Any Fix Yet for Gen V Lazy Throttle Off Idle

[Scott_in_fl]

The one annoying aspect of these cars that seems to have carried over from Gen III/IV (and maybe worse on Gen V) is the feeling of a lazy throttle response off idle. If a car full of kids pulls up and asks for a rev, I feel like we're all waiting a few seconds for anything to really happen. The delay is much better if rpm's are 3k or more but, below that, it sucks. Why is that?

Yes, I searched a bit and found the pedal commander, etc., which are electronic gizmos that apparently add some voltage to the throttle circuit to trick the car into thinking that the pedal is pressed more than it really is.

Other than that option, is that really the only easy fix? Is there a combination of switches (i.e. traction control off) that helps?

I assume the more involved fix is a tune and/or lightened flywheel to help the engine spin up quicker?

My SRT JGC has pretty damn good throttle response, so why is it this way on our Vipers?

[camarochevy1970]

Does yours also seem worse when it is warmer? When cold I swear I have better response off idle then after I have driven it awhile

[Bryan Savage]

I assume it's just a programmed-in throttle-by-wire response. With so many torques available, there'd be way more crashes if the throttle response was instant.

[13COBRA]

TKO Motorsports swears by there kit.

https://tkomotorsports.com/product/2013-2017-viper-adjustable-max-throttle-response/

[ACR-ISH]

Man, I might have to try that ASAP... GEN5 Viper definitely lags coming off throttle... more than just the lighter flywheel.

[13COBRA]

Man, I might have to try that ASAP... GEN5 Viper definitely lags coming off throttle... more than just the lighter flywheel.

They say it makes a HUGE difference. They're suppose to come out with one for the Gen IVs...but I already have the Arrow PCM and light flywheel, not sure it would benefit me any.

[txA&M08]

TKO Motorsports swears by there kit.

https://tkomotorsports.com/product/2013-2017-viper-adjustable-max-throttle-response/

Can we stack that with an Arrow PCM or is it meant for the factory tune?

[Gen5snake]

The one annoying aspect of these cars that seems to have carried over from Gen III/IV (and maybe worse on Gen V) is the feeling of a lazy throttle response off idle. If a car full of kids pulls up and asks for a rev, I feel like we're all waiting a few seconds for anything to really happen. The delay is much better if rpm's are 3k or more but, below that, it sucks. Why is that?

Yes, I searched a bit and found the pedal commander, etc., which are electronic gizmos that apparently add some voltage to the throttle circuit to trick the car into thinking that the pedal is pressed more than it really is.

Other than that option, is that really the only easy fix? Is there a combination of switches (i.e. traction control off) that helps?

I assume the more involved fix is a tune and/or lightened flywheel to help the engine spin up quicker?

My SRT JGC has pretty damn good throttle response, so why is it this way on our Vipers?


Yes, the fix is to get a new 1st gear ratio. There's not much you're going to do to help with a 2.26:1 1st gear coupled with a 3:55.1 rear.

[1.8t]

Arrow PCM helps for sure.

[ACR-ISH]

Yes, the fix is to get a new 1st gear ratio. There's not much you're going to do to help with a 2.26:1 1st gear coupled with a 3:55.1 rear.

It's not the gearing, Snake... My car pulls HARD in first.. and all other gears. It's the tip in throttle response coming off idle (or at the bottom of any gear really). It's like driving my super duty... there's a discernible delay between throttle pedal depression and the car picking up and going... Probably a delay designed for safety, as mentioned earlier. Annoying as hell when I have to drop the clutch with 2500 rpms and I still bog a bit!

I'll be ordering this up this weekend and I'm happy to report back!

[RedTanRT/10]

Hey Scott, it’s not a G3 issue. DBW came out in G4’s.

Arrow ECU in my ‘08, then a subsequent stage 2 flash helped a lot but doesn’t eliminate it

[TrackAire]

They say it makes a HUGE difference. They're suppose to come out with one for the Gen IVs...but I already have the Arrow PCM and light flywheel, not sure it would benefit me any.

This is the one thing that I can actually say I hate about my Gen 4....the lag in throttle response, sucks when heel toe downshifting on the track. I've tried the lighter clutch/flywheel option and also the Sprint Booster throttle "enhancer". In my opinion the Sprint Booster is just a not the correct fix. It makes the throttle more reactive over a shorter distance but the off idle response still sucks. I'm still running the Mopar PCM (not the Arrow unit) and I can almost think that the car self learns the throttle position and makes the Sprint unit less effect.

Maybe TKO can chime in here and let us know if this is truly something that can make the throttle responsive off idle reactive (like a real physical throttle cable) or if it is like the Sprint Booster which to me is just a potentiometer that narrows the response over a shorter distance.

If TKO really has something that works, I'm buying it asap.

[Gen5snake]

It's not the gearing, Snake... My car pulls HARD in first.. and all other gears. It's the tip in throttle response coming off idle (or at the bottom of any gear really). It's like driving my super duty... there's a discernible delay between throttle pedal depression and the car picking up and going... Probably a delay designed for safety, as mentioned earlier. Annoying as hell when I have to drop the clutch with 2500 rpms and I still bog a bit!

I'll be ordering this up this weekend and I'm happy to report back!


Maybe we're thinking about two different things. It can pull much harder/quicker with a better gear. Most other older naturally aspirated cars like corvettes/mustangs etc come with a 2.66:1 to 2.97:1 1st gear. I know what you're saying about the tip in the throttle coming off idle, but 1st gear sucks and much more obvious when hot (when the engine is down on a little power) until you get into the torque zone. I don't know if that delay we experience when free revving it is present when it's in gear. If I cruise at 4000 rpms and I stab the throttle, there is zero delay...its lighting fast and I'm amazed of how quick the response is.

Order that piece and we'll see how it works out for you. Do a little 0-60 test. Even it did help get the throttle open quicker, I'm thinking you still have the physics issue (gearing/weight) until the engine gets into the sweet spot...that's the delay that I experience. I would have to look at the throttle map to really see whats going on.

[13COBRA]

This is the one thing that I can actually say I hate about my Gen 4....the lag in throttle response, sucks when heal toe downshifting on the track. I've tried the lighter clutch/flywheel option and also the Sprint Booster throttle "enhancer". In my opinion the Sprint Booster is just a not the correct fix. It makes the throttle more reactive over a shorter distance but the off idle response still sucks. I'm still running the Mopar PCM (not the Arrow unit) and I can almost think that the car self learns the throttle position and makes the Sprint unit less effect.

Maybe TKO can chime in here and let us know if this is truly something that can make the throttle responsive off idle reactive (like a real physical throttle cable) or if it is like the Sprint Booster which to me is just a potentiometer that narrows the response over a shorter distance.

If TKO really has something that works, I'm buying it asap.

I do not believe that it's a physical cable.

[Scott_in_fl]

Maybe we're thinking about two different things. It can pull much harder/quicker with a better gear. Most other older naturally aspirated cars like corvettes/mustangs etc come with a 2.66:1 to 2.97:1 1st gear. I know what you're saying about the tip in the throttle coming off idle, but 1st gear sucks and much more obvious when hot (when the engine is down on a little power) until you get into the torque zone. I don't know if that delay we experience when free revving it is present when it's in gear. If I cruise at 4000 rpms and I stab the throttle, there is zero delay...its lighting fast and I'm amazed of how quick the response is.

Order that piece and we'll see how it works out for you. Do a little 0-60 test. Even it did help get the throttle open quicker, I'm thinking you still have the physics issue (gearing/weight) until the engine gets into the sweet spot...that's the delay that I experience. I would have to look at the throttle map to really see whats going on.

Yes, different. I'm talking about just sitting in neutral, stabbing the throttle, and wondering for a bit when the revs will rise. Obviously, I'm not just looking for better responsiveness when sitting in neutral :), but that circumstance best describes the issue.

And to CamaroChevy1970's question, I have not noticed a difference between warm and cold because I basically live on the Sun where it is never anything but hotter than hell.

[ACR-ISH]

Yes, different. I'm talking about just sitting in neutral, stabbing the throttle, and wondering for a bit when the revs will rise. Obviously, I'm not just looking for better responsiveness when sitting in neutral :), but that circumstance best describes the issue.

And to CamaroChevy1970's question, I have not noticed a difference between warm and cold because I basically live on the Sun where it is never anything but hotter than hell.

Exactly. It's not how fast the car accelerates when stabbing it at 4K RPMs... it's how the long car takes to respond to the pedal being depressed from off idle to about 3k. My assumption is the throttle sensitivity is heightened up high in the REVs and muted down low on purpose, makes sense for the majority of people who drive fast cars. Most don't drive like this Viper group does.

:)

[Jack B]

I assume it's just a programmed-in throttle-by-wire response. With so many torques available, there'd be way more crashes if the throttle response was instant.

Exactly, Winkles did an in-car tune for me after I did the Prefix H/C. We discussed throttle response. The lag was eliminated with H/C tune. That is one of the first things you will notice when you hear a free rev from a H/C car.

You can change the throttle response with HPT, however, very few tuners had success, most changes created a limp mode.

[ACR-ISH]

You can change the throttle response with HPT, however, very few tuners had success, most changes created a limp mode.

TKO is pretty confident they have it nailed with no residual issues. Any experience with them...?

[blingnoring]

what about replacing the crank pulley with the one at IPSCO?

[Bruce H.]

Exactly, Winkles did an in-car tune for me after I did the Prefix H/C. We discussed throttle response. The lag was eliminated with H/C tune. That is one of the first things you will notice when you hear a free rev from a H/C car.

You can change the throttle response with HPT, however, very few tuners had success, most changes created a limp mode.

I recall Dick telling me the throttle response was set up that way related to emissions. He explained what it was about that delay that helped but I don't recall. A different ECU or tune would not have the emissions requirement obviously.

Anyone else recall hearing the details of that?

[Jack B]

TKO is pretty confident they have it nailed with no residual issues. Any experience with them...?

Again, a lot of tuners were successful with HPT, but, the throttle response mod was not always issue free. In addition, it did not result in any performance gains, modulating the throttle results in max performance, verus WOT at low rpms, that is what the pcm does. In other words, the pcm (to a certain degree) controls the throttle, not the foot.

[TrackAire]

I do not believe that it's a physical cable.

Yup...understood that it is fly by wire and not a cable, but I want it to act like a traditional cable. It can be done, my Z06 has great throttle response and feel making heel toe shifting very precise.

It really is just programming....looking forward to hearing if TKO's system works.

[soltic]

Anyone know if the Prefix pcm corrected the issue?

Assume the Prefix unit is the old Arrow controller?

[13COBRA]

Anyone know if the Prefix pcm corrected the issue?

Assume the Prefix unit is the old Arrow controller?

When I had mine reflashed by Prefix/Arrow, it solved the vast majority of my issues with it. But then again, it might have been so much better than it was previously, that it felt fixed.

[phantomapollyon]

I'd love to hear feedback if the TKO solution significantly helps with this in the event that anyone picks it up.

[ACR-ISH]

I reached out to TKO and asked questions regarding specifics of the product, and whether or not it would impact or cause a "limp mode" as mentioned here.

Here is the response from TKO:

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I realize that just because they are claiming it doesn't mean it's necessarily 100% true, but I thought his answer was logical and made sense. Either way, seems like a good $300 investment on a pretty easy to install device. Open to hearing feedback... I'm just the FNG.

[Scott_in_fl]

Sounds awesome. And I like that you received a response from someone who should know the answers to your questions -- the fabricator/engineer/crew chief. Not bad. Can't wait until someone tries this.

