Gen V oil and filter?

[gutterworks129]

What kind of filter and oil should I run in the Gen 5? I went to the dealer to get the "Viper" filter and they said it used a different filter. I ordered two filters and was checking with you guys to see what everyone's using. Oil as well...

[Policy Limits]

I used the Mopar filter for my first change.

[Space Truckin]

I use the Mopar filter and Pennzoil 0-40 syn :furious: had a heck of a time finding the Pennzoil. What happened w Mobil1??

[johniew398]

I use the Mopar filter and Pennzoil 0-40 syn :furious: had a heck of a time finding the Pennzoil. What happened w Mobil1??

SRT switched. Here's where I ordered mine.

http://www.specialtylubes.com/catalog/product/view/id/4/s/pennzoil-ultra-0w-40/

[Space Truckin]

SRT switched. Here's where I ordered mine.

http://www.specialtylubes.com/catalog/product/view/id/4/s/pennzoil-ultra-0w-40/

I understood they switched, but why?

[Brian E]

I have a large amount of Mobil 1 Euro spec 0W-40 on hand that I have been using in my 2010 Coupe. When I bought my new TA, I asked the dealerships Viper tech if there was any reason not to use the Mobil 1 in the new TA. He said no problem, go ahead and use it. He did recomend using the Mopar oil filter.

This subject came up on another website. Below is a post that I made in that thread. It may be of interest here.


There is a site that I have been following that is posting the wear test results of a wide variety of oils. Not sure if I am allowed to post the link here, but below is an exerpt for a few of the popular oils that as Viper owners we may consider using in our cars.

http://540ratblog.wordpress.com/

540RAT – TECH FACTS, NOT MYTHS



Wear protection reference categories are:

• Over 105,000 psi = INCREDIBLE wear protection

• 90,000 to 105,000 psi = OUTSTANDING wear protection

• 75,000 to 90,000 psi = GOOD wear protection

• 60,000 to 75,000 psi = MODEST wear protection

• Below 60,000 psi = UNDESIRABLE wear protection

All the oils were tested at a representative operational temperature of 230*F.

The HIGHER the psi value, the BETTER the Wear Protection.



65. 0W40 Mobil 1, API SN, European Formula, made in the U.S., synthetic = 82,644 psi
zinc = TBD
phos = TBD
moly = TBD

66. 0W40 Pennzoil Ultra, API SN, synthetic = 81,863 psi
zinc = TBD
phos = TBD
moly = TBD

85. 5W40 MOBIL 1 TURBO DIESEL TRUCK synthetic, API CJ-4, CI-4 Plus, CI-4, CH-4 and ACEA E7 = 74,312 psi
zinc = 1211 ppm
phos = 1168 ppm
moly = 2 ppm

98. 15W50 Mobil 1, API SN synthetic = 70,235 psi
zinc = 1,133 ppm
phos = 1,168 ppm
moly = 83 ppm

[swexlin]

THe switch was for politics. Pennzoil (which I've been running 10W 30 Ultra in my Gen 3) is owned by Shell, which I believe supplies for Ferrari. Mobil 1 and Pennzoil are both excellent products. In fact, as long as you run a brand name that meets spec, you should be fine.

[Nine Ball]

Agreed. Any good brand 0-40 works. I used Mobil1 on my changes.

[johniew398]

I understood they switched, but why?

Sorry, and the reason as someone else said was probably politics.

I would also bet there is a financial incentive for a car manufacturer to fill all their new cars with a particular brand. Good advertisement for the oil company.

[Bill Pemberton]

No politics, simply a new contract. Mobil 1 had the contract for a long time, and Pennzoil/Shell came in with benefits to Chrysler Corp, so there was an internal oil change. Initially Dealerships ran
5-40W Pennzoil Synthetic, but now Dealerships can get the new 0-40W formulation. We still carry both, and no reason not to use 0-40W Mobil 1 if you have plenty on hand - both are good products.

[gutterworks129]

Thanks for the info about this. I got 500 miles and probably dump it and change it out. Piece of mind with new oil.

[EdwardETraylorIII]

Mobil1 makes a great filter for our cars. It's the M1-210.

