Viper resales

[aspman]

Curious if any of these 140k$ plus vipers I see out there are actually pulling that money on sales?

[99RT10]

They should be selling for $200K......

[ViperTony]

They should be selling for $200K......

Referenced.

[catwood]

Seriously I turned down $135K on mine just today from a guy that approached me.

[aspman]

nice
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[Stealth78]

There are two beautiful examples in that price range +/- $5K in the classified that apparently aren't flying off the shelves. That one in Lamborghini Balloon White is sexy as all Hell! Why has that car not sold within a reasonable price of what he's asking???

[Scott_in_fl]

There are two beautiful examples in that price range +/- $5K in the classified that apparently aren't flying off the shelves. That one in Lamborghini Balloon White is sexy as all Hell! Why has that car not sold within a reasonable price of what he's asking???

I think that is very typical. Most cars in this price range will take a good bit of time to sell. I've been keeping an eye on some Mac 650S and GT3 RS cars, and they tend to sit for a long time before they sell. Go poke around cargurus.com and you'll see the length of time that cars have been sitting.

I think a lot of it has to do with the fact that most sellers in this price range do not need to give the cars away. They will hold out for their price, and time is on their side. Prices of new cars move higher each year, with inflation and increased demand for desirable models. So, sellers can just wait it out it seems.

[aspman]

what does referenced mean?

[99RT10]

what does referenced mean?

It means he is going to use it against me when I try to buy his really really cheap. :D :D

[Fourtrax250r]

I wonder if viper prices will plummet when everyone jumps on the C8 mid engine band wagon later this year.

[ForTehNguyen]

if a ZR1 was 130k imagine how much a Zora is going to cost

[serpent]

I wonder if viper prices will plummet when everyone jumps on the C8 mid engine band wagon later this year.
No, because its a base corvette. Not a z06 and not a ZR1. If GM can print the corvette thousands per hour they would. Thats why there are so many z06 cars out there that retailed for over 100k and now selling for 60s in less than 4 years, they made too many.
Dodge made around 3700 Gen V Vipers, I bet at least +250 have been totaled/lemon'd.

[OneofOneViper]

There are two beautiful examples in that price range +/- $5K in the classified that apparently aren't flying off the shelves. That one in Lamborghini Balloon White is sexy as all Hell! Why has that car not sold within a reasonable price of what he's asking???

For reference, you are correct that no one has given me an offer I'm willing to accept. I'm pretty firm on price, don't need to sell and think the car is worth way more anyways. I just don't like cars sitting around. I have had a total of 5 offers (including 2 dealers) willing to buy the car right at $135k or more, but I've turned them all down. I've also had a few dozen offers below 135k. Everyone buying right now is looking for a deal. If they want an incredible deal, they can go get one that isn't in as good of condition. 2016 models, more miles, not custom, stories... those are the only ones that those buyers will end up with. I have been watching the 2017's for sale in the last couple months, and of the 3 listed at 140k or lower, they have all sold almost in a matter of a couple weeks. I know that one sold for `138k and a non-custom sold for 137k. I also know that someone is buying the competition blue 2017 at Viper Exchange which is listed at 149k, but not sure what they are paying.

Anyways, hope that gives you some insight. I did take my nephew out in it around the block the other day, but he was more interested in my Mclaren--he's 10 and still learning.

[Mark1107]

A local ACR seller I was going to buy from jacked the price up 10k he quoted me on the phone 1 hour later in person to 50 grand over msrp, and I walked away when I realized the value wasn’t there, same with another texas GTSR. I’m glad I waited, GTSRs can be bought around msrp, and since I drive my Stryker green once a month owning a business and a 2 yr old daughter and a new house purchased, my priorities have realigned to other goals.

[ViperJon]

A local ACR seller I was going to buy from jacked the price up 10k he quoted me on the phone 1 hour later in person to 50 grand over msrp, and I walked away when I realized the value wasn’t there, same with another texas GTSR. I’m glad I waited, GTSRs can be bought around msrp, and since I drive my Stryker green once a month owning a business and a 2 yr old daughter and a new house purchased, my priorities have realigned to other goals.

Death, taxes and Mark 1107 deriding special edition resale values. Three things that are certain in life. And always the SAME story about how he almost bought one at some inflated price but didn’t. Literally the tenth time now as if anyone cares why he doesn’t own one. But.....another year goes by and still driving that same green thing that has easily lost 25% of its value while SE owners are still holding value nicely. And he still doesn’t own one. Congrats on the “realignment” lol.

[commandomatt]

Msrp is the best most 17’s will get.

Considering the cars are 2 years old now, and that you can still get MSRP, is pretty outstanding. Show me other cars in this category that will hold like that. At this time you can still find them as you point out but give it a few years and I am sure that availability will change quite a bit. Many did buy on speculation and didn't get that instant return they wanted. Once the cars end up in the hands of enthusiasts, there wont be as many for sale. Especially since there are no new ones to trade up to. I think this trend will be across the board for all generations

[ACRSNK]

Msrp is the best most 17’s will get. Even special editions. I have the receipts. Most 17’s are overpriced but auction results and stale ads are the viper way. I could call out like 5-10 2017 owners that thought 200k would happen, but the gen v market has readjusted itself. Not bottomed out but all of the special editions marked over msrp are stale ads at 3 to 9 months old and still for sale. I saw a 17 voodoo 2 go for 150 last month, 3 GTSRs go for below msrp, and russian flag and snakeskin green sit stale for almost a year. ( Along with 8 or 9 GTSR ‘s on the market now with no bites! 2 in SoCal, 1 in Ohio, 1 in Arkansas, 2-3 at Viper Exchange, and 1-2 in Chicago.)

What’s interesting are Orange TAs and Stryker Greens and Stryker reds are going for 95k to 115k which is below msrp but above regular srts and GTS’s. (I paid 90k for my Stryker green brand new with an msrp of 142,000.) I paid 120k for my tricolor 16 ACR and sold it for 125k.

Ymmv good luck. I bet lots of stale ad owners are willing to take less with a potential slowdown in the economy coming in 19 with the idiot politicians leading the charge.

What was the sticker on the Voo Doo that sold for $150K? What are the numbers on the 3 GTS-R's that went for under MSRP as I am not aware of that happening and I follow these cars pretty closely. You still seem to have a hard on for the ACR, whether it be an SE model, or regular model. In 5 years from now you will be posting again stating that you saw more sold at under MSRP and that you could have had one for well below MSRP and guess what...you still won't have one and still....no one will care. Not sure why you even post on here as no one really cares what you have to say. You have literally become a troll on this site.

[ViperGeorge]

I never get these "How much is a Viper Worth" threads. Last year an ACR/TA sold for $231,000++ at BJ in Scotsdale. They had an MSRP of around $125,000. There is another for sale this year at BJ. Personally I say "So What?" Ok, it is interesting to see what people will spend for one of the ten ACR/TAs, I guess it is fun to watch. However, I drive mine that's what I bought it for and I have no plans to sell it. In fact I have over 16,000 miles on it and by the end of May I'll have over 20,000.

Didn't most of you buy a Viper because you wanted to drive it? If you bought it as an investment, well good luck with that. Very few cars appreciate a lot over the years. Maybe in 20 years Vipers will bring huge dollars like Ford GTs or Hemi Cudas but for now I say just drive them, you can't predict the future. Besides if the democrats ever have their way there won't be any gas available in 20 years as all cars will be solar or wind powered (See the Green New Deal that the crazy Alexandria Ocasio-Cortes from NY is pushing). Or they will simply tax you so much that you couldn't afford the gas for the Viper.

End of rant, we now resume our regularly scheduled programming.

[ViperGarageElite]

I never get these "How much is a Viper Worth" threads. Last year an ACR/TA sold for $231,000++ at BJ in Scotsdale. They had an MSRP of around $125,000. There is another for sale this year at BJ. Personally I say "So What?" Ok, it is interesting to see what people will spend for one of the ten ACR/TAs, I guess it is fun to watch. However, I drive mine that's what I bought it for and I have no plans to sell it. In fact I have over 16,000 miles on it and by the end of May I'll have over 20,000.

Didn't most of you buy a Viper because you wanted to drive it? If you bought it as an investment, well good luck with that. Very few cars appreciate a lot over the years. Maybe in 20 years Vipers will bring huge dollars like Ford GTs or Hemi Cudas but for now I say just drive them, you can't predict the future. Besides if the democrats ever have their way there won't be any gas available in 20 years as all cars will be solar or wind powered (See the Green New Deal that the crazy Alexandria Ocasio-Cortes from NY is pushing). Or they will simply tax you so much that you couldn't afford the gas for the Viper.

End of rant, we now resume our regularly scheduled programming.Finally someone who speaks with some truth.Thank you for some common sense thread posting these are some weird times this country could face. I'm with you on this thanks

[Mark1107]

It's hilarious how upset everyone gets when you speak the truth. Everyone responding to me can't use facts so they resort to insults. Isn't that a sign of losing an argument? Lol. Carry on. I love the forums and I'm not going anywhere!

[Scott_in_fl]

Considering the cars are 2 years old now, and that you can still get MSRP, is pretty outstanding. Show me other cars in this category that will hold like that. At this time you can still find them as you point out but give it a few years and I am sure that availability will change quite a bit. Many did buy on speculation and didn't get that instant return they wanted. Once the cars end up in the hands of enthusiasts, there wont be as many for sale. Especially since there are no new ones to trade up to. I think this trend will be across the board for all generations

Winner. As with most things in life, it's all about timing. During any given month, on any given year, average selling prices will fluctuate. Are average prices a shade lower this month (at the height of winter) than they were 6 months ago? Perhaps. Does it say anything about average prices 6 months from now, or 6 years from now? Of course not. If anyone thinks otherwise, then they clearly do not own any investments.

That said, prices are going up over the mid to longer term. We've talked about the reasons for this ad nauseam (increasing size of global market wants a piece of Americana, increased wealth among elites, increased shift to collectible cars as store of value, limited production volume, end of naturally aspirated V10 and manual shift cars, end of fossil fuel burners, noteworthy hisstory, lap records, etc., etc., etc.).

Notable American cars from the '60's and '70's in original condition and in mint shape are already in the stratosphere. '80's and '90's cars are moving now -- go look for a clean '92 or a '96 b/w and you'll see that you'll be paying more this year than a few years ago. Scoop one while you still can. '00's and '10's will be next. The more limited the production and the more rare the build, the quicker and greater the rise in market prices. That's actual history that you can verify right now -- not some wild speculation.

[ACRSNK]

It's hilarious how upset everyone gets when you speak the truth. Everyone responding to me can't use facts so they resort to insults. Isn't that a sign of losing an argument? Lol. Carry on. I love the forums and I'm not going anywhere!

Since you are sticking around, why not post the ACTUAL info on the cars you refer to in your previous post. Without specific details, isn't your post just completely useless?

[Scott_in_fl]

It's hilarious how upset everyone gets when you speak the truth. Everyone responding to me can't use facts so they resort to insults. Isn't that a sign of losing an argument? Lol. Carry on. I love the forums and I'm not going anywhere!

