ACR E Pricing

[CarbonDan]

Looking to finally add an ACR-E to the stable.
What's the consensus on these forums regarding pricing?
What kind of price is reasonable for something like a 2017 1-2k miles, extreme aero, stripes and a ~$130k MSRP?

Are people actually paying over MSRP or is that wishful thinking on the part of sellers?

[commandomatt]

:fpopcorn:

[zee]

I just picked up an ACR E and well spec’d examples with low miles were selling close to MSRP from what I noticed. There are always deals out there but the challenge is finding the spec you want at that deal. There are just not that many ACR-E’s to choose from in the market right now. If you don’t really care about color, options, etc you can definitely find a deal especially this time of the year but overall, these cars are holding tremendous value. G luck in your search!

[zee]

I am laughing. CarbonDan asked about an ACR-E and ZEE answered with his GTC ACR-E.



Why is that funny?

[RedTanRT/10]

Carbon, an E with stripes list closer to $140k. Asking prices for 1-2k mile cars seem to all be at or over list price, with special additions or real unique a whole lot more over list

Prices have held strong, only real discounted E models have 10k plus miles. Good luck

[Martin]

I was offered $180k for mine at the end of summer, but I wasn't willing to sell. That's one data point.

[Steve M]

Why is that funny?

Mostly because everyone on the internet knows that a GTC is not a real ACR-E.

And for that matter, anyone that pays anything over $70k for a used Gen 5 Viper is a fool, especially if said Viper has Pep Boys ricer upgrades like a park bench wing.

And now I'll just see myself out of this thread.

[zee]

Mostly because everyone on the internet knows that a GTC is not a real ACR-E.



Lmao, Yes I’ve seen those idiotic debates. So with that logic the GTSR is not a real ACRE? Hilarious.

[CarbonDan]

Thanks for the input guys. I know these price debate threads get beat to death on most exotic/performance car forums.

So the bottom line seems - if I can get one at MSRP with low miles, it's a fair enough deal.
That works for me

I'd love purple with white stripes
or white with blue stripes like Zee's.

[CarbonDan]

Also, regarding specs, what 'Real Unique' options are available or should I be on the lookout for?
I've seen mostly upgraded audio system, exterior carbon package, interior carbon package and that's about the extent of it. Also some bizarre color combos but those can be hit or miss in terms of resale value, in my experience.

[Martin]

You can't go wrong with any of the "limited edition" cars, or the Stryker color cars. The downside to the Stryker colors is that it's a bitch to get fixed if something happens - car would probably need to get shipped back to Prefix. As far as options, interior CF is nice, the 18 speaker system is nice (although anyone can upgrade any speaker setup to the 18 speaker with the upgrade kit). I've heard that the Brass Monkey wheels are a great addition for certain colors (looks awesome with Stryker Purple, most darker blues, and black, in my opinion).

I won't even get into the debate on whether a GTC car is any more or less than a non-GTC car. I will say that a well optioned, rare but desirably colored, GTC ACR-E that's a true "one of one" seems like a no-brainer. I was going to get a regular ACR-E in a standard color just for tracking purposes so I could Garage Queen my Stryker Purple, but budget didn't allow.

[CarbonDan]

^ Your spec is pretty crazy, in a great way!

[catwood]

I have a real E and a real X.

Everything is for sale at the right price to the seller.

Buyers decide if they want to engage.

[Exhlr8n]

Good luck with your search and don't settle for anything less than what you want.

My fully optioned 1 of 1 Stryker Green GTC ACR-E clearly states ACR on the side (See pic). So yes it is a Factory ACR-E (Mic Drop :lol2:)

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[kriskyk]

:fpopcorn: :newbie:

[Steve M]

Good luck with your search and don't settle for anything less than what you want.

My fully optioned 1 of 1 Stryker Green GTC ACR-E clearly states ACR on the side (See pic). So yes it is a Factory ACR-E (Mic Drop :lol2:)



Nope, that's just an ACR. If it was a true ACR-E, the sticker would say so.

[ViperGarageElite]

You seem very imature , GROW UP Merry Christmas

[Mbccenter]

I am thinking the colors you talked about are going to bring a premium over sticker.

