AMG GTR vs ACR

[Arizona Vipers]

I finally got my GTR. I had one on order forever, Mercedes was holding them in a warehouse in Long Beach. I found this used one for $41K off MSRP with only 2K miles so I cancelled my order.
I've had it in my thread for awhile and got a lot of PM's about comparing the two, on the street and the track. I'm taking it to the track on Wednesday, but on street tires. In January I should have Forgelines for it and Michelin slicks and then I can see what she can really do.
On the street the GTR is MUCH faster and much more of a handful to drive. If any of you have driven a Benz with the Hot V turbo 4.0 you'll know what I'm talking about Never have I felt a car with so much off idle torque. The sound is incredible, like it shouldn't even be legal. The rear end of the car will step out with 3/4 throttle. The car NEEDS a much bigger wing I'm researching that now.
The car feels MASSIVE, even bigger than the Viper. The motor doesn't even start until over 4 feet back from the front bumper, which gives the car it's 53/47 rear bias.
My feeling is the GTR will annihilate the Viper on the straights, and going into slow turns the 4WS is crazy. You turn a corner and you don't really turn per se, the car rotates, like it's an ice skate. It feels freaky. The ACR will be faster coming out of slow turns because the wing will let me put power down faster. It's not really a fair compaison as the GTR is actually one class down in Nasa because of it's weight, but I think lap times will be very similar. I plan on tuning the GTR as well, and maybe do the turbo impeller upgrades which will put the car close to 800hp. I'm going to track it a few times a year, I don't want this car to get beat up obviously. I'll report back after my track day with my opinions on the two cars on the track.
Pics below. It's interesting to see how much lower the ACR is, the whole roofline/cockpit of the GTR is way bigger/taller. I think overall the Viper is way sexier, and the GTR looks meaner. Look at the wing envy in pick 4 LOL




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[serpent]

Nice OP!
I've been telling my brother to get an AMG GT for his 50th. GTR is on another level.

I think if the ACR had a DCT and at least 700rwhp (basically over 800hp @ engine), it would be the car manufacturers would be gunning for. But 645hp when corvette/camaros and dodge hellcat/challenger is doing over that, Dodge really goofed on making our cars stand out in the world stage.

[Arizona Vipers]

Nice OP!
I've been telling my brother to get an AMG GT for his 50th. GTR is on another level.

I think if the ACR had a DCT and at least 700rwhp (basically over 800hp @ engine), it would be the car manufacturers would be gunning for. But 645hp when corvette/camaros and dodge hellcat/challenger is doing over that, Dodge really goofed on making our cars stand out in the world stage.

Yeah I've been doing a lot of studying how DCT's affect lap times. They help in so many ways besides just acceleration.

[SK GT]

Sweet car Arizona. A follow Shmee on youtube who has one. Those things can be turned up pretty easily if you so desire.

[commandomatt]

Absolutely stunning. Congratulations on yet another great car

The front end design on the AMG is one of the best out there. The green is just evil looking.

Very nice and cant wait to hear what you think of it.

[v10tt]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-fNVJRHGW04&t=451s
Car looks awesome, congrats.!
No way the MB takes down your 9.0 Xtreme from a roll, or any Heads and Cam viper for that matter. go to 4:56 mark on video and watch it vs a stock Lambo that traps 130. GTR has 577 hp at the motor stock.

World record on a modified one with bigger turbos is 10.2 at 134 mph.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-5mnN4iNQs

[99RT10]

What a beautiful car! Love the color!

[Scott_in_fl]

Nice write up! Love the front end, hate the side and rear views. Awesome color though.

I have a buddy with one and the sound is amazing. But then again, the blown AMG's have had the right soundtrack for years now. They do depreciate like pigs though, so nice call on grabbing something with a discount.

Enjoy!

[ForTehNguyen]

AMG GT is one of my favorite cars. Drove the GTR at exotics racing during NVE3. Not seeing how its going to be faster in straights than the viper though 640hp/600trq 3350# vs 577hp 516trq 3700#. Turbos always have a faster feeling when boost comes in vs N/A

[Arizona Vipers]

Sweet car Arizona. A follow Shmee on youtube who has one. Those things can be turned up pretty easily if you so desire.

Funny I found that dude pretty quick when I first start looking at GTR videos, I didn't like him at first, but he's great. Love his enthusiasm.