[Bill Pemberton]

Edward,

Mobil 1 may make good filters, but they were not specifically designed for the Viper. The Viper specific SRT filter was designed for the Viper , in conjunction with the top SRT Engineers and works great with
the high flow rates, pressure , etc. They are very reasonably priced and there is no need to buy aftermarket ones that were made to work on a varied number of applications. SRT now used the filter
for all it's vehicles due to the superior characteristics and this has kept the cost down with higher volume.

Just my humble opinion, but have tracked Vipers since 1999, and the application is key to alot of us, as the new filter came from racing and was extensively tested for the high g loads, high capacity , and flow back rates for the Snake -- it is a superior product , done by some very talented dudes at Chrysler that are track rats and afficianados themselves!!

[Russ Oasis]

I read through the research and it appears that multi viscosity oil that has a lower number of 5W rather than the recommended 0W, does a better job of lubrication. Is it possible that we should be running 5W/40W rather than 0W/40W?

[Steve M]

I love the Mobil 1 0w40. Why? Because I can go to Wal-Mart, and for ~$26, I can get a 5 qt jug of the stuff...two of those and a single quart later you have a full oil change for something that uses approximately 20 dinosaurs every year or 5,000 miles, whichever comes first.

[MI Viper]

I read through the research and it appears that multi viscosity oil that has a lower number of 5W rather than the recommended 0W, does a better job of lubrication. Is it possible that we should be running 5W/40W rather than 0W/40W?

I'm curious also, especially here in Fl. during the summer time, I would think that running 5W/40W would hold up better under the extreme heat we see all summer. Right now, I have sitting in the garage, an SRT oil fliter, and 10qts of Mobil 1 0W/40W ready to go... What do the track rats run in the summer? Bill P.?
Thanks,
MI V.

[Bill Pemberton]

I run 0-40W Mobil 1, but alot of the guys will run 15-50W. I change mine so frequently that I have always felt it worked fine and I always liked a lower viscosity number for start-up. More and more guys
were running 20 and 30W oils on the track for HP gain ( in other classes of cars , not necessarily Vipers ) , that I just stuck with what I had run forever.

Russ, I can only answer when Shell got the contract with Chrysler , only 5-40W was in their formulation. The simple answer is they are now producing it in a 0-40W , and that is even listed on the oil
cap. So sounds like a good enough that they spent the bucks to get that formulation.

[MI Viper]

I run 0-40W Mobil 1, but alot of the guys will run 15-50W. I change mine so frequently that I have always felt it worked fine and I always liked a lower viscosity number for start-up. More and more guys
were running 20 and 30W oils on the track for HP gain ( in other classes of cars , not necessarily Vipers ) , that I just stuck with what I had run forever.

Russ, I can only answer when Shell got the contract with Chrysler , only 5-40W was in their formulation. The simple answer is they are now producing it in a 0-40W , and that is even listed on the oil
cap. So sounds like a good enough that they spent the bucks to get that formulation.

Bill,
Thanks, if it's good enough for a vet track rat like yourself, it's good enough for me. I'm coming up on 2000 miles on my 1st oil change, and I checked the level the other day, and it was fine. Some have suggested that I don't wait until the 3,000 mile mark, but I think I will since it's still cool here in FL.
MI V.

[JonB ~ PartsRack]

Hisssstory: Mobil One did not become the 'factory fill' until 1996. Does this mean that 10-30 petroleum oil would be recommended for 1992-1995? Of course not! Petroleum and polymer technology improves as Bill noted, and the upgrade option are superior products. I too use the 0-40 unless, forced by supply issues to go 15-50. Remember Tom Hayden FLOGoR ? His informative posts taught us all a HEAP of info as synthetic entered our world. I miss Tom's posts.


Hisssstory 2: I remember the politics a bit differently of Shell-Pennzoil cutover. Two hints: NASCAR / PENSKE and VIPER CUP. The motorsports commitments of Shell $ponsorship$, as well as technology, played a role in the change.


Hint # 3: There have been occasional issues with Motul motor oils..... LOVE their brake fluid and gear lube, but I wont use Motul in the motor.