[Exhlr8n]

OP, sorry your request for info got side tracked. Once again I hope you find what you are looking for. The cars are truly awesome and I'm sure you will enjoy!

[Dman]

First, welcome to the drama of the gen5 forums, lol.

Enjoy the hunt, best time of year for shopping cars, IMO.

A couple things I’d offer, you my already know them, but in case, to try to be helpful.

Real ACR vs GTC - so, an ACR has a VIN that actually shows it as an ACR. A GTC with the ACR pkg doesn’t have an ACR VIN, but has everything that is an ACR (yes including the sticker, lol) and usually a few more awesome options. So, does it matter .. IMO, nah. Also IMO a GTC is a much better choice, as a straight ACR will make you eventually wanting of a radio (well, speakers for it anyway), and some sound deadening, etc. To a weird collector looking 50 yrs down the road, still, I don’t think so but this is where some people argue it does - I’ll be dead by then so sure doesn’t matter to me.

ACR vs ACR -E. You probably know this, but not all ACRs are extremes. The extreme is higher price and more desired because, well, if you’re going to have an ACR it might as well be extreme as extreme can be. Tell tale sign of the extreme are the front fender vents.

ACR interior and CCM brakes. GTCs could be ordered without the ACR interior, in fact the interior was an option. So there are now more ACRs on the market that can have the GTS interior. So what’s better? Most will say ACR interior, because it’s cool and an ACR trademark. Certainly better for resale. But there is logic to the GTS interior in the ACR, like the 720s Luxury from McLaren, it gives a much more comfy interior. So some like that. Also, Dodge did a deal where when you ordered the ACR interior you got the CCM brakes for free, which was awesome. But it also means if the ACR doesn’t have the ACR interior, and has the GTS interior, it’s 99% likely to not have CCM brakes, and have the TAs instead. Again which some like for cheaper maintenance, but from a resale perspective would be less desirable.

As for prices, the range is yuge as you e seen I’m sure. I’m deciding on what my next viper will be, I’ve been thru a few, including a modded ACR, and have been mildly shopping for a while, I always buy in the winter and sell in spring/summer. But 2 I’ve called on have dropped prices one by $15k and the other $10k, both were over sticker to start though. Steals are long gone, IMO, but fair and good deals aren’t hard to get on great cars. My last 2 gen5s I got great deals on. My last was from a major dealer known for over pricing and I offered and paid waaay under their website price, so don’t shy away from high asking prices. The used 6 figure car market is brutal, financing failures have guys sell a car 2-3 times before they actually close a sale. I “sold” my ACR 4 times before I had a buyer actually materialize the money, and I sold for more than I paid for it.

Have fun shopping. You may find modded cars too, it’s not rare with vipers. If you have questions about pkgs or shops, this a great place to ask also.

I’m biased, prepping for my 6th viper in 20 yrs, but as someone who’s done Porsche to vette tp McLaren, my fav ride remains the viper .. you won’t regret the choice.

[Vipes]

Its pretty epic when a used 3-4 year old car is considered a good deal at original MSRP. Merry Christmas all!

[CarbonDan]

First, welcome to the drama of the gen5 forums, lol.

Enjoy the hunt, best time of year for shopping cars, IMO.

A couple things I’d offer, you my already know them, but in case, to try to be helpful.

Real ACR vs GTC - so, an ACR has a VIN that actually shows it as an ACR. A GTC with the ACR pkg doesn’t have an ACR VIN, but has everything that is an ACR (yes including the sticker, lol) and usually a few more awesome options. So, does it matter .. IMO, nah. Also IMO a GTC is a much better choice, as a straight ACR will make you eventually wanting of a radio (well, speakers for it anyway), and some sound deadening, etc. To a weird collector looking 50 yrs down the road, still, I don’t think so but this is where some people argue it does - I’ll be dead by then so sure doesn’t matter to me.

ACR vs ACR -E. You probably know this, but not all ACRs are extremes. The extreme is higher price and more desired because, well, if you’re going to have an ACR it might as well be extreme as extreme can be. Tell tale sign of the extreme are the front fender vents.