Mark, if you're so certain of your position, perhaps you're interested in selling me a 10-year call option on SE's with an MSRP strike?

The deal, if I elect to exercise the option anytime before Jan 2029, would require you to source an SE car with less than 10k mi. (in condition befitting of the mileage) and sell it to me at the 2017 window MSRP. For that, I'm willing to put $5k in your pocket today. Sound good?

[ViperJon]

It's simply beyond me why anyone (and a Viper owner no less) would take such unbridled joy and happiness posting about what he perceives as the falling values of ACR-E's. It actually gives him some sort of perverse pleasure in stating and restating for the tenth time how he "almost" bought one but didn't. Not sure if he thinks this makes him look like a savvy buyer with his shrewd decision, but the simple fact is he doesn't and will never own one. And no one here cares....we are enjoying our cars and if they go up or down so be it. What happens when you're just a bottom feeder is the price can never be low enough. And you just become a forum troll.

[Bruce H.]

If anyone reading this had any thought what-so-ever of buying a Viper and squirreling it away as an investment for 20-50 years I'm sure this would discourage them from doing so.
Winner. As with most things in life, it's all about timing. During any given month, on any given year, average selling prices will fluctuate. Are average prices a shade lower this month (at the height of winter) than they were 6 months ago? Perhaps. Does it say anything about average prices 6 months from now, or 6 years from now? Of course not. If anyone thinks otherwise, then they clearly do not own any investments.

That said, prices are going up over the mid to longer term. We've talked about the reasons for this ad nauseam (increasing size of global market wants a piece of Americana, increased wealth among elites, increased shift to collectible cars as store of value, limited production volume, end of naturally aspirated V10 and manual shift cars, end of fossil fuel burners, noteworthy hisstory, lap records, etc., etc., etc.).

Notable American cars from the '60's and '70's in original condition and in mint shape are already in the stratosphere. '80's and '90's cars are moving now -- go look for a clean '92 or a '96 b/w and you'll see that you'll be paying more this year than a few years ago. Scoop one while you still can. '00's and '10's will be next. The more limited the production and the more rare the build, the quicker and greater the rise in market prices. That's actual history that you can verify right now -- not some wild speculation.


Yes, YES, YES!!! Drive and enjoy them like it might be your last chance to and don't bank on glacial changes in global markets, and shifts in this and end of that. And when you're no longer enjoying it please sell to someone who will enjoy and cherish it like you did!


we are enjoying our cars and if they go up or down so be it.

[SharpMan]

I was going to weight in on the value conversation as I do find it somewhat interesting but instead I'll advance that if you don't enjoy the drive then buy something else. Cars generally suck as investments...even the ones that appreciate.

Here I go...I do think a 2017 ACR-E will be something coveted one day. When and how much? Anybody's guess. In the interim I will only be happy if it's something I enjoy driving and owning. So I plan on keeping my Viper as I love it...not because it may or may not hold its value or even go up in value over however many years...

[Coloviper]

You never know what a car will be or sell for. If I was smart, years ago I should have pulled the trigger on a great low mile 360 Challenge Stradale but I didn’t. They shot up in price big time at about $50k increase. A couple years ago I should have pulled the trigger on a low mile 08’ Aston Martin DBS, Casino Royale and Manual. Didn’t and they have shot up about $25k in last year as it gets closer to JB 25. You just never know, even when you suspect and think you know.

Drive what excites you and brings passion in your life. There are no guarantees in life. Vipers go up and Vipers go down. Hell Viper Exchange will bounce the price on the same car $20k between ups and downs in the same month.

The thing that turns potential owners off are massive, massive mods and questionable history. It turns me off. Time will tell how Viper does but if you have one, any Gen, just enjoy it. Nobody who lost a little money or broke even on a sale of their car said man am I glad I didn’t drive it more. There will always be regret. In the future none of these cars may be worth anything. Then again I believe if they sell for their original MRSP they will do awesome. The most they will ever, ever sell for is 50% to 100% of their MRSP in the future. This is not a $7k MRSP 70 Hemi Cuda now selling for $250k. We will never see that appreciation ever again in current car collecting with current cars. Gen 5s will do a slowed new car depreciation for awhile but should do well over time. Older Gens are appreciating but is supply and demand. A lot of young people don’t even care to drive these days so demand may just not be there for any combustion vehicle. I will hopefully be below grade when that happens and my kids will be in the minority of young adults that actually want to drive. Should be exciting for them as no demand, they will be able to cherry pick some awesome rides if they land a good paying job.

[Murpowa]

Winner. As with most things in life, it's all about timing. During any given month, on any given year, average selling prices will fluctuate. Are average prices a shade lower this month (at the height of winter) than they were 6 months ago? Perhaps. Does it say anything about average prices 6 months from now, or 6 years from now? Of course not. If anyone thinks otherwise, then they clearly do not own any investments.

That said, prices are going up over the mid to longer term. We've talked about the reasons for this ad nauseam (increasing size of global market wants a piece of Americana, increased wealth among elites, increased shift to collectible cars as store of value, limited production volume, end of naturally aspirated V10 and manual shift cars, end of fossil fuel burners, noteworthy hisstory, lap records, etc., etc., etc.).

Notable American cars from the '60's and '70's in original condition and in mint shape are already in the stratosphere. '80's and '90's cars are moving now -- go look for a clean '92 or a '96 b/w and you'll see that you'll be paying more this year than a few years ago. Scoop one while you still can. '00's and '10's will be next. The more limited the production and the more rare the build, the quicker and greater the rise in market prices. That's actual history that you can verify right now -- not some wild speculation.

(READ: Scott still remains confident that ACR's will be the next Ford GT worth $500k price tags)

:t0152:

[SharpMan]

(READ: Scott still remains confident that ACR's will be the next Ford GT worth $500k price tags)

:t0152:

The Ford GT values puzzle me more than a bit. I mean they made 3,000 of them and the cheapest one on Cars.com right now has an asking of $240,000...

[ACRSNK]

The Ford GT values puzzle me more than a bit. I mean they made 3,000 of them and the cheapest one on Cars.com right now has an asking of $240,000...

Actually they built 4038 between 2005 & 2006. They built 4X more of those than Gen V ACR's, but I would still love to have one.

[Gen3CoupeTX]

Mark, if you're so certain of your position, perhaps you're interested in selling me a 10-year call option on SE's with an MSRP strike?

The deal, if I elect to exercise the option anytime before Jan 2029, would require you to source an SE car with less than 10k mi. (in condition befitting of the mileage) and sell it to me at the 2017 window MSRP. For that, I'm willing to put $5k in your pocket today. Sound good?

Now here is a person who knows a thing or two about Options trading! That's almost as exciting as driving a Viper ... Can't afford to be fuzzy-headed while doing either.

[ViperJon]

The Ford GT values puzzle me more than a bit. I mean they made 3,000 of them and the cheapest one on Cars.com right now has an asking of $240,000...

There's always a bunch of FGT's for sale. I doubt there are too many changing hands at those figures. They seem to have peaked price wise unless it's a very special one and buying in now is wayyyyy late to the party.

[Scott_in_fl]

The Ford GT values puzzle me more than a bit. I mean they made 3,000 of them and the cheapest one on Cars.com right now has an asking of $240,000...

I think it has to do with the design of the car and the public admiration that it eventually garnered. When it came out, just like the NFGT today, it was an absolute show stopper. People literally followed those cars into parking lots to take pics, or slammed an illegal u-turn in the middle of traffic to pursue one for a closer look. That genuine "wow" factor is something we all remember, it was a dream car for its era, and now that halo image has remained regardless of its age. We thus perceive it to be an object of everyone's desire.

The '92 Viper had that impact when it came out, but it quickly became trashed by the media and labeled as dangerous, poor driving, cheaply constructed, etc. The middle years did nothing to address the negative perception, Corvette improved their game and brand (especially with Corvette Racing) and started to provide what the public perceived to be a much better product.

Thus, I think Gen V is somewhat hindered by its past. Had FCA only released Gen I for '92 and '93 (i.e. a 2-year run like the FGT in '04 and '05), and then waited 25 years to release only the Gen V ACR for '16 and '17, then I think we'd be looking at a very different value proposition.

Going forward, as the market for these cars becomes driven more by enthusiasts and collectors (rather than speculators), we will see the cars become locked down and unavailable. The volume is low enough (800 total ACR's) that these cars will become extremely rare and difficult to purchase at some point.

[Vegaskid]

I may be putting my car up for sale shortly so I can let everybody know how much money I've lost...

The one thing I won't lose is the joy of driving my car instead of letting it sit in the garage collecting dust

[simon455]

It’s like saving the gf for the next guy...lol
I think these will eventually fetch some decent coin but at that time we won’t be much interested in them anymore, there will be another viper or a Chrysler family product aimed at us, maybe even a few, we will move on to them. At that point some younger generation will playing around with them and paying few bucks for them.

[Matt Dillon]

Seriously I turned down $135K on mine just today from a guy that approached me.

You Probably should have took that offer! JMO!

[Shooter]

Considering the cars are 2 years old now, and that you can still get MSRP, is pretty outstanding. Show me other cars in this category that will hold like that.

While I don't have a dog in this hunt reference the ACR price discussion, you apparently have never seen the ludicrous prices used GT3 RS's regularly bring. And it sucks because I want one in the worst way, but not $200-300k over original MSRP.

[commandomatt]

While I don't have a dog in this hunt reference the ACR price discussion, you apparently have never seen the ludicrous prices used GT3 RS's regularly bring. And it sucks because I want one in the worst way, but not $200-300k over original MSRP.

You are right. The Porsche isn't just holding but pricing is going strong. I should have said, with the exception of a selective few, most cars in this category tank in value

[chris_lee]

You never know what a car will be or sell for. If I was smart, years ago I should have pulled the trigger on a great low mile 360 Challenge Stradale but I didn’t. They shot up in price big time at about $50k increase. A couple years ago I should have pulled the trigger on a low mile 08’ Aston Martin DBS, Casino Royale and Manual. Didn’t and they have shot up about $25k in last year as it gets closer to JB 25. You just never know, even when you suspect and think you know.

Drive what excites you and brings passion in your life. There are no guarantees in life. Vipers go up and Vipers go down. Hell Viper Exchange will bounce the price on the same car $20k between ups and downs in the same month.

The thing that turns potential owners off are massive, massive mods and questionable history. It turns me off. Time will tell how Viper does but if you have one, any Gen, just enjoy it. Nobody who lost a little money or broke even on a sale of their car said man am I glad I didn’t drive it more. There will always be regret. In the future none of these cars may be worth anything. Then again I believe if they sell for their original MRSP they will do awesome. The most they will ever, ever sell for is 50% to 100% of their MRSP in the future. This is not a $7k MRSP 70 Hemi Cuda now selling for $250k. We will never see that appreciation ever again in current car collecting with current cars. Gen 5s will do a slowed new car depreciation for awhile but should do well over time. Older Gens are appreciating but is supply and demand. A lot of young people don’t even care to drive these days so demand may just not be there for any combustion vehicle. I will hopefully be below grade when that happens and my kids will be in the minority of young adults that actually want to drive. Should be exciting for them as no demand, they will be able to cherry pick some awesome rides if they land a good paying job.