[ACR-ISH]

Anticipating getting it coming this afternoon. I'm not seeing a reason not to. Especially driving city, it does sounds like it cures the rolling start woes as well as adds real value to the weekend warrior or devoted racer/driver.

I can tell you guys that I ran a similar device on my '17 Super Duty. It came out the hole like a sloth but made 965 torque bone stock. Didn't ad up. Changing just throttle response via a Stealth module (quicker fuel pressure and injector squirt), it did the same thing and was the single best modification I made to that truck. Night n day more fun and rewarding to drive. Might have it by this weekend so I'll report back.

Anyone have ideas on how to show the forums it works (or doesn't!)...? Three honk stab at different RPMs before and after installation? Input appreciate.

[13COBRA]

Anyone have ideas on how to show the forums it works (or doesn't!)...? Three honk stab at different RPMs before and after installation? Input appreciate.

I would say that's a fair showing.

[cashcorn]

Where would you mount it? If it works as stated this could be a must have mod. looks tempting! I wonder why hptuners can't duplicate there results?

[13COBRA]

Where would you mount it? If it works as stated this could be a must have mod. looks tempting! I wonder why hptuners can't duplicate there results?

I have the Auto-Blip mounted to the left of the steering wheel in my Gen IV.

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[ACR-ISH]

Where would you mount it? If it works as stated this could be a must have mod. looks tempting! I wonder why hptuners can't duplicate there results?

Ordered. I'll letcha know!

I'll find somewhere clean and discrete without being hard to reach.

[TrackAire]

Hmmmmm. I read TKO's response. My Sprint throttle booster has 3 settings that can be changed on the fly. Stock, medium and aggressive. This connects behind the gas pedal in a plug and play fashion. It is reprogramming the speed of the throttle body movement over a smaller distance. Unfortunately it does not work on the PCM to change the actual throttle effect at tip in. TKO pretty much summed it up regarding overshooting the apex due sloppy timing of the heel/toe throttle blip.

I'm not sure if TKO's solution is just a version of what I already have (essentially an adjustable potentiometer) or if it somehow changes where the throttle tip in occurs over the entire length of the throttle travel instead of an inch or two past tip in.
I'll definitely be looking forward to feedback on TKO's solution.

[ViperGeorge]

I have the Auto-Blip mounted to the left of the steering wheel in my Gen IV.

39986

Gen 5 dash layout is quite different. I haven't really found a good place to mount the autoblip in my ACR.

[13COBRA]

Gen 5 dash layout is quite different. I haven't really found a good place to mount the autoblip in my ACR.

Oh gotcha. Good news is, you'll get it adjusted in about 2 laps, so after that, it can be as hidden as you'd like.

[kriskyk]

I use 3M VHB tape to mount the autoblip unit to the top left corner of the windshield it's very convenient there

[ACR-ISH]

If it works well it may eliminate the need for the auto blip, too. I like controlling my own throttle. My REV-UP engines (Mustang, 370Z, etc) I've driven are intuitive but it's just not the same as a good heal-toe... just need the throttle response to be confident in the REV-Match.

[efnfast]

Please make sure to report back post-install .. I'd really like to buy because man the throttle sucks

[phantomapollyon]

If it works well it may eliminate the need for the auto blip, too. I like controlling my own throttle. My REV-UP engines (Mustang, 370Z, etc) I've driven are intuitive but it's just not the same as a good heal-toe... just need the throttle response to be confident in the REV-Match.

Great to hear you're trying it out, I'm very interested to hear your results/experience. I'll be buying immediately if it works out. FWIW, I use a similar device on my Fiat 500 Abarth and it really cleans up the lag if set appropriately and it's very adjustable.

[ACR-ISH]

Please make sure to report back post-install .. I'd really like to buy because man the throttle sucks

Will do! It will be here Friday so expect something by Monday afternoon. I don't spend much time on the computer at home between wife/1 year old/driving Viper!

I've got to say... these guys have been nothing but incredibly quick to respond and very customer service oriented. Their products are CLEAN and I think well priced. I'm excited to get more from them this winter. I let him know he has a pack of wolves at the ankles of this install, so he's pretty juiced to receive feedback. If you guys move ahead and order, throw my name or handle in the comments. I wont receive any kick backs of any sort, but i would like to encourage him to become a vendor. With their customer service and forward thinking coupled with some bad ass parts, it simply adds to our available options for an ever-increasing performance edge over the newer competitors and such on and off the track!

Looking forward to posting some vids! If anyone wants their full product list, email me and I'll forward it to you. Not sure if I can post it. It's all current products and items in the pipeline. Speaking of which... some items in the pipeline per his last response:

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[kriskyk]

We are working on a programmable rev match. We like heal toe also but anytime we can get more consistency, adjust ability and bomb proof performance we are all for it. Our Rev match will be basically the same system in our GT3R porsche and viper racecars. You will be able to program the rev match for each gear and specific tracks and its very user friendly and simple to install. More info martin@tkomotorsports.com

Will it be reading the actual RPMs and gear selected so that it can determine that amount of RPMs that is required to rev match?

[blingnoring]

so if one is planning to get headers and exhaust and\or heads and cam, from my understanding you would need a tune. Would this take the place of a tune or work with it?

[13COBRA]

so if one is planning to get headers and exhaust and\or heads and cam, from my understanding you would need a tune. Would this take the place of a tune or work with it?

No.

[inquirer86]

Definitely following/saving this thread.

[sharmut]

We are working on a programmable rev match. We like heal toe also but anytime we can get more consistency, adjust ability and bomb proof performance we are all for it. Our Rev match will be basically the same system in our GT3R porsche and viper racecars. You will be able to program the rev match for each gear and specific tracks and its very user friendly and simple to install. More info martin@tkomotorsports.com

Sorry OP, not trying to hi-jack your thread.

Hi Marty,

Glad to see you joined. I'm interested in this rev-match module as well. Will your unit connect/wire into the vehicle in the same way as the autoblip? What would your module setup/configuration methodology look like?

On a side note, any ETA on the ACR brake cooling kit?

[soltic]

I spoke w/ the guys in the Prefix trailer @ a TA race and they indicated that the Prefix / Arrow controller had addressed the response issue and made it perform more like an actual cable linkage (which for me would be a big fix not only on accel but as noted by others - on toe / heel finesse which I always thought was brutal).

The reason I ask is that I am leaning toward the Prefix controller on my stock ACR-E for multiple reasons - response, throttle snarl, skip-shift delete and wondering if the TKO unit would be necessary on top.

Martin it appears you have obviously tested he TKO w/ the Prefix controller - does it add that much over the Prefix programming?

[AZTVR]

The reason I ask is that I am leaning toward the Prefix controller on my stock ACR-E for multiple reasons - response, throttle snarl, skip-shift delete Just be aware that installing the aftermarket controller has resulted in FCA denying engine failure warranty claims in the past.

[soltic]

Thanks AZTVR, I had Blackstone analysis done from the start on this car.

[ACR-ISH]

Thanks AZTVR, I had Blackstone analysis done from the start on this car.

I don't mean to speak for anyone, but I think AZ meant warranty claims on engine failure - in general. Not specifically related to the R28. If your warranty has expired then no worries.

[soltic]

Thanks ACR-ish, this car in particular was built after R28/29 but I did analysis anyway as there was sooo much speculation.

Out of the 5 Vipers I’ve owned this car was #2 and now #5 as I repurchased it, good thing is out of the 3500 miles on the car I put the first 2200 on it, problem is last owner didn’t buy an extended and our Canuck cars came w/ 3yr 60k km’s warranty only... oh well.

[ACR-ISH]

Ah.... sucks. Oh well. At least it's yours originally and has no issues, confirmed! Gonna try to sneak out to Sonoma on Saturday and watch TKO play with their GT3-RS! I'll post some pics, if so!

-Brian

[ACR-ISH]

Look what September-Clause brought me!

:monkeyleft:

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[bullitt2735]

well plug it in! we wanna know if it works haha

[cashcorn]

Looks like an under dash mount. can't wait for your results!:)

[sharmut]

Module setup/configuration methodology. It will be built specifically to fit the viper not a one size fits all. Our " auto blip" aka: rev match is the same hardware as we use in our GT3R racecars. Waterproof billet aluminum case , water proof connectors...basically bombproof racecar stuff. Software we are still working on but it will be very user friendly and have the ability to work with data logging.

Does the unit integrated/connect through the vehicle's wiring or connect to the ODB2 connector? In my case, the former is preferred since my ODB2 connector is occupied by a Racelogic HD2, unless an ODB2 splitter can be used to allow both devices to operate simultaneously.

[phantomapollyon]

Look what September-Clause brought me!

:monkeyleft:

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Nice! Let us know

[efnfast]

Look what September-Clause brought me!

:monkeyleft:

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"9 Hours Ago"
What's taking so long .. 5 minute install, report back ... my credit card is waiting, lol

[13COBRA]

lolol you guys are killer.

I'm intrigued as well! Let's hear the results!

BEFORE YOU INSTALL!

Go drive your car around, do a few hits...then come back and install, then go straight back out and try it again! If you install, and you haven't driven in a day or two, you'll have a placebo effect.

[Scott_in_fl]

lolol you guys are killer.

I'm intrigued as well! Let's hear the results!

BEFORE YOU INSTALL!

Go drive your car around, do a few hits...then come back and install, then go straight back out and try it again! If you install, and you haven't driven in a day or two, you'll have a placebo effect.

^^^ Excellent point. The scientific method in full force on the Viper forum!

[SilveRT8]

lolol you guys are killer.

I'm intrigued as well! Let's hear the results!

BEFORE YOU INSTALL!

Go drive your car around, do a few hits...then come back and install, then go straight back out and try it again! If you install, and you haven't driven in a day or two, you'll have a placebo effect.

Yes, that old placebo effect is no joke ! I'm already convinced !!!

[ACR-ISH]

lolol you guys are killer.

I'm intrigued as well! Let's hear the results!

BEFORE YOU INSTALL!

Go drive your car around, do a few hits...then come back and install, then go straight back out and try it again! If you install, and you haven't driven in a day or two, you'll have a placebo effect.

EXACTLY the plan. Will video both, as well as tip in off idle and rolling. Quit spooling your turbos, I need some good videos to give you some accurate feedback! Jeeze, you guys are wolves!

I'll try to get out tonight, will post by tomorrow afternoon at worst!

[soltic]

Marty has the programming in the JMS unit itself been changed?

[viperBase1]

Jeeze, you guys are wolves!
So true.

Veteran Viper Wolves that can smell BS (and fear) from miles and miles away. :devilish:

[ViperGTS14]

wow praying this helps, the stock throttle tip in so horrible makings for fast shifting very bad. In for review. If it works as intended lets see a group buy, have a feeling a lot of people we be purchasing one including myself. Really want to hear more from tuners regarding this type of product vs what can be changed via tuning) Keep us posted please.

[phantomapollyon]

wow praying this helps, the stock throttle tip in so horrible makings for fast shifting very bad. In for review. If it works as intended lets see a group buy, have a feeling a lot of people we be purchasing one including myself. Really want to hear more from tuners regarding this type of product vs what can be changed via tuning) Keep us posted please.

I'd gladly join a group buy if these do what we're all hoping the do.

[Next Phase]

Subscribed!

This voids your warranty though?

[silver7iron]

EXACTLY the plan. Will video both, as well as tip in off idle and rolling. Quit spooling your turbos, I need some good videos to give you some accurate feedback! Jeeze, you guys are wolves!

I'll try to get out tonight, will post by tomorrow afternoon at worst!

