VOI 13 in Texas!!!!!

[Late Apex]

Appears that VOI 13 will be in Texas Sept. 25-28. Track not mentioned yet but Im thinking TMS in Ft. Worth again. Took a look at TWS calendar for Sept. and no mention or surprise there. Awesome news so far!!!!!!

[XSnake]

Wouldn't attend if it was in my own back yard

[FLATOUT]

Wouldn't attend if it was in my own back yard

Oh is this a VCA thing? That really sucks I have been wanting to attend a National Viper gathering like this since I have been a Viper owner and now it's finally in my back yard and won't go if it's indeed run by the VCA.

Andy

[XSnake]

Oh is this a VCA thing? That really sucks I have been wanting to attend a National Viper gathering like this since I have been a Viper owner and now it's finally in my back yard and won't go if it's indeed run by the VCA.

Andy

Yes

[cubican]

Yes it is a VCA ,but who cares all viper owners ar welcome VOI ( Viper owners invitational )

[XSnake]

Yes it is a VCA ,but who cares all viper owners ar welcome VOI ( Viper owners invitational )

Wouldn't give them a dime of my $$$, that's why I care

[Late Apex]

Yes it is a VCA but who cares all viper owners ar welcome VOI ( Viper owners invitational ) Correct and well said, it is put on by the VCA, and myself and many others do not care who puts it on as you say. There will be a big turn out Im sure. A few will not be missed. And hey, its clooooose by for the numerous Texas, central and southwest area groups.:drive:

[FLATOUT]

Yes it is a VCA ,but who cares all viper owners ar welcome VOI ( Viper owners invitational )

I do, my distain for that discrace of a club is still quite real. You don't treat people(Viper Owners) and your manufacturer that way and expect for everything to be peachy one year out. I am still banned from that club as are several Houston Members that chose to expose Lee and Chris for what they absolutely were.

[FLATOUT]

Correct and well said, it is put on by the VCA, and myself and many others do not care who puts it on as you say. There will be a big turn out Im sure. A few will not be missed. And hey, its clooooose by for the numerous Texas, central and southwest area groups.:drive:

For one don't speak for "others", that's fine you don't care who puts it on, but the number of people you think don't care might not be entirely accurate. The Houston membership voted to leave the VCA for a reason.

[BlknBlu]

In the past one had to be a member to attend VOI's not just a Viper owner.

Bruce

[XSnake]

In the past one had to be a member to attend VOI's not just a Viper owner.

Bruce

I believe that is incorrect, VCA members just got a cheaper rate. Anyone could go and I honestly don't think a lot of people will.

[XSnake]

Correct and well said, it is put on by the VCA, and myself and many others do not care who puts it on as you say. There will be a big turn out Im sure. A few will not be missed. And hey, its clooooose by for the numerous Texas, central and southwest area groups.:drive:

I think you are going to be surprised by the lack of turnout honestly. People have already voted with their wallets by leaving that club and that was only $115-$150. You think people are ready to fork over $750+ to the VCA?? Highly doubtful

[BlknBlu]

thanks for the correction, 2014 will be an interesting year.

Bruce

[ICPREY]

Wouldn't give them a dime of my $$$, that's why I care

LOL, both you and Flatout already gave them $ for membership...

Goodluck to the VCA with the event, I would consider it if I was closer.

[FLATOUT]

LOL, both you and Flatout already gave them $ for membership...

Goodluck to the VCA with the event, I would consider it if I was closer.

I'm not a VCA member and haven't been for a few years. My screen name is FLATOUT not FLAT OUT ;)

I voted with my wallet and do gladly support the VOA.

[XSnake]

LOL, both you and Flatout already gave them $ for membership...



Not in years as I've been banned for years

[daytonprowler]

I hope they have a tour of VPA-Viper Parts of America. :)

[Loud]

Should be interesting to see the turnout. I doubt it will be high.

I too remember it being a VCA member's only event in the past and not open to all Viper owners. I could be wrong.

[ICPREY]

I'm not a VCA member and haven't been for a few years. My screen name is FLATOUT not FLAT OUT ;)

I voted with my wallet and do gladly support the VOA.

It was a joke, maybe a bad/lame one.

[ICPREY]

I too remember it being a VCA member's only event in the past and not open to all Viper owners. I could be wrong.

You could go as a nonmember, but you had to pay extra which turned out to be about the same as a one year membership.

[VYPR BYT]

i respectfully pass ... nuff said

[VoodooRob]

i respectfully pass ... nuff said

What he said

[The_Greg]

VCA, No thanks.

I heard word that the VOA will be putting on somewhat of a homecoming party in Detroit this summer????

[ViperTony]

VCA, No thanks.

I heard word that the VOA will be putting on somewhat of a homecoming party in Detroit this summer????

Yes, with the manufacturer. Go figure.

[daytonprowler]

VOA Homecoming July 18-20, 2014

"Twenty years ago in July, Chrysler hosted the first Viper homecoming in Auburn Hills, which became the Viper Owners Invitational. Since this club is going back to its roots, we thought it would be appropriate to re-live the original homecoming as our first national gathering.

Chrysler is opening the doors to the Viper plant and their facilities to us and we're heading back to Auburn Hills for the weekend of July 19th. Like the first VOI, this event will not be a track-oriented event, but a social gathering. See how the Viper is built, take a lap around the high-speed oval of their test track, and join us for a cruise to the German town of Frankenmuth. (We're making this spouse friendly.) Of course, every night, there'll be a dinner so you can party with your Viper friends!

Since most of you don't want to stay in downtown Detroit, we've booked the Marriott hotel in Auburn Hills as our headquarters hotel, about 30 miles north of Detroit, in the shadow of Chrysler's headquarters and the Walter P. Chrysler Museum. It's not only cheaper there, but the neighborhood is nicer! These are regular-sized hotels, not Casinos, so we'll only be able to accommodate around 500 people in the ballroom. Sign up early if you want to come! Details will follow, but mark your calendar. It's gonna be a fun time!"

All the fine details are being worked out. :)

[BlknBlu]

A lot of folks have made choices to be part of something a lot more open and organized with open communication and allowing the regions to dictate most of policy. From what I have seen it is going to be difficult for a VOI to be pulled off with the same events as previous years and will need additional funding from folks outside thier organization to make it happen. Not trying to sway peoples decisions on attending the event, but the VOA is young and needs to focus internally to get to the point of having large events like in the past. I am just worried that our members will be adding the the other entities revenue. In the end we wouild like to be one happy club again.

thoughts

Bruce

[TowDawg]

I won't be anywhere near it.
They don't put the event on for no profit. The money paid to go will end up as profit for the VCA. Paul and Nsane1 have clearly shown on multiple occasions (more and more lately) that absolutely nothing has changed except the names.

[City]

I won't be anywhere near it.
They don't put the event on for no profit. The money paid to go will end up as profit for the VCA. Paul and Nsane1 have clearly shown on multiple occasions (more and more lately) that absolutely nothing has changed except the names.
This is a fundraiser for the VCA. Obviously up to VOA members to make their own choice. But you will witness a massive marketing campaign and appeal by the VCA to "promote Viper nation unity" and all that in a last ditch effort to ward off financial collapse. Even if every single VCA member attends (a virtual impossibility), they will run a huge deficit. Needless to say, it's an interesting strategic move on their part. Wait and watch for the desperate "forgive our sins, we will always love you" VOA member appeal.

[Brian GTS]

Just another money making attempt for the VCA. I hope most can see through the smoke they are blowing over there.

[Scott Mannny]

^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Your right Brian^^^^^^^^^^^^

Lets not forget what we went through last year with all of their Crap!!!!!!!!!!

They have NOT changed, just Smoke and Mirrors..........and I still have received my magazines yet!!

[City]

..........and I still have received my magazines yet!!



Sadly, that is really funny. Sorry to chuckle at your expense.

BTW - Wait till you see our first Quarterly! All I can say is WOW!

[LittleCobra]

Sadly, that is really funny. Sorry to chuckle at your expense.

BTW - Wait till you see our first Quarterly! All I can say is WOW!

I will make it sound worse the magazines for Europe still have not arrived either!

[Scott Mannny]

Sadly, that is really funny. Sorry to chuckle at your expense.

BTW - Wait till you see our first Quarterly! All I can say is WOW!

I meant to say, I still have NOT received my magazines yet!!! I am sooooo glad that we do not have to deal with those clowns anymore.

[PatrickB]

Having a VOI, eh? Well, good for them! Hopefully all 27 of their members will be able to attend.. :D

[Coloviper]

They will try to do what they can to survive and you can not blame them, we would do the same thing in their shoes. HOWEVER a VOI without a major manufacturer presence is not a VOI IMHO, it is just a another ordinary club gathering. No real authorized SRT representation from the manufacturer at this VOI13 means it is a complete waste of time and money to me anyway. Don't even get started on the 5th string Mopar parts contact they are trying to pass off as their main SRT contact relationship.