Man, everything you just said is spot on! I also agree with the point about the current youth. My son is 17 and we basically had to force him to get a drivers license. Now, when I imagine myself at 16 years old and my dad has a Viper sitting in the garage that I could potentially drive... I WOULD BE ALL OVER THAT SHIT. Nope, now it's living vicariously through instagram with no life experiences. But yea, I can see the market potentially being hard to predict 10 years from now when these kids care even less about this stuff.

I think the Twin Turbo supra is going to be a good analog for these cars. Low production, easy to maintain, manual tranny, very unique. Lotus Exige is also a similar analog. It's the perfect combination for "at least" very slow depreciation. I bought my Gen V almost one year ago and since then I have not seen any better deals. Same thing happened to the Supra and Exige when prices started to bottom out.

I kept the miles off my last car and when I went to sell it, that got me about 5k more... should have just drove the piss out of it. Only live once so enjoy it while you can. Look what happened to baseball cards when the next generation didn't give a shit about them... Long term it's going to be hard to predict, but I don't see these cars going down until guys like me "40" get too old to buy their dream car. There is just not enough of them around.

[FrankBarba]

I hear you Chris_Lee...When I was 15 my dad had a 69 Corvette. I dreamed of driving this every day.
I washed it, waxed her, cleaned her up every time my dad went for a drive. The day I turned 16 and
came home with my drivers license the Corvette was gone. He sold it. I was so pi$$ed.

[dewilmoth]

While I don't have a dog in this hunt reference the ACR price discussion, you apparently have never seen the ludicrous prices used GT3 RS's regularly bring. And it sucks because I want one in the worst way, but not $200-300k over original MSRP.

3RS have done well, but not $2-300k over MSRP well. Unless maybe you’re talking about the 2011 4.0, but that’s a special case. 991.1 are easy to find under MSRP now, and I suspect 991.2 will be in less than a year.

[Creatre]

I'm not one to sit on cars for resale, but do think the Vipers will do well with time. There just is not another raw car that offers sidepipes and a topless experience. I personally think the Gen 1 and Gen 3 will do the best in the future.

I think they will track similar to the NSX, where it took a good bit of time after the end of production until people realized, oh...there isn't going to be another one of these or any car with this experience. Supra was influenced by media with Fast and Furious and the tuner crowd, I don't think the car would have done so well otherwise. Hell, the car appreciated by about $10k when Paul Walker died. I know this from experience because I owned a MK4 and made a $10k profit and owned the car about 10 months.

[ACRSNK]

I'm not one to sit on cars for resale, but do think the Vipers will do well with time. There just is not another raw car that offers sidepipes and a topless experience. I personally think the Gen 1 and Gen 3 will do the best in the future.

I think they will track similar to the NSX, where it took a good bit of time after the end of production until people realized, oh...there isn't going to be another one of these or any car with this experience. Supra was influenced by media with Fast and Furious and the tuner crowd, I don't think the car would have done so well otherwise. Hell, the car appreciated by about $10k when Paul Walker died. I know this from experience because I owned a MK4 and made a $10k profit and owned the car about 10 months.

I understand the argument that Gen I's may be worth something in the future, but Gen 3?....not so much.

[SharpMan]

I understand the argument that Gen I's may be worth something in the future, but Gen 3?....not so much.

Although it's often the ones that were unloved in their era that shoot up later...Yenko Camaro, 996 GT3, Porsche 964, 348s are on the rise but that's an "all ships rise with the tide" scenario I think...

A nice Mamba or First Edition GENIII will probably experience some of the 348 type appreciation in time...assuming the rest of Vipers go up in Value. That said, I would agree that the GENIII offers nothing uniquely appealing vs a GENIV.

[Scott_in_fl]

I think it's Gen I and then Gen V. Both are notable, but for different reasons. Gen I was a true story car re: how it came to exist and how a company took a big gamble and won.

Gen II, III, IV were more of a "hey, we have the tooling, let's keep making cars" approach even though the market really wasn't interested.

Gen V came on the stage like an awesome band that shows up after the audience has already gone home because they lost interest with the openers. It put on an amazing show, and now the people who missed it want them to come back and play it again one more night.

Luckily, a few of us were there for the late night show, rocked out, and took home an amazing souvenir.

[bluesrt]

no way those early cars are gonna be worth anything, the gen 4 cars and gen v acr cars are gonna be it, like a midyear corvette

[ViperJon]

no way those early cars are gonna be worth anything, the gen 4 cars and gen v acr cars are gonna be it, like a midyear corvette

I have to agree. Younger people today who have never known life without the Internet, Bluetooth, Navigation etc are going to want a rudimentary kit car like a Gen 1?
And create a groundswell of demand required to drive prices higher? No way. 27 years later and flat lined as ever.

[ACRSNK]

I'm pretty sure some of the Gen II's will be worth something someday. The styling for the Gen V is a throwback to the Gen II, which to many is Viper perfection. Nothing like a Gen II ACR to keep the Gen V ACR company, except maybe a Gen IV ACR.

[Matt Dillon]

For reference, you are correct that no one has given me an offer I'm willing to accept. I'm pretty firm on price, don't need to sell and think the car is worth way more anyways. I just don't like cars sitting around. I have had a total of 5 offers (including 2 dealers) willing to buy the car right at $135k or more, but I've turned them all down. I've also had a few dozen offers below 135k. Everyone buying right now is looking for a deal. If they want an incredible deal, they can go get one that isn't in as good of condition. 2016 models, more miles, not custom, stories... those are the only ones that those buyers will end up with. I have been watching the 2017's for sale in the last couple months, and of the 3 listed at 140k or lower, they have all sold almost in a matter of a couple weeks. I know that one sold for `138k and a non-custom sold for 137k. I also know that someone is buying the competition blue 2017 at Viper Exchange which is listed at 149k, but not sure what they are paying.

Anyways, hope that gives you some insight. I did take my nephew out in it around the block the other day, but he was more interested in my Mclaren--he's 10 and still learning.

WOW, a OneofOneViper AND a McLaren! I'm Impressed

[Matt Dillon]

I have to agree. Younger people today who have never known life without the Internet, Bluetooth, Navigation etc are going to want a rudimentary kit car like a Gen 1?
And create a groundswell of demand required to drive prices higher? No way. 27 years later and flat lined as ever.

I also Agree Jon, though Not So Much about the Gen 4 cars, but IF you've ever driven a Gen V there's NO Comparison with the other Gen's, not to mention the Bluetooth, Navigation, etc....! Just a Different Car all together JMO

[Gary12000]

Dear Sirs,

I am an aspiring Viper owner, i am looking at the sub $90K price point but hoping for sub $80k, value seems difficult to ascertain, i have read this post and i don't feel qualified to talk on the finer points of all models, i am only interested in GenV as i desire the extra sophistication and safety of that generation, i have had and currently have a Hellcat for more than two years, my question is is $78k a good retail price for a 2014 base SRT with 17,000 miles and excellent condition, the car has no options, black painted rims, basic sport tires, race yellow, black interior, they would likely take my low mileage HC in as a trade which is definitely useful for tax and simplicity, Your advice would be appreciated.

[serpent]

Dear Sirs,

I am an aspiring Viper owner, i am looking at the sub $90K price point but hoping for sub $80k, value seems difficult to ascertain, i have read this post and i don't feel qualified to talk on the finer points of all models, i am only interested in GenV as i desire the extra sophistication and safety of that generation, i have had and currently have a Hellcat for more than two years, my question is is $78k a good retail price for a 2014 base SRT with 17,000 miles and excellent condition, the car has no options, black painted rims, basic sport tires, race yellow, black interior, they would likely take my low mileage HC in as a trade which is definitely useful for tax and simplicity, Your advice would be appreciated.
Gotta use all the car websites (cargurus, autotrader, ebay, craigslist, etc). Theres a '14 SRT with under 2k miles for sale at 79k. That would be the car to get with such low miles.

[Gary12000]

I have found in the last 3 months that (i believe) some dealers advertise cars that they don't really have, "Bait & Switch", either i am correct on that or the sales staff are so poor at communicating that i cant get pictures or information from them, two cars were advertised for a month and when i called they said" oh those are at our other location contact them", when i contacted them i was sent a list of available cars and those cars were not on the list, only more expensive models. Another dealership sent me pictures only of the more expensive of the two vipers they had, the other car which is still advertised i could not get any information on it, yet it is still on autotrader even now, i escalated my request higher and higher within the dealership hierarchy and was polite enough that i should have gotten a response, i got one short apology then 2 pictures of the more expensive car shown dirty, no service history and then no further information or contact despite polite reminders.
my point for this rant is, remote purchases are a challenge, based on how trustworthy i feel as a buyer with someone i don't know, so far i have been very disappointed, maybe a local car is better for trade purposes, and as long as the price is reasonable and not too far in excess of true value it could be my best option. i have not seen any GenV viper under $79K yet. edit, on cargurus there are a couple a bit less than $79K.

[Purple Haze]

Agreed IMO if you see a Gen V Viper under 80-85K K it's either got a problem, owner has no ideas on values, or higher miles on it...It should only go up from here...

[commandomatt]

Everyone always wants to get the best bang for the buck....that's understandable.

However, when you are just focused on the lowest possible price, then know that you are scraping the bottom of the barrel and with that, a lot of crap shows up.

[Scott_in_fl]

Gary, you've heard some very good advice from real enthusiasts that know this market well.

I'll only add that you generally get what you pay for and if I were purchasing sight unseen, I would only be purchasing from the most reputable Viper dealers -- those are Woodhouse, Roanoke, Gerry Wood, and Viper Exchange. You should be able to get on the phone with any of them and feel comfortable right away that you're dealing with great people who will find you the car you want.

Good luck with the search!

[USAFPILOT]

Dear Sirs,

I am an aspiring Viper owner, i am looking at the sub $90K price point but hoping for sub $80k, value seems difficult to ascertain, i have read this post and i don't feel qualified to talk on the finer points of all models, i am only interested in GenV as i desire the extra sophistication and safety of that generation, i have had and currently have a Hellcat for more than two years, my question is is $78k a good retail price for a 2014 base SRT with 17,000 miles and excellent condition, the car has no options, black painted rims, basic sport tires, race yellow, black interior, they would likely take my low mileage HC in as a trade which is definitely useful for tax and simplicity, Your advice would be appreciated.

I bought a real nice 2015GT with 5100 miles for 78.5. They are out there. Mine is standard black on black with the track package. I added the 18 spkr stereo and am just loving this thing. No issues.

[Stealth78]

I bought a real nice 2015GT with 5100 miles for 78.5. They are out there. Mine is standard black on black with the track package. I added the 18 spkr stereo and am just loving this thing. No issues.

