Nurburgring Re Do or Local Events It s up to you

[Russ Oasis]

Good News Everybody: I’m happy to announce that Viper Nurburgring Record, the company that funded the effort to be the Ring King, has settled its litigation involving a car dealer who copied and used the copyrighted photographs without a license (definitely NOT Viper Exchange or BJ Motors). After a federal court judge ruled in VNR’s favor on its copyright infringement claims, we reached a favorable settlement in the amount of $280,000. After litigation expenses and taxes, the proceeds from the litigation will be approximately $100,000. Since I organized the original event for the Viper community, I want to use the money to benefit the Viper community. I am asking for your suggestions as to how to further the interests of Viper lovers with this money. Specifically, should VNR put the money towards funding another trip back to The Ring or use the money on local and regional Viper events across the country?

[13COBRA]

That's interesting! In what respect did he use them for? Must've been pretty crazy to lose a $280k suit.

[512BB]

I saw this thread in two places, so here is what I wrote in the other:


Another trip back to the Ring would be awesome, but the weakest link is the shyte Kumho front tires so I won't expect much of difference in terms of them blowing out, etc. However, a sub 7 minute time would be a good one to have for posterity :-)

[Murpowa]

Russ, would 100k really be enough to revisit the attempt at the ring? Are the original ACR’s still available?

[outnumbered]

What cars would be used?

[Russ Oasis]

No, $100,000 would not be enough. I would go back to the well and see if one of the previous sponsors or a private person wants to donate a car. If we set a sub 7:00 lap, it would make the car valuable for the person who donated it for the effort. If we could find enough sponsor financing without having to try the go fund me routine again, I'd consider it. Although it would create an asterisk, we'd have to consider running 18" wheels in the front to use different Kumhos or other tire solutions for that punishing track. If there isn't enough desire to see this happen, I'll donate the money to various Viper events throughout the country.

[FrankBarba]

I'm sure Tomball has a Viper in their stable that could be used. They seem to have all sorts of
Vipers that have some sort of race history. Have you checked with Ben ?

[plumcrazy]

id love to know which dealer it was that did that

[13COBRA]

id love to know which dealer it was that did that

Sadly I got the other side of the story last night. Russ' first post is slightly misleading.

[99RT10]

Sadly I got the other side of the story last night. Russ' first post is slightly misleading.

So Russ lied?

[13COBRA]

So Russ lied?

I imagine the other side will be shared today, and everyone can make their own judgement.

[BSLSK]

Here's the case https://casetext.com/case/viper-nurburgring-record-llc-v-robbins-motor-co-3

It would be very cool to see the viper crowned king at the Nurburgring but I think the funds would be much more appreciated in local events. Just my 2 cents.

[Russ Oasis]

Excuse me? Something I wrote was "misleading?" 13Cobra, please tell me what I said that was not 100% correct. You could ask "your friend" to see the court's rulings rather than just going with hearsay. I have worked this project thousands of hours, free of charge. I stood to lose money out of my own pocket if things didn't work out (if we came in over budget at The Ring). And now that we have settled the suit, I am giving all money won, to the Viper community. The point of this thread is to find out where everyone would like to see the money spent. It's not going into my pocket, so why would I say something that "is misleading?"

[13COBRA]

Excuse me? Something I wrote was "misleading?" 13Cobra, please tell me what I said that was not 100% correct. You could ask "your friend" to see the court's rulings rather than just going with hearsay. I have worked this project thousands of hours, free of charge. I stood to lose money out of my own pocket if things didn't work out (if we came in over budget at The Ring). And now that we have settled the suit, I am giving all money won, to the Viper community. The point of this thread is to find out where everyone would like to see the money spent. It's not going into my pocket, so why would I say something that "is misleading?"

Easy killer.

I don't have a dog in the fight. I've spoken to Clay about as many times as you and I have spoken.

Simply stating that your beliefs and his beliefs are still very different on the events that transpired, the timeline, and what was discussed.

Frankly, I don't care one way or the other. I think with the $100k you ought to go bet on red in Vegas and it'll either fund the whole trip to the ring, or it won't.

ALSO: The legal record shows slightly different than Clay told me as well. It's easy to have emotions lead people to their truths, I get it. Everyone is guilty of it.

[ACR-ISH]

Specifically, should VNR put the money towards funding another trip back to The Ring or use the money on local and regional Viper events across the country?

Let's go conquer THE RING! I like 13COBRA's idea to put it all on RED and fund the whole damned thing. We deserve a shot to show the world what an unaltered, uninterrupted, unmolested shot - FOR REAL - looks like!

[ddlesk06]

:fpopcorn::fpopcorn::fpopcorn:

[uberpube]

Ring again.... Break the 7.00 barrier.

[TrackAire]

Back to the Ring!!

IIRC April has the least amount of rain when I looked up precipitation data during the last Ring attempt.