Each has a choice to make but a summer weekend with Lutz, Gale, Casting, Ralph, Sergio, the entire SRT design team, auto worker crafts men/women and potentially a full prototype version of the convertible or ACR, on their own turf, in their own factory, in their own Chrysler buildings and on their own proving ground track seems a WHOLE lot more exciting and special than a bunch of guys and gals meeting at a track and having a few dinners together in TX.

I know where I am spending my money this Summer. Come on Randall, details and booking abilities!!!!! I already booked the time off work and got a pass from the wife and young son to attend. Would love to take my Dad with me to this one as I know when he gets excited at something, he jumps in with both feet. He would probably buy that convertible right off the factory floor. Ha! Ha!

Personally if they do hold the event and call it VOI13, then I propose the VOA punts that VOI name from all future events. It was great for 20 years but nothing wrong with calling it something else completely.

[VIPER BAZ UK]

This is the one for me........... Back to the roots and People and Viper first..




VOA Homecoming July 18-20, 2014

"Twenty years ago in July, Chrysler hosted the first Viper homecoming in Auburn Hills, which became the Viper Owners Invitational. Since this club is going back to its roots, we thought it would be appropriate to re-live the original homecoming as our first national gathering.

Chrysler is opening the doors to the Viper plant and their facilities to us and we're heading back to Auburn Hills for the weekend of July 19th. Like the first VOI, this event will not be a track-oriented event, but a social gathering. See how the Viper is built, take a lap around the high-speed oval of their test track, and join us for a cruise to the German town of Frankenmuth. (We're making this spouse friendly.) Of course, every night, there'll be a dinner so you can party with your Viper friends!

Since most of you don't want to stay in downtown Detroit, we've booked the Marriott hotel in Auburn Hills as our headquarters hotel, about 30 miles north of Detroit, in the shadow of Chrysler's headquarters and the Walter P. Chrysler Museum. It's not only cheaper there, but the neighborhood is nicer! These are regular-sized hotels, not Casinos, so we'll only be able to accommodate around 500 people in the ballroom. Sign up early if you want to come! Details will follow, but mark your calendar. It's gonna be a fun time!"

All the fine details are being worked out. :)

[City]

They will try to do what they can to survive and you can not blame them, we would do the same thing in their shoes. HOWEVER a VOI without a major manufacturer presence is not a VOI IMHO, it is just a another ordinary club gathering. No real authorized SRT representation from the manufacturer at this VOI13 means it is a complete waste of time and money to me anyway. Don't even get started on the 5th string Mopar parts contact they are trying to pass off as their main SRT contact relationship.

Each has a choice to make but a summer weekend with Lutz, Gale, Casting, Ralph, Sergio, the entire SRT design team, auto worker crafts men/women and potentially a full prototype version of the convertible or ACR, on their own turf, in their own factory, in their own Chrysler buildings and on their own proving ground track seems a WHOLE lot more exciting and special than a bunch of guys and gals meeting at a track and having a few dinners together in TX.

I know where I am spending my money this Summer. Come on Randall, details and booking abilities!!!!! I already booked the time off work and got a pass from the wife and young son to attend. Would love to take my Dad with me to this one as I know when he gets excited at something, he jumps in with both feet. He would probably buy that convertible right off the factory floor. Ha! Ha!

Personally if they do hold the event and call it VOI13, then I propose the VOA punts that VOI name from all future events. It was great for 20 years but nothing wrong with calling it something else completely.
Thank you so much for that post CV! It was comforting to see that others understand. Difficult to post as a director at times, since we're so concerned about honesty and balance. Appreciate it!

[daytonprowler]

From the newly revised VCA "Join" page on their website. https://www.viperclub.org/join/

"Congrats on your new Viper! If you think you have some power now, join the VCA and supercharge your ownership experience! Here is what one member wrote recently, "Dodge and the VCA make owning a Viper an unprecedented ownership experience." Why is that? Because VCA members are family - a family of 4000+ worldwide enjoying all the great benefits the club has to offer. And joining couldn't be an easier."

So they are now saying that they have 4000+ members. Really? So lets give them the benefit of the doubt and say that they have 2000 members (because they would have to be counting spouses/partners to make their numbers look larger 2000 X 2=4000). The VOA counter only shows how many primary members we have (spouses/partners not included in the counter). We don't inflate the membership numbers.

Now here is an excerpt from a thread that the VCA National Treasurer posted on March 3, 2014 in the VCA Member's Only section of their website under "Proposed Budget".

" I put in notes on the 2014 proposed budget report to try to help explain the numbers. The 1,000 members for 2014 is a very conservative estimate as we felt it best to show you worst case scenario numbers."

If you have 4000+ members, why would the VCA National Treasurer make a 2014 budget based on only on a conservative worst case scenario estimate of 1000 members? Wouldn't you do a budget for 4000+ members if that is what you had?

You will also note on this same VCA "JOIN" page:
1. They mention Viper Magazine, but no promise of how many magazines a member will receive. All they have to do is produce one magazine.

2. Notice only the mention of "a" discount at VPA-Viper Parts of America. Gone is the 15% and 20% discount.

When you say your VCA family is made up of 4000+ members, but 34 of your regions, Presidents, and members leave. Then you post your 2014 budget conservatively for only 1000 members?

When you defy your own new VCA bylaws and have multiple national officers holding zone and regional positions. It's odd that they have 4000+ members, yet have some "Presidents" now over as many as 7 regions. With all those members, you would think they would have some people step up. What happened to the January 2014 elections? You had to be a PAID member to vote. ???
http://www.viperclub.org/members/regions.php

They knowingly accept peoples hard earned money telling them that one of the benefits is "Involvement with a Regional VCA Club in your area. Contact your local president for a schedule of events and more details." It's going to be kind of hard for a regional President, or for that matter a VCA member, to go to a monthly club meeting/event when some of the areas are in excess of 1200 miles a part? http://www.viperclub.org/members/regions.php

Question: For example, VCA AZ, Central Cal, NV, Nor Cal, OR, So Cal, WA
are under one regional "President", does the portion of a member's regional dues from WA go to help with events in SoCal or vise versa? Regions that are 1200+ miles away? Is VCA national holding all the money now or do they have separate bank accounts in each state in their "new" region?

All I can say to everyone is, "Fool me once...." Well, you know how the saying goes. :)

[CHAP]

Does anybody know who many VCA members last year ?

[Late Apex]

For one don't speak for "others", that's fine you don't care who puts it on, but the number of people you think don't care might not be entirely accurate. The Houston membership voted to leave the VCA for a reason.I am speaking for others, maybe just not YOU, and I will probably see other Houston members there as this is a special VIPER event and a chance for other Viper members to get to together and have a lot of fun as in previous VOIs. I could give a rats butt who profits from it or even if it was put on by Ford for that matter. Politics should be out the door for a VOI event, and yes Im not wild about the VCA either, but I am wild about competing and getting together with other Viper owners at a large level such as this. I do not have to associate and have drinks with their staff, but I will run the heck out of the Viper with many others. It amazes me how my post has deviated like many others have towards politics and not keeping with the original subject, getting together with other Viper owners and driving the wheels off them. And when the VOA puts on a similar event, Im sure many VCA members will join up too.

[Joel]

Just speaking for myself here but I am really, really, really tired of all the sniping from both sides. It is about the cars and the people you have met because we share an interest. I know a lot of bad juju happened but can't we just let it rest and move on?

[Coloviper]

Randall, while appreciate the effort of the response and everyone needs to vent every now and then :o, I think we need to focus more on the VOA and our awesome "Homecoming". People are smart and see through the smoke! Release the Kraken of sign up details for the Homecoming and let's get it on. The sooner the details are finalized and released, the easier it is for people to make their plans for their summer events. I only have free time for one National event this year and I won't be going to TX (for play anyway).

VCA can have their event and I hope it goes well for all involved. No ill regard there. I just believe they play off past manufacturer relationships and leave false impressions that are just not real in their club's life today therefore I would not attend but that is my personal choice. My post response was I did not view this as a true VOI event as I don't see the manufacturer (SRT or Chrysler Fiat) there. I don't think there is any manufacturer relationship there to speak of but I am sure people will get together and race around a bit. You are right, there is value in that too, just not value I would pay an extra $750 to $1,500 (for two) to attend. Not worth the money but that is just me.

Late Apex, not trying to derail the thread or your intent by introducing politics (wasn't my intent either), I am just providing my opinion. For me, I don't even go to the VCA website to even look around anymore. There is just no redeeming value for me (and obviously others) with what is left of that club. I am still waiting for the last magazine I paid for and am 1/2 expecting a 14 page article and ode to Bob Pantax to appear for that last issue. They already paid homage to Dr. Bob from Arizona in an extreme waste of paper in the last magazine released.