Well hello!

[Gary12000]

Thanks gentlemen, i don't want to bash any company that people think highly of as my experience may be not the norm... but lets just say that one of the places you mentioned was who i referred to about bait and switch. I mean anyway you cut it, if you advertise two brand new vipers at around 107k then when i call you refer me to your other store, and they don't have it, that smells funny.

In regards to a viper [riced at around 80k, i think there are some cars coming back in to Dodge dealers with reasonable mileages, sub 20,000 miles that are relative bargains, these may well be low spec SRT(base) cars, but i would be surprised to find that they are all garbage.

[ViperJon]

Thanks gentlemen, i don't want to bash any company that people think highly of as my experience may be not the norm... but lets just say that one of the places you mentioned was who i referred to about bait and switch. I mean anyway you cut it, if you advertise two brand new vipers at around 107k then when i call you refer me to your other store, and they don't have it, that smells funny..

I'm not surprised in the slightest. Now that they don't have any big ticket new Vipers to sell they are all just used car salesman with all the good and bad that implies. I think it's only slightly worse than aluminum siding sales people. :) Being a (previous) big Viper dealer is sort of meaningless now. There's no MSRP to work off it's all just subjective used car values.

[Scott_in_fl]

Maybe so, but I've dealt with several of them and there are some good people. That said, if I were to pick the one that Gary is referring to, my guess is that it starts with V.

[Gary12000]

Maybe so, but I've dealt with several of them and there are some good people. That said, if I were to pick the one that Gary is referring to, my guess is that it starts with V.

Hmmmmmm!! maybe...lol

[commandomatt]

i would be surprised to find that they are all garbage.

This may be somewhat of a response to what I mentioned. Just to be clear, not all low dollar Vipers are bad but when you are searching at that level, you are bound to come across some of those cars and just be careful. These are expensive cars to work on and parts will be harder and harder to find down the road.

While this advice doesn't work for everyone, I have always thought it better to decide on what you want (generation/year, model, color(s), options) and then look for it. Give yourself a reasonable budget with the specs in mind and if it takes a little longer to find it...no big deal. You get what you want. Hopefully you are intending to keep it for some time and its important that your didn't compromise when buying it.

This as opposed to saying I want a Viper for 78K, or anything cheaper and whatever comes up for that price.....is it.

Just my take

[Bruce H.]

And I'd add to that good advice that you're better to potentially spend a little too much than too little. If you pay a little more than what you think you should have after hearing about cars you never saw on the other side of the country all you'll potentially be out is a few dollars that you'll soon forget...as opposed to settling for something you could seriously regret. If shopping locally and being able to check a car out thoroughly work out than that's a really good way to go. Good luck!

[Vipermann]

no way those early cars are gonna be worth anything, the gen 4 cars and gen v act cars are gonna be it, like a midyear corvette

I have collected (bought and sold) many collector cars over the past 15 years, and I tend to agree. I would say Gen 4 roadsters and Gen 5 will be most prized (JMO).

IMO, this is for a couple of reasons. First, as Vipers become collector cars (10-15 years from now), it will become more about car shows and Sunday drives. Second, these cars won't be competitive with the technology of 10 years from now, and parts will be much harder to find - so today's racing/track appeal will fade as the car ages into becoming a collector. As that happens, as with most collectible cars today, the convertibles also become worth more. And I wouldn't hang my hat on Gen 5 'technology' as a driver of future appeal. It also will be dated 10 years from now, and then collectively becomes more about the trip down memory lane...

Have owned as older collectibles (toys):
'69 Mach One Mustang
'67 K-code Fastback Mustang
'69 SS350 Camaro Convertible
'67 Chevelle SS396 Convertible
'65 Shelby GT350R Clone
'73 Triumph GT6
'70 Olds Cutlass Supreme Convertible (for sale)

[Vipermann]

I wonder if viper prices will plummet when everyone jumps on the C8 mid engine band wagon later this year.

I'm looking at Vettes right now, and some of the large Vette dealers are saying rumor is that C7 carries into 2020 and the C8 doesn't show up until Spring 2020 as a 2021 MY (e.g. just in time to be an Indy 500 Pace Car and compete at LeMans in 2020).

[Scott_in_fl]

I have collected (bought and sold) many collector cars over the past 15 years, and I tend to agree. I would say Gen 4 roadsters and Gen 5 will be most prized (JMO).

IMO, this is for a couple of reasons. First, as Vipers become collector cars (10-15 years from now), it will become more about car shows and Sunday drives. Second, these cars won't be competitive with the technology of 10 years from now, and parts will be much harder to find - so today's racing/track appeal will fade as the car ages into becoming a collector. As that happens, as with most collectible cars today, the convertibles also become worth more. And I wouldn't hang my hat on Gen 5 'technology' as a driver of future appeal. It also will be dated 10 years from now, and then collectively becomes more about the trip down memory lane...

Have owned as older collectibles (toys):
'69 Mach One Mustang
'67 K-code Fastback Mustang
'69 SS350 Camaro Convertible
'67 Chevelle SS396 Convertible
'65 Shelby GT350R Clone
'73 Triumph GT6
'70 Olds Cutlass Supreme Convertible (for sale)

Interesting thought about convertibles and why they become more prized the older they get.

[ViperSmith]

I have to agree. Younger people today who have never known life without the Internet, Bluetooth, Navigation etc are going to want a rudimentary kit car like a Gen 1?
And create a groundswell of demand required to drive prices higher? No way. 27 years later and flat lined as ever.


You are correct, but I think the "Modern" cars with fancy gadgets are going to pose long term problems for the Viper. When touch screens start dying, electronics go dead, locked ECU, these cars aren't going to be easily fixable. I see the maintainability of the more advanced electronics as a huge inhibitor in the future for cars of this decade.

[swexlin]

You are correct, but I think the "Modern" cars with fancy gadgets are going to pose long term problems for the Viper. When touch screens start dying, electronics go dead, locked ECU, these cars aren't going to be easily fixable. I see the maintainability of the more advanced electronics as a huge inhibitor in the future for cars of this decade.

Couldn't have said it better myself. And this is true of all modern vehicles, not just Vipers. Mechanically, engines and powertrains are very reliable, and with care, will last years (again, not just Vipers). But it's the electronics - sensors, ECUs, etc. 15 years from now, if a sensor goes, and you can't start or drive the car - you have a very reliable....paperweight. So 30 years from now (I'll be dead) you'll still see cars from 1970 at shows, but many of today's cars may be sitting in a garage, not driven, due to some computer/electronic issue, not fixable due to outdated tech.

[TOMBOTT2014]

If it becomes a Indy Pace car would it be hitting any walls ?

[Scott_in_fl]

Couldn't have said it better myself. And this is true of all modern vehicles, not just Vipers. Mechanically, engines and powertrains are very reliable, and with care, will last years (again, not just Vipers). But it's the electronics - sensors, ECUs, etc. 15 years from now, if a sensor goes, and you can't start or drive the car - you have a very reliable....paperweight. So 30 years from now (I'll be dead) you'll still see cars from 1970 at shows, but many of today's cars may be sitting in a garage, not driven, due to some computer/electronic issue, not fixable due to outdated tech.

I think you'd be surprised at what people can fix who repair those types of things.

[ViperSmith]

I think you'd be surprised at what people can fix who repair those types of things.

Gen V's are so dependent on the factory. From the scanners only dealers have access to, to requiring a connection back to the factory to "verify" aspects of the car. Dodge is under no commitment to keep those data services running forever.

I wouldn't count on the viability of any of these "connected" cars from this generation. I feel that in 25 years virtually everything from this generation will be off the road because they have no long term sustainment plans to keep them on the road. It is a huge risk for buyers.

This doesn't even touch on the fact that encrypted ECU's means you are at the behest of Dodge to continue to make ECU in 20 years for the Viper. Will they?

If I was a "investing" in cars it would be analog cars for sustainability reasons.

[cubeman]

Gen V's are so dependent on the factory. From the scanners only dealers have access to, to requiring a connection back to the factory to "verify" aspects of the car. Dodge is under no commitment to keep those data services running forever.

I wouldn't count on the viability of any of these "connected" cars from this generation. I feel that in 25 years virtually everything from this generation will be off the road because they have no long term sustainment plans to keep them on the road. It is a huge risk for buyers.

This doesn't even touch on the fact that encrypted ECU's means you are at the behest of Dodge to continue to make ECU in 20 years for the Viper. Will they?

If I was a "investing" in cars it would be analog cars for sustainability reasons.

Right to repair laws will continue to be passed requiring Car manufacturers to keep the software available even after support is over. The good thing about Gen V's is Dodge never put the additional security requirements that 2015+ Challengers and Chargers have which requires mailing a PCM to be unlocked or an additional tool to bypass like on 18+'s now. The way dealerconnect/serviceconnect or whatever it's called is setup is that they don't need to maintain hardware anymore or push out updates to separate peices of equipment. You plug into OBD2 and the same answers and diag are there just like if you plugged in some mid 2000's regular Chrysler product.

For parts? That's the major issue, but at that point it's across all cars. MOTEC will always be an option.

[Scott_in_fl]

MOTEC is there and so would lots of others be if the "brain" devices of all current cars were somehow unsupported at some point. There is something like a trillion dollars worth of current gen cars on the road in the United States alone. That's a pretty decent sized market for engine controller entities to crop up and reverse engineer vintage ECU's into something that can keep an ICE firing all cylinders and running smoothly. As long as it's generally computer code, why can't that be easily maintained/copied forever?

Hardware is harder to copy/maintain forever especially as it becomes more complex. Sensors will be difficult, but they are generally shared across numerous product lines and thus should be available for some time. If there are any Viper specific sensors or unique hardware items, those would be the ones to collect now. I recall Mark Jorgensen putting together a list a while back about such things. It was fairly limited if I recall, as most items are available on other FCA products.

Edit: I found the prior thread: https://driveviper.com/forums/threads/17611-What-parts-would-you-stock-up-on?highlight=crank+sensor

I also took a quick look at items on eBay, and most of the compiled list in the aforementioned thread are shared items. I did however find a used MAF sensor (that looks Viper specific) for $20 and bought it :) Crank and cam sensors seem shared. Wheel speed sensors might not be, that seems odd.

Someone should try to put together a spreadsheet of the items identified so far, with the part numbers, current MSRP, and which other FCA products share the part.

Like others, I'm not so interested in things like carbon parts or wheels, as those will not keep our cars from running and can be sourced from plenty of aftermarket places. I'm mainly interested in items in which the OEM is the only source and the car cannot run without it (which again, I don't think is many, but would be interested in knowing).

[ViperSmith]

Right to repair laws will continue to be passed requiring Car manufacturers to keep the software available even after support is over. The good thing about Gen V's is Dodge never put the additional security requirements that 2015+ Challengers and Chargers have which requires mailing a PCM to be unlocked or an additional tool to bypass like on 18+'s now. The way dealerconnect/serviceconnect or whatever it's called is setup is that they don't need to maintain hardware anymore or push out updates to separate peices of equipment. You plug into OBD2 and the same answers and diag are there just like if you plugged in some mid 2000's regular Chrysler product.