ACR interior and CCM brakes. GTCs could be ordered without the ACR interior, in fact the interior was an option. So there are now more ACRs on the market that can have the GTS interior. So what’s better? Most will say ACR interior, because it’s cool and an ACR trademark. Certainly better for resale. But there is logic to the GTS interior in the ACR, like the 720s Luxury from McLaren, it gives a much more comfy interior. So some like that. Also, Dodge did a deal where when you ordered the ACR interior you got the CCM brakes for free, which was awesome. But it also means if the ACR doesn’t have the ACR interior, and has the GTS interior, it’s 99% likely to not have CCM brakes, and have the TAs instead. Again which some like for cheaper maintenance, but from a resale perspective would be less desirable.

As for prices, the range is yuge as you e seen I’m sure. I’m deciding on what my next viper will be, I’ve been thru a few, including a modded ACR, and have been mildly shopping for a while, I always buy in the winter and sell in spring/summer. But 2 I’ve called on have dropped prices one by $15k and the other $10k, both were over sticker to start though. Steals are long gone, IMO, but fair and good deals aren’t hard to get on great cars. My last 2 gen5s I got great deals on. My last was from a major dealer known for over pricing and I offered and paid waaay under their website price, so don’t shy away from high asking prices. The used 6 figure car market is brutal, financing failures have guys sell a car 2-3 times before they actually close a sale. I “sold” my ACR 4 times before I had a buyer actually materialize the money, and I sold for more than I paid for it.

Have fun shopping. You may find modded cars too, it’s not rare with vipers. If you have questions about pkgs or shops, this a great place to ask also.

I’m biased, prepping for my 6th viper in 20 yrs, but as someone who’s done Porsche to vette tp McLaren, my fav ride remains the viper .. you won’t regret the choice.

Wow fascinating distinctions there, I never knew about any of that.
Thanks for the info!!

For me, I'm set on everything as extreme as it gets - extreme aero and lighter weight options and I fully understand the livability consequences. I have a pretty high tolerance for lack of comfort - I daily drive my 2018 GT3 w/ 6 speed, fixed buckets, etc and look forward to the beating a TRUE "race car for the road" will provide. Lots of cars make that claim, including both my GT3 and ferrari challenge stradale, but the ACR-E is probably the most honest with that claim.

[SharpMan]

Wow fascinating distinctions there, I never knew about any of that.
Thanks for the info!!

For me, I'm set on everything as extreme as it gets - extreme aero and lighter weight options and I fully understand the livability consequences. I have a pretty high tolerance for lack of comfort - I daily drive my 2018 GT3 w/ 6 speed, fixed buckets, etc and look forward to the beating a TRUE "race car for the road" will provide. Lots of cars make that claim, including both my GT3 and ferrari challenge stradale, but the ACR-E is probably the most honest with that claim.

If we're all being serious and unbiased I think we can agree that long term the more rare and more hard core ACR-E with ACR VIN (not GTC ACR-E) will be the more valuable car for what that's worth. There's plenty of precedent to support this.

[Mark1107]

I can’t believe people are saying GTCs aren’t ACRs. So the GTSR special edition isn’t an ACRE?

I’ve put my foot in my mouth on this forum, and apologized publicly, but this takes the cake! All ACREs are ACREs. Jeeeeezus Kanye Krist!

[ACRSNK]

Expect to pay over MSRP for what you are looking for the well optioned low mile examples always are

[ViperJon]

Oh look at that. A pair of "not real" ACR-E's at Nurburgring. These will never be as valuable as a barebones hardcore ACR-E.....LOL.....

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[zee]

Oh look at that. A pair of "not real" ACR-E's at Nurburgring. These will never be as valuable as a barebones hardcore ACR-E.....LOL.....

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Now that’s funny...

[ACRSNK]

Oh look at that. A pair of "not real" ACR-E's at Nurburgring. These will never be as valuable as a barebones hardcore ACR-E.....LOL.....

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Who would want one of those

[Dman]

Wow fascinating distinctions there, I never knew about any of that.
Thanks for the info!!

For me, I'm set on everything as extreme as it gets - extreme aero and lighter weight options and I fully understand the livability consequences. I have a pretty high tolerance for lack of comfort - I daily drive my 2018 GT3 w/ 6 speed, fixed buckets, etc and look forward to the beating a TRUE "race car for the road" will provide. Lots of cars make that claim, including both my GT3 and ferrari challenge stradale, but the ACR-E is probably the most honest with that claim.