[daytonprowler]

Coloviper,

Thanks for your comments. Randall has to vent sometimes. ;) Rest assured our focus is the VOA. Were getting ready to send out more membership packets in a couple weeks. Maurice has been working hard on the magazine, content is done, and working on the layout. We're working on a VOA product line.

Janni and Jim and the rest of the bylaw committee members are getting ready to start working on revisions. Scott and web committee and moderators are working on the website 24/7. Alex and Brad working on the budget among 1000 other things on their plate. Adrian, Chuck, and John are getting more and more vendors for the VOA.

Homecoming schedule is getting finalized. Contracts for the hotels are done, just getting the rest of the ducks in a row. 30+ emails a day going back and forth with the VOA core team. Things are going great. And like I said before, sorry, but Randall has to vent sometimes. :)

[FLATOUT]

Late Apex, did the VCA ever ban you for telling the truth? They banned me and several other Viper owners in the Houston area that I spend a lot of time with. It wasn't appreciated and it did affect my ownership experience. I have zero interest in anything VCA related and I sincerely hope they take that show elsewhere.

[Wot!]

...

Now here is an excerpt from a thread that the VCA National Treasurer posted on March 3, 2014 in the VCA Member's Only section of their website under "Proposed Budget".

" I put in notes on the 2014 proposed budget report to try to help explain the numbers. The 1,000 members for 2014 is a very conservative estimate as we felt it best to show you worst case scenario numbers."

If you have 4000+ members, why would the VCA National Treasurer make a 2014 budget based on only on a conservative worst case scenario estimate of 1000 members? Wouldn't you do a budget for 4000+ members if that is what you had?

.... :)


So, if you're doing a budget and estimating a 1000 members for 2014, and its March 3, 2014 then there must be less than 1000 members to date.

Less than 1000 members signed up since last fall and the first 2 months of 2014?

I would think with numbers like that this would spell disaster for a VOI that must need like 400 cars to be a success.

Just asking!

[Leslie]

I'm not a VCA member and haven't been for a few years. My screen name is FLATOUT not FLAT OUT ;)

I voted with my wallet and do gladly support the VOA.

what HE said!

[Leslie]

Just speaking for myself here but I am really, really, really tired of all the sniping from both sides. It is about the cars and the people you have met because we share an interest. I know a lot of bad juju happened but can't we just let it rest and move on?

we can as long as people post VCA events on the VCA site, and OUR events on this forum:)

[99RT10]

Just speaking for myself here but I am really, really, really tired of all the sniping from both sides. It is about the cars and the people you have met because we share an interest. I know a lot of bad juju happened but can't we just let it rest and move on?

Well, I for one can't forget. I can forgive, but I will also not make the mistake of staying with a club that to this day has banned 60+ members. Those bannings continue today extending to Maurice, JT myself and many others for simply asking relevant, direct questions about the club's finances and raffle. Stifling speech in such a way to keep the truth from the light of day, to hide their idiocy and corrupt ways. Still, those that cause the problems continue to enjoy lifetime membership while others are still kept form contributing.

No, I won't forget and I won't be going.

[Shooter]

I am speaking for others, maybe just not YOU, and I will probably see other Houston members there as this is a special VIPER event and a chance for other Viper members to get to together and have a lot of fun as in previous VOIs. I could give a rats butt who profits from it or even if it was put on by Ford for that matter. Politics should be out the door for a VOI event, and yes Im not wild about the VCA either, but I am wild about competing and getting together with other Viper owners at a large level such as this. I do not have to associate and have drinks with their staff, but I will run the heck out of the Viper with many others. It amazes me how my post has deviated like many others have towards politics and not keeping with the original subject, getting together with other Viper owners and driving the wheels off them. And when the VOA puts on a similar event, Im sure many VCA members will join up too.

Perhaps you should have a look at the Houston clubs affiliation there stud. If you want to give your money to the VCA, go ahead. But don't come on this website and complain about the "direction your post has taken". We all know the smoke and mirrors game they are playing over there, the absolute BS they spread, and it's the spineless "can't we all get along" types that keep funding the efforts of a club that doesn't give a shit about it's members. What a friggin joke. Hey, why don't you go hang out with the "local" VCA club in.....oh wait, where is it again?...Dallas?

Robert


oh ya....neg rep

[ViperGTS]

Attended all VOI's since 2002 in Nashville and will for sure not be in TX this year...but, hey, I got the July 2013 VCA magazine this week, i.e. March 2014.

If organisation for VCA-VOI-2014 will work the same way the invitations go out in March 2015! LOL

[daytonprowler]

Maybe I've been wrong. They even have a new theme song.
Everything is just "sunshine and Santa Claus" at the "new" VCA! :dude3:


http://youtu.be/s62MrU8mHx4

[plumcrazy]

Lmao

[ViperTony]

I think a 'major' track event for Viper owners is a wonderful thing. I'd like to see the VOA pull off a track oriented event in the future. Always a great time.

[Scott Mannny]

I agree Tony, but a real track event that we can drive at real speed. Not a follow me type event.

[Joel]

Let me put this whole thing in terms everyone can understand. Before all this you know what hit the fan, we had almost 60 members in the club. Now, after almost of the %&it has settled, we have 16 members in VOA and 5 in VCA and another 5 who want to be in neither but pay regional dues. So what I've learned as president is that association with clubs that constantly argue over who really represents Viper owners has cost me about 40 members who really are questioning what benefit they receive from national clubs. And, since many of you have correctly pointed out the past censorship abuses by VCA, it strikes me odd that some of you want to have no news of any Viper activities unless they are sanctioned by VOA. Does irony have any meaning here? So, for at least the next 10 months, my job is to represent Viper owners in the Al/TN region and that's what I'm going to do. Viper owners are welcome at our events and we will try to make all feel welcome when they come. Isn't that what we are all about? It's cars and people - cars and people. That's all I'm going to say on the issue.


we can as long as people post VCA events on the VCA site, and OUR events on this forum:)

[ViperTony]

I agree Tony, but a real track event that we can drive at real speed. Not a follow me type event.

A Viper Days type of format. Multiple run groups. Putting everyone with different driving abilities on a track at the same time = no Buenos.

[ViperTony]

Let me put this whole thing in terms everyone can understand. Before all this you know what hit the fan, we had almost 60 members in the club. Now, after all most of the %&it has settled, we have 16 members in VOA and 5 in VCA and another 5 who want to be in neither but pay regional dues. So what I've learned as president is that association with clubs that constantly argue over who really represents Viper owners has cost me about 40 members who really are questioning what benefit they receive from national clubs. And, since many of you have correctly pointed out the past censorship abuses by VCA, it strikes me odd that some of you want to have no news of any Viper activities unless they are sanctioned by VOA. Does irony have any meaning here? So, for at least the next 10 months, my job is to represent Viper owners in the Al/TN region and that's what I'm going to do. Viper owners are welcome at our events and we will try to make all feel welcome when they come. Isn't that what we are all about? It's cars and people - cars and people. That's all I'm going to say on the issue.

Good post and I think you're spot on. :dude3:

[Janni]

Everyone here wants a united place for Viper owners. I believe we all want what is right for OWNERS.

If there are folks that are wondering what is the benefit of a national club - there's $2 million in liability coverage in insurance that someone WILL want if something goes terribly bad at an event and it will only apply to VOA members. Our policy will not extend to non-members.

Additionally, I would suggest that events be opened to VOA members FIRST if you are planning an event as a leader. This way, you can reinforce the value of membership and then open it up to other owners at a later date. As leaders, you should "take care of" the folks that are in your primary group first, and help ensure they can join in the activities and not get left out.

Ultimately - by NOT differentiating at all between members and non members you are essentially encouraging folks to not join and to remain fragmented.

We're hopeful that members will see value in the magazine, the VOA specific events (or at least the "early announcement / priority" given to them), insurance, some other swag once the merchandise gets online,etc will be enough.

Ultimately - if YOU don't see the value in the VOA and a National Entity - then no one else will either.

It's a delicate balance to do this and also to be inclusive- but I believe it can be done.

I don't want censorship or being "exclusionary" - but I DO want leaders adding VALUE locally to the VOA membership.

[cubican]

Let me put this whole thing in terms everyone can understand. Before all this you know what hit the fan, we had almost 60 members in the club. Now, after almost of the %&it has settled, we have 16 members in VOA and 5 in VCA and another 5 who want to be in neither but pay regional dues. So what I've learned as president is that association with clubs that constantly argue over who really represents Viper owners has cost me about 40 members who really are questioning what benefit they receive from national clubs. And, since many of you have correctly pointed out the past censorship abuses by VCA, it strikes me odd that some of you want to have no news of any Viper activities unless they are sanctioned by VOA. Does irony have any meaning here? So, for at least the next 10 months, my job is to represent Viper owners in the Al/TN region and that's what I'm going to do. Viper owners are welcome at our events and we will try to make all feel welcome when they come. Isn't that what we are all about? It's cars and people - cars and people. That's all I'm going to say on the issue.
Spot on!! there are many viper owners that feel that way. I hate that the forum starting to feel more and more like the viper alley very sad.