For parts? That's the major issue, but at that point it's across all cars. MOTEC will always be an option.

The assumption is "right to repair" will be retroactive, it won't. I (sadly) think we are in an era where all these awesome cars will be useless in 20 years. Policy (federally) hasn't caught up to the technology. There is no reason for Dodge to maintain dealer connect at this point for the Viper (lets be honest) other than good will. Not that I see them killing it anytime soon.

Hell, when I added the HK aftermarket sound to my 2015, when they enabled the option in dealer connect it virtually bricked the car. Imagine having to do that in a decade and there is no one left to support it.

Ideally, once a car is "discontinued" all firmware should be open sourced. The Vipers ECU is closed source and Dodge doesn't even have the ability to do so.

Not trying to be a debbie downer, but there are huge hurtles with modern electronics and keeping them on the road. I don't think it will be figured out, because the incentive doesn't exist.

I'd love to be proven wrong.

[Bruce H.]

I'd love to be proven wrong.

Is there any evidence from aging platforms with advanced systems to indicate that you could be right?

[ACRSNK]

Is there any evidence from aging platforms with advanced systems to indicate that you could be right?

Not really

[Scott_in_fl]

Let's also keep in mind that there are some pretty old airplanes flying around just fine these days.

I'm sure many of them have tech that was deemed "advanced" for their time and plenty feared would not be supported in the future. It seems they found a way to either "support" them or work around it with new tech. The engine controllers and cockpit electronics for a 1975 Lear 35 must be pretty archaic by now. But the planes are still badass. In fact, you might find one at a Barrett-Jackson auction one day, sitting next to your vintage Viper. https://www.barrett-jackson.com/Events/Event/Details/1975-LEARJET-35-FIXED-WING-JET-152088

[commandomatt]

I don't think they will become obsolete. Sure technology will move forward but this to a point where these old systems will be very easy to tap into and correct, maintain or override

The doomsday theory Mr.Smith is talking about has been told every time something new is on the horizon and current technology is no longer state of the art. Same old story

Lets just all get some model T's to ensure we have some wheels down the road

[ViperSmith]

Is there any evidence from aging platforms with advanced systems to indicate that you could be right?

Only in the last few years have we seen the "command and control" type of systems that are built into these modern vehicles that require the dealership to reach back to the manufacture.

Go dig through your paperwork. There is nothing mandating that Dodge keep these systems running for 20-40 years after the last one is made.

Dodge doesn't even own the ECU code to give it out if they wanted.

This isn't "sky is falling" for Vipers, this is all cars of this era.

These cars are "IoT" devices, like it or not: https://www.zdnet.com/article/all-your-iot-devices-are-doomed/

I don't foresee this being a problem anytime soon. But in 10-20+ years time, I sure do. We really need a "right to repair" law that codifies our rights to own schematics, etc. But, that won't help with the "command and control" type of hardware built into these vehicles.

- - - Updated - - -


I don't think they will become obsolete. Sure technology will move forward but this to a point where these old systems will be very easy to tap into and correct, maintain or override

The doomsday theory Mr.Smith is talking about has been told every time something new is on the horizon and current technology is no longer state of the art. Same old story

Lets just all get some model T's to ensure we have some wheels down the road

Swing and a miss. Analog cars of past are entirely different than these "connected" cars.

[Bruce H.]

Thanks for the link, Harold, looks like widespread problems ahead. I tend to be an optimist, but you've given us all good reason to enjoy the heck out of our cars for as long as possible!

Have you made an obsolescence-proof car purchase yet, or can you recommend one? I think you were considering maybe a Mac not long ago. I've got a 911 coming and hoping Porsche will be committed to keeping it supported and running well into the future.

[stradman]

I hear you Chris_Lee...When I was 15 my dad had a 69 Corvette. I dreamed of driving this every day.
I washed it, waxed her, cleaned her up every time my dad went for a drive. The day I turned 16 and
came home with my drivers license the Corvette was gone. He sold it. I was so pi$$ed.

Gosh imagine that. Thats really a bummer.
Apologies, but I did LOL on this one...

[stradman]

The assumption is "right to repair" will be retroactive, it won't. I (sadly) think we are in an era where all these awesome cars will be useless in 20 years. Policy (federally) hasn't caught up to the technology. There is no reason for Dodge to maintain dealer connect at this point for the Viper (lets be honest) other than good will. Not that I see them killing it anytime soon.

Hell, when I added the HK aftermarket sound to my 2015, when they enabled the option in dealer connect it virtually bricked the car. Imagine having to do that in a decade and there is no one left to support it.

Ideally, once a car is "discontinued" all firmware should be open sourced. The Vipers ECU is closed source and Dodge doesn't even have the ability to do so.

Not trying to be a debbie downer, but there are huge hurtles with modern electronics and keeping them on the road. I don't think it will be figured out, because the incentive doesn't exist.

I'd love to be proven wrong.

I really don't agree. I have swapped ECU's on many 80's cars with newer modern ones.Cars also run much better. No problem at all. In the future the current electronics will look like mickey mouse compared to the current ones and so will be easily bypassed and updated. All electronic stuff will be fixable as there will always be someone out there to tap into the market that exists at the time....I wouldn't be worried.

[SRT_BluByU]

after seeing people repair mid-80's corvettes recently with all that wonky GM tech.. im not worried one bit.

[Scott_in_fl]

after seeing people repair mid-80's corvettes recently with all that wonky GM tech.. im not worried one bit.

Yeah, us humans tend to be a pretty resourceful bunch.

Harold, did you hide during Y2k?

[ViperJon]

Are we really concerned about being able to maintain a 2016 car in 2036? Is everybody planning on being buried in theirs?

[commandomatt]

Are we really concerned about being able to maintain a 2016 car in 2036? Is everybody planning on being buried in theirs?

Well, Smith is suggesting this being a problem in as early as 2028, so if that was the case, it's really just around the corner. Many currently on this forum will still have their cars and I am sure plenty of new owners

I certainly don't think there will be an issue. We have been faced with complicated technology just to consider it child's play years later. These cars, and others from this era will not be obsolete. If something needs to be fixed in order to make it work, there will be a solution created. Historically this has been the case and there is no reason to think the same wont apply moving forward

For those that buy into this theory....sell imediatley, before your cars end up being worth nothing

[ViperSmith]

Are we really concerned about being able to maintain a 2016 car in 2036? Is everybody planning on being buried in theirs?

Oh Jon, you know the people here that think these cars are going to be worth a fortune in 10-20 years. Reality won't be as kind.

[ViperSmith]

Thanks for the link, Harold, looks like widespread problems ahead. I tend to be an optimist, but you've given us all good reason to enjoy the heck out of our cars for as long as possible!

Have you made an obsolescence-proof car purchase yet, or can you recommend one? I think you were considering maybe a Mac not long ago. I've got a 911 coming and hoping Porsche will be committed to keeping it supported and running well into the future.

Porsche maybe?

Anyone that thinks there will be a market to build custom electronics for these cars in 15+ years is smoking crack.

Just like the big burgeoning market to fix the window arms in these cars. There isn't a viable replacement for those - for over what 10 years now? Yeah, people will be clamoring to build custom ECU for the Viper, when people can't even replace plastic parts.

The Viper is a great car and I loved both mine. People should still buy used ones and drive the shit out of them.

[Scott_in_fl]

^^^ You do realize that today, with the right tools, you can basically scan a part and 3D print it within minutes, right?

There are even forums where you can go in, describe what you want made, send a photo, and guys will bid to build the project, load it into a CAD file, and cut it.

In fact, I just yesterday commissioned a guy to build a tiny little bracket that clips onto my Fizik bicycle seat and has a Garmin compatible mount that I can connect a light to. Going to be 3D printed out of professional plastic (whatever the hell that is) for $35 and to me in a week. I've used them before and the parts come out great.

So, imagine what that tech looks like in 10 years and how accessible it will be for all of us DIY'ers.

The point being that, if you really want to fix a window arm, I think you could do it if you wanted to.

[ViperJon]

Oh Jon, you know the people here that think these cars are going to be worth a fortune in 10-20 years. Reality won't be as kind.

Good point. Speaking of Policy Limits I wonder what he got convicted of. He’s been gone a long time...:)

[swexlin]

good point. Speaking of policy limits i wonder what he got convicted of. He’s been gone a long time...:)

lmao!!

[Scott_in_fl]

Edit to prior post: Watching CNBC right now and CEO of Desktop Metal is on talking about 3D printing in the automotive industry and how it is going to be Yuuge! lol. Seriously, the guy is talking about the exact thing that we are discussing. Says additive manufacturing is the game changer for auto parts. Company has grown from $400m to $1.5b in 2 years. Largest market is OEM auto companies, but also sees growth in aerospace, power tools, and even cell phone manufacturing. The process speeds up production over 100x, has no material waste, and allows items that could not be manufactured with any other prior methods.

It would seem that, in the future, if you have a broken part you'll simply send it somewhere to be scanned and replicated probably overnight.

[99RT10]

Oh Jon, you know the people here that think these cars are going to be worth a fortune in 10-20 years. Reality won't be as kind.

The ones that will be worth more will be the ones that don't really on "hi-tech" gadgets to get them down the road. How long until the Gen 1/2s are worth more than the Gen 5s? I mean if that techy Gen 5 can't start, but my good old Gen 1 is humming........... Runner>lawn art




:D :D :D

[J TNT]

Edit to prior post: Watching CNBC right now and CEO of Desktop Metal is on talking about 3D printing in the automotive industry and how it is going to be Yuuge! lol. Seriously, the guy is talking about the exact thing that we are discussing. Says additive manufacturing is the game changer for auto parts. Company has grown from $400m to $1.5b in 2 years. Largest market is OEM auto companies, but also sees growth in aerospace, power tools, and even cell phone manufacturing. The process speeds up production over 100x, has no material waste, and allows items that could not be manufactured with any other prior methods.

It would seem that, in the future, if you have a broken part you'll simply send it somewhere to be scanned and replicated probably overnight.

Wow , interesting technology. It mentions metal parts for prototyping , and sintered metal . I suspect it won't do forged metal . And high strength parts .

[Pappy]

Here is a guy working on a Chevelle who had his buddy 3-D print supercharger brackets for him so he could trial-fit them before he had them machined out of billet. Amazing

Pappy

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[Ludington1]

I had some hard-to-find gun parts 3D-printed from a blend of stainless and copper (I think) and they turned out very nice. Design a part in CAD, upload the file to Shapeways, select your materials and wait on the mail to show up, it is just that easy.

Darren

[dewilmoth]

I had some hard-to-find gun parts 3D-printed from a blend of stainless and copper (I think) and they turned out very nice. Design a part in CAD, upload the file to Shapeways, select your materials and wait on the mail to show up, it is just that easy.