Any update? The crowd of wolves is getting larger!

[efnfast]

We were promised results yesterday afternoon!:devilish:

[Scott_in_fl]

We were promised results yesterday afternoon!:devilish:

Hope I'm wrong, but you know what they say... if it sounds too good to be true....

[soltic]

Hoping that Marty from TKO can respond to my query re if the JMS unit has been modified in programming.

If programming is unchanged, I don't need the hard-mounting accessories and without them it appears the unit is $50 cheaper if ordered direct from JMS... Maybe TKO could match the JMS price and ditch the hard-mount for those who don't need it so we can give TKO the biz?

I did some research and the most info gained was through a Mustang forum where the common review is yes it works and is noticeable.

https://themustangsource.com/forums/f726/installed-jms-pedalmax-wow-532860/

There was one post where a very cautious person reminded everyone that failure of the JMS unit could result in uncontrolled throttle operation - he was called out as "Chicken Little", however it is of note. Post #48: https://themustangsource.com/forums/f726/installed-jms-pedalmax-wow-532860/index3/#post6871217

[13COBRA]

Group buys for a product that is relatively inexpensive to begin with are kinda ridiculous. If we keep nickel and diming the vendors that are willing to produce things for a platform that is no longer built, we're going to dig ourselves in a hole that we can't get out of.

BUT, c'mon man. Let's hear the results!

[ACR-ISH]

Subscribed!

This voids your warranty though?

It should not. It's not "detectable" by the ECU or otherwise. No footprint. Unless I understood wrong, but I don't think so.

[ACR-ISH]

BUT, c'mon man. Let's hear the results!

Okay... RESULTS:

Best. Money. Spent. EVER.

I'll work on posting videos, but for complete transparency I don't know how well the video translates the real world experience so I'll do my best to sum it up grammatically and post some vids after. Here's my complete run-down.

The Install: No bullshit, 13 minutes, in a parking lot in front of a furniture store. Why? So I got some vids of before the install, then stopped to install the controller to test Marty's "5 minute install." Now, if you're 5'10" and a buck sixty, that timing is probably accurate... but an inch shorter and 40lbs of muscle heavier, I can't squeeze under my dash well. The unit installed in 30 seconds. I didn't rivet the bracket, I double side taped the unit to the trans tunnel with the supplied 3m stickies. Worked like magic, no issues. Subsequently, spent the next 11 minutes tucking the wiring and running the controller's lead to the unit and installing it. Reconnected the battery. I still need to mount the adjuster, my dash is too slick for double side tape, even the 3M variety.

First Start: Produced a CEL. There are instructions to rid yourself of it. Just follow them and keep driving the car. The CEL went off after the first drive. Parked. Had a beer. No more CEL. Maybe having a brewski is the true fix? I'd ship that!

Driving: When I say the throttle is sensitive... I mean like clitoris-rivaling sensitive. HOLY SHIT, guys. Marty sent me %s for different driving situations and I thought it odd he said 20-50% for road racing... now I get it! Sensitive is an understatement to what this product achieves. I would lean towards PRECISE, and touchy above 50%. You can breath on the pedal and response will slap you in the forehead. I am beyond impressed.

Down shifting and heel toe is SPOT-ON. It revs up so quickly I had to chill a bit. Rollers, turned up to 100%, the car is insane. It throttles up so quickly it will actually give you flames in some situations when you throttle hard and back out. I kept it turned to about 30% for the rest of my back roads drive. It was sensitive enough to be precise, but didn't steer me into any trees, which I appreciated like hell.

It also makes the car a lot more to drive around town. With the increased throttle pick up, the flywheel lag seems to be 80% alleviated. It is responsive and quick to accelerate. Shifts are better, more precise. It pulls hard. It's amazing. If any of you drive diesels and have installed a stealth module, think of it akin to that, but with the option to be even touchier, if desired. ALSO... it did take about 5 minutes of driving before it became noticeable. Marty may want to jump in and explain why, or maybe it's normal... but first impression was: did it do anything? And within a few minutes it became RIDICULOUSLY obvious, yes... yes sir, it did.

I did not install the hot lead to light up the indicator. As Marty mentioned: "It will be VERY obvious it's working, the LED isn't bright, and the unit is hidden, so it's almost a moot point to install it."

I would be inclined to agree that all the fancy bracketry is not necessarily needed, but in fairness, some will choose to mount it as instructed, some wont. I can't think of anything else, specifically, to go over, so if you have a question just fire away. 5 stars, two thumbs up, even yours kids could install it, consider it an investment, my car is now fun to drive... ALWAYS. Looking forward to some more driving!

[phantomapollyon]

Okay... RESULTS:

Best. Money. Spent. EVER.

I'll work on posting videos, but for complete transparency I don't know how well the video translates the real world experience so I'll do my best to sum it up grammatically and post some vids after. Here's my complete run-down.

The Install: No bullshit, 13 minutes, in a parking lot in front of a furniture store. Why? So I got some vids of before the install, then stopped to install the controller to test Marty's "5 minute install." Now, if you're 5'10" and a buck sixty, that timing is probably accurate... but an inch shorter and 40lbs of muscle heavier, I can't squeeze under my dash well. The unit installed in 30 seconds. I didn't rivet the bracket, I double side taped the unit to the trans tunnel with the supplied 3m stickies. Worked like magic, no issues. Subsequently, spent the next 11 minutes tucking the wiring and running the controller's lead to the unit and installing it. Reconnected the battery. I still need to mount the adjuster, my dash is too slick for double side tape, even the 3M variety.

First Start: Produced a CEL. There are instructions to rid yourself of it. Just follow them and keep driving the car. The CEL went off after the first drive. Parked. Had a beer. No more CEL. Maybe having a brewski is the true fix? I'd ship that!

Driving: When I say the throttle is sensitive... I mean like clitoris-rivaling sensitive. HOLY SHIT, guys. Marty sent me %s for different driving situations and I thought it odd he said 20-50% for road racing... now I get it! Sensitive is an understatement to what this product achieves. I would lean towards PRECISE, and touchy above 50%. You can breath on the pedal and response will slap you in the forehead. I am beyond impressed.

Down shifting and heel toe is SPOT-ON. It revs up so quickly I had to chill a bit. Rollers, turned up to 100%, the car is insane. It throttles up so quickly it will actually give you flames in some situations when you throttle hard and back out. I kept it turned to about 30% for the rest of my back roads drive. It was sensitive enough to be precise, but didn't steer me into any trees, which I appreciated like hell.

It also makes the car a lot more to drive around town. With the increased throttle pick up, the flywheel lag seems to be 80% alleviated. It is responsive and quick to accelerate. Shifts are better, more precise. It pulls hard. It's amazing. If any of you drive diesels and have installed a stealth module, think of it akin to that, but with the option to be even touchier, if desired. ALSO... it did take about 5 minutes of driving before it became noticeable. Marty may want to jump in and explain why, or maybe it's normal... but first impression was: did it do anything? And within a few minutes it became RIDICULOUSLY obvious, yes... yes sir, it did.

I did not install the hot lead to light up the indicator. As Marty mentioned: "It will be VERY obvious it's working, the LED isn't bright, and the unit is hidden, so it's almost a moot point to install it."

I would be inclined to agree that all the fancy bracketry is not necessarily needed, but in fairness, some will choose to mount it as instructed, some wont. I can't think of anything else, specifically, to go over, so if you have a question just fire away. 5 stars, two thumbs up, even yours kids could install it, consider it an investment, my car is now fun to drive... ALWAYS. Looking forward to some more driving!

Thanks for your effort and time! I'm super happy to hear that it does what we're looking for it to do, sounds like a no-brainer purchase.

[ACR-ISH]

Thanks for your effort and time! I'm super happy to hear that it does what we're looking for it to do, sounds like a no-brainer purchase.

It really is, honestly. This is how the car should drive from the factory.

[ViperGeorge]

Okay... RESULTS:

Best. Money. Spent. EVER.

I'll work on posting videos, but for complete transparency I don't know how well the video translates the real world experience so I'll do my best to sum it up grammatically and post some vids after. Here's my complete run-down.

The Install: No bullshit, 13 minutes, in a parking lot in front of a furniture store. Why? So I got some vids of before the install, then stopped to install the controller to test Marty's "5 minute install." Now, if you're 5'10" and a buck sixty, that timing is probably accurate... but an inch shorter and 40lbs of muscle heavier, I can't squeeze under my dash well. The unit installed in 30 seconds. I didn't rivet the bracket, I double side taped the unit to the trans tunnel with the supplied 3m stickies. Worked like magic, no issues. Subsequently, spent the next 11 minutes tucking the wiring and running the controller's lead to the unit and installing it. Reconnected the battery. I still need to mount the adjuster, my dash is too slick for double side tape, even the 3M variety.

First Start: Produced a CEL. There are instructions to rid yourself of it. Just follow them and keep driving the car. The CEL went off after the first drive. Parked. Had a beer. No more CEL. Maybe having a brewski is the true fix? I'd ship that!

Driving: When I say the throttle is sensitive... I mean like clitoris-rivaling sensitive. HOLY SHIT, guys. Marty sent me %s for different driving situations and I thought it odd he said 20-50% for road racing... now I get it! Sensitive is an understatement to what this product achieves. I would lean towards PRECISE, and touchy above 50%. You can breath on the pedal and response will slap you in the forehead. I am beyond impressed.

Down shifting and heel toe is SPOT-ON. It revs up so quickly I had to chill a bit. Rollers, turned up to 100%, the car is insane. It throttles up so quickly it will actually give you flames in some situations when you throttle hard and back out. I kept it turned to about 30% for the rest of my back roads drive. It was sensitive enough to be precise, but didn't steer me into any trees, which I appreciated like hell.

It also makes the car a lot more to drive around town. With the increased throttle pick up, the flywheel lag seems to be 80% alleviated. It is responsive and quick to accelerate. Shifts are better, more precise. It pulls hard. It's amazing. If any of you drive diesels and have installed a stealth module, think of it akin to that, but with the option to be even touchier, if desired. ALSO... it did take about 5 minutes of driving before it became noticeable. Marty may want to jump in and explain why, or maybe it's normal... but first impression was: did it do anything? And within a few minutes it became RIDICULOUSLY obvious, yes... yes sir, it did.

I did not install the hot lead to light up the indicator. As Marty mentioned: "It will be VERY obvious it's working, the LED isn't bright, and the unit is hidden, so it's almost a moot point to install it."

I would be inclined to agree that all the fancy bracketry is not necessarily needed, but in fairness, some will choose to mount it as instructed, some wont. I can't think of anything else, specifically, to go over, so if you have a question just fire away. 5 stars, two thumbs up, even yours kids could install it, consider it an investment, my car is now fun to drive... ALWAYS. Looking forward to some more driving!

Just curious, do you know what code threw the CEL?

[13COBRA]

Woohoo! Great to hear!

[Viperpowered]

Just ordered mine earlier. Can't wait to check it out.

[ACR-ISH]

Just ordered mine earlier. Can't wait to check it out.

Excited to hear other's feedback! You're gonna love it! Now I'm excited for the Auto-Blip!

[13COBRA]

Excited to hear other's feedback! You're gonna love it! Now I'm excited for the Auto-Blip!

I love my Auto Blip, it's excellent. One step closer to keeping up with the fast P cars at the track.

[Scott_in_fl]

This is great news!!!

Can you expand on the install a bit. Specifically, where do you put all of the "stuff". I realize there are some mounting brackets, but it sounds like you just tucked things up under the dash with double sided tape to keep it out of the way. Can you post some pics of where this thing is sitting? I'm thinking in my mind that some zip ties might be a better solution than the tape but pics would confirm.