[Brian GTS]

I for one do not want to be associated with people I do not trust. The folks operating the VCA have made it clear that they cannot be trusted by their false information and claims....even to this day! This cannot be refuted!

I refuse financially support a club that falsifies information and deceives members from the truth. It's total BS! Am I going to hand over my hard earned money to people who are dishonest....car club, or not.....NO WAY!

I am in the VOA because I feel the people running the show are wholesome individuals that can be trusted. The Presidents are on the BOD, financials are in the open, and for crying out loud, the membership numbers are on the home page!!!...etc. They are not stretching the truth in order to paint a pretty picture in order to gain memberships. I'm certain where all the money is going and the communication is outstanding.

Our region was largely successful at moving over to the VOA. Although, we did experience a 20% membership decrease, I'll take it over spilling money into the unknown VCA funnel. Why should one place trust in a club that has a proven track record of being less than truthful.....and still is?

[plumcrazy]

Spot on!! there are many viper owners that feel that way. I hate that the forum starting to feel more and more like the viper alley very sad.

this site only resembles viper alley in that its an internet forum and has viper in the name.

[XSnake]

Spot on!! there are many viper owners that feel that way. I hate that the forum starting to feel more and more like the viper alley very sad.

If it wasn't for the Alley you wouldn't know 90% of what you know about the VCA. The Alley is not everyone's cup of tea, I get that. But, it will always be somewhere where uncensored information is available.

[BlknBlu]

This is a very important topic of discussion and needs to be communicated in an open manner with it's members. We are all about the cars and people, but also trying to establish a world class organization that runs in an efficient manner to it's members and those wanting to be a part of something. Both Entities have something to protect and are looking for ways to enhance the Viper ownership. We need to work to make sure we are protected and can continue to grow. One day we will be one happy family again.

Bruce

[XSnake]

Looks like it's gonna be at COTA, I hope everyone has been saving up cause it ain't gonna be cheap.

[FLATOUT]

Spot on!! there are many viper owners that feel that way. I hate that the forum starting to feel more and more like the viper alley very sad.

So because people don't agree with you it has become "the alley"? It's ok that I don't like the VCA, and it's ok that you do. It's a big world and we all have differing opinions.

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If it wasn't for the Alley you wouldn't know 90% of what you know about the VCA. The Alley is not everyone's cup of tea, I get that. But, it will always be somewhere where uncensored information is available.


POS rep this guy gets it.

[MoparBoyy]

Looks like it's gonna be at COTA, I hope everyone has been saving up cause it ain't gonna be cheap.

lets say 200 people show up.. its what.. 100k to rent COTA?.. i'm bad at math, but i can already say thats a lot of cheddar.

[City]

I understand they are sharing an IMSA event. The issue will be track time.

[99RT10]

So at 800 per person that would be 160,000. They could probably make that happen pretty easily.

[XSnake]

I understand they are sharing an IMSA event. The issue will be track time.

They are the weekend after the Tudor/IMSA event . IMSA and the WEC usually share the same weekend weekend which is the 19th and 20th.

[cubican]

This is a very important topic of discussion and needs to be communicated in an open manner with it's members. We are all about the cars and people, but also trying to establish a world class organization that runs in an efficient manner to it's members and those wanting to be a part of something. Both Entities have something to protect and are looking for ways to enhance the Viper ownership. We need to work to make sure we are protected and can continue to grow. One day we will be one happy family again.

Bruce

Exellent post Bruce, I know your a track guy love to see your car at COTA.

[XSnake]

So at 800 per person that would be 160,000. They could probably make that happen pretty easily.
This is for only track expenses...... No other VOI has had a $100k bill for the track alone. It will be interesting to see the registration options if there are any and the pricing differences.

[City]

I understand they are sharing an IMSA event. The issue will be track time.


They are the weekend after the Tudor/IMSA event . IMSA and the WEC usually share the same weekend weekend which is the 19th and 20th.

I think you're right. I'm getting better at providing the wrong info. Skulking away now....

[cubican]

[QUOTE=FLATOUT;37050]So because people don't agree with you it has become "the alley"? It's ok that I don't like the VCA, and it's ok that you do. It's a big world and we all have differing opinions.


andy, I relly hope to see you at cota, after all the work you have done on your car it will be a shame to miss it. You'r going to see many of us at the round up, and that event is put together by a member from each club. Down here in Texas non of us care for any of the BS we just want to have fun and enjoy our cars. Pedro.

[FLATOUT]

I know man, just still bitter about some things. Some of us unfortunately got to deal with varying degrees of fallout with the old leadership. I will definitely see you guys at the roundup though. Appreciate the kind words and I can assure my frustration with that club had very little to do with 99% of the owners.



[QUOTE=FLATOUT;37050]So because people don't agree with you it has become "the alley"? It's ok that I don't like the VCA, and it's ok that you do. It's a big world and we all have differing opinions.


andy, I relly hope to see you at cota, after all the work you have done on your car it will be a shame to miss it. You'r going to see many of us at the round up, and that event is put together by a member from each club. Down here in Texas non of us care for any of the BS we just want to have fun and enjoy our cars. Pedro.

[MtnBiker]

First "clue" (picture of the Alamo) on other site suggests San Antonio as location.

[Shooter]

[QUOTE=FLATOUT;37050]So because people don't agree with you it has become "the alley"? It's ok that I don't like the VCA, and it's ok that you do. It's a big world and we all have differing opinions.


andy, I relly hope to see you at cota, after all the work you have done on your car it will be a shame to miss it. You'r going to see many of us at the round up, and that event is put together by a member from each club. Down here in Texas non of us care for any of the BS we just want to have fun and enjoy our cars. Pedro.

Round up is different. It's not put on by the VCA. The roundup really is just Viper owners getting together and enjoying the cars. Going to VOI means paying a fee to the VCA which means you support the lying, policies and other BS like stealing from the members. Have at it.

[Sam Goldfarb]

Joel, That is exactly the way it should be. We, in Ohio, always invited ANYONE with a Viper to join us ANYWHERE. It's about the car and the people, not their politics!


Let me put this whole thing in terms everyone can understand. Before all this you know what hit the fan, we had almost 60 members in the club. Now, after almost of the %&it has settled, we have 16 members in VOA and 5 in VCA and another 5 who want to be in neither but pay regional dues. So what I've learned as president is that association with clubs that constantly argue over who really represents Viper owners has cost me about 40 members who really are questioning what benefit they receive from national clubs. And, since many of you have correctly pointed out the past censorship abuses by VCA, it strikes me odd that some of you want to have no news of any Viper activities unless they are sanctioned by VOA. Does irony have any meaning here? So, for at least the next 10 months, my job is to represent Viper owners in the Al/TN region and that's what I'm going to do. Viper owners are welcome at our events and we will try to make all feel welcome when they come. Isn't that what we are all about? It's cars and people - cars and people. That's all I'm going to say on the issue.

[cubican]

[QUOTE=cubican;37084]

Round up is different. It's not put on by the VCA. The roundup really is just Viper owners getting together and enjoying the cars. Going to VOI means paying a fee to the VCA which means you support the lying, policies and other BS like stealing from the members. Have at it.

No thanks, Im done with the BS, I like to live my life for today and future. Your car will look fantastic going into turn one at COTA, I hope you get the chance to run the trak at some point. See you at the round up. Cheers.

[MtnBiker]

Video of car going into turn 1 at CoTA :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bP2HxCGMDR0

[Shooter]

[QUOTE=Shooter;37290]

No thanks, Im done with the BS, I like to live my life for today and future. Your car will look fantastic going into turn one at COTA, I hope you get the chance to run the trak at some point. See you at the round up. Cheers.

I'll drive that track...I don't need to fund the crooks at VCA to do it. :)

[cubican]

Video of car going into turn 1 at CoTA :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bP2HxCGMDR0

love it!!! the car sounds great..

[cubican]

VOI will be in San Antonio Tx, with all track events at COTA with SRT suport.

[plumcrazy]

srt support ?

[Janni]

Guys - since we don't censor here, the conversation continues. However, there comes a point where it is simply poor form as a leader of another club to continue to advertise your club's sponsored event. I would say that those that want details on the aforementioned event, know were to look.

[FLATOUT]

VOI will be in San Antonio Tx, with all track events at COTA with SRT suport.

Take this to the VCA San Antonio Board please.

[XSnake]

VOI will be in San Antonio Tx, with all track events at COTA with SRT suport.

I think you have this forum confused with one that cares.

[Shooter]

VOI will be in San Antonio Tx, with all track events at COTA with SRT suport.

Off you go then. Keep funding the lies and BS. Have fun.

[Leslie]

VOI will be in San Antonio Tx, with all track events at COTA with SRT suport.

SRT SUPORT?

Haha sure ok.