Wow fascinating distinctions there, I never knew about any of that.
Thanks for the info!!

For me, I'm set on everything as extreme as it gets - extreme aero and lighter weight options and I fully understand the livability consequences. I have a pretty high tolerance for lack of comfort - I daily drive my 2018 GT3 w/ 6 speed, fixed buckets, etc and look forward to the beating a TRUE "race car for the road" will provide. Lots of cars make that claim, including both my GT3 and ferrari challenge stradale, but the ACR-E is probably the most honest with that claim.

It is indeed. It’s raw for sure and what I liked. I had a gen5 GTS and although I loved it, it was too lux and dulled a bit for me. But hey, I loved my gen2 and gen3, and took a while to like my gen4 because it was too smooth and nice when I first bought it. LoL. My ACR, which was a base ACR with 3 speakers and no carpet, etc., was raw, and I did go for upgrading it to the 18 speaker kit at the dealer, as well as throwing in some dynamat and the carpet kit, as well as rollbar, heads/cam, etc. So I have to say, while shopping now, I lean toward a GTC, because I know even I would do what I did before to my ACR with the radio upgrade so it can be heard and a mild creature comfort tweaking. Simply, you can’t go wrong.

[Steve M]

I can’t believe people are saying GTCs aren’t ACRs. So the GTSR special edition isn’t an ACRE?

I’ve put my foot in my mouth on this forum, and apologized publicly, but this takes the cake! All ACREs are ACREs. Jeeeeezus Kanye Krist!

A Viper owner's worst enemy is another Viper owner. Rain and phantom deer are probably a close 2nd and 3rd.

[commandomatt]

You want to get a Viper crowd going, start a thread about real TAs or real ACR-Es :web_driver:

[Bruce H.]

You want to get a Viper crowd going, start a thread about real TAs or real ACR-Es :web_driver:

...and a lot of other silly things :rolleyes:

[serpent]

Why is that funny?
Why were his posts deleted?

[zee]

Why were his posts deleted?

No idea - I was just wondering the same thing...he didn’t say anything that bad - he just said he was laughing because I commented about an ACR E while having a GTC ACRE lol

[02192viper]

CarbonDan,
Just to give you a little perspective from someone that was looking recently. I was searching for over 3 months before I finally found what I was looking for. There was not a lot of movement as far as pricing from everything I saw on the car forums and websites. I finally lucked into exactly what I was looking for. An ACR-E in Stryker orange. I got it for $22k less than msrp with 2500 miles. Front splitter and rear diffuser blades were still in the original bubble wrap. I followed the advice that others gave me. Acted quickly and it was on a trailer to its new home in less than 5 days.
As you have probably found out, low mileage models seem to be fetching a premium. Frustrating especially if you know your going to be driving it and supposedly depreciating it quickly. As others have said, if you are not picky about colors, you can find a few deals out there. If you are dead set on a color, be prepared to wait awhile and act quickly when you do find it. I found the white ACR-E with center band and drivers stripe and the grey with the center and drivers stripe seemed to be the best deals. A clean red one (no stripes) with under 5k miles just sold recently on a auction site for $121k I believe. He originally had it listed for $140k. Another red with center and driver stripe with 22k miles recently sold on eBay for $109 I believe. But that one had some visible paint wear and tear.
Good luck with your search. It will be awesome when it becomes reality.

[ViperJon]

CarbonDan, I finally lucked into exactly what I was looking for. An ACR-E in Stryker orange. I got it for $22k less than msrp with 2500 miles. Front splitter and rear diffuser blades were still in the original bubble wrap. I followed the advice that others gave me. Acted quickly and it was on a trailer to its new home in less than 5 days.

Your deal is an extremely unusual outlier and certainly not an example of current real world prices. An owner would have to be totally clueless to sell a clean ACR-E for 22K under MSRP with 2K miles on it. So either you got the deal of the year, found a totally clueless or desperate owner or the car had a story like heavily modded, an accident or a salvage title. But good for you enjoy it!