Thanks!

[ACR-ISH]

This is great news!!!

Can you expand on the install a bit. Specifically, where do you put all of the "stuff". I realize there are some mounting brackets, but it sounds like you just tucked things up under the dash with double sided tape to keep it out of the way. Can you post some pics of where this thing is sitting? I'm thinking in my mind that some zip ties might be a better solution than the tape but pics would confirm.

Thanks!


Okay here we go. This is my first YouTube posting, so sorry if I rant or something. Actually a pretty fun experience and a nice way to spend a Sunday!


https://youtu.be/rLEqyLF2JHw


https://youtu.be/Rhu94tOeEhA


https://youtu.be/wQFxBTFLqXo


https://youtu.be/8BN3HDSwHmg

[efnfast]

Ordering!

Is there any concerns about faults in the unit causing it to go haywire, or will the ECU's fail-safe just throw the dbw into limp mode?

[Ronin47]

Group buy !!

[Scott_in_fl]

Nice!

I think your first video was very good in showing the delay between pressing the pedal and obtaining a response at idle (movement of the knee is a good indicator).

Your last video would have benefitted from the same methodology because it is hard to tell what is going on at the pedal. Just IMHO.

[13COBRA]

Good question efnfast. We thoroughly test every product we mfg or offer. "Testing" we mean absolutely beat the sh-t out of it in the worst possible environment we can. We use pro drivers and amateur drivers so feed back is from both sides. Our only team order to all our drivers during testing is " try and break it". We have hundreds of hours on track with the Max throttle.....didn't skip a beat. Testing at Oregon Raceway Park we set a new ( unofficial) track record just screwing around. The viper we did it with was setup with many of the over 40 parts we manufacture for the dodge viper. Max throttle was one of those 40 parts and definitely played a role in low lap times.

Have you guys gotten the Gen IV version out yet? I was told a few weeks ago to look for it on the site, and haven't seen it yet.

[bullitt2735]

Testing at Oregon Raceway Park we set a new ( unofficial) track record just screwing around. The viper we did it with was setup with many of the over 40 parts we manufacture for the dodge viper. Max throttle was one of those 40 parts and definitely played a role in low lap times.

Glad you guys seems to really test your equipment, do you guys go out to oregon raceway park often to test? I'm not that far away and would love to see you guys run/talk shop with on gen viper parts some time

[Gen5snake]

Okay here we go. This is my first YouTube posting, so sorry if I rant or something. Actually a pretty fun experience and a nice way to spend a Sunday!


Looks good. Did you video to compare to the first video you posted?...idle/neutral throttle response compare after install?

[ACR-ISH]

Looks good. Did you video to compare to the first video you posted?...idle/neutral throttle response compare after install?

No...damnit... Video 101 I know. I was honestly SO FLIPPIN' EXCITED I didn't think to go Apples to Apples. I'll get some tonight or tomorrow. I'm telling you... BUY IT. If you don't like it, sell your Viper, because you don't like ridiculously fast shit.

[13COBRA]

Ordered!

[ACR-ISH]

BOOM!

[Scott_in_fl]

BUY IT. If you don't like it, sell your Viper, because you don't like ridiculously fast shit.

LOL, love this line!

[ACR-ISH]

LOL, love this line!

It's flippin' true. I watch people spend $1300 on carbon fiber trays that save 1-2lbs... this will LITERALLY make your car respond better and go faster for $339... What the f**k are you waiting for...?

[efnfast]

Have you guys gotten the Gen IV version out yet? I was told a few weeks ago to look for it on the site, and haven't seen it yet.

My understanding is the Gen IV version is the same as the Gen V version, at least when I emailed them to inquire.

[viperBase1]

My understanding is the Gen IV version is the same as the Gen V version, at least when I emailed them to inquire.

Yea the website says "2008 - 2017" for this product. Woohoo!

[13COBRA]

My understanding is the Gen IV version is the same as the Gen V version, at least when I emailed them to inquire.


Yea the website says "2008 - 2017" for this product. Woohoo!

Correct! Back in August it was listed as 2013-2017 Vipers and I was told the Gen IV option was coming.

Now it's here.

[ViperGTS14]

Looking to order today, good review thank you for sharing. Wasn't sure if this is the same as other units or specifically created just for the Vipers?

[ViperGTS14]

Thanks, TKO going to your site to check out what you guys have for the gen 5 now. Just ordered one of these threw my good buddy Torrie over at unleased. Thank you, everyone, for sharing this great product, excited to get mine and install!

[efnfast]

I ordered mine! Gimmie gimmie gimmie

[dsp300c]

So for daily driving what setting would you recommend on the dial?

[ACR-ISH]

So for daily driving what setting would you recommend on the dial?

I'd keep it 50 or below. It's REALLY sensitive approaching 50 and higher, but below about 25 your off idle begins to suck again... Fine tune it between 25 & 50% to your liking!

[blingnoring]

It's flippin' true. I watch people spend $1300 on carbon fiber trays that save 1-2lbs... this will LITERALLY make your car respond better and go faster for $339... What the f**k are you waiting for...?

ok Arizona might take offense to that statement :D:D:D

[Viperpowered]

Put mine on today. Super easy to install. Should have done this along time ago. Changed the car!! Started at 100% and it is extremely sensitive. Thanks TKO!!!

[Scott_in_fl]

Put mine on today..... Started at 100%....

LOL, I expected nothing less from a Viper owner!!! :)

[AZTVR]

Started at 100% and it is extremely sensitive. Thanks TKO!!!


LOL, I expected nothing less from a Viper owner!!! :)

TKO missed an opportunity to get more buyers from the Viper crowd here. They should have made it go up to 11. (Much better than the standard ones that just go to 10.) :)

[ACR-ISH]

TKO missed an opportunity to get more buyers from the Viper crowd here. They should have made it go up to 11. (Much better than the standard ones that just go to 10.) :)

What're you talking about, Jim... the TKO goes to 100!!!!

- - - Updated - - -


LOL, I expected nothing less from a Viper owner!!! :)

My thoughts exactly. No one needs THAT MUCH throttle response, trust me. :)

[ACR-ISH]

ok Arizona might take offense to that statement :D:D:D

Oh the Carbon Fiber Belly Pan is GORGEOUS and functional. I read the entire lead up to it's production... BUT... I'm just saying. You start looking for 2-3lbs incremental savings LONG after getting your lazy ass pedal fixed. Unless your Viper is always on a lift and walk under it daily. Also fair.

[13COBRA]

How long did it take you guys to get it?

[SA Heat]

Have you guys gotten the Gen IV version out yet? I was told a few weeks ago to look for it on the site, and haven't seen it yet.

Very interested as well.

Edit.... I just saw posts 101-103.

[cashcorn]

Sounds to good to be true! What percentage is required to make it feel like a direct cable, 100%?

[Viperpowered]

How long did it take you guys to get it?

I got mine in 1day because I overnighted the shipping.

[SA Heat]

Anyone installed one in a Gen IV yet?

[AZTVR]

What're you talking about, Jim... the TKO goes to 100!!!!
The Viper version should go to 110!

[ViperGeorge]

I used to have a similar device on another car. I can't even remember which car it was, could have been a Mustang. In any event the way it worked was that it ramped up the input from the pedal. In other words, if you pushed the pedal say 10% of its total the device adjusted the signal from the pedal to make it look like you actually pressed the pedal more, maybe 20%. This in theory increased pedal sensitivity. Is this the way the TKO device works?

[sharmut]

The variable adjustment is a nice feature.

@OP, thank you for posting the videos.

@Martin,
How would this integrate with an autoblip? In terms of the autoblip "Accelerator Pedal Position Sensor" connections, would you recommend tapping the autoblip before or after the TKO Throttle module?

[phantomapollyon]

I used to have a similar device on another car. I can't even remember which car it was, could have been a Mustang. In any event the way it worked was that it ramped up the input from the pedal. In other words, if you pushed the pedal say 10% of its total the device adjusted the signal from the pedal to make it look like you actually pressed the pedal more, maybe 20%. This in theory increased pedal sensitivity. Is this the way the TKO device works?

My understanding from talking to Martin is that it's more than a simple voltage adjustment like a lot of other solutions that I've seen. I'm sure they probably aren't going to divulge their secret sauce but I still assume it's similar.

[Scott_in_fl]

I used to have a similar device on another car. I can't even remember which car it was, could have been a Mustang. In any event the way it worked was that it ramped up the input from the pedal. In other words, if you pushed the pedal say 10% of its total the device adjusted the signal from the pedal to make it look like you actually pressed the pedal more, maybe 20%. This in theory increased pedal sensitivity. Is this the way the TKO device works?

Logically speaking, this is the only way it could work. Since it is not a flash or tune of the PCM/ECU, it must modify either the upstream signal from the pedal potentiometer into the PCM or the downstream signal from the ECU into the throttle servo.

Here, we know the MaxThrottle device sits on the upstream and modifies the signal into the PCM. The OEM setting in the PCM must have a map that applies some table of values to the incoming signal. That table was likely designed, as others have opined, for safety purposes and severely limits the response of the initial pedal movement.

If MaxThrottle did it right, they may have mapped the incoming and outgoing signals and discerned how they should ramp up the signal to eliminate the lag. In other words, the lag is obviously significant during the first 20% of the pedal movement, but then reduces from there such that there is no lag in the last 20% of the pedal movement. So, they may only be modifying the first 20%-50% and likely doing so on a sliding scale so that the ThrottleMax is only very lightly affecting the signal at 50% of the pedal travel.

But again, this is the only way to do it and thus, it would seem that ThrottleMax has done this nicely.

[soltic]

My understanding from talking to Martin is that it's more than a simple voltage adjustment like a lot of other solutions that I've seen. I'm sure they probably aren't going to divulge their secret sauce but I still assume it's similar.

If you want more info on the unit I recommend you call David Drake @ JMS direct as they are the manufacturer, the programming was custom made for the Viper and tested / developed on the JMS owner's Viper. Part # is PX1114DCX-6.

There are apparently others on this forum that have had the unit, while it appears the TKO supplied kit maybe a new find here, JMS has been producing these for a while...

[ACR-ISH]

@OP, thank you for posting the videos.

Did you mean me? Lol... it's okay. I forgive you...

[ACR-ISH]

Sounds to good to be true! What percentage is required to make it feel like a direct cable, 100%?

Kind of an open opinion question... I think at 50% you'd be happy. Above is for rollers and drag launches. Above 50% it will feel millimeters of pedal travel. Too touchy for a car that rides like board pulled by rope down an unpaved gravel driveway. You'd have whiplash for sure. But I think in the realm of 50% and less it's precise without being touchy. Let's get these things installed and get some more feedback, damnit!

[ViperGeorge]

Logically speaking, this is the only way it could work. Since it is not a flash or tune of the PCM/ECU, it must modify either the upstream signal from the pedal potentiometer into the PCM or the downstream signal from the ECU into the throttle servo.

Here, we know the MaxThrottle device sits on the upstream and modifies the signal into the PCM. The OEM setting in the PCM must have a map that applies some table of values to the incoming signal. That table was likely designed, as others have opined, for safety purposes and severely limits the response of the initial pedal movement.

If MaxThrottle did it right, they may have mapped the incoming and outgoing signals and discerned how they should ramp up the signal to eliminate the lag. In other words, the lag is obviously significant during the first 20% of the pedal movement, but then reduces from there such that there is no lag in the last 20% of the pedal movement. So, they may only be modifying the first 20%-50% and likely doing so on a sliding scale so that the ThrottleMax is only very lightly affecting the signal at 50% of the pedal travel.