[cubican]

SRT supports all owners, what makes you think they will miss an event of that size having a bunch of vipers on track at COTA. Bottom line SRT is all about selling cars.

[FLATOUT]

SRT supports all owners, what makes you think they will miss an event of that size having a bunch of vipers on track at COTA. Bottom line SRT is all about selling cars.

A certain letter trying to get their CEO fired comes to mind or did the few members they have left forget about that slight transgression?

[sparkrn]

I have read much of this event on both sites, I don't see Srt supporting Voi 13, only mis represented alliance by the other club. Smoke and mirrors like usual from the Vca circus

[daytonprowler]

It's just like a parent with two children, one good, one evil. The parent tries to love both, no matter how much lying, cheating, stealing, grief, embarrassment, or heartache the evil child has caused.

[XXX BLK]

It's just like a parent with two children, one good, one evil. The parent tries to love both, no matter how much lying, cheating, stealing, grief, embarrassment, or heartache the evil child has caused.

Very well said………….and I agree

[XSnake]

I have read much of this event on both sites, I don't see Srt supporting Voi 13, only mis represented alliance by the other club. Smoke and mirrors like usual from the Vca circus

They got a reprimand for twisting the dick winkles visit to fl into a VCA/SRT relationship.

[daytonprowler]

It's just like a parent with two children, one good, one evil. The parent tries to love both, no matter how much lying, cheating, stealing, grief, embarrassment, or heartache the evil child has caused.


Very well said………….and I agree


They got a reprimand for twisting the dick winkles visit to fl into a VCA/SRT relationship.

Now they are bombarding our VOA National and Regional Facebook accounts trying to say everything is all better, we can have two clubs. Everything is all puppies and kittens. LOL

It's all Kumbaya now after they found out their lying tactics didn't work.

They will bombard all VOA members with VOI emails because they have all your email addresses. They have no shame.

These are the same people who have stolen your region's dues for the last part of 2013.

They are foregoing an awards dinner for their VOI. They destroy a 20 year old institution, drive 34 Viper club regions away, consistently lie, etc., I think they are wise to cancel an awards dinner.

Bottom line is they need your $$$$. They are not doing anything for the Viper community except keeping it divided, it's only a handful of VCA people with their huge egos that are fueling this.

On the other hand, they do have something fun planned at VOI. I hear they are having a petting zoo at VOI. Please come pet our mascot VCA rattlesnake, it won't bite. :smilielol:

[ViperTony]

They got a reprimand for twisting the dick winkles visit to fl into a VCA/SRT relationship.

I think they're getting a reprimand soon for embellishing about the *support* from SRT for VOI too. Seems to be news to some folks at Chrysler. :rolleyes:

In the end, VOI has nothing to do with, and no support from, the VOA so why is this even being discussed here? We don't need this trash here.

[Coloviper]

Agreed Tony!

Now Randall, release the infinite amount of register and event details for the Detroit Homecoming! Once released, there is not even going to be a discussion as to which one to support and which one is worth the money. Despite being on two different dates, it is like paying the same amount but one is a Bush League Junior B Hockey game and the other is an NHL hockey game. One is not even worth mentioning or talking about.

BTW Doris is a member here and we all know who really runs the roost in that household as in most all family households, DA MOM. Ralph will do what he is told for support here. Ha! Ha! My wife has that job daily with our little 10.5 month old boy and I can tell you, I would try to get fired from that job as quickly as I could if it was a Mr. Mom situation for me. I love the little guy but boy that is a hard job to do day in and day out.

[sparkrn]

VOI will be in San Antonio Tx, with all track events at COTA with SRT suport.

The only SRT support is that they built your car!!!!!

[BlknBlu]

Folks can enjoy both events, but just remember where the finances go. If you are a die hard VOA member and want to make sure we prosper keep it in house. We should not discourage people to hang out with their Viper brothers and sisters. Tough choices have to be made to ensure our survival and get us back to one club.

Long live the VOA

Bruce

[daytonprowler]

Folks can enjoy both events, but just remember where the finances go. If you are a die hard VOA member and want to make sure we prosper keep it in house. We should not discourage people to hang out with their Viper brothers and sisters. Tough choices have to be made to ensure our survival and get us back to one club.

Long live the VOA

Bruce

One Viper club. The faster this happens the better. Then we won't have our members getting constant emails and other propaganda from the VCA.

There will be no peace in the Viper Nation (Viper Owners, Chrysler/SRT, Vendors and Sponsors) as long as there are two clubs.

I'm sorry that may seem harsh, but it is a reality.

[99RT10]

One Viper club. The faster this happens the better. Then we won't have our members getting constant emails and other propaganda from the VCA.

There will be no peace in the Viper Nation (Viper Owners, Chrysler/SRT, Vendors and Sponsors) as long as there are two clubs.

I'm sorry that may seem harsh, but it is a reality.


I don't think that will happen, at least not anytime soon. No VCA nutswinger here, but I don't see the whole club disappearing anytime soon. It just a fact that we will see two clubs. I think that is a good check and balance too. When there was only one, much corruption. Now, people will vote with their pocket books and either leave altogether or go to the better club.

[PatrickB]

I don't think that will happen, at least not anytime soon. No VCA nutswinger here, but I don't see the whole club disappearing anytime soon. It just a fact that we will see two clubs. I think that is a good check and balance too. When there was only one, much corruption. Now, people will vote with their pocket books and either leave altogether or go to the better club.

Agreed..They will stay alive mostly due to all the non-active members who just pay their yearly dues and never participate in anything, no local events, no forums, nothing. If you watch the forums, it's the same 5-10 members posting in every thread; that's where the forum activity is. I can literally name the active forum members. Nothing is happening in the regional subforums (for obvious reasons).

I can't see the fun in being part of a club where you never participate in anything..

[FLATOUT]

Agree and it's quite ironic that this is posted in the VOA Houston Sub Forum and there is no Houston VCA chapter to speak of.


Agreed..They will stay alive mostly due to all the non-active members who just pay their yearly dues and never participate in anything, no local events, no forums, nothing. If you watch the forums, it's the same 5-10 members posting in every thread; that's where the forum activity is. I can literally name the active forum members. Nothing is happening in the regional subforums (for obvious reasons).

I can't see the fun in being part of a club where you never participate in anything..

[Dusty1]

I would hope those of us in VOA will stay in touch with the original VCA members and see if we can influence them to join us in this fine club!

[daytonprowler]

I would hope those of us in VOA will stay in touch with the original VCA members and see if we can influence them to join us in this fine club!

EXACTLY!

Everyone is getting "Join the Fun" cards with their membership packets.

Spread the good word, VOA, VOA, VOA!

[Revolution]

Is there going to be a big VOA event I really want to come down and attend something this year!

[XSnake]

Is there going to be a big VOA event I really want to come down and attend something this year!

Detroit in July

[Snakebit]

Detroit in July

The crazy thing is that the Detroit Homecoming is also being talked about and promoted in a thread on the other site. Not sure how the registration is going to work when those details become available and if, or how, only VOA members will be allowed to attend?

As a new Viper owner it took a bit to cut through all of the confusion of the two organizations. One club would be nice, but until then, I picked the one I wish to be associated with and will attend events, accordingly, since my club is the one that expended the efforts to organize those events. Having said that, those who have more history may feel differently and I'm OK with that. I get that there are always two sides to every story.

[Revolution]

Detroit in July

Link to any info?

[Late Apex]

Any info on the track facility yet?

[cubican]

I would hope those of us in VOA will stay in touch with the original VCA members and see if we can influence them to join us in this fine club!

A perfect example is coming up in few weeks at the Texas round up, any Viper owner is welcome voa, vca, or independent. The round up is put together by vca and voa members ,and absolutely no politics or bs aloud. Is time to start enjoying our cars and the owners.

[XSnake]

Link to any info?

It's on the VOA homepage

"Twenty years ago in July, Chrysler hosted the first Viper homecoming in Auburn Hills, which became the Viper Owners Invitational. Since this club is going back to its roots, we thought it would be appropriate to re-live the original homecoming as our first national gathering. Chrysler is opening the doors to the Viper plant and their facilities to us and we’re heading back to Auburn Hills for the weekend of July 19th. Like the first VOI, this event will not be a track-oriented event, but a social gathering. See how the Viper is built, take a lap around the high-speed oval of their test track, and join us for a cruise to the German town of Frankenmuth. (We’re making this spouse-friendly.) There’ll be lots of other surprises, too! Of course, every night, there’ll be a dinner so you can party with your Viper friends!

Since most of you don’t want to stay in downtown Detroit, we’ve booked the Marriott hotel in Auburn Hills as our headquarters hotel, about 30 miles north of Detroit, in the shadow of Chrysler’s headquarters and the Walter P. Chrysler Museum. Not only is the neighborhood is nicer there, it’s cheaper, too! These are regular-sized hotels, not Casinos, so we’ll only be able to accommodate around 500 people in the ballroom. Sign up early if you want to come! Details will follow, but mark your calendar. It’s gonna be a fun time!"

