/4 car.

It isn't quite as apparent with Gen 5 wheels on a Gen 3/4, but it becomes pretty darn obvious when you see someone running Gen 3/4 wheels on a Gen 5. Take, for example, this picture posted by TheMadMachinist in this thread:

https://driveviper.com/forums/threads/3396-GEN-V-picture-thread?p=408175&viewfull=1#post408175

https://i.ibb.co/hVJzQ3J/Gen-3-Wheels-on-Gen-5.jpg

Although hard to tell, those appear to be the Gen 3 10-spoke wheels. The rears are fine, but the front wheels look sunken in due to the offset.

Yup, you're correct. I got that confused. Gen 4 wheels on a Gen 5 definitely tuck in more. I have a friend that ran Gen 4 wheels and it was obvious they were to far in.

[Sniper]

I can comment on the noise of these tires as I've drove them for awhile now.
I can not hear them when driving and I have stock exhaust.
The only time I hear them is when I take car out of gear when I'm coming to a stop on highway and they do have the sound of mud tires on a truck but not that loud.

[CNU_Physics]

Yeah the noise they make is really overblown on how bad it is. It can easily be ignored.

[No hemi]

I kinda like the noise, I feel like a jet on a runway :t89039::drive::devilish:

[cashcorn]

43106 peektures of 315's on sidewinders

[cashcorn]

43107 tried to rotate..

[JonB ~ PartsRack]

.........I went with the 315's up front on the stock sidewinders 10.5". they are badass! r888r's. it's like a go cart!.........

No More Understeer! Instant response.

The diff between 295 and 315 fronts is Night Vs Day....on different planets.

But 315 will spray/splash your door/sill flanks a lot more

[cashcorn]

You know & nailed it. 2nd best mod after belangers/tune. I guess i'll need mud flaps now.. lol

[TheMadMachinist]

Yup, you're correct. I got that confused. Gen 4 wheels on a Gen 5 definitely tuck in more. I have a friend that ran Gen 4 wheels and it was obvious they were to far in.

Hey that's my car.

Yes those were GEN 3 or 4 wheels. We were just trying to use up the rubber at a track day.

[JonB ~ PartsRack]

PartsRack has the R888R back in stock in 18-19 and 18-18 options

JonB@PartsRack.com

[CarbonDan]

PartsRack has the R888R back in stock in 18-19 and 18-18 options

JonB@PartsRack.com

Hey Jon,

I hear you're the go-to guy about tire questions!
I'm also in the PNW and track at the Ridge. Simple question - what tires do you recommend for track use primarily at the ridge and secondarily at Pacific for a 2017 ACR-E, which I can Drive to the track and home (2 hours each way) and that will give better longevity compared to the Kumhos, with the understanding they will be a bit slower overall. Trying to baby the Kumhos on track so as to not go to cord and not be able to drive home is a tedious chore.
I know the optimal answer is to get a trailer and bring 2 sets of wheels with DH slicks or H7s, but I'm not quite ready to go the trailer route just yet, maybe next summer.
Not at all opposed to buying a second set of wheels (18s?).

Can you advise on some baseline alignment figures that can help aid in the above mentioned goals?

Can you link me to a simple, front tow hook as well? Preferably one that installs easily.

Who do you trust to do viper setup work around Seattle/Lynnwood?

Thanks!

[JonB ~ PartsRack]

DAN: Please email me at JonB@PartsRack.com. Ill send Pix.

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Hey Jon,

I hear you're the go-to guy about tire questions!
I'm also in the PNW and track at the Ridge. Simple question - what tires do you recommend for track use primarily at the ridge and secondarily at Pacific for a 2017 ACR-E, which I can Drive to the track and home (2 hours each way) and that will give better longevity compared to the Kumhos, with the understanding they will be a bit slower overall. Trying to baby the Kumhos on track so as to not go to cord and not be able to drive home is a tedious chore.
I know the optimal answer is to get a trailer and bring 2 sets of wheels with DH slicks or H7s, but I'm not quite ready to go the trailer route just yet, maybe next summer.
Not at all opposed to buying a second set of wheels (18s?).

Can you advise on some baseline alignment figures that can help aid in the above mentioned goals?

Can you link me to a simple, front tow hook as well? Preferably one that installs easily.

Who do you trust to do viper setup work around Seattle/Lynnwood?

Thanks!

[Hawk]

Is there any clearance issues with the 315/30R 18Y front tires ? Using them on a 2014 TA with lowering caps, stock sidewinder 2 wheels
Thanks
Dennis