But again, this is the only way to do it and thus, it would seem that ThrottleMax has done this nicely.

This is what I think as well. Maybe TKO will step in an respond. In any case the ramp up still has to end at 100% so there must be some kind of map that accelerates throttle response up to the max travel of the pedal. The question is though wouldn't pressing the pedal more aggressively have the same impact?

[soltic]

Not sure where you get your info Soltic but its pretty far from the truth.

Clearly stated who I spoke to @ JMS, if that person is mis-informed maybe you should take it up w/ JMS.

I called them direct as I didn't get a response in this thread when I queried (post 74) if there was any programming changes to what you are selling vs what JMS sells direct @ a $50 less for the unit and knob less the acoutrements I don't need in your kit.

I believe in transparency as the best policy, let me know if you have anything else you would like me to clarify.

[ACR-ISH]

The question is though wouldn't pressing the pedal more aggressively have the same impact?

I can't answer on the why, but I can answer your question. It's not about travel, it changes the sensitivity. If you plant the throttle it doesn't go any faster... there's no timing or tune change, it's how early the car detects the pedal travel.

Seriously... install it and you'll see... rather than snapping heads back on a downshift/hit... you'll do it just tapping the pedal. It pulls hard from the hit all the way to the floor. Response, not travel. Hopefully my lame-mens terms translate and make sense.

[kriskyk]

I for one am just glad there are performance shops creating solutions for our cars given the low production numbers....not sure what's the point in burning bridges over trivial points...semantics...

Thanks TKO!

Would love to see some pics of your fabricated suspension arms setup sometime!

[ACR-ISH]

I called them direct as I didn't get a response in this thread when I queried (post 74) if there was any programming changes to what you are selling vs what JMS sells direct @ a $50 less for the unit and knob less the accouterments* I don't need in your kit.

Martin/Marty has been pretty quick to respond in respect to also being at work... if you need a quick answer, maybe calling TKO (also) would have been a good resolve? You called JMS, but understand, no company (in their right mind) is going to down-sell their own product or recommend another vendors similar product, while a different vendor/tuner, may be happy to state differences. He also may not want to disclose the changes on an open forum since they spent time, money and energy developing it.

I think you guys are both answering each others' questions just fine, there's just some lag. Marty clearly stated they did their own tuning on their own Viper vs. the JMS Viper. Obviously there were changes if it was developed and tuned on a different car.

Also, some may love the bracketry to mount. It is definitely a comprehensive kit, and the instruction are clear as they can be, also covering possible fixes to installation issues.

Just my 2 cents. I'm sure Marty will get back to you when he has some time, or shoot him a call as he stated above. Probably easier over the phone anyway!

[ViperGeorge]

I can't answer on the why, but I can answer your question. It's not about travel, it changes the sensitivity. If you plant the throttle it doesn't go any faster... there's no timing or tune change, it's how early the car detects the pedal travel.

Seriously... install it and you'll see... rather than snapping heads back on a downshift/hit... you'll do it just tapping the pedal. It pulls hard from the hit all the way to the floor. Response, not travel. Hopefully my lame-mens terms translate and make sense.

Actually that makes sense. Without the device the PCM still has to register the first part of pedal travel and then tell the throttle bodies what to do. I guess with the device it registers that travel faster.

[ViperGeorge]

We dont hide or B.S. our customers. We are as transparent as possible without giving away any information that is proprietary or patent pending . If your one of our customers you know how we work. If your not a TKO customer yet the following might be a little foreign to you.

1. We are always available phone, email, and text for product support, track support, set up info or technical advice 775-857-913, martin@tkomotorsports.com
2. If your our customer and you see us at the track you are always welcome to pit with us and receive support from our engineers and race crew. Your our customer no matter if you purchased our
23.00 dollar seat belt simulators or you bought one of our Viper GT3R racecars built for the street.
3. We design, engineer and manufacture professional grade motorsports parts and products. If we do partner with outside vendors ( like JMS) we only work with the best in the industry. If you want
fast and furious, Tokyo drift make be-leave parts for your viper we aint your guys.

Thanks for all the work you do on the Viper. The Viper Nation needs vendors like you guys.

[ACR-ISH]

Thanks for all the work you do on the Viper. The Viper Nation needs vendors like you guys.

^^^^^ +1 +1

[Scott_in_fl]

^^^ Yes, indeed!!!

[sharmut]

I made several inquiries to TKO over the last year and Marty always exercised responsiveness as well as forth coming and informative. Great addition to the Viper community.

[soltic]

Martin/Marty has been pretty quick to respond in respect to also being at work... if you need a quick answer, maybe calling TKO (also) would have been a good resolve? You called JMS, but understand, no company (in their right mind) is going to down-sell their own product or recommend another vendors similar product, while a different vendor/tuner, may be happy to state differences. He also may not want to disclose the changes on an open forum since they spent time, money and energy developing it.

I understand your excitement in seemingly finding a new product and introducing it to the forum all the while receiving some apparently good communication from TKO.

I know it feels great to be supporting the forum and such however this is rather simple, they didn't respond to my query so I called JMS and when they confirmed it is the same unit I ordered it then and there and apparently saved $50.

You did your research w/ TKO, I did some thru JMS, we both reported the options to the forum.

If Marty didn’t like what the employee at JMS had to say that’s between them, personally I don’t think either are trying to obfuscate the situation.

[soltic]

We dont hide or B.S. our customers. We are as transparent as possible without giving away any information that is proprietary or patent pending . If your one of our customers you know how we work. If your not a TKO customer yet the following might be a little foreign to you.

1. We are always available phone, email, and text for product support, track support, set up info or technical advice 775-857-913, martin@tkomotorsports.com
2. If your our customer and you see us at the track you are always welcome to pit with us and receive support from our engineers and race crew. Your our customer no matter if you purchased our
23.00 dollar seat belt simulators or you bought one of our Viper GT3R racecars built for the street.
3. We design, engineer and manufacture professional grade motorsports parts and products. If we do partner with outside vendors ( like JMS) we only work with the best in the industry. If you want
fast and furious, Tokyo drift make be-leave parts for your viper we aint your guys.

Marty, when I mentioned transparency, again, it was in respect to anything I could offer in regards to the exchange w/ JMS - I didn’t insinuate any bs w/ your company, just stated what I got from JMS for the forum’s knowledge.

In fact in researching your co it does look like you are producing some great product and offer great track support, kudos.

After 3 years I however am relegating my 4th (and final) ACR-E into street use only and really in no need of much product except the pedalmax unit and possibly a tune or controller - I stay track-centric w/ a well known TA2 car.

As per my post 74, maybe matching JMS pricing and deleting the mount portion of the kit can offer more price flexibility to VOA members.

[Viperpowered]

If I had the money I would buy every part TKO offers for the viper. I can't believe people snivel over 50 bucks on a part that does wonders for our cars! ITS A VIPER not a Camaro!!

[Ronin47]

I'd rather pay the extra $50 to support a shop that supports us.

[soltic]

Well, you have options - and some have more money than others.

And maybe, depending upon how many orders they get or the perceived value of clientele on this forum, TKO will become a sponsoring vendor and support the VOA on that level.

[13COBRA]

Anyone installed one in a Gen IV yet?

I will this weekend. I just got it in the mail yesterday.

[soltic]

I'd rather pay the extra $50 to support a shop that supports us.

So being that there is a product (diffusers) that both TKO and DSE sell at quite a varying cost difference who would you give the business to?

DSE is a supporting vendor and quite a bit cheaper....

Sorry to ask what appears like a banal question / "snivel", just interested.

[Scott_in_fl]

^^^ The hell with diffusers, this is what we really want:

https://tkomotorsports.com/product/carbon-fiber-body/

[Bryan Savage]

^^^ The hell with diffusers, this is what we really want:

https://tkomotorsports.com/product/carbon-fiber-body/

I already asked. It ain't exactly bolt-on. LOL

[TrackAire]

I will this weekend. I just got it in the mail yesterday.

I'm looking forward to your review and assessment. I'd really like to have your opinion on the throttle tip in response instead of the delayed response for the first 20% of the throttle travel we seem to have now. I just want a linear response through the complete throttle travel distance. I really don't need "faster" throttle body movement, my right foot is plenty fast enough. It's having the ability to manipulate the throttle though its entire length of travel in a predictable fashion that I desire.

On my Sprint Booster throttle enhancer, it has three settings. Stock, medium and aggressive. On aggressive, the throttle is too reactive towards the middle or higher part of throttle travel that I have a hard time using it on the road course because in sweeping corners, any slight bump in the surface can make my foot move ever so slightly and the over "reactive" throttle response moves the throttle body too much and can cause the rear tires to spin and potentially spin out on the track.

I've had the Sprint unit for at least 8 years and I think the cars computer has actually adjusted to it a little. Maybe that's just my perception, I don't know.

If every car had the same throttle lag response as the Vipers, it wouldn't be an issue as we'd be used to it. But when your track Mustang and Corvette just work like a normal car, it's hard for me to get use to the Viper's throttle compared to the other cars I drive.

The Viper would actually be a safer car to drive on the street and track if the throttle travel response was linear instead of how it is set up from the factor IMO.

[catwood]

^^^ The hell with diffusers, this is what we really want:

https://tkomotorsports.com/product/carbon-fiber-body/

Could you fit that to a Gev IV?

[13COBRA]

Could you fit that to a Gev IV?

Not that one, but they do offer CF body panels for a Gen IV.

[SA Heat]

I will this weekend. I just got it in the mail yesterday.

Cool....I started a thread on the Gen 3/4 forum if you'd like to respond there too (however, it's like a tomb over there compared to the Gen 5 forum ;)).

[Scott_in_fl]

Not that one, but they do offer CF body panels for a Gen IV.

Since the molds are obviously already made, TKO should offer a lower cost alternative with fiberglass or FRP (even though I don't know the cost of the carbon pieces, I imagine it is scary). Would be a really cool project to build one up, and most would be painting it anyway.

[ACR-ISH]

I'd rather pay the extra $50 to support a shop that supports us.

+1 .... actually... +2

FYI TKO actually HEAVILY contributed to the Viper Quarterly Magazine which in turn supports this forum. Well north of $15k on full page ads... so they are currently supporting us, just choosing to do it in a different way. I actually originally found them in my Viper Quarterly Magazine. Hence why no moderator is stopping them from talking about their products here.

:)

[ACR-ISH]

So being that there is a product (diffusers) that both TKO and DSE sell at quite a varying cost difference who would you give the business to?

DSE is a supporting vendor and quite a bit cheaper....

Sorry to ask what appears like a banal question / "snivel", just interested.

Again... why don't you call Martin and ask the difference between the two disfussers and the products in general. His #: T: 775 857-1913

FYI the TKO isn't released yet, only the strakes.

It's not the vendor's job to have an open discussion and compete here. It's their job to showcase a product or let us know it exists and offer support. From there, choose whoever the heck you'd like to buy from. But asking us who to give your business to... I don't think any of us care who you give it to. It's your money. Ask about the products directly (call them both, ask pertinent questions) and make a decision. You've clearly owned a billion Vipers, I'm sure you'll come to the right conclusion. You know what your needs are, choose the product that fits your needs based on the information you collect.

[ACR-ISH]

I already asked. It ain't exactly bolt-on. LOL

Yeah... he told me "It's not cheap... but it's nice." Then followed up with an email laying out the build they're currently doing with the composite body. VERY sick.