[daytonprowler]

A perfect example is coming up in few weeks at the Texas round up, any Viper owner is welcome voa, vca, or independent. The round up is put together by vca and voa members ,and absolutely no politics or bs aloud. Is time to start enjoying our cars and the owners.

Please join the VOA, we'd love to have you. :)

https://driveviper.com/join/

[Late Apex]

Agree and it's quite ironic that this is posted in the VOA Houston Sub Forum and there is no Houston VCA chapter to speak of. My apologies for posting it on the Houston site but I thought since it was in Texas it might be the place for it. I thought wrong apparently. Most will say there is no place for it on here but whats really ironic is that my thread has had more hits and replies (3600 plus and counting) than any other thread on here by far. More interest or should I say debate than any CEL thread issues, Gen 5 info, what gear ratio, new tire prices, Im number 100, etc. etc. When the VOI was announced I just assumed everyone would be on board to attend as all the previous ones were a blast. I did not follow the politics of last years VCA fiasco and was unaware of those involved. I just drive mostly I guess. It will be interesting to see the turn out and even more interesting of those members of the VOA in the side lines not posting here that will attend. I also respect and am amazed that no one has said "Hey mods, delete this post, it has no place here" as I used to see a lot on the VCA. Guess this is the time someone will run with my quote to be funny! Respectfully, a proud VOA member.

[FLATOUT]

And that's why I like this club we can have open debate and open discourse without forcing people away. This thread is a prime example of how I had hoped things would be run here. Every Viper owner is capable and rightly allowed to his or her opinion and course of action. It nice for me to be able to say "hey I don't personally support something," and then not recieve 5 nasty PM's from moderators threatening me.

I'm planning on attending the roundup because it has never been a VCA sponsored event and a simple gathering of Viper people.

I would like to see one National Viper Club and I think as a community we are well on the way to achieving that goal.



My apologies for posting it on the Houston site but I thought since it was in Texas it might be the place for it. I thought wrong apparently. Most will say there is no place for it on here but whats really ironic is that my thread has had more hits and replies (3600 plus and counting) than any other thread on here by far. More interest or should I say debate than any CEL thread issues, Gen 5 info, what gear ratio, new tire prices, Im number 100, etc. etc. When the VOI was announced I just assumed everyone would be on board to attend as all the previous ones were a blast. I did not follow the politics of last years VCA fiasco and was unaware of those involved. I just drive mostly I guess. It will be interesting to see the turn out and even more interesting of those members of the VOA in the side lines not posting here that will attend. I also respect and am amazed that no one has said "Hey mods, delete this post, it has no place here" as I used to see a lot on the VCA. Guess this is the time someone will run with my quote to be funny! Respectfully, a proud VOA member.

[FLATOUT]

And don't get to excited there are threads on the site that have been more "viral" than this one. Just a few with more replies in the Gen 3-4 forum only.

http://driveviper.com/forums/threads/378-PICS-Gen-V-intake-on-my-Gen-IV-ACR-PICS

http://driveviper.com/forums/threads/86-Gen-III-amp-IV-Picture-Thread

http://driveviper.com/forums/threads/1829-Underdrive-pulley-question-gen-3-amp-4

http://driveviper.com/forums/threads/206-Gen-IV-s-over-600rwhp

[PatrickB]

And don't get to excited there are threads on the site that have been more "viral" than this one. Just a few with more replies in the Gen 3-4 forum only.

Haha I was wondering about that, didn't sound right when I read it.. :D

[daytonprowler]

My apologies for posting it on the Houston site but I thought since it was in Texas it might be the place for it. I thought wrong apparently. Most will say there is no place for it on here but whats really ironic is that my thread has had more hits and replies (3600 plus and counting) than any other thread on here by far. More interest or should I say debate than any CEL thread issues, Gen 5 info, what gear ratio, new tire prices, Im number 100, etc. etc. When the VOI was announced I just assumed everyone would be on board to attend as all the previous ones were a blast. I did not follow the politics of last years VCA fiasco and was unaware of those involved. I just drive mostly I guess. It will be interesting to see the turn out and even more interesting of those members of the VOA in the side lines not posting here that will attend. I also respect and am amazed that no one has said "Hey mods, delete this post, it has no place here" as I used to see a lot on the VCA. Guess this is the time someone will run with my quote to be funny! Respectfully, a proud VOA member.

The reason your thread has so many hits is because, as Mr. FLATOUT most eloquently stated, we have open debate. No banning, minimal moderating, no brow beating by the moderators.

Points:

1. I don't know who the person (SSSSE YA) is that posted the "Homecoming" event on the VCA site, but they are not a VCA or a VOA member.

2. The "Homecoming" thread by SSSSE YA was originally posted in the "General Viper Discussion" section on the VCA website.

3. A VCA moderator moved the "Homecoming" thread to the "Viper Events and Gatherings" section on the VCA website.

4. Now to the good part. :) Being that SSSSE YA is not a paid VCA member, they are not able to post in either the "Events and Gatherings" section NOR any of the individual "Regional" sections. So the thread had to have been moved by a moderator.

The sticky from that section:
THIS FORUM IS LIMITED TO VCA MEMBERS POSTS (http://forums.viperclub.org/forums/threads/596901-THIS-FORUM-IS-LIMITED-TO-VCA-MEMBERS-POSTS)
Started by Lee00blacksilverGTS (http://forums.viperclub.org/forums/members/21904-Lee00blacksilverGTS)‎, 11-30-2006


5. So since the "Homecoming" thread is in the "Events and Gatherings" section on the VCA website, only paid VCA members can post/respond. So yes, your thread will have a lot of responses here at the VOA. Why, because we do not censor here. And why are there only 3 posts and 495 views about the "Homecoming" on the VCA site? Because you have to be a PAID VCA member to post in those sections. You can look but you can't post. It's typical VCA.

We don't have VCA policies like this at the VOA. VOA member or not, a person can start a thread wherever they want and respond to any thread they want to on the VOA website.

The VCA needs the members from the VOA to pull off their VOI event or any event for that matter. Their desperation shows by continually sending out email blasts to VOA members.

The VOA wasn't started just to have a second Viper club. It was started for a reason.

Rant over. :)

[Uncle Paul]

I know there are politics on both forums, but maybe a solution is for each club to throw a Invitational on alternative years. Everyone is welcome to both.

While some radical people would want each club to boycott the others events, really the only ones to suffer would be the members of each respective club that would be afraid to "cross the picket line".

This would result in twice as many events for every member to attend. Better run, and better events for both clubs, and it would let SRT off the hook for trying not to play favorites with the two clubs.

The church I go to allows everyone to attend services, no matter what religion they follow. All are welcome.

[XSnake]

I know there are politics on both forums, but maybe a solution is for each club to throw a Invitational on alternative years. Everyone is welcome to both.

While some radical people would want each club to boycott the others events, really the only ones to suffer would be the members of each respective club that would be afraid to "cross the picket line".

This would result in twice as many events for every member to attend. Better run, and better events for both clubs, and it would let SRT off the hook for trying not to play favorites with the two clubs.

The church I go to allows everyone to attend services, no matter what religion they follow. All are welcome.

I haven't seen either club make a statement about not allowing non members to their event. I believe both clubs have said that pricing may be different for non members but all are welcome.

[FLATOUT]

No one in the VOA is instructing ANY member not to go, we DON'T do that here. People make their own choices based on their own personal experiences.

I would never attend or support anything that has the VCA attached to it based on my personal experiences in dealing with that clubs leadership. Try having the National President Lee Stubberfield call you at home and scream at you like some crazed lunatic for 20 minutes and then recieve a lifetime ban because you disagreed with his politics. Or my experience of watching the VCA leadership try to take down the most important figure in keeping the Viper platform alive, Ralph G. Or watching our local chapter lose long time members due to bannings, that made for a year long awkward set of gatherings, trying to figure out if long time members were still welcome or if we should ask them to take a hike.

These are my experiences and this is why I choose to avoid anything attached to the VCA.



I know there are politics on both forums, but maybe a solution is for each club to throw a Invitational on alternative years. Everyone is welcome to both.

While some radical people would want each club to boycott the others events, really the only ones to suffer would be the members of each respective club that would be afraid to "cross the picket line".

This would result in twice as many events for every member to attend. Better run, and better events for both clubs, and it would let SRT off the hook for trying not to play favorites with the two clubs.

The church I go to allows everyone to attend services, no matter what religion they follow. All are welcome.

[plumcrazy]

i swear the post 3 above this is not me....lol

[Shooter]

I know there are politics on both forums, but maybe a solution is for each club to throw a Invitational on alternative years. Everyone is welcome to both.

While some radical people would want each club to boycott the others events, really the only ones to suffer would be the members of each respective club that would be afraid to "cross the picket line".