[ViperGeorge]

CarbonDan,
Just to give you a little perspective from someone that was looking recently. I was searching for over 3 months before I finally found what I was looking for. There was not a lot of movement as far as pricing from everything I saw on the car forums and websites. I finally lucked into exactly what I was looking for. An ACR-E in Stryker orange. I got it for $22k less than msrp with 2500 miles. Front splitter and rear diffuser blades were still in the original bubble wrap. I followed the advice that others gave me. Acted quickly and it was on a trailer to its new home in less than 5 days.
As you have probably found out, low mileage models seem to be fetching a premium. Frustrating especially if you know your going to be driving it and supposedly depreciating it quickly. As others have said, if you are not picky about colors, you can find a few deals out there. If you are dead set on a color, be prepared to wait awhile and act quickly when you do find it. I found the white ACR-E with center band and drivers stripe and the grey with the center and drivers stripe seemed to be the best deals. A clean red one (no stripes) with under 5k miles just sold recently on a auction site for $121k I believe. He originally had it listed for $140k. Another red with center and driver stripe with 22k miles recently sold on eBay for $109 I believe. But that one had some visible paint wear and tear.
Good luck with your search. It will be awesome when it becomes reality.

Congratulations! I would say this has got to be the deal of the century assuming it is a no-story car with a clean history. Every ACR-E I've seen for sale has a very high listing price, usually above MSRP. Ok, that doesn't mean the car will sell for asking but I also don't think the sellers will drop the price dramatically.
For example when Viper Exchange lists an ACR_E/TA for $219,000 I'm guessing they would laugh at an offer below MSRP (which for an ACR-E/TA was about $129,000).

[stradman]

So off topic, but is there an "unofficial" register where people submit their VIN's to? Do we know in the end how many ACR-E's were actually produced in 2016/17? More than 500??

[02192viper]

Car has a clean title, only mod owner did was tint the windows. I forgot to add that it is a 2016, not a 2017 like the OP had wanted. When I was looking, I saw very little if any movement from the cars that were listed online. In fact, the ONLY time I saw a car move was AFTER they had dropped the price. That made me believe that most were overpriced. I know my experience was not the norm, just wanted to share what I observed during the process. In the end, the seller and I both came out happy. He moved his car without it sitting for months and months on end and I got a pretty good deal. A win win for us both.

[02192viper]

Stradman,
I believe on the other viper site, one of the owners has an extensive list broken down by colors and everything. I am unaware how accurate it is, but it is a interesting read.

[Special Ed]

There were approx 870 cars produced in 17. while I was at the plant in june of '17 I was told that 90% of the last years production would be ACR/E. That is 780+ in '17 and there were around 200+ built in '16. You are looking in the neighborhood of 1,000 ACR/E's produced.

[CarbonDan]

There were approx 870 cars produced in 17. while I was at the plant in june of '17 I was told that 90% of the last years production would be ACR/E. That is 780+ in '17 and there were around 200+ built in '16. You are looking in the neighborhood of 1,000 ACR/E's produced.



Great info!

[Martin]

There were approx 870 cars produced in 17. while I was at the plant in june of '17 I was told that 90% of the last years production would be ACR/E. That is 780+ in '17 and there were around 200+ built in '16. You are looking in the neighborhood of 1,000 ACR/E's produced.

But wait... Are we talking real ACR-Es or fake ACR-Es?

[zee]

There were approx 870 cars produced in 17. while I was at the plant in june of '17 I was told that 90% of the last years production would be ACR/E. That is 780+ in '17 and there were around 200+ built in '16. You are looking in the neighborhood of 1,000 ACR/E's produced.

Awesome info.

I still don’t understand who gets a non-extreme ACR(I get the argument between a GTC ACR extreme vs the base ACR extreme for the track rats)...I guess I could see the splitter a problem for those that have bad roads and not enough clearance but you could just take that off?

[Policy Limits]

:fpopcorn::fpopcorn::fpopcorn:

[outnumbered]

Stradman,
I believe on the other viper site, one of the owners has an extensive list broken down by colors and everything. I am unaware how accurate it is, but it is a interesting read.

If that list was put together by Viper Jeff, you can take it to the bank.

[ViperTony]

Looking to finally add an ACR-E to the stable.
What's the consensus on these forums regarding pricing?
What kind of price is reasonable for something like a 2017 1-2k miles, extreme aero, stripes and a ~$130k MSRP?

Are people actually paying over MSRP or is that wishful thinking on the part of sellers?