[ACR-ISH]

I'm looking forward to your review and assessment. I'd really like to have your opinion on the throttle tip in response instead of the delayed response for the first 20% of the throttle travel we seem to have now. I just want a linear response through the complete throttle travel distance. I really don't need "faster" throttle body movement, my right foot is plenty fast enough. It's having the ability to manipulate the throttle though its entire length of travel in a predictable fashion that I desire.

I went over this pretty thoroughly. If the above is what you're looking for, THIS IS YOUR PRODUCT.

[Ronin47]

So being that there is a product (diffusers) that both TKO and DSE sell at quite a varying cost difference who would you give the business to?

DSE is a supporting vendor and quite a bit cheaper....

Sorry to ask what appears like a banal question / "snivel", just interested.

I have good experience with both shops and i spread the love equally lol.

[ViperGTS14]

I'm excited too to get mine, my apologies for not support TKO by purchasing elsewhere. The only reason I went with Torrie is that he is my tuner and wanted to support him as well. https://unleashedtuning.com/jms-pedal-max-2008-2017-viper/ All of the Viper vendors and owners are really nice, don't think there should be any pissing matches for products. Pricing will always vary for whatever reason, just glad we all are able to get this product and enjoy the better throttle responses. Will report back on the different, hopefully it helps with my 2nd to 3rd shifting. This has always been my issues since for a breif second the throttle feels dead, as if you have to adpart and use throttle a head of time when your head / toeing. LOL

[Viperpowered]

I been out testing this product all day. I found the sweet spot to be around 60%. 100% is too touchy and you have to be careful on the street. Initial tip-in still has some lag but doesn't seem to be as bad as factory. It makes the car funner to drive for sure! After driving it at 60 to 100% and then putting it at zero you really see how lagging it is in stock form. Again, this is a great product, just buy it!!!

[ACR-ISH]

After driving it at 60 to 100% and then putting it at zero you really see how lagging it is in stock form. Again, this is a great product, just buy it!!!

Yeah... it's definitely not placebo and it's awesome to be able to verify that!

[Simms]

^^^ The hell with diffusers, this is what we really want:

https://tkomotorsports.com/product/carbon-fiber-body/

Those look like the panels from Riley.

[soltic]

From there, choose whoever the heck you'd like to buy from. But asking us who to give your business to... I don't think any of us care who you give it to. It's your money. Ask about the products directly (call them both, ask pertinent questions) and make a decision.

Dude, didn't ask you the question but thanks for giving your opinion, in fact what you described is exactly what I did - vetted the product and reported back to the forum a pricing option and what JMS told me.

In the long run, can't help but feeling a little insulted by the insinuation of not supporting the appropriate vendor or "sniveling" over $50.

Truly, don't need the drama in trying to contribute to the forum in what I see as a healthy manner.

Look forward to getting my pedalmax unit, thanks for the heads-up.

[Brian GTS]

The solution to this problem....get a Gen II. :)

[ACR-ISH]

Dude, didn't ask you the question but thanks for giving your opinion...

It was an open ended question... so you didn't ask anyone specifically. If you'd read TKO's site, their rear diffuser isn't even available so it was like comparing the C8 Corvette to Tesla's flying electric coupe. Oh wait... they don't have one, yet.

I guess I could say, "Right back atcha!" since literally no one here asked for your opinion, where as everyone was waiting on my experience with the TKO. You kinda just came in like a seagull... and starting shitting on everything unsolicited.

At the end of the day... zero beef dude. I literally don't care enough. Enjoy your JMS and we will enjoy our TKOs. We all have our preferred vendors and most of this thread is related to ME testing a product and reporting back, not comparing the two. I'm sure they both work well and we will all enjoy whatever controller we end up with. Have a great weekend, buddy! (Everyone else, too!) I know I'll enjoy mine because my controller is already installed! Drove it to work actually... sweet spot is RIGHT ABOVE 50%... so much fun.

:bth_smiley_formula1 #becauseracecar

[SilveRT8]

It was an open ended question... so you didn't ask anyone specifically. If you'd read TKO's site, their rear diffuser isn't even available so it was like comparing the C8 Corvette to Tesla's flying electric coupe. Oh wait... they don't have one, yet.

I guess I could say, "Right back atcha!" since literally no one here asked for your opinion, where as everyone was waiting on my experience with the TKO. You kinda just came in like a seagull... and starting shitting on everything unsolicited.

At the end of the day... zero beef dude. I literally don't care enough. Enjoy your JMS and we will enjoy our TKOs. We all have our preferred vendors and most of this thread is related to ME testing a product and reporting back, not comparing the two. I'm sure they both work well and we will all enjoy whatever controller we end up with. Have a great weekend, buddy! (Everyone else, too!) I know I'll enjoy mine because my controller is already installed! Drove it to work actually... sweet spot is RIGHT ABOVE 50%... so much fun.

:bth_smiley_formula1 #becauseracecar

Well said !

[efnfast]

Did you guys get shipping/tracking information after your order?

I ordered on Monday and I still don't have any shipping information and they arn't writing back to my email.

[TheMadMachinist]

Order Placed, This thing sounds like a winner.

Do we get a discount if we order a second one?

Never hurts to ask.......

[sharmut]

Order placed. Depending on when it arrives, may be possible to test with an AutoBlip in the path.

[13COBRA]

Did you guys get shipping/tracking information after your order?

I ordered on Monday and I still don't have any shipping information and they arn't writing back to my email.

No, it just showed up a couple of days later.

[ViperGTS14]

Installed and loving it. I currently left it at 70 and it seems fine to me there. The hardest part is bending my body to get under there to install lol. Feels like a different car shifting, very pleased with this mod.

[LuvSpeed]

Order placed. Depending on when it arrives, may be possible to test with an AutoBlip in the path.

I already have auto blip installed on my car. I would like to get your opinion after you install max throttle.

[bulitt]

Appears to be another product on the market also- Pedal Commander.
Simple install.
Offers a bluetooth connection to your phone app. So no additional wire/controller knob.
Can select pre-set programs and then increase or decrease sensitivity.
299$ And have seen 5-10% discounts on Instagram

https://pedalcommander.com/products/pedal-commander-pc31-bluetooth?rq=yr_2008~mk_dodge~md_viper~rk_srt-10~qj_8-4


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YREmD52pexM

TKO sems fairly proven tho.
No JMS Viper videos.

[ViperGTS14]

I already have auto blip installed on my car. I would like to get your opinion after you install max throttle.

Can you tell me more about this auto blip? Do you have it installed and do you like it? Its it like rev matching or something different?

[13COBRA]

Can you tell me more about this auto blip? Do you have it installed and do you like it? Its it like rev matching or something different?

It's like rev matching. I have it on mine, and absolutely love it.

[ViperGTS14]

It's like rev matching. I have it on mine, and absolutely love it.

Would you point me to a link for this product?

[13COBRA]

Would you point me to a link for this product?

https://auto-blip.com/auto-blip

[ViperGTS14]

https://auto-blip.com/auto-blip

Thanks, did a search once i had the name.

https://driveviper.com/forums/threads/20639-Auto-Blip-intelligent-downshifts?highlight=AUTO-BLiP

https://driveviper.com/forums/threads/18803-Blip-Shift-Box

[kriskyk]

Thanks, did a search once i had the name.

https://driveviper.com/forums/threads/20639-Auto-Blip-intelligent-downshifts?highlight=AUTO-BLiP

https://driveviper.com/forums/threads/18803-Blip-Shift-Box

TKO is about to release there own version if your not in a rush....

[ViperGeorge]

TKO is about to release there own version if your not in a rush....

Will their version be easier to install than the Autoblip one? I have an Autoblip but haven't installed it yet. I tried once.

[13COBRA]

Will their version be easier to install than the Autoblip one? I have an Autoblip but haven't installed it yet. I tried once.

It's difficult on a Gen V... I bet it took me 30 minutes on my Gen IV (Speaking of Auto-Blip).

[ViperGTS14]

Interesting about TKO's, will be watching

[bulitt]

I will this weekend. I just got it in the mail yesterday.

13Cobra did you have the opportunity to install and test the pedalmax on your Gen4?
Thx!

[13COBRA]

13Cobra did you have the opportunity to install and test the pedalmax on your Gen4?
Thx!

I did not, I suck. I'm 6'1" 220lbs, so it's kinda hard to become a contortionist to get under the dash. My Tillett seats I ordered from Doug Shelby should be here this week so while I have the seats out I'm going to throw it in!

[bulitt]

Lol. Thx!

Spent the weekend researching reviews on pedal/throttle/DBW controllers. Seems from the reviews, most throw codes, or go into limp mode, or the advertised bluetooth feature doesn't work well, or are basically linear controls, or have no adjust-ability etc. Very few Viper specific reviews/videos available.

IMHO There is no substitute for performing hands-on testing and development on a specific vehicle as TKO has done for the Viper. And I think along those lines- "extensive testing and large Data-Set's" as TKO has generated, are operative words.

[Ronin47]

I did not, I suck. I'm 6'1" 220lbs, so it's kinda hard to become a contortionist to get under the dash. My Tillett seats I ordered from Doug Shelby should be here this week so while I have the seats out I'm going to throw it in!

It's alot easier with the seat out of the way.

[ViperGeorge]

You are absolutely correct Bulitt. No replacement for hands on products testing. We know from professional racing that blue tooth is problematic at best. Two way radio interference can cause problems with many types of wireless controls. We also use a simple knob control so you can adjust on the fly; Phone apps on track just not safe. Wired in adjustment knobs for critical controls is professional motorsports standard and thats what we work with. Once again like you said, testing, and experience is always the best.

Any chance you could post on your website or email me installation instructions? I'd like to see how hard it is to install, I'm not getting any younger and twisting around for a while under the dash could send me to the Chiropractor for a month. I could do a short stint with little to no harm.

[Ronin47]

Any chance you could post on your website or email me installation instructions? I'd like to see how hard it is to install, I'm not getting any younger and twisting around for a while under the dash could send me to the Chiropractor for a month. I could do a short stint with little to no harm.

You really don't need any instructions. Just unclip the harness that's connected to your gas pedal and connect the tko unit to it. Use double sided tape to secure the tko unit to the trans tunnel. You can also use double sided tape on the adjuster and secure it on the steering column.

[ViperGeorge]

You really don't need any instructions. Just unclip the harness that's connected to your gas pedal and connect the tko unit to it. Use double sided tape to secure the tko unit to the trans tunnel. You can also use double sided tape on the adjuster and secure it on the steering column.

That sounds super easy!

[sharmut]

@ViperGeorge I finished my install earlier today. It's really easy to install the module, unplug the accelarator pedal connector and plug the ThrottleMAX inline. Installed foam padded tape to the back of the module and zip tied to the pedal motor. The most time consuming part for me was installing the control knob, which double-side taped to the top of the windshield and routed the cable down along the a-pillar to the module. Already had most the car apart while installing the autoblip.

[viperBase1]

TKO is about to release there own version if your not in a rush....


You are absolutely correct Bulitt. No replacement for hands on products testing. We know from professional racing that blue tooth is problematic at best. Two way radio interference can cause problems with many types of wireless controls. We also use a simple knob control so you can adjust on the fly; Phone apps on track just not safe. Wired in adjustment knobs for critical controls is professional motorsports standard and thats what we work with. Once again like you said, testing, and experience is always the best.
Hey TKO, any ETA on your rev-matching device?

[13COBRA]

Any chance you could post on your website or email me installation instructions? I'd like to see how hard it is to install, I'm not getting any younger and twisting around for a while under the dash could send me to the Chiropractor for a month. I could do a short stint with little to no harm.