This would result in twice as many events for every member to attend. Better run, and better events for both clubs, and it would let SRT off the hook for trying not to play favorites with the two clubs.

The church I go to allows everyone to attend services, no matter what religion they follow. All are welcome.

Sounds like hard times over at the VCA. More posts by the minions trying to get people to fund the BS club.
Oh btw, Didn't I see you post on the Alley not too long ago trying to stir up crap about Ralph?. You have zero credibility here sport... Beep Beep ya

[99RT10]

"You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Shooter again". Well said young man! Wish I could REP ya again.

[daytonprowler]

I know there are politics on both forums, but maybe a solution is for each club to throw a Invitational on alternative years. Everyone is welcome to both.

While some radical people would want each club to boycott the others events, really the only ones to suffer would be the members of each respective club that would be afraid to "cross the picket line".

This would result in twice as many events for every member to attend. Better run, and better events for both clubs, and it would let SRT off the hook for trying not to play favorites with the two clubs.

The church I go to allows everyone to attend services, no matter what religion they follow. All are welcome.

Uncle Paul,

It's funny that you have the luxury of posting here, yet most of the VOA Officers, Directors, Presidents, and a very large number of VOA members are "boycotted" or not allowed to post on your VCA website. On a personal note, would you please send me my 4 Viper Magazines I'm still missing.... I paid for them.

You bring the "church" analogy to the table.

Your VCA "church" has excommunicated, banned, moderated, threatened, censured, suspended hundreds of Viper owners. Your VCA "church" has changed the "pastor" and a few of the "deacons", but your "church" doctrine is still the same, maybe even worse now. I do not know of any "church" that tries to blantantly solicit members away from another "church".... except one, the VCA "church". The constant barrage of VCA emails to our members shows true desperation.

The VOA "church" WELCOMES all Viper owners. Period.

Paul, press the link below and set yourself free. Set yourself free from all the cheating, lying, stealing, grief, and headaches over there. What's the worst that could happen? You'll be part of a well respected automobile club, you'll get a membership packet, four high quality magazines, and most important, fun with a lot of the people you have hung out with for many years. It's only two tanks of gas.

https://driveviper.com/join/

[Revolution]

Well said!

[cubican]

I know there are politics on both forums, but maybe a solution is for each club to throw a Invitational on alternative years. Everyone is welcome to both.

While some radical people would want each club to boycott the others events, really the only ones to suffer would be the members of each respective club that would be afraid to "cross the picket line".

This would result in twice as many events for every member to attend. Better run, and better events for both clubs, and it would let SRT off the hook for trying not to play favorites with the two clubs.

The church I go to allows everyone to attend services, no matter what religion they follow. All are welcome.
I agree 100%. we are all viper owners.

[daytonprowler]

Uncle Paul,

It's funny that you have the luxury of posting here, yet most of the VOA Officers, Directors, Presidents, and a very large number of VOA members are "boycotted" or not allowed to post on your VCA website. On a personal note, would you please send me my 4 Viper Magazines I'm still missing.... I paid for them.

You bring the "church" analogy to the table.

Your VCA "church" has excommunicated, banned, moderated, threatened, censured, suspended hundreds of Viper owners. Your VCA "church" has changed the "pastor" and a few of the "deacons", but your "church" doctrine is still the same, maybe even worse now. I do not know of any "church" that tries to blantantly solicit members away from another "church".... except one, the VCA "church". The constant barrage of VCA emails to our members shows true desperation.

The VOA "church" WELCOMES all Viper owners. Period.

Paul, press the link below and set yourself free. Set yourself free from all the cheating, lying, stealing, grief, and headaches over there. What's the worst that could happen? You'll be part of a well respected automobile club, you'll get a membership packet, four high quality magazines, and most important, fun with a lot of the people you have hung out with for many years. It's only two tanks of gas.

https://driveviper.com/join/


I agree 100%. we are all viper owners.

Cubican, you are also welcome to set yourself free:

https://driveviper.com/join/

[FLATOUT]

Agree well said Randal + rep. It's a free market, and people will vote with their pocketbook. We don't tell members in Houston what club to belong to it's their choice, we would love to have everyone but I dout we'll ever get everyone with an elitist attitude about one club over the other. Our events and member base speaks for itself.

[ViperTony]

Let's not forget that regions didn't receive member dues for the 2nd half of 2013 among other transgressions. Uncle Paul may call it politics but I call it thievery. The list of transgressions this current VCA leadership has undertaken casts a wide dark shadow. I don't wish to be near that shadow. If VOI was being organized and run by a respected organization such as SRT, VOA or even PETA then I'd attend. But that's not the case. I made the decision that my money is not going to support that organization. Nobody is telling members to boycott anything. We're all adults and we can make our own decisions. Good luck with the event but please don't bring that stench over here anymore.

[FLATOUT]

I agree 100%. we are all viper owners.

Of course we are, some were just extremely detrimental to the community and there are alot of us that will never forget that. I hope you VCA diehards appreciate the opportunity to openly discuss something as hot button as this issue is free of excessive moderation and riducule.

When I type in FLATOUT into the VCA website it says

BANNED
Reason given: NONE
Date ban will be lifted: NEVER

[cubican]

Please join the VOA, we'd love to have you. :)

https://driveviper.com/join/

The problem I have with the VOA is exactly treads like these one and many others like it. I like for tread to stay on point with out any politics. Racing Vipers at COTA is a big deal and a very fun event that anyone is welcome. Is time for me to enjoy my Viper and the owners Im done with the VCA VOA politics and the constant BS, Im going to do what I want with who I want. Cheers Pedro.

[FLATOUT]

Are you kidding? This is the absolute only thread like this that is ongoing.



The problem I have with the VOA is exactly treads like these one and many others like it. I like for tread to stay on point with out any politics. Racing Vipers at COTA is a big deal and a very fun event that anyone is welcome. Is time for me to enjoy my Viper and the owners Im done with the VCA VOA politics and the constant BS, Im going to do what I want with who I want. Cheers Pedro.

And Pedro racing Vipers at COTA isn't exclusive to the VCA, MTNBKR was just out there along with Treesnake and a few others just a couple weeks ago, it won't be the first or last time a person has to run their Viper at COTA, it simply take you opening your wallet and getting in with a group that has the track for the weekend.

[XSnake]

we are all viper owners.

Please show me anyone who is saying any different???

People ARE saying they don't wish to associate or support a group that has attacked the CEO of the manufacture, lied to membership, held an illegal raffle, banned extremely well respected members, and denied there are any issues in the club.

You seem to still be drunk on the kool aid.

Each person makes their own decisions, 1,500 have chosen to go in a different direction. Have fun talking to the Bob's on the other site.

[XSnake]

The problem I have with the VOA is exactly treads like these one and many others like it. I like for tread to stay on point with out any politics. Racing Vipers at COTA is a big deal and a very fun event that anyone is welcome. Is time for me to enjoy my Viper and the owners Im done with the VCA VOA politics and the constant BS, Im going to do what I want with who I want. Cheers Pedro.

Nobody is telling you not to. People are just telling you they won't be joining you, deal with it.

[BlknBlu]

As i have stated before, people can feel free to attend any Viper events no matter what club is hosting. The problem is how the breakout of the funding occurs and how it can hurt or help each organization. Tough choices need to be made by members on where there funds will go. 2 clubs are fighting for supremacy and one day we should get back to one. Till then i choose (my own choice) to send my funds to VOA. there are plenty of other non club related events we can all attend.

Bruce

[cubican]

Are you kidding? This is the absolute only thread like this that is ongoing.




And Pedro racing Vipers at COTA isn't exclusive to the VCA, MTNBKR was just out there along with Treesnake and a few others just a couple weeks ago, it won't be the first or last time a person has to run their Viper at COTA, it simply take you opening your wallet and getting in with a group that has the track for the weekend.

Missing a chance to race at Cota with an all Viper line up is special. I just hate not to see your car there.

[cubican]

As i have stated before, people can feel free to attend any Viper events no matter what club is hosting. The problem is how the breakout of the funding occurs and how it can hurt or help each organization. Tough choices need to be made by members on where there funds will go. 2 clubs are fighting for supremacy and one day we should get back to one. Till then i choose (my own choice) to send my funds to VOA. there are plenty ofother no club related events we can all attend.

Bruce
!00% correct we all have a choices no need to keep on same old negative coments over and over over.

[daytonprowler]

The problem I have with the VOA is exactly treads like these one and many others like it. I like for tread to stay on point with out any politics. Racing Vipers at COTA is a big deal and a very fun event that anyone is welcome. Is time for me to enjoy my Viper and the owners Im done with the VCA VOA politics and the constant BS, Im going to do what I want with who I want. Cheers Pedro.

You are entitled to your opinion, and can speak it freely here at the VOA. Unfortunately the VCA policys of old are still there. The "doctrine" is still there. One cannot speak freely at the VCA. The only way any VCA run event will succeed is getting non-VCA members there. The VCA does not have the support, it's simple numbers. Why would anyone give money to that organization?