[Jack B]

I believe the only reason for the 0W is cold weather starts and the associated mileage tests while in the oil warm up cycle.


I read through the research and it appears that multi viscosity oil that has a lower number of 5W rather than the recommended 0W, does a better job of lubrication. Is it possible that we should be running 5W/40W rather than 0W/40W?

[Viper Girl]

Help a girl out here... What does 5W have that 0W doesn't? In a hot weather climate, what would you normally run?

In the post below, he is using Mobil 1 Euro and that PSI is much higher than what *regular* Mobil one? So wouldn't you want to switch to the Euro Mobil 1?





Wear protection reference categories are:

• Over 105,000 psi = INCREDIBLE wear protection

• 90,000 to 105,000 psi = OUTSTANDING wear protection

• 75,000 to 90,000 psi = GOOD wear protection

• 60,000 to 75,000 psi = MODEST wear protection

• Below 60,000 psi = UNDESIRABLE wear protection

All the oils were tested at a representative operational temperature of 230*F.

The HIGHER the psi value, the BETTER the Wear Protection.



65. 0W40 Mobil 1, API SN, European Formula, made in the U.S., synthetic = 82,644 psi
zinc = TBD
phos = TBD
moly = TBD

66. 0W40 Pennzoil Ultra, API SN, synthetic = 81,863 psi
zinc = TBD
phos = TBD
moly = TBD

85. 5W40 MOBIL 1 TURBO DIESEL TRUCK synthetic, API CJ-4, CI-4 Plus, CI-4, CH-4 and ACEA E7 = 74,312 psi
zinc = 1211 ppm
phos = 1168 ppm
moly = 2 ppm

98. 15W50 Mobil 1, API SN synthetic = 70,235 psi
zinc = 1,133 ppm
phos = 1,168 ppm
moly = 83 ppm

[MI Viper]

Help a girl out here... What does 5W have that 0W doesn't? In a hot weather climate, what would you normally run?

In the post below, he is using Mobil 1 Euro and that PSI is much higher than what *regular* Mobil one? So wouldn't you want to switch to the Euro Mobil 1?

VG,
I run Mobil1 Euro 0W-40W now.
Hope this helps

[Slaughterj]

Hiss Remember Tom Hayden FLOGoR ? His informative posts taught us all a HEAP of info as synthetic entered our world. I miss Tom's posts.


Exactly, whatever happened to him?

[hawk02]

PepBoys carries the 0-40 SRT Penn Ultra oil......

[Exhlr8n]

Hi,

What is the the correct mopar# for the GenV SRT oil filter?

Thanks,

[Brian E]

Hi,

Is the the correct mopar# for the GenV SRT oil filter?

Thanks,

It's the same filter as used on the Gen 4. The dealers near me never seem to have them in stock. Call Jon B and buy a half dozen.
Mopar filter: 05038041AA

[JonB ~ PartsRack]

Hi,

What is the the correct mopar# for the GenV SRT oil filter? Thanks,

Same filter as Gen 4 and SRT8

The # is 360.837.3937 (PartsRack!)

[Bill Pemberton]

We always have a bunch in stock --Mark keeps them loaded and we give each new customer one, so they don't run into the problem you are finding Brian.

[Thawk97]

It does seem odd that according the research doc linked earlier, the greater the gap the worse the wear protection (0W-40 vs 5w-40 etc.) and yet SRT made the switch. Must be some other factors influencing the choice? If the GenII's were originally fitted with 10w-30, why increase the gap and worsen the wear rating (what's the need for 0w if you're not running in cold weather)?

[Jack B]

Just a guess - mandated testing for mileage during a cold start.


It does seem odd that according the research doc linked earlier, the greater the gap the worse the wear protection (0W-40 vs 5w-40 etc.) and yet SRT made the switch. Must be some other factors influencing the choice? If the GenII's were originally fitted with 10w-30, why increase the gap and worsen the wear rating (what's the need for 0w if you're not running in cold weather)?

[JonB ~ PartsRack]

Just a guess - mandated testing for mileage during a cold start.

EXCELLENT GUESS!

Bonus if you appreciate near-instant oil pressure when cranking for start, even when warm.