You're getting some good advice but you'll also get a lot of butt hurt advice in the process. In the end, get the ACR YOU want and forget about pricing/value. Find the one you bond with and drive the shit out of it, forget about future values. Good luck.

[serpent]

If we're all being serious and unbiased I think we can agree that long term the more rare and more hard core ACR-E with ACR VIN (not GTC ACR-E) will be the more valuable car for what that's worth. There's plenty of precedent to support this.
If these are GTC cars, these will fetch higher than acr-e with ACR vin.
https://www.topgear.com/car-news/supercars/dodge-viper-officially-dead-here-are-last-four#1

[St Pete Viper ACR E]

[QUOTE=Dman;399426]First, welcome to the drama of the gen5 forums, lol.

Enjoy the hunt, best time of year for shopping cars, IMO.

A couple things I

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Great post DMan!

I will second the fact that ACR-E specced GTC appear to have a higher desirability (and resale) than standard ACR-Es, this comes down to the more comfortable interior and the stereo from what I found in my search. But as pointed out you need to make sure you tick the right option boxes on the GTC to make sure we get all the yummy ACRE options making them indistinguishable from standard ACR-E at least from the outside.

Most high end owners desire uniqueness and appreciate many options to choose from in order to have that one off vehicle. This is where the One of One program comes into play and if properly selected can provide huge appeal to those owners looking for uniqueness.

Furthermore in the viper lineup where you have no engine options and few other mechanical options once the ACR-E package is selected (either standard or GTC) owners will look for other way to differentiate their Vipers and for me the full CF interior and exterior options is a must. Fully optioned CF Vipers are difficult to find and fetch more on the market but they are more than worth it IMO. CF options also offer one of the very few ways to differentiate apart from colors, it also looks amazing with the exposed CF Extreme wing.

To stripe or not to stripe: Some say its not a viper without stripes and there are plenty of options there which is great but having a plain solid color car stands out in a field of striped cars as well.

When it comes to mods the viper community is clearly different but generally speaking stock is king and from what I've seen there is some hesitation in the second hand market regarding moded cars which if done poorly is a costly fix.

In summary, GTC ACR-E with full CF options in the right color is the way to go but some could say that I am a wee bit biased.... :)

[nitromilt]

But wait... Are we talking real ACR-Es or fake ACR-Es?

The truth is the only built 28 real ACR-E

[SharpMan]

Stats on this thread show 382 "real" ACRs and the vast majority of those would be with the Extreme aero as the standard aero was definitely not common.

https://driveviper.com/forums/threads/25454-More-Exclusive-than-an-F-Car-or-Lambo

Though I agree with you I believe in that the ACR VIN will, ultimately, be the more desirable car from a collectability standpoint. It's the authentic ACR experience without sound insulation, with ceramics, the intended interior etc...etc...15-20 years down the road if people are still collecting cars I believe those things will be more appealing to a collector.

[commandomatt]

Stats on this thread show 382 "real" ACRs and the vast majority of those would be with the Extreme aero as the standard aero was definitely not common.

https://driveviper.com/forums/threads/25454-More-Exclusive-than-an-F-Car-or-Lambo

Though I agree with you I believe in that the ACR VIN will, ultimately, be the more desirable car from a collectability standpoint. It's the authentic ACR experience without sound insulation, with ceramics, the intended interior etc...etc...15-20 years down the road if people are still collecting cars I believe those things will be more appealing to a collector.

Can’t agree with this. The standard ACRE’s never got any press or attention. While they were offered as an option, the ones that stood out were the limited/special editions and the 1 of 1’s. These are the cars that will fetch the big bucks down the road. The few bare bones ACRE’s will never match up and will be just that.....poorly optioned cars that do not come close to the loaded ones.

[SharpMan]

Not sure what you mean. All the press cars were standard ACR-Es. Literally every press video (Top Gear, Motor Trend,Edmunds, XCar, etc...etc...) magazine and online article is based on ACR-Es. All the track records were also in ACR-Es save the Nurburgring time (which wasn't a record). The non-GTC is more raw, visceral and authentic to the original concept. I think that's what collectors down the road will want.