[braunstein82]

Ring or give away a car a nve

[Fatboy 18]

Reading between the lines, I think Russ wants to go back and is testing the waters to see who's up for giving the project more money.

[Steve M]

Reading between the lines, I think Russ wants to go back and is testing the waters to see who's up for giving the project more money.

To what end? So it can end up in disappointment, litigation, and a further divided Viper community?

Seems like the lawyers got a pretty sweet deal though.

[13COBRA]

To what end? So it can end up in disappointment, litigation, and a further divided Viper community?

Seems like the lawyers got a pretty sweet deal though.

Bingo.

Typically the only people who win in court are the attorneys.

[DEMO MAN]

I don't see returning to the Ring as beneficial to the club beyond some bragging rights for a few. I would rather see the $100K put into a foundation, a 501 C not for profit organization and let's go do some good in the world with it. Maybe invest the original $100K, solicit donations from the Viper and car community and then take the annual returns and spend in in some worthwhile charities, something for kids, veterans, etc. That's something I'm sure a lot of us could get behind and support. We can do something that ties our appreciation for the Viper with supporting others, a weekend cruise pairing a veteran with a Viper owner that covers that veterans expenses for the weekend, a track day ride along and lunch for kids that are in need of escape from their everyday life due to health, or other issues. I would be on board with something like that and would put money into it to show my support, and I'm sure many other individuals and businesses would do the same, and it's tax deductible which helps. I could see decades from now that foundation having millions and supporting several annual events for those in need. That will not only make us proud as individuals but shows the world that the Viper Nation cares. That will bring nothing but positive feelings to all. Anyway that's my opinion on the money and I'm hopeful others feel this way also.

[MAMBA FANGZZ]

I think the money should be spread out amongst the Viper Clubs. Forget the ring, what is the point? The car is 3 model years old, it does nothing for the Viper community, and we know it can do it anyways so why waste the cash, especially when it won't cover the whole thing. I am all for bragging rights and all but it just doesn't make sense. That is something that FCA should cover as they are the ultimate beneficiaries if it posts a sub seven time, and they won't spend their money on it when they have tons more resources than we do.

[Steve M]

I don't see returning to the Ring as beneficial to the club beyond some bragging rights for a few. I would rather see the $100K put into a foundation, a 501 C not for profit organization and let's go do some good in the world with it. Maybe invest the original $100K, solicit donations from the Viper and car community and then take the annual returns and spend in in some worthwhile charities, something for kids, veterans, etc. That's something I'm sure a lot of us could get behind and support. We can do something that ties our appreciation for the Viper with supporting others, a weekend cruise pairing a veteran with a Viper owner that covers that veterans expenses for the weekend, a track day ride along and lunch for kids that are in need of escape from their everyday life due to health, or other issues. I would be on board with something like that and would put money into it to show my support, and I'm sure many other individuals and businesses would do the same, and it's tax deductible which helps. I could see decades from now that foundation having millions and supporting several annual events for those in need. That will not only make us proud as individuals but shows the world that the Viper Nation cares. That will bring nothing but positive feelings to all. Anyway that's my opinion on the money and I'm hopeful others feel this way also.

This guy gets it.

There is no honor in how this money was obtained, so at least use it for something good rather than just pissing it in the wind for something that few will notice or remember.

[SRT_BluByU]

Here's the case https://casetext.com/case/viper-nurburgring-record-llc-v-robbins-motor-co-3

It would be very cool to see the viper crowned king at the Nurburgring but I think the funds would be much more appreciated in local events. Just my 2 cents.

that was frustrating to read for a lot of different reasons.. bummer all around.

[Ronin47]

The reasons to go back to the ring are, 1) finish the unfinished business. 2) get the attentions of the automotive world and spark an interest to bring the viper back again. 3) bring attentions to the viper community and get more people to the viper market.

[SilverACR]

I don't see returning to the Ring as beneficial to the club beyond some bragging rights for a few. I would rather see the $100K put into a foundation, a 501 C not for profit organization and let's go do some good in the world with it. Maybe invest the original $100K, solicit donations from the Viper and car community and then take the annual returns and spend in in some worthwhile charities, something for kids, veterans, etc. That's something I'm sure a lot of us could get behind and support. We can do something that ties our appreciation for the Viper with supporting others, a weekend cruise pairing a veteran with a Viper owner that covers that veterans expenses for the weekend, a track day ride along and lunch for kids that are in need of escape from their everyday life due to health, or other issues. I would be on board with something like that and would put money into it to show my support, and I'm sure many other individuals and businesses would do the same, and it's tax deductible which helps. I could see decades from now that foundation having millions and supporting several annual events for those in need. That will not only make us proud as individuals but shows the world that the Viper Nation cares. That will bring nothing but positive feelings to all. Anyway that's my opinion on the money and I'm hopeful others feel this way also.