Here is an alternative:
https://driveviper.com/join/

[FLATOUT]

Nobody is telling you not to. People are just telling you they won't be joining you, deal with it.

Thank you, I have no idea why anyone cares whether I attend an event or not. I hang out with people I click with and enjoy. I didn't "enjoy" my time in the VCA so I moved on simple as that.


Missing a chance to race at Cota with an all Viper line up is special. I just hate not to see your car there.

Ok, well you won't, sorry to dissapoint. I'm a huge College Football fan as well and a Graduate of Texas A&M, I don't attend Longhorn Football games either;)


!00% correct we all have a choices no need to keep on same old negative coments over and over over.

You are more than welcome to not post in this thread or read it if it is bothering you.

[daytonprowler]

Missing a chance to race at Cota with an all Viper line up is special. I just hate not to see your car there.

Actually, I'd be willing to come to your event if a tour of VPA and the VCA Management company is included. I see the same mailing address is listed for both. Two birds with one stone? Maybe I could pick up my magazines while I'm there. :) I can also pick up the checks/money that the VCA stills owes the regions from 2013. It will save on the postage.

https://driveviper.com/join/

[Janni]

Missing a chance to race at Cota with an all Viper line up is special. I just hate not to see your car there.

Racing at COTA? Is this a new VOI attraction? VOIs have never been about "racing" - and it's always been instructor in car / light DE type track events - mostly just to say you have driven on that track. I would suggest that calling something a chance to "race at COTA with an all Viper line up" is misleading AND dangerous.

[FLATOUT]

!00% correct we all have a choices no need to keep on same old negative coments over and over over.

BTW I plan on coming to the round up and I'm sure we'll have a chance to talk face to face. I'd be more than happy to talk with you over a beer about whatever Viper or Viper Club related.

[cubican]

BTW I plan on coming to the round up and I'm sure we'll have a chance to talk face to face. I'd be more than happy to talk with you over a beer about whatever Viper or Viper Club related.

Cheers, we will have a drink or two, but no VOA VCA junk, all viper talk

[sparkrn]

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This would result in twice as many events for every member to attend. Better run, and better events for both clubs, and it would let SRT off the hook for trying not to play favorites with the two clubs.


This is not true as usual. It would only result in one added event: VOI, there are no local regions available in the vca, therefore no events.

[Leslie]

DITTO!

And they just posted you only get 3 laps at a time haha! My tires would just START to be getting warmed up!!!




Racing at COTA? Is this a new VOI attraction? VOIs have never been about "racing" - and it's always been instructor in car / light DE type track events - mostly just to say you have driven on that track. I would suggest that calling something a chance to "race at COTA with an all Viper line up" is misleading AND dangerous.

[LittleCobra]

Didn't everyone get 3 laps at a time in the loaner Vipers at VOI 11?

[Brian GTS]

Cheers, we will have a drink or two, but no VOA VCA junk, all viper talk

I think your opinion would be drastically different if you were trying to effectively operate a local club region under the VCA...and had to deal with their constant lies and deception on a regular basis. The FACT is the VCA has wiped their a$$es with so many of us (including members) for YEARS and virtually nothing has changed over there. Honestly, I was oblivious to the issues in the VCA until I became an officer last year (Regional VP) and experienced it first hand...and it was BAD.

The lies and deception continue which is why so many of us are reluctant to pi$$ another dollar into their bucket to help them rebuild their "corrupt" enterprise. It's kind of like paying taxes to corrupt government...would you feel good about it? Same story here. You might have a great time with your Viper, but you are supporting something that is "not good" for the Viper community.

Of course, it is a free country and you can do what you like, but this is MUCH MORE than simply club politics. Its about moral standards,

[Revolution]

I agree its coming down to principle and if you want to attend but in return your supporting a corrupt cause. It's like buying a puppy from a pet store your supporting puppy mills in the process sure the puppy is cute and all but if everyone quit buying from pet stores it would in turn shut down the corruption in the puppy mills. Nothing is without ramifications good or bad.

[daytonprowler]

I think your opinion would be drastically different if you were trying to effectively operate a local club region under the VCA...and had to deal with their constant lies and deception on a regular basis. The FACT is the VCA has wiped their a$$es with so many of us (including members) for YEARS and virtually nothing has changed over there. Honestly, I was oblivious to the issues in the VCA until I became an officer last year (Regional VP) and experienced it first hand...and it was BAD.

The lies and deception continue which is why so many of us are reluctant to pi$$ another dollar into their bucket to help them rebuild their "corrupt" enterprise. It's kind of like paying taxes to corrupt government...would you feel good about it? Same story here. You might have a great time with your Viper, but you are supporting something that is "not good" for the Viper community.

Of course, it is a free country and you can do what you like, but this is MUCH MORE than simply club politics. Its about moral standards,

It's pretty bad when the VCA National VP makes a suggestion that they shouldn't put any VCA logo/branding on their VOI goodie bags.

[Leslie]

Didn't everyone get 3 laps at a time in the loaner Vipers at VOI 11?

that's kinda like a guy getting 3 minutes with a gorgeous girl.

[Bitten]

A perfect example is coming up in few weeks at the Texas round up, any Viper owner is welcome voa, vca, or independent. The round up is put together by vca and voa members ,and absolutely no politics or bs aloud. Is time to start enjoying our cars and the owners.

The New Orleans / Biloxi event is like that, I am sure that we will have several people who aren't members of either club and who don't want to be in a club. I personally will not pay to be a member of the VCA unless/until they prove they can be honest and above board. I have not seen evidence of that yet.

Houston Viper owners, we are only six hours away and we are having our annual NOLA meet, with NARRA in town on March 22-23rd. We are going to do some cart racing, watch NARRA, drive to Biloxi and you can even run the NOLA track. If anyone wants details to RSVP my email is keschete@yahoo.com

[City]

that's kinda like a guy getting 3 minutes with a gorgeous girl.

In all unfortunate honesty, with a gorgeous girl, that's more than enough for most of us.

[LittleCobra]

In all unfortunate honesty, with a gorgeous girl, that's more than enough for most of us.

Come on Scott they can not all be bad :) You just need to "know" them and strike lucky with one that lets you have patience with her. My girl was the 7:22 Nurburgring ACR so I am very grateful for what little time her and I had together. Don't they say that one needs to appreciate the small things in life?

[VYPR BYT]

that's kinda like getting 3 minutes with a gorgeous girl.

and you know this... how? :smilielol:

[Leslie]

and you know this... how? :smilielol:

:t1567:

[Shooter]

Please show me anyone who is saying any different???

People ARE saying they don't wish to associate or support a group that has attacked the CEO of the manufacture, lied to membership, held an illegal raffle, banned extremely well respected members, and denied there are any issues in the club.

You seem to still be drunk on the kool aid.

Each person makes their own decisions, 1,500 have chosen to go in a different direction. Have fun talking to the Bob's on the other site.

Yep. Pretty well sums it up.

[Leslie]

Hahaha!!!




In all unfortunate honesty, with a gorgeous girl, that's more than enough for most of us.

[Late Apex]

Not to bring this alive again but the host resort hotel and spa in San Antonio is La Cantera resort and the track is COTA one hour away via high speed highway from the resort. Only 169.00 a night. Even if you are not going, google this awesome place to see and stay sometime. WOW it looks incredible with golf course etc.. Prices for reg. are inline if not lower than previous events too.

[City]

Not to bring this alive again but

Can you possibly be any more disingenuous?

[Brian GTS]

Can you possibly be any more disingenuous?

++++++1

[plumcrazy]

Can you possibly be any more disingenuous?

lol.

[Late Apex]

http://www.resortlacantera.com/ +++1 on this place too. LOL. Fancy word there. Reminds me of The Spin Zone words with Bill O. The photos/videos after the event of course not posted here should be awesome. Now don't peek on that other site later this year for all the posts and photos ref. the event.

[FLATOUT]

Still not going.

[PatrickB]

The photos/videos after the event of course not posted here should be awesome. Now don't peek on that other site later this year for all the posts and photos ref. the event.

Honestly, who gives a shit about the photos from the event? If we cared, we'd be going.. ;)

[Snakebit]

Time to drop it already. :t0135:

[Viper Girl]

I think this thread has run its course. Anyone interested in VOI13 knows where to find info on it.

Unless someone has something useful to add to this thread, I believe its time to either let it die off or close it.

It's time to stop :t0152:

[Shooter]

I think this thread has run its course. Anyone interested in VOI13 knows where to find info on it.

Unless someone has something useful to add to this thread, I believe its time to either let it die off or close it.

It's time to stop :t0152:

I agree with Viper Girl. Let it end. Nobody here really cares about the other clubs events.

[plumcrazy]

yes, make it stop

[Viper Girl]

In 7 hours, I've had no protests to closing this thread... it is now closed.