[ViperJon]

Sorry SharpMan but having owned both I can tell you the "authentic ACR experience" sucks if you intend to ever drive it which is why so many add the speakers, sound deadening and carpet back in. There's a reason why they were the cheapest model then and are still the cheapest model. So scoop them up now for those big bucks 100 years from now...:). But IMO no way will they be more valuable than a numbered special edition or unique one of one now or ever.

[SharpMan]

Sorry SharpMan but having owned both I can tell you the "authentic ACR experience" sucks if you intend to ever drive it which is why so many add the speakers, sound deadening and carpet back in. There's a reason why they were the cheapest model then and are still the cheapest model. So scoop them up now for those big bucks 100 years from now...:). But IMO no way will they be more valuable than a numbered special edition or unique one of one now or ever.

I think you guys are misunderstanding me. I'm not arguing the merits of one vs the other, only what I think a car collector might value down the road. It's always the most extreme version, the closest to race provenance. And collectors will buy the virtually never driven cars and they won't drive them either so it's the ethos that matters not the experience.

That said, I enjoy the real ACR experience. It's precisely because it doesn't drive like a street car that I like it but I only use it once a month or so for a thrill or track it. To me the "options" that game with the GTC are undesirable. I like seeing the raw glass tub, I don't care the stereo barely works, etc...I can imagine that if you wanted some modicum of comfort that the GTC package would appeal.

[TIME]

Not sure what you mean. All the press cars were standard ACR-Es. Literally every press video (Top Gear, Motor Trend,Edmunds, XCar, etc...etc...) magazine and online article is based on ACR-Es. All the track records were also in ACR-Es save the Nurburgring time (which wasn't a record). The non-GTC is more raw, visceral and authentic to the original concept. I think that's what collectors down the road will want.

You are right.
Look at history in the sports car world.

[ViperGeorge]

I think you guys are misunderstanding me. I'm not arguing the merits of one vs the other, only what I think a car collector might value down the road. It's always the most extreme version, the closest to race provenance. And collectors will buy the virtually never driven cars and they won't drive them either so it's the ethos that matters not the experience.

That said, I enjoy the real ACR experience. It's precisely because it doesn't drive like a street car that I like it but I only use it once a month or so for a thrill or track it. To me the "options" that game with the GTC are undesirable. I like seeing the raw glass tub, I don't care the stereo barely works, etc...I can imagine that if you wanted some modicum of comfort that the GTC package would appeal.

You might be right but I remember when I was in the market for a 55 or 56 TBird. I found one with a 3 speed manual with OD. The owner kept telling me how rare the car was with that transmission. He was right, but it was rare because no one ordered one when the car was new and no one wanted one now either. I do agree that if the car has a racing history it will be more valuable but to me a 3 speaker, entry level ACR will not be more valuable than a more fully optioned GTC-ACR. That is another variable that you are overlooking. Collectors value the more highly optioned cars which tend to go for more money. Look at a fuel injected 60's Vette or a 60s convertible of any flavor with A/C.

[CarbonDan]

Any ACR-e Owners in the Seattle area?
I'd love to get a ride along and experience one in person as I'm shopping around.
Will return the favor in any of my cars

[Pappy]

Can’t agree with this. The standard ACRE’s never got any press or attention. While they were offered as an option, the ones that stood out were the limited/special editions and the 1 of 1’s. These are the cars that will fetch the big bucks down the road. The few bare bones ACRE’s will never match up and will be just that.....poorly optioned cars that do not come close to the loaded ones.

I guess there are a couple of schools of thought. I ordered my ACR "bare bones" with only the performance options (like CF engine brace), and I ordered a 2011 Z06 Corvette the same way - base interior, Z07 option (CCBs, ZR1 cooling, axles, and exhaust) and Carbon Fiber option (roof, splitter, spoiler). I have recently been offered near the $90K MSRP for the Corvette (with less than 5000 miles on it) - turned it down. Back in the day my two cars that sold highest relative to MSRP were a 70 LTI, no-A/C Corvette and a 70 1/2 Z-28 with an LT-1, M-22, and 4:11s - no A/C or fancy options. Both were low mileage then and are quite valuable today. While highly optioned classic cars sell well, so do the radio/heater/A/C- delete "factory hot rods" because they are generally very rare, and often have "history". I did not buy my Viper with any intent of selling, and I would have purchased it even if I thought it would depreciate half its value in the first few years.