Super easy install. I was swapping in my Tillett seats at the same time, so it was even easier.

It takes 0 mechanical knowledge.

[Scott_in_fl]

As the OP, I can say that throttle lag is something that I always pay a good bit of attention to in all my cars. So, when there is an improvement, I take notice.

Well, I have some good news. This past week I finally got around to installing my Jon B HF cats (pic below) and wow, it actually seems like the throttle response has dramatically improved. There is still some slight delay with the very initial tip in off idle, but everything else is much cleaner and responsive.

I'm still in for the TKO product, but now I'd just be finessing the throttle feel and probably would not use much of the available adjustment.

This might also help explain why cars with H/C or 9L installs do not feel the lag (beyond the fact that the tune may also dial some of it out). It could be that the freer breathing exhaust does not choke as badly the initial pulse of exhaust waves and allows off idle response to improve on its own. The car also feels like it pulls great.

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[ViperGTS14]

Hey Scott, wow does that look great! Does he still offer these and will it blow a check engine light?

[Scott_in_fl]

Hey Scott, wow does that look great! Does he still offer these and will it blow a check engine light?

It is great. The difference in sound and feel is very noticeable. An excellent upgrade imo. No CEL, although I did use some O2 extenders that I found on Amazon after reading about others using them. I figured that it was cheap insurance against the CEL. It worked out well.

[ViperGTS14]

Sounds good, I'm in contact with them now trying to get pricing. Seems there is a difference in cat quality. They are asking if my viper is stock, i'm stating yes ... for the time being. What cats did they do for you?

[sharmut]

To anyone using the ThrottleMAX with an AutoBlip. When tapping into the accelarator pedal, make sure you connect the AutoBlip red and green lines closest to the pedal side. I made the mistake of tapping on the output side of the throttleMAX while it worked, it also caused my dash to go blank briefly when the AutoBlip blips the throttle.
This is the output side connector:
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This is the connector to solder:
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Here's another perspective of the connector:
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[13COBRA]

We now offer 2 types of our max throttle kit for the 2008-2017 viper.

TKOSROD1475K- PX1114DCX6 2008-2017 QUICK TRACK INSTALL VIPER ADJUSTABLE MAX THROTTLE RESPONSE KIT 308.95 for the occasional track driver

TKOSROD1399K-PX1114DCX6 2008-2017 PRO COMPETITION VIPER ADJUSTABLE MAX THROTTLE RESPONSE KIT 338.00 for the serious track junkie and competitor who needs to pas inspection

The function of both kits is exactly the same; Quicker more precise throttle response that you can adjust on the fly. We had alot of customers who opted to do quick installs with our max throttle kit ; Literally install the max throttle at the track just before their session. Then we had our customers who would perform the complete professional install using our billet mounting bracket with rivets and our wire harness for the status light and steer column mounted adjuster knob. To make all our customers happy and offer better pricing we now have two kits.

Kind of you guys.

The mounting bracket is good looking.

I did a half/half install. I didn't run the wire harness for the status light. A quick spin of the knob and I know if it's functioning or not haha

[cashcorn]

Looks like a great option! Has anybody just cut off the second cat and installed a straight pipe.. Must be similar results on the dyno? Plus, you get to keep the second exhaust hanger therefore no need to worry about vibrations.. just thinking out loud :)

[cashcorn]

opps.. wrong thread.

[sharmut]

@TKO MOTORSPORTS TEAM
I read the install manual but having difficulties grasping the exact location based on the text description. Do you have an image of the bracket installation on a Gen V viper?

[13COBRA]

@TKO MOTORSPORTS TEAM
I read the install manual but having difficulties grasping the exact location based on the text description. Do you have an image of the bracket installation on a Gen V viper?

I'm going to run home in an hour and I'll post a picture.

[SilveRT8]

RUN Forrest RUN !!!!

[ViperGeorge]

Hello Sharmut. We have install instructions on our website tkomotorsports.com for the max throttle mounting bracket. Even with pics its hard to show exactly how the bracket mounts to the trans tunnel just aft of the throttle pedal. The footl well area of the viper is difficult to get clear pics. If after looking at the pics you dont understand let me know and I will see if we can get you some pics that will help make it clear how it mounts.

I have the instructions (thanks for emailing them Martin) and can see the picture, see below. Mounting location seems pretty clear to me. I can't actually find the picture on your website though.

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[ViperGeorge]

Here's the mounting of the control dial.

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[13COBRA]

George wins! haha I mounted mine a little more forward than the picture above.

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Also, Sharmut... you're right. While I was home I took it out for a quick spirited drive with the Auto-Blip on (hadn't tested it yet with the Max Throttle). After the addition of the Max Throttle kit, the Auto-Blip is tied in between the Max Throttle box and the drivetrain. So I need to connect it BEFORE the Max Throttle kit.

It kicked in to limp mode on the 2nd downshift with Auto-Blip and the ETC (Electronic Throttle Contorl) Light started flashing and my speed was limited to 20mph or so. I turned off the Auto-Blip, turned the car off, restarted and all was fine. So I'll get that switched over today.

I can't thank you enough, as I probably wouldn't have even tired it before getting to the track next weekend.

[catwood]

I just bought one. I hope it's as good as it says

[13COBRA]

I just bought one. I hope it's as good as it says

You won't regret it.

[13COBRA]

Also, just reporting back...got the wires for the Auto-Blip relocated, and everything is good to go. Thanks!

[Special Ed]

I ordered my max throttle from TKO a little over ten days ago. Two days after placing the order I received an email explaining that due to overwhelming demand (VOA Members) that i would get my unit on 10/15. I received the unit on Monday 10/14. I installed it today. It takes five minutes to install if you are a flexible 100# 14 year old. For a 6'1" 240# no longer limber 66 year old it takes longer and words I haven't used in some time.

The results are outstanding. The car feels like it has an additional 50 to 80 hp at shift changes, it really set you back in your seat. For me setting at 60-70 feels right for normal driving any more and the throttle becomes extremely touchy.

Bring on your rev matching kit.

[ViperGTS14]

Boy, you guys are mounting them clean! I used zip ties to hold mine up lol. Still, haven't found where I want to put the adjustment knob yet.

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I ordered my max throttle from TKO a little over ten days ago. Two days after placing the order I received an email explaining that due to overwhelming demand (VOA Members) that i would get my unit on 10/15. I received the unit on Monday 10/14. I installed it today. It takes five minutes to install if you are a flexible 100# 14 year old. For a 6'1" 240# no longer limber 66 year old it takes longer and words I haven't used in some time.

The results are outstanding. The car feels like it has an additional 50 to 80 hp at shift changes, it really set you back in your seat. For me setting at 60-70 feels right for normal driving any more and the throttle becomes extremely touchy.

Bring on your rev matching kit.

Your setting is how I have mine too. Seem good there though I may increase it as time goes on. Good to hear others are really enjoying this tool too.

[ViperGeorge]

By the way, for those with an older Autoblip, not sure how old it has to be, there is a problem with the software according to the guys at Complete Performance. I don't remember what exactly the issue is but they say newer units have a different calibration. They suggested I send my uninstalled unit back for an update.

[darbgnik]

Exciting thread.

A couple questions for TKO:

-Is it possible to remove the knob, if a guy found a setting he liked? Some guys aren't interested in extra buttons here and there.
-When will your version of the auto blip arrive? Some people whose cars hibernate through the winter can wait longer than others.......
-Would it be possible for the throttle max and your auto blip to arrive with more in-line harnesses than the auto-blip. ie. less cutting into the car.

thanks in advance

[Ronin47]

Exciting thread.

A couple questions for TKO:

-Is it possible to remove the knob, if a guy found a setting he liked? Some guys aren't interested in extra buttons here and there.


The unit is set at 60% by itself, so yeah you dont have to connect the adjuster.

[SLP]

Will this kit work for cars tuned by HP Tuners? Can throttle response be changed with HP Tuners itself or is there still a benefit to having this product? I know a lot of people have H/C cars tuned with HP tuners and would like to know the effect.

[13COBRA]

Will this kit work for cars tuned by HP Tuners? Can throttle response be changed with HP Tuners itself or is there still a benefit to having this product? I know a lot of people have H/C cars tuned with HP tuners and would like to know the effect.

This will work with your car.

It basically just increases the amount of throttle the computer thinks you're giving it.

For example. If you press the throttle down 30% in 3rd gear in stock form, it knows you're giving it 30% so it responds accordingly. If you have the Max Throttle installed turned up to say 25%, and you give the throttle 30% the computer reads it as you're giving it 45% (guess).

[cashcorn]

just ordered, i'm intrigued! lets see..

[sharmut]

Completed an HPDE event today with the Autoblip and ThrottleMAX. Took a couple of 20min sessions to get it dialed in. I started with the duration and delay with the dials at the center. After the 2 sessions, the duration remained in the center(12:00 o'clock) and the delay at 10:00 o'clock.
The ThrottleMAX is even nore impressive than i anticipated even at the 20% setting. The throttle is noticeable more responsive, without being manic to unsettle the car when you go over a bump from my foot moving. TKO you have a winner, as if yor didn't already know. We had a few ACRs out today, you will likely sell more of these.
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[ViperGeorge]

Completed an HPDE event today with the Autoblip and ThrottleMAX. Took a couple of 20min sessions to get it dialed in. I started with the duration and delay with the dials at the center. After the 2 sessions, the duration remained in the center(12:00 o'clock) and the delay at 10:00 o'clock.
The ThrottleMAX is even nore impressive than i anticipated even at the 20% setting. The throttle is noticeable more responsive, without being manic to unsettle the car when you go over a bump from my foot moving. TKO you have a winner, as if yor didn't already know. We had a few ACRs out today, you will likely sell more of these.
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What was the impact on your lap times?

[ACR-ISH]

Nice Sharmut. Glad to hear your having a good time at T hill and the Max throttle is doing its job. We have a few other customers there at T-hill with you R8s , Porsche etc sounds like everyone is having a great time for a good cause. We make many more parts for your viper that will increase performance of your viper shocks, aero, exhaust, seats etc.
1-3 seconds lower lap times with Max throttle is what we saw in testing.

My car should have been in that picture... stupid wheels issues. :( loooking forward to Sonoma the 28th if anyone else is going shoot me a PM!

[TheMadMachinist]

So I am having a hell of a time removing the connector from the throttle peddle. I have alway been electrically challenged this includes connectors. Is there a clip/button that I need to push to unlock the darn thing.

Or is this only happening because I am pretty much upside down and half turned around backwards and standing on my head to be able access this gem of a electrical connector.

Any help would be appreciated.

[cashcorn]

thanks in advance.. hopefully, to be delivered next week :) Greg

[13COBRA]

Martin you guys are awesome.

Yes, the red clip should push AWAY from the connection with the throttle, then at that point you can pop off the connector.

[13COBRA]

Thank you 13cobra appreciate that.......I think we got madmachinist hooked up now. hopefully he is out driving around with a big smile on his face.

Good deal! I drove mine in today.. your guys' max throttle kit makes it like a whole new car. Looking forward to the lap times next weekend!

[ACR-ISH]

Good deal! I drove mine in today.. your guys' max throttle kit makes it like a whole new car. Looking forward to the lap times next weekend!

God I love being right. :)

I'm glad I didn't steer like 20 people wrong! Thanks again, Marty!

[catwood]

Got it delivered on Friday as I was headed out of town. Installed today after lunch. Word of warning, don't install after lunch.