Darren

Sounds intriguing. Is CAD something a technically minded person can teach them self to use, or is formal training required? Are there free CAD programs?

[Murpowa]

Sounds intriguing. Is CAD something a technically minded person can teach them self to use, or is formal training required? Are there free CAD programs?

Yes, you can self-learn. Yes, there are free basic downloads floating around out there (AutoCAD, Solidworks, ProEngineer, FreeCAD, TinkerCAD... the list goes on)

[dewilmoth]

Yes, you can self-learn. Yes, there are free basic downloads floating around out there (AutoCAD, Solidworks, ProEngineer, FreeCAD, TinkerCAD... the list goes on)

Great, I’ll take a look.

[Coloviper]

Static parts are zero concern. Car security module will not be a concern. Key Electronics like ECU and the sensors that is required to be exact as delivered to pass EPA Emissions to be “allowed on the road” is a totally different thing. That is where the issues lie and Dodge does have a big problem in that area. Well they all do but it is a major concern for the Viper and others. Allow the cars to pass the breather, smoker test and no issue but they plug in and you have to pass everything else. I think the ole combustion engine still has some life for a long time and will have demand for certain ones that are technical minimal will do well. Making them run is not an issue. Being allowed on the road with the EPA and state employee ssions nazis is a whole other thing. The newer tech will not age well and will just seem outdated fast. Think you old 90s Nokia brick cell phone! Same concept.

[USAFPILOT]

won't be a problem outside California

[commandomatt]

won't be a problem outside California

No question we need the wall. Just make sure it continues and separates California from the USA as well

Then they can all be happy doing their thing and leave us alone

[Scott_in_fl]

No question we need the wall. Just make sure it continues and separates California from the USA as well

Then they can all be happy doing their thing and leave us alone

Lol, awesome post!!!

[Bryan Savage]

No question we need the wall. Just make sure it continues and separates California from the USA as well

Then they can all be happy doing their thing and leave us alone


Lol, awesome post!!!

36445

Got this in a text, I think.

[Scott_in_fl]

^^^ROFLMAO... I don't care what it costs, I'd vote to fund that :)

Crazy that this state is right next door: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WP33crds1tI

Whatever is going on at 4:05 to 5:00 is something I need a piece of.

[mitchdob]

Here we go again. What wimps, hiding behind their keyboards.

Fuck off....

Stop your crying; start talking about Vipers.

[Viper98]

Mitchdob, dude, friendly reply: don’t take anybody seriously here. They are just jokin with one another. I’m sure they mean no harm-just havin some fun. There are several states that people make fun of. It’s all in fun.
By the “f’off” statement it sounds like you may be in California or possibly from there. VOA has many members in California and no harm is meant to them, either. Califas has many good/cool things, but many “non-preferred “ things, as well. Don’t all states in some fashion or other. No need to take it personally.

Sometimes these threads just go on a quick little tangent. No worries, it will get back on track.
No real “keyboard commandos” around here, just great Viper owners having some fun.

Friendly suggestion, my friend; just take it in stride. We are all good here.

Don’t sweat the petty things and don’t pet the sweaty things.

Peace!

And now, back to our regularly scheduled program.

[99RT10]

Mitchdob, dude, friendly reply: don’t take anybody seriously here. They are just jokin with one another. I’m sure they mean no harm-just havin some fun. There are several states that people make fun of. It’s all in fun.
By the “f’off” statement it sounds like you may be in California or possibly from there. VOA has many members in California and no harm is meant to them, either. Califas has many good/cool things, but many “non-preferred “ things, as well. Don’t all states in some fashion or other. No need to take it personally.

Sometimes these threads just go on a quick little tangent. No worries, it will get back on track.
No real “keyboard commandos” around here, just great Viper owners having some fun.

Friendly suggestion, my friend; just take it in stride. We are all good here.

Don’t sweat the petty things and don’t pet the sweaty things.

Peace!

And now, back to our regularly scheduled program.

Triggered?


:D

[cubeman]

Here we go again. What wimps, hiding behind their keyboards.

Fuck off....

Stop your crying; start talking about Vipers.

Pay your dues, I'll consider talking about vipers

[ViperDC]

Good point. Speaking of Policy Limits I wonder what he got convicted of. He’s been gone a long time...:)

he took the wrapper off his ACR to drive it down to the gas station to get gas and take pictures. he started talking to random passersby about how it will be worth $300k and is the last great analog performance car for the roads. this was 3 months ago, rumor has it he's still there

[Coloviper]

won't be a problem outside California

Wish it was the case but our new Colorado governor and government just voted in a 100% merge of California and Colorado emissions standards so now there is zero difference here as opposed to California. It was his first act. Don’t even get me started on the Colorado train wreck that is starting. Fricken freeloaders in the state should not be allowed to vote such silliness in.

[cubeman]

Wish it was the case but our new Colorado governor and government just voted in a 100% merge of California and Colorado emissions standards so now there is zero difference here as opposed to California. It was his first act. Don’t even get me started on the Colorado train wreck that is starting. Fricken freeloaders in the state should not be allowed to vote such silliness in.

Montana LLC

*Insert ethics and tax avoidance vs evasion arguments below*

[Uranium235]

Thanks gentlemen, i don't want to bash any company that people think highly of as my experience may be not the norm... but lets just say that one of the places you mentioned was who i referred to about bait and switch. I mean anyway you cut it, if you advertise two brand new vipers at around 107k then when i call you refer me to your other store, and they don't have it, that smells funny.

In regards to a viper [riced at around 80k, i think there are some cars coming back in to Dodge dealers with reasonable mileages, sub 20,000 miles that are relative bargains, these may well be low spec SRT(base) cars, but i would be surprised to find that they are all garbage.

Since only one of those mentioned has more than one location...hmmm....

In any case, I bought my 2013 SRT "GT before there was a GT" used from John at Roanoke and have had exactly zero issues with the transaction or the car. Recalls performed and passed, and completely transparent. Purchased used with 6,000 miles in April 2016 for well under $78k.

[Fatboy 18]

36445

Got this in a text, I think.

Now that's funny :smilielol::smilielol:

[06SRTCoupe]

Here we go again. What wimps, hiding behind their keyboards.

Fuck off....

Stop your crying; start talking about Vipers.

I won't hide behind my keyboard. I will be more than happy to say we need a wall and back it up with facts as to why. I will say it here or in person...and most people would. So drop the tough guy act.

You are right, let's start talking about Vipers and how great this place really is! You have been here since 2013, have 65 posts, and are not a club member. Do you even own a Viper? Or do you just like trolling? Why are you here?

[Policy Limits]

Good point. Speaking of Policy Limits I wonder what he got convicted of. He’s been gone a long time...:)

VJ, I just knew you missed me!!!!

No conviction yet. Instead, I've been on the campaign trail speaking out against the New Green Deal. The Commies want to take away our cars you know.....

[ACRSNK]

Wow!!! Where the heck you been? Everyone has been asking.

[Stealth78]

VJ, I just knew you missed me!!!!

No conviction yet. Instead, I've been on the campaign trail speaking out against the New Green Deal. The Commies want to take away our cars you know.....

Hahaha! I would die laughing if I saw you driving around in your ACR with that mask on. Please tell me you have done this!

[Scott_in_fl]

^^^^ OMG, that would be so amazing!!!

[MacManInfi]

Curious if any of these 140k$ plus vipers I see out there are actually pulling that money on sales?

I just bought my 2016 GTC ACR-E and paid more than $140k. I'm pleased as punch to finally have one. And... I took it to a local autocross the very next day and walked away with fast time of the day. Pretty much the best new car experience ever. :D

[commandomatt]

I just bought my 2016 GTC ACR-E and paid more than $140k. I'm pleased as punch to finally have one. And... I took it to a local autocross the very next day and walked away with fast time of the day. Pretty much the best new car experience ever. :D

Nice !!!!!!

[ACRSNK]

T
I just bought my 2016 GTC ACR-E and paid more than $140k. I'm pleased as punch to finally have one. And... I took it to a local autocross the very next day and walked away with fast time of the day. Pretty much the best new car experience ever. :D

Very cool!

[Matt Dillon]

Lol, Fatboy I Love you Buddy! You're NOT Even from the States But YOU GET IT! :)

[ViperJon]

Msrp is the best most 17’s will get. Even special editions. I have the receipts. Most 17’s are overpriced but auction results and stale ads are the viper way. I could call out like 5-10 2017 owners that thought 200k would happen, but the gen v market has readjusted itself. Ymmv good luck. I bet lots of stale ad owners are willing to take less with a potential slowdown in the economy coming in 19 with the idiot politicians leading the charge.

Lmaooooo. Good call.

[bluesrt]

:lol2:,

[Whiskey]

As far as future serviceability of Vipers. Body parts and frames are going to the the most expensive and difficult to get.


As far as wish list future resto-viper build. I'd like to request a frame made from Carbon Fiber. That should knock 200lbs out of the car and make it handle even better!

I'm hoping one day my tires ragged out 200,000mi Gen5 can get a killer rebuild with modern-at-that-time chassis, suspension and engine...they will probably have a fuel cell or electric upgrade in the 2070's that make 2000hp and get some astronomical "fuel economy".

[Steve M]

As far as future serviceability of Vipers. Body parts and frames are going to the the most expensive and difficult to get.


As far as wish list future resto-viper build. I'd like to request a frame made from Carbon Fiber. That should knock 200lbs out of the car and make it handle even better!

I'm hoping one day my tires ragged out 200,000mi Gen5 can get a killer rebuild with modern-at-that-time chassis, suspension and engine...they will probably have a fuel cell or electric upgrade in the 2070's that make 2000hp and get some astronomical "fuel economy".

I'm about due for my 13-year frame swap...hopefully Jon B still has one in stock.

[ACRSNK]

Lmaooooo. Good call.

Many people made that very same prediction. Most were not able to source the right ACR at the time the predictions were made. Who would have thought????

[aspman]

So whats my 16 Stryker Purple with 8k worth on a sale?

[Steve M]

So whats my 16 Stryker Purple with 8k worth on a sale?

$150k to the outside world.

$60k tops for VOA members.

[Mark1107]

I can admit I was right at the time, but I was definitely wrong about the future. Viper prices are crazy right now. But I am curious with all of these sky high asking prices, how many close at that price? Barret Jackson has been great for a handful but horrendous (remember the Stryker red that went for 77k?) for some.

Yes Getting more than msrp is the norm, but is the asking price, the closing price? The truth lies somewhere in the middle...

In the last 3 months 3 2017 GTSRs sold for 167k, 170k and 180k. I know 4 more at dealers (Chicago motor cars, Another Illinois exotic dealer, I think called Labasinger? CNC in LA, and BJ motors) all were asking 225K for theirs, but when calling them, some confirmed are still available, and one sold for less.

All in all still very exciting for GEN V owners and great for the community!




Lmaooooo. Good call.