Pappy

[SharpMan]

I guess there are a couple of schools of thought. I ordered my ACR "bare bones" with only the performance options (like CF engine brace), and I ordered a 2011 Z06 Corvette the same way - base interior, Z07 option (CCBs, ZR1 cooling, axles, and exhaust) and Carbon Fiber option (roof, splitter, spoiler). I have recently been offered near the $90K MSRP for the Corvette (with less than 5000 miles on it) - turned it down. Back in the day my two cars that sold highest relative to MSRP were a 70 LTI, no-A/C Corvette and a 70 1/2 Z-28 with an LT-1, M-22, and 4:11s - no A/C or fancy options. Both were low mileage then and are quite valuable today. While highly optioned classic cars sell well, so do the radio/heater/A/C- delete "factory hot rods" because they are generally very rare, and often have "history". I did not buy my Viper with any intent of selling, and I would have purchased it even if I thought it would depreciate half its value in the first few years.

Pappy

You said it better than I did. That's exactly what I meant. The "hard core" cars are ultimately more rare and collectible (not that rare always = collectable) because for most people they weren't as pleasant / enjoyable.

Anyway...it's all academic and I didn't buy the car as an investment. It's just such a thrill! It would be fun to try a GTC ACR to see how big of a difference the sound insulation makes to the experience.

[Scott_in_fl]

You are right.
Look at history in the sports car world.

There is some credence to the conversation here, and I agree that generally an enthusiast collector wants the stripper "race model" because those were much more rare than the donor model, more hardcore and much higher performing.

However, an important point is that those models were specifically differentiated by the OEM, were higher performing variants intended to track use, were relatively much more expensive, and often looked like you were "paying more, for less" when it came to comfort options, interior materials, lack of rear seats, etc., etc.

The market and general populace was also much more conservative back then. Hardly anyone had a sports car other than teenagers. As a result, they sold in really, really low numbers. And, of course, now they are worth a fortune -- the original Corvette Z06 in 1963 cost 50% more just for the Z06 option; Superbirds were so expensive they sat on lots so long that many were down converted to regular (lol) roadrunners.

None of those parallels are present with the GTC vs non-GTC debate. Both are officially considered ACR's by FCA -- they have identical badging, are identified as such in parts manuals, brochures, and owners manuals (my car came with an ACR setup guide), so there is no distinct ACR model between the two variants. Both are considered identically performing, so there is no way to consider one to be the "racer" model as opposed to the other. And, the GTC is actually the higher priced car vs. the non-GTC, so that aspect is missing.

In all, there is no parallel, and this argument is akin to someone arguing that an '05/'06 FGT with none of the 4 available options is more valuable because it is more "hardcore" than a 4 option car. Well, guess what? You're wrong.

Again this is not similar to 911GT2 vs. GTRS (distinct models, higher performing, higher price), Ferrari 360 vs. Challenge Stradale (again, same), Z06 vs. ZR1, etc., etc., etc.

GTC vs. non-GTC is a distinction without a difference. And that difference, on its own, is very likely to be worthless.

[serpent]

You are right.
Look at history in the sports car world.
Nah, not really, look at the gen 5 camaro z28, the barebones ones are going for cheaper than ones optioned with AC. Also having no radio vs one optioned with a radio?
I dont know anyone crazy enough to buy a car with no AC or radio, spending over 150k for a bare bones car, when you can have that very same car with those options and offered in sequential #, packaged as limited edition, like: https://www.topgear.com/car-news/supercars/dodge-viper-officially-dead-here-are-last-four#1

We'll see, if bare bones cars are the craze, the gen 1 viper with low miles should be a car fetching over $100k. But it isnt.

[Policy Limits]

IMO no way will they be more valuable than a numbered special edition or unique one of one now or ever.[/QUOTE]

Who are you and what have you done with VJ?

[TIME]

I love music. However, not once did i turn on the radio while driving my OTA 59/93.
For me, it is all about the driving experience.

[zee]

Here is a good deal for anyone looking for an ACRE

41563

[ACRSNK]

That ACR-E looks black in the pics. Can't tell it's GTS-R Blue at all.

As stated....great deal!