I ordered the full kit. As it turns out, I didn't need any of it, just the box and the knob. The install went quick even though I had to get out several times from under the dash. I tie-wrapped everything in avoiding the steering shaft including the "box" I did a quick test drive and settled on just under 50%. I noticed that at steady state turning the knob made the car accelerate slightly so I'm assuming this just changes the voltage on the input to trigger more throttle. The throttle was crisp and responsive as advertised. My heal and toe needs to be relearned as I was overshooting the rev match. I think that shows how bad the throttle was before. I didn't mount the adjustment knob but I hid it out of place. I can grab it and have it available for changes on street if needed but i don't think it's one of those things I'll play with much. It will be set and forget. In fact I may unplug it and see how much I like 60% later once I get used to this setting. It's a nice piece of hardware and seems very well put together.

[cashcorn]

awesome to here.. received mine today. will install tomorrow i'll follow up..

[ACR-ISH]

no THANK YOU. Make sure keep me in the loop on the wheels problem and fix.

Marty - Will do! Thanks for all your help and apologies for pulling you away from any racing or paying customers. Way above and beyond, but legit couldn't have done it without you. Are you a beer or a wine guy? I owe you a 6 pack or bottle of something for sure! See you Monday, yeah?

As for the wheels (corrected barrels); should have them soon. Going up on jack stands and jacks Thursday eve to install a whole plethora of goodies to be ready for Monday at the track. :)

[ACR-ISH]

No apologies necessary B we are always racing and testing that never changes....Customers still come first. All our customers doesn't matter if you purchase a complete carbon fiber viper GT3R from us or max throttle kit we treat every customer the same; if we can help we always will. And as always if you see TKO at the track pit with us. Our race engineers and crew are always available to help customers.
We wont be at Sonoma this monday. We had a transmission let go on the last lap in race a week ago. Better to be lucky then good sometimes, still got 3rd place. All our spare trans have been waiting on parts from germany so unfortunately no more racing this season. Sonoma will be great this Monday you will have a good time. Track should be all rubbered up and good race line defined after race weekend. Stay online there will be alot of pick up and marbles if you get off line. Wish we were there.

Will do sir! Thanks again! Sorry to hear about the trans but agree on better lucky than good, sometimes! Haha!

[gpbtt]

Just ordered mine.

[viperBase1]

Small redesign on the TKO Max Throttle control dial.

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[sharmut]

I like the new dial, except shouldn't be limited to speeding. At 20% it's easier to qualify for exhibition of speed.

[TheMadMachinist]

Finally got the thing installed.

On my 2013 the stock connector was all black no red push button like the one in the kit.

All I can say is Wow....It looks like I will be ordering another one for my GEN 4 as well...

[SRT BILL]

Finally got the thing installed.

On my 2013 the stock connector was all black no red push button like the one in the kit.

All I can say is Wow....It looks like I will be ordering another one for my GEN 4 as well...
TMM which version did you end up with? Also would you mind giving a little more info on the connector.

[TheMadMachinist]

PM sent to SRT Bill

[13COBRA]

Finally got the thing installed.

On my 2013 the stock connector was all black no red push button like the one in the kit.

All I can say is Wow....It looks like I will be ordering another one for my GEN 4 as well...

How was the connector locked on to the throttle sensor then?

[ACR-ISH]

@cashcorn was having the same issue. Maybe he has a 2013 as well...?

[viperBase1]

On my 2013 the stock connector was all black no red push button like the one in the kit.
All I can say is Wow....It looks like I will be ordering another one for my GEN 4 as well...

My Gen IV didn't have the red lock-clip either. Just a center latch/clip you had to push in then it came apart.
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[Tay]

Module setup/configuration methodology. It will be built specifically to fit the viper not a one size fits all. Our " auto blip" aka: rev match is the same hardware as we use in our GT3R racecars. Waterproof billet aluminum case , water proof connectors...basically bombproof racecar stuff. Software we are still working on but it will be very user friendly and have the ability to work with data logging. Brake cooling we are currently working on the brake duct design and autoclave molds. Little tricky since the ducts require multi piece molds so duct design and efficiency is always fighting mold design and production efficiency. The typical "you got your chocolate in my peanut butter...no you got your peanut butter in my chocolate" engineering fight.

Will your rev match included ADJUSTABLE MAX THROTTLE RESPONSE in the same unit? Or will it be a separate module? Will they be able to be used together if separate?

I am just wondering if I should hold off getting the ADJUSTABLE MAX THROTTLE RESPONSE if the rev match will include it.

[TKO MOTORSPORTS TEAM]

Will your rev match included ADJUSTABLE MAX THROTTLE RESPONSE in the same unit? Or will it be a separate module? Will they be able to be used together if separate?

I am just wondering if I should hold off getting the ADJUSTABLE MAX THROTTLE RESPONSE if the rev match will include it.

Hello Tay.
Yes we will offer our rev match/ blip and max throttle integrated kit. We are also working on a rev match/blip add on for customers who have already installed our max throttle. You will be abale to have it any way you like. Our original max throttle kit, Rev match/blip with max throttle, or rev match/blip add on for our max throttle kit. No cost penalty for buying our max throttle kit now and then purchasing rev /match blip add on kit when it becomes available.
Not hard selling you Tay..... but I would buy our max throttle kit now and have fun

[ACR-ISH]

No cost penalty for buying our max throttle kit now and then purchasing rev /match blip add on kit when it becomes available.

Sweet!

[viperBase1]

Hello Tay.
Yes we will offer our rev match/ blip and max throttle integrated kit. We are also working on a rev match/blip add on for customers who have already installed our max throttle. You will be abale to have it any way you like. Our original max throttle kit, Rev match/blip with max throttle, or rev match/blip add on for our max throttle kit. No cost penalty for buying our max throttle kit now and then purchasing rev /match blip add on kit when it becomes available.
Not hard selling you Tay..... but I would buy our max throttle kit now and have fun
Yeah sounds good.

Can you say if your rev-match will work like the autoBlip requiring Brake pedal too? More Track oriented?

[TrackAire]

Hello Tay.
Yes we will offer our rev match/ blip and max throttle integrated kit. We are also working on a rev match/blip add on for customers who have already installed our max throttle. You will be abale to have it any way you like. Our original max throttle kit, Rev match/blip with max throttle, or rev match/blip add on for our max throttle kit. No cost penalty for buying our max throttle kit now and then purchasing rev /match blip add on kit when it becomes available.
Not hard selling you Tay..... but I would buy our max throttle kit now and have fun

TKO,
Will you be visiting SEMA next week?

[Tay]

Hello Tay.
Yes we will offer our rev match/ blip and max throttle integrated kit. We are also working on a rev match/blip add on for customers who have already installed our max throttle. You will be abale to have it any way you like. Our original max throttle kit, Rev match/blip with max throttle, or rev match/blip add on for our max throttle kit. No cost penalty for buying our max throttle kit now and then purchasing rev /match blip add on kit when it becomes available.
Not hard selling you Tay..... but I would buy our max throttle kit now and have fun

Awesome!

[TKO MOTORSPORTS TEAM]

TKO,
Will you be visiting SEMA next week?

Hello Viper Base yes our rev match/ blip requires brake pedal for activation. Same system we use is alot of racecars we build. Extremely reliable.

Track Aire we just dont have the time todo SEMA anymore.

[sharmut]

@TKO, personally I would love to get an autoblip w/ max throttle package that is complete plug-n-play, comes with OEM connectors prewired, no splicing or soldering.

[ViperGeorge]

@TKO, personally I would love to get an autoblip w/ max throttle package that is complete plug-n-play, comes with OEM connectors prewired, no splicing or soldering.

Amen brother.

[kriskyk]

I'm in

[viperBase1]

Hello Viper Base yes our rev match/ blip requires brake pedal for activation. Same system we use in a lot of racecars we build. Extremely reliable.
Thanks TKO, understood. :(

Today I try and find the sweet spot setting on the control dial for the street.
Somewhere in-between 25 and 50.
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[TKO MOTORSPORTS TEAM]

@TKO, personally I would love to get an autoblip w/ max throttle package that is complete plug-n-play, comes with OEM connectors prewired, no splicing or soldering.

Yes sharmut it would be a complete plug and play system blip and max throttle. Any product we design and manufacture for viper we try and make it possible for viper owner install thats always our goal. Some of our more involved products like our differential cooler, dry sump system and active ride height control suspension system we encourage owners to have a professional do the install; but if the owner wants to install we will support as much as possible them.

[ViperGeorge]

Yes sharmut it would be a complete plug and play system blip and max throttle. Any product we design and manufacture for viper we try and make it possible for viper owner install thats always our goal. Some of our more involved products like our differential cooler, dry sump system and active ride height control suspension system we encourage owners to have a professional do the install; but if the owner wants to install we will support as much as possible them.

Please do your best to release it soon!!!

[sadil]

I am ready to buy the Throttle Response kit, hopefully the auto-blip feature is ready as well! Excited!

[LATAMUD]

I'm interested too. Plug and play, time saved is worth the extra cost.

[Mark1107]

TKO:

Question. I bought your throttle response kit. My 2014 GTS has a very sluggish gas pedal. I have your setting at 85 and it seems like I don’t stall out engaging the clutch at 1800 rpm on the street. Anything lower than an 85 setting and my pedal isn’t very responsive needs 2-3000 rpm to get a good clutch engagement. I have 9500 miles on the car change the oil 2x a year. Do I need new plugs, wires, air filter ? Hell even setting your dial at 90 gives me a nice street response pedal/throttle. Just curious if im treating the symptom not the problem?

[Mark1107]

TKO, after setting the throttle to 85% it feels responsive and the pedal responds. Where everyone else at 85% says they can’t control the car and it does burnouts and feels like the tires break loose.

I’m just worried that not using pedal commander I might have fouled plugs or something else? A dirty throttle body?

[No hemi]

Just saw this thread, I have pedal commander on mine and I LOVE it, no auto blip but idc much about that I do my own ;), I cant use it on "sport + " because the car will go crazy and be on the traction control , also at idle on sport plus if I "push" the gas pedal too fast the tb's will open so quick it'll almost stall the car, for normal driving I use one of the lower settings.

[Mark1107]

So every viper is different and not everyone has the same setting on our max throttle. We give some guideline settings that worked for us in testing but everyone uses the throttle a little different thats why our max throttle has a dial you can adjust on the fly to what works for you. Our max throttle will not change fuel delivery or spark so it wont cause your plugs to foul. It would be a good idea to change plugs and air filter if you haven't done them for 9500 miles.

1. Do you have CEL? (I know a silly question but gotta rule out the obvious first) No.
2. MODS tune, engine build, etc?? no.

Bone stock. Nine thousand five hundred miles, not 95,000 miles...

I know your product isn’t the problem. I had the super sluggish pedal before pedal commander. I just feel like maybe pedal commander is treating a symptom of another problem my car has versus me being able to fix the cause.

[Steve M]

Bumping this one back up...I just got around to installing mine today, but haven't had a chance to try it yet. Maybe tomorrow if I can finish up the other project I'm working on at the moment.

Regardless, I had a hard time finding pictures of the bracket mounted, so I took a good pic of mine for reference:

https://i.ibb.co/kg3mHqk/TKO-Bracket.jpg

Not gonna lie, I cringed a little while drilling the holes into the trans tunnel, but it all went well. The bracket was very well made, and fit perfectly.

[TheMadMachinist]

This thing is just amassing on my 2013, all you have to do is turn up the knob and It's like you just added another hundred horsepower. It's so fast the traction control can't even keep up. I was going to get another one for my 2010. But I am almost afraid to.

Great product TKO.