[sssammm]

My 2017 ACR, 7k miles, in the uk, with taxes and duty would cost a fortune over here now, I think thats why there are only 2 ACR E's over
here, cant see the position changing much unless the dollar collapses and the pound surges

[Policy Limits]

Many people made that very same prediction. Most were not able to source the right ACR at the time the predictions were made. Who would have thought????

Who would have thought? C'mon man (Biden voice)

[Scott_in_fl]

^^^ Oh, I don’t know.... but there were these two guys on here that were always ranting and raving about how the values of these cars would skyrocket. They were regularly called out on here by plenty of naysayers. If I could only remember their names..... lol

[aspman]

okay...200k Steve M....think ill wait for 500k

[Bruce H.]

3...2...1...


^^^ Oh, I don’t know.... but there were these two guys on here that were always ranting and raving about how the values of these cars would skyrocket. They were regularly called out on here by plenty of naysayers. If I could only remember their names..... lol

Haha...I've wondered when you would chime in! I've missed your monthly valuation threads!

I don't know about "skyrocketing" values yet, but they're at least steadily increasing. How do you feel the new 911 GT3's sub 7 minute lap at the Ring is going to impact ACR values?

Cheers

[ACRSNK]

Where were these GTSR‘s for $167, $168 & $170? I surely haven’t seen that. I do know of one that changed hand recently at $225K though.

[Mark1107]

1. A guy on here in minnesota just bought his for 180. It has Nurburgring stickers like the two that went to Nurburgring.
2. Dennis Corpora sold his in October/november on facebook 167-169k. ( I dont know Dennis just saw advert on facebook.)
3. A guy who owns a rim protection company in Orange county CA sold his around 170. Not sure of final price it went quick.

Elite Autos, Chicago motor cars, cnc, sometimes Marshall goldman and BJ all are trying to get 225k.

Who sold/bought one for 225? I know chicago, elite, and CNC are willing to negotiate. At leadt in January they were.
Thats great





Where were these GTSR‘s for $167, $168 & $170? I surely haven’t seen that. I do know of one that changed hand recently at $225K though.

[Mark1107]

Bottom line, no one has a crystal ball but prices are in the stratosphere for all gen 5s.

1. SRTs are all 100k plus with clean titles.
2. GTSs are all 110k plus clean titles.
3. TAs are all 115-145k with clean titles.
4. Strykers are all 115k plus or higher.
5. 2016 non extreme ACRs are 140k or higher.
6. 2016 & 2017 Extremes are 175k up to 280k asking prices but I doubt they are selling at that.
7. Special editions 2017s are all asking 225k and up but most have been stale for a year.

[Mark1107]

Im looking for a high mileage branded title wrecked lots of stories beat up 2017 GTSR lol but everyone acts like the corvette jort crowd so I know of only one wrecked GTSR in the middle east and the nurburgring car....well i can afford one upto 200k if I sell my stryker green, but i can swing a gtsr at up to 170k with keeping my stryker so im stuck. I love my stryker green even though I drive it 8-10 times a year. Ive averaged about 1100 miles a year over 7 years of ownership.

Bottom line its great for our community. They are turn8ng into Ford GTs...

Oh if I didnt spend over 200k on brand new Landrovers, I would be in one by now but my car addiction applies to Range Rovers too!

[ACRSNK]

I don’t think Dennis ever sold his GTSR. Not sure about those others, but I’m pretty sure anyone selling a GTSR can get quite a bit more just by throwing it online. You seem to have been looking for a GTSR for quite some time now. You should have just bought one new when they were only $10K over lol.

[ViperJon]

2. Dennis Corpora sold his in October/november on facebook 167-169k. ( I dont know Dennis just saw advert on facebook.)


I do know Dennis personally....he bought my first tri color ACR-E a few years back. Dennis sold his GTS-R for 185k by the way so you’re wrong on that. He bought it for 160 there is no way he sold it for only 7K.

Addendum: Viper Exchange listed a GTS-R with 6500 miles on their site for 225K. It was Andy Wheeler's old car and has had a few owners now. I jokingly said hell.....you can buy my one owner car with 1500 miles on it for that!. I got two PM's from guys asking for more details. So there is certainly interest by serious (non bottomfeeders) out there for them.

[Mark1107]

Ok I stand corrected, but Dennis advertised it less than 185k on Facebook. I know that for a fact. Again the guy in Orange County sold his for 170, and the guy on here from Minnesota bought his for 180k.

So again, please show me sales over 200k like ACRsnk has stated and you love pointing out how “wrong” I am but I see lots “asking” over 200k but very few sales hitting that except if you’re willing to take whatever Barret Jackson sells it for which is a risk.

Again, yes the market is white hot, but the truth lies somewhere in the middle.....



I do know Dennis personally....he bought my first tri color ACR-E a few years back. Dennis sold his GTS-R for 185k by the way so you’re wrong on that. He bought it for 160 there is no way he sold it for only 7K.

Addendum: Viper Exchange listed a GTS-R with 6500 miles on their site for 225K. It was Andy Wheeler's old car and has had a few owners now. I jokingly said hell.....you can buy my one owner car with 1500 miles on it for that!. I got two PM's from guys asking for more details. So there is certainly interest by serious (non bottomfeeders) out there for them.

[Mark1107]

I know, but my priority at that time they came out was buying our ocean front house, so I’ve made about 1 million in equity because my realtor called me saying she had a buyer for my home at 1 million over what I paid, and my house was more important than getting a great deal on a GTSR.

I know I will pay market price for a GTSR when I’m ready to pull the trigger, I hope it’s less than 225k but since no one knows the future we shall see.

Btw ACRsnk you still haven’t given us the details on the 225k you called me out on earlier. That’s great for you owners, if they all sell for that, but I’m curious if it’s one of the two Nurburgring cars or a serious garage queen with less than 300 miles on the odo which would contribute significantly to the values....



I don’t think Dennis ever sold his GTSR. Not sure about those others, but I’m pretty sure anyone selling a GTSR can get quite a bit more just by throwing it online. You seem to have been looking for a GTSR for quite some time now. You should have just bought one new when they were only $10K over lol.

[Mark1107]

I feel pretty special when I’ve taken up space in people’s heads, that go back two years into old zombie threads just to say “ha ha, you were sooo wrong your not perfect you can’t predict the future!”

Guys, I like the attention, thank you, let’s keep this thread going until we get to twenty pages. I appreciate being fed the attention! Cheers!

[ViperJon]

And as yet another year rolls by (number 4 now) and the bottom-feeder extraordinaire makes his bi-annual post throwing shade at GTS-R's we owners sit back and smile.
There are three eternal truths in our lives. Death, taxes and Mark1107 will never own a GTS-R.
Two make me unhappy but the last one always makes me grin.

[Mark1107]

Thank you for the rent I’ve taken up in your head Viperjon. This is pure internet gold buddy.

When can I come over for a bbq? Bwahahaha!



And as yet another year rolls by (number 4 now) and the bottom-feeder extraordinaire makes his bi-annual post throwing shade at GTS-R's we owners sit back and smile.
There are three eternal truths in our lives. Death, taxes and Mark1107 will never own a GTS-R.
Two make me unhappy but the last one always makes me grin.

[Mark1107]

Viperjon you forgot your favorite moniker for me:

Remember I’m “brokedick Mark” Bwahahaha!!! Lol.

[ACRSNK]

I wasn’t trying to rebut your “facts” just stating that I know of a recent sale that was quite a bit more than the numbers you are throwing around, which are really low considering the current market. Wasn’t a ring car. It was a car with low miles but by no means a wrapper car. If the buyer or seller want to disclose who they are they are more than welcome to do so as I believe they are both members on here.

Glad to hear you gained an additional million in equity on your ocean front in such a short time. Dropping $225K on a GTSR shouldn’t be a thing.

[Mark1107]

Thank you and no worries. Im far from perfect, and perfectly wrong on guessing what the future holds. The market is white hot. If it continues all of our cars will double in price. Thats great for our community.


I wasn’t trying to rebut your “facts” just stating that I know of a recent sale that was quite a bit more than the numbers you are throwing around, which are really low considering the current market. Wasn’t a ring car. It was a car with low miles but by no means a wrapper car. If the buyer or seller want to disclose who they are they are more than welcome to do so as I believe they are both members on here.

Glad to hear you gained an additional million in equity on your ocean front in such a short time. Dropping $225K on a GTSR shouldn’t be a thing.

[stevert]

I really don't want to be that guy, but I am bored right now. Mark1107 , It is not 80 degrees there today... weather link attached. Also in your second photo the California Regional Multiple Listing Service logo is in the bottom right corner...

https://weather.com/weather/hourbyhour/l/Abalone+Cove+Shoreline+Park+34:19:US

[Lawineer]

Bottom line, no one has a crystal ball but prices are in the stratosphere for all gen 5s.

1. SRTs are all 100k plus with clean titles.
2. GTSs are all 110k plus clean titles.
3. TAs are all 115-145k with clean titles.
4. Strykers are all 115k plus or higher.
5. 2016 non extreme ACRs are 140k or higher.
6. 2016 & 2017 Extremes are 175k up to 280k asking prices but I doubt they are selling at that.
7. Special editions 2017s are all asking 225k and up but most have been stale for a year.

Makes me feel good about getting my 6k mile GTS for $95k.

[LuvSpeed]

Im bored...lets change subjects!

Anyone go overlanding or like camping? Any Range Rover fans???

47001

Nice place and nice cars. I'm glad that you must really feel proud of yourself. Sure must be self full-filling.

[Mark1107]

Thanks brother! Enjoy your viper in good health!


Nice place and nice cars. I'm glad that you must really feel proud of yourself. Sure must be self full-filling.

[ViperGarageElite]

Self-promoat yourself much. You must have small man syndrome

[SilverACR]

Anyone else???? Ive got all day!

Bwahahaha!!!!

4700047000
Nice views but kind of a low ceiling...

[inquirer86]

I'm laughing at the fact this guy went out of his way to take pictures of his driveway/backyard thinking the entire time like "yeah this will show ACRSNK and those VOA people I'm the man, bow to me"......lolol

[ViperJon]

I'm laughing at the fact this guy went out of his way to take pictures of his driveway/backyard thinking the entire time like "yeah this will show ACRSNK and those VOA people I'm the man, bow to me"......lolol

He’s done it here before and on Facebook so no one pays him any attention. Surprised he didn’t put up a photo of his bank information and investments. The pathetic part is he doesn’t see how ludicrous it makes him look derailing a thread on Viper values. Embarrassing and sad at the same time.

[Whiskey]

@Mark1107

Does this mean we are all invited over for a wrench party? I'd love to come hang out. Do some wrenching, hit some fun roads then, hang at the beach at night with some BBQ and bonfires...sounds like a good time. Oh I'm sure you could find some hot 20-somethings in bikinis to be hostess for the day...oh it would be horrible. More pics of the garage please.


If he wants to flaunt what he's got, good for him. I only ask people who do that share a little of that good life. #3-days-grace


PS: I call dibs on the Range Rover Autobiography when you are done with it.