Best idea yet!

[Fatboy 18]

Best idea yet!

Hell, Yes, now that really is a Good Idea

[FrankBarba]

I was never told that I'd be donating to a Business. Did I miss something in the pan handling ?
I thought that this was a true Grass Roots kinda of thing,
But this does look like a money motivator. If I'd have know that I'd be donating
to an LLC I most likely would not have sent the funds that I did....Sorry Russ.....

[Russ Oasis]

[QUOTE=FrankBarba;396449]I was never told that I'd be donating to a Business. Did I miss something in the pan handling ?
I thought that this was a true Grass Roots kinda of thing,
But this does look like a money motivator. If I'd have know that I'd be donating
to an LLC I most likely would not have sent the funds that I did....Sorry Russ.....[/Q

Frank, are you unaware of what happened? If this was a business, why would I be asking the Viper community what should be done with the money?

[FrankBarba]

VRN LLC was set up as a business entity formed to bring a record to the 2017 Viper in the Ring.
This entity was set up in the State of Florida.

Russ what happened ? You know management only tells us what it thinks we should know.

[Russ Oasis]

VRN LLC was set up as a business entity formed to bring a record to the 2017 Viper in the Ring.
This entity was set up in the State of Florida.

Russ what happened ? You know management only tells us what it thinks we should know.


Frank, Of course it was set up as an LLC. If somebody got hurt or killed while trying to set the record, I don't want to be sued personally. Of course the LLC was set up in Florida. That's where I live. Should I have set it up where someone else lives instead? I did this entire thing free of charge AND put my own money into it. I have spent THOUSANDS of hours organizing, filing tax returns, finding sponsors, making arrangements, etc, and never took a penny for anything. When our pictures were infringed, should I not protect their value? So, again, free of charge I spent time protecting the property owned by the contributors of the effort. The Federal Judge deemed the infringer guilty. The settlement was for $280,000. Instead of pocketing the money, I turned to the Viper community and asked them how they would like to see the money spent. Why don't you ask Joe, he was the American crew chief and was there the entire time. I don't get your beef.

[BSLSK]

A lot of misconceptions would be cleared up if people just read the case summary. Good on you, Russ, for all that you've done and you're still giving the community the choice. How about we settle this once and for all with a poll?

[ViperJon]

Relax Russ......Frank goes off his meds every now and again.

[TrackAire]

Not setting up an LLC for something with this much exposure and money on the line would be foolish and na

[pj]

Frank, Of course it was set up as an LLC. If somebody got hurt or killed while trying to set the record, I don't want to be sued personally. Of course the LLC was set up in Florida. That's where I live. Should I have set it up where someone else lives instead? I did this entire thing free of charge AND put my own money into it. I have spent THOUSANDS of hours organizing, filing tax returns, finding sponsors, making arrangements, etc, and never took a penny for anything. When our pictures were infringed, should I not protect their value? So, again, free of charge I spent time protecting the property owned by the contributors of the effort. The Federal Judge deemed the infringer guilty. The settlement was for $280,000. Instead of pocketing the money, I turned to the Viper community and asked them how they would like to see the money spent. Why don't you ask Joe, he was the American crew chief and was there the entire time. I don't get your beef.

Seems like you have some explaining to do around those copyrights and your lawsuit that appears to have been funded by people who contributed to the event.

Why did you only copyright the images the vendor used out of all the images posted or shared? And why did you sue one of your supporters over a couple of photos anyways?

[plumcrazy]

inquiring minds wanna know..

[FrankBarba]

OK i'm back on my meds. I don't care if this was formed in Florida, China, Tim Buck Too! I believe this was
totally a Scam for you to go racing. I was told for one that Once you gave XXX amount your name or your business
would be listed on the car. I never received any documentation that my money went to this event. I remember when I offered to buy a
set of tires for the car. I was told it was not enough....to be fair not by (Russ) by his partner involved in this....

[Fatboy 18]

inquiring minds wanna know..

Yes they Do!

[ACRucrazy]

Remember that time when a VOA Secretary sued a VOA supporting Vendor for $280,000 and gave the money to charity?

https://driveviper.com/forums/threads/25217-Nurburgring-Re-Do-or-Local-Events-it-s-up-to-you

[Aevus]

The Ring for a sub-7:00, of course.

But questions:

1. (front) tires?
2. Pilot(s) ?
3. If 100k not enough (obviously) then how much approx. ?

[13COBRA]

Remember that time when a VOA Secretary sued a VOA supporting Vendor for $280,000 and gave the money to charity?

https://driveviper.com/forums/threads/25217-Nurburgring-Re-Do-or-Local-Events-it-s-up-to-you

Oh, no. I forgot about this monstrosity haha

[Fatboy 18]

And of course the Ring cars were stock..... Yeah right.

[gfviperman]

Ring a ding den ...