PPS: To get this thread back on track. I'll let my daily driver GTS go for $120k. Currently over 11kmi. No stories other then how much fun I've had in the last 10kmi and roughly 400days of ownership.

[Mark1107]

So basically Viperjon calls me broke continues to harp on viper prices, I use FACTS to refute Viperjon and then he resorts to insults talking about how broke I am. I post up I’m not broke but now I’m bragging and have a huge ego? Man you guys are cracking me up. For the record please continue to hate me, criticize me, insult me, and I will continue to use facts to refute it. What’s hilarious is how much fun I’m having upsetting everyone and everyone who wants to continue the insults.

Guess what everyone it’s the internet. My opinion on viper values doesn’t matter neither does Viperjons.

Whenever anyone results to insults and character assasinations I know I’ve won the argument.

My response to anyone has always been I’m happy you have something nice good for you, Viperjon and some other members: I take joy in insulting you, and looking down on you since you don’t have what I have.

I really enjoy the attention and hope this thread goes to 100 pages. Thank you everyone for giving me your focus!

Again I’ve already acknowledged 2021 viper prices are thru the roof. In 2017, 2018, and 2019 they were pretty stagnant. Now they are crazy.

Guys if you’re upset at my posts really stop responding to me, this is the internet where we could all be faking it.

Whiskey I’m happy to have viper lovers over. Matter of fact I’m reaching out to my club to have a bbq with free food and drinks. Any true mature viper owner I would love to have over anytime.

Viperjon I get a ton of attention on here and Facebook. Please I love how upset you get resorting to insults. Really insults just reflect the insecurities of the person hurling them. You said everyone ignores me here and on Facebook, but funny seeing you continue to interact with me, insult me, and keep putting my name in your mouth? Kinda an oxymoron isn’t it?

What’s funny, being Black, 6’1 ex linebacker 275 lbs, and in law enforcement (I’m blessed to be able to ccw) every single viper event I’ve been to, no one insults me to my face, only on the VOA. Everyone in Southern California are class acts, and even though I’ve been threatened on the VOA here by other members, no one is willing to back it up in person? Am I the keyboard kommando or are there a bunch of insecure cowards on here who talk anonymous shit?

Regardless this is fun, I will back up my opinions in person, and real men would step to me like a man not an insecure little boy like Viperjon, who just throws petty hilarious insults at me at every opportunity.

I’m inviting anyone to come to the next SoCal viper event and let’s talk like grownups to me, face to face. Cheers! Have a great day!

[StrokerAce]

I'm not driving that far. :hog: Also, I don't think I have offended anyone on here, but, the day ain't over yet.

[ViperJon]

What’s funny, being Black, 6’1 ex linebacker 275 lbs, and in law enforcement (I’m blessed to be able to ccw) every single viper event I’ve been to, no one insults me to my face, only on the VOA. Everyone in Southern California are class acts, and even though I’ve been threatened on the VOA here by other members, no one is willing to back it up in person? Am I the keyboard kommando or are there a bunch of insecure cowards on here who talk anonymous shit?

I'm done responding to Mark1107. Not so veiled physical threats, completely off the rails mentioning of race, size and supposed occupation. Casual mention of owning a gun. IN A THREAD ABOUT VIPER VALUES. This guy is a total wack job and we can surely all agree lets hope he's NOT in law enforcement in any capacity. Mods may want to have a look at this flake.

Oh and he will NEVER own a GTS-R.

[Whiskey]

I'm not driving that far. :hog: Also, I don't think I have offended anyone on here, but, the day ain't over yet.

You have offended me, by not offending anyone. ������

[Mark1107]

I can jump for joy now that napoleon is done with his insults. Whoo hoo. I never threatened anyone. I just observed how easy it is to throw insults on VOA and it never happens in person. Every single response with facts is met with insults. Sad little boy.

Well hopefully this is put to bed! Back to normal VOA stuff. Trust me I wont mention your name either anymore "Littlejon" lol.

I forgot, now that facts didnt work, character assassinations didn't work, you bring up the "mods" on here like your "Karen" trying call the police or security on Black people. Have a great life "Karenjon!" Lol.


I'm done responding to Mark1107. Not so veiled physical threats, completely off the rails mentioning of race, size and supposed occupation. Casual mention of owning a gun. IN A THREAD ABOUT VIPER VALUES. This guy is a total wack job and we can surely all agree lets hope he's NOT in law enforcement in any capacity. Mods may want to have a look at this flake.

Oh and he will NEVER own a GTS-R.

[DZnutz]

What’s funny, being Black, 6’1 ex linebacker 275 lbs, and in law enforcement (I’m blessed to be able to ccw)

If you really are involved in any sort of active duty then you really should know better than to use your employment to posture like this. I cant imagine that this would not be of concern to your employer.

[Mark1107]

Trust me, they know whats going on and laughed at how "triggered" all of you snowflakes are especially with the "Karens" on here. This is great entertainment for my brothers!


If you really are involved in any sort of active duty then you really should know better than to use your employment to posture like this. I cant imagine that this would not be of concern to your employer.

[Whiskey]

If anyone reading this had any thought what-so-ever of buying a Viper and squirreling it away as an investment for 20-50 years I'm sure this would discourage them from doing so.


Yes, YES, YES!!! Drive and enjoy them like it might be your last chance to and don't bank on glacial changes in global markets, and shifts in this and end of that. And when you're no longer enjoying it please sell to someone who will enjoy and cherish it like you did!

Bruce, you and I are on the same page. Drive these things...dear God they are good and I can honestly say one of the best things about my job is the fact I drive 50min each way in my Gen5 GTS!

[Viper Girl]

Since this is the Gen V forum... How about having threads about Gen V Vipers? Might be a good to start...

Final thought before this thread goes back to Viper chat...

You snowbirds that want to visit a California beach... Do not go to the Palos Verdes peninsula...
The PV shelf is a DDT superfund site that hasn't been cleaned up. Thats been ongoing for decades now.

You don't wanna go swimming or fishing anywhere close to it.

[Whiskey]

Since this is the Gen V forum... How about having threads about Gen V Vipers? Might be a good to start...

Final thought before this thread goes back to Viper chat...

You snowbirds that want to visit a California beach... Do not go to the Palos Verdes peninsula...
The PV shelf is a DDT superfund site that hasn't been cleaned up. Thats been ongoing for decades now.

You don't wanna go swimming or fishing anywhere close to it.

Or come to Florida...we have more beaches and lots of flat long roads to let that snake stretch its legs (or um...scales?).

[Mark1107]

[Thank you Viper Girl! And yes we dont swim or fish any ocean, just enjoy the views and killer sunsets!

Back to vipers!

QUOTE=Viper Girl;432292]Since this is the Gen V forum... How about having threads about Gen V Vipers? Might be a good to start...

Final thought before this thread goes back to Viper chat...

You snowbirds that want to visit a California beach... Do not go to the Palos Verdes peninsula...
The PV shelf is a DDT superfund site that hasn't been cleaned up. Thats been ongoing for decades now.

You don't wanna go swimming or fishing anywhere close to it.[/QUOTE]

[StrokerAce]

My favorite thing to do at the beach is sit under an umbrella with a cold beverage and very dark sunglasses. :) It's more dramatic if you lower them when you get caught staring. :t15197:

[TrackAire]

Im bored...lets change subjects!

Anyone go overlanding or like camping? Any Range Rover fans???

47001

I'm a huge Rover fan. Wife has a Range Rover Sport Supercharged and I have a Range Rover Supercharged (2012, the last of the L322 platform). My warranty is up in April and it is scheduled for a custom 2" spacer lift kit (not just Johnson rods) and LT265/60R20's. We'll be using this vehicle more for light duty exploration, gold claim sites, etc since all these locations require at least a 2 hour drive on the interstate and this is where the big RR excels.

I prefer the cushy street ride of my RR over my wife's Sport, but Jesus her car is just so much more responsive and snappy in shift algorithm and handling with the hydraulic sway bar. I'd lose my license if I had the SVO version of the Sport...those things are beasts.

We test drove the new Defender....rode super smooth on the road. I was a little disappointed with the small side view mirrors (compared to our Range Rovers) and I noticed quite a bit of wind noise over 75 mph. The wife loved it but she really needs a powered rear hatch for hauling the dogs, etc.

I really like the color of your SVO...very unique.

[TrackAire]

I always try to buy the last production car in the series...hers is a 2013 RRS and mine is a 2012 RR. Both of these cars have been great but honestly they have the least amount of useable storage space compared to other vehicles of their size. The wife really likes the full size Discovery for the added cargo room and ride comfort but they are just missing that "it" factor that the boxy Range Rovers have. I think the shape has to me more masculine like the Defender.

Regarding your Defender, a good friend of mine that is an off road driving instructor and off road book author was allowed to test a unit in severe off road environments. He told me that of any vehicle that he has driven that uses electronic traction control, the Defender has the most advanced traction control system that is "proactive" instead of "reactive" like 99% of the traction control systems out there. The way it anticipates traction conditions is uncanny. He was very impressed with the 4WD capabilities even though he is not a Land Rover fan overall.

Just to throw a monkey wrench in your Defender ownership....I just saw information that the 2022 may be coming out with the 5.0 Supercharged motor in both the two door and four door versions. A two door Defender with 518 hp would definitely be a fun run around car.

[Viper Girl]

Hiya guys... This is a forum for Gen V topics. For the Rover chat please start a thread in https://driveviper.com/forums/forums/32-Your-Other-Rides
I'll be happy to move the above posts to the thread you start in the appropriate forum.

Thanks

[Mark1107]

Sorry Viper Girl. Were done. I will keep it focused on Vipers.

[Viper Girl]

OK after some "Mods" to this thread... I've removed all home and Rover photos...

Back to Gen V Vipers Lads! Here we go! :icon_devil:

[SilveRT8]

OK after some "Mods" to this thread... I've removed all home and Rover photos...

Back to Gen V Vipers Lads! Here we go! :icon_devil:

Thanks for staying on top of things !

[Policy Limits]

I wonder if viper prices will plummet when everyone jumps on the C8 mid engine band wagon later this year.

The answer is: I was offered 20k over on my C8 & offered 100k over on my ACR and turned both down.

[ForTehNguyen]

i wouldve offloaded the vette, going to be a dime a dozen in a couple years

[Policy Limits]

Which is why the secret was owning ít last season & this one. In six months of C8 ownership I haven't seen not a single one besides mine on the roads. And in four ỷears of SE ACR-E ownership I haven't seen not a single one besides mine on the roads.

Value speculation is fun. However, át this point the Viper Value naysayers don't have much credibility.

[ViperJon]

The answer is: I was offered 20k over on my C8 & offered 100k over on my ACR and turned both down.

And yet apparently can only afford an IPhone 1 judging by the photo quality.

[Policy Limits]

Lmfbooo. Hey when your stable is stacked like that something in the budget has got to give. However I'd rather skimp on the cellular budget than on the Anger mângement classes budget. Are you still mad that you own a 1/4 Mill collector car?