[Arizona Vipers]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-fNVJRHGW04&t=451s
Car looks awesome, congrats.!
No way the MB takes down your 9.0 Xtreme from a roll, or any Heads and Cam viper for that matter. go to 4:56 mark on video and watch it vs a stock Lambo that traps 130. GTR has 577 hp at the motor stock.

World record on a modified one with bigger turbos is 10.2 at 134 mph.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-5mnN4iNQs

Yeah it can't touch the 9.0, I just meant the stock ACR. Turbo Benz's are massively underrated in power, but yeah it can't run with a 740whp 2800 lb car lol. The GTR is HEAVY too, 3700 lbs\
The turbo upgrade is $16K including the tune which RennTech rates at 761hp.

[Arizona Vipers]

AMG GT is one of my favorite cars. Drove the GTR at exotics racing during NVE3. Not seeing how its going to be faster in straights than the viper though 640hp/600trq 3350# vs 577hp 516trq 3700#. Turbos always have a faster feeling when boost comes in vs N/A

It's the DCT and underrated motor. Most magazine tests have the car at 11 flat at close to 130mph traps. I get walked by GT3's on the straights too in my ACR, I have many posts about this. The LAST generation GT3's ran 11 flat at close to 130. Most magazine tests have the Viper mid 11's and mid 120's. Pretty much every car out there with a DCT nowadays walks the Viper in a straight line with MUCH less power. This is pretty good article- https://www.roadandtrack.com/car-culture/a13442203/dual-clutch-vs-manual-on-track/ He did Vbox data and it shows even with the fastest most humanly perfect shift taking only .02 seconds you lose 1.5mph per shift. When you compare mere mortal man shifts of .03-.05 you can lose up to 4mph to a DCT car per shift. Besides acceleration benefits there are many others, like the car not getting unsettled as much upshifting in a turn etc, the DCT lets the car shift mid turn with no issues. Also the instant shifts and no loss of acceleration per shift lets the car have way closer gearing.
I've posted this before, Z06 vs ACR vs GT3 same day, same driver same track the Porsche walks the Viper and Vette up until about 125mph. That's exactly what happens with my ACR and GT3's at the track. Anyone that tracks their Viper's eventually gets a big surprise on the straights by DCT cars
https://www.motortrend.com/cars/dodge/viper/2016/2016-chevrolet-corvette-z06-vs-2016-dodge-viper-acr-vs-2016-porsche-911-gt3-rs/

[SINIS7R]

Doesn't the AMG GTR basically share the same chassis as the viper? I believe Mercedes took the design when Daimler owned Chrysler.

[MinGrey02Stg2]

Awesome car and you definitely picked the right color. Only question is when is the weight reduction starting? ;) Enjoy it!

[Arizona Vipers]

Doesn't the AMG GTR basically share the same chassis as the viper? I believe Mercedes took the design when Daimler owned Chrysler.

No that was a myth created when Mercedes used camo body panels that looked like a Gen 2 Viper while developing the SLS.
Check it out- https://www.autoevolution.com/news/the-sls-amg-is-not-based-on-a-defunct-viper-project-21844.html

[ViperSRT]

They lost a bit of journalistic integrity with this line:

"How on Earth would someone go from a "shed-built" super sports car with a V10 that originally came from a truck and then build its next generation using space age technology? "

[Arizona Vipers]

They lost a bit of journalistic integrity with this line:

"How on Earth would someone go from a "shed-built" super sports car with a V10 that originally came from a truck and then build its next generation using space age technology? "

yeah they just had to throw that in there, right? heh.

[TA Two Oh]

Great car! Like others have noted, the front end is just badass. The interior is a masterpiece. And it's one of those cars that punches way above its weight class. Looking at the specs... weight, hp, torque... it shouldn't be able to run what it does. Amazing. Car and Driver had one in your exact colour in their 2017 Lightning Lap. It had the optional carbon ceramic brakes and Z07 package Corvette tires. (TPC Chevrolet Spec Cup 2's, instead of the narrower standard equipment Cup 2's. They're a no-cost factory option) That car was fastest that year, beating the 911 Turbo S by almost 3.5 seconds at VIR!!! The fastest GT3 they'd run at that time was a 2016 RS and it was a tick slower than the Turbo S in their hands. The GT R virtually tied the ACR time from 2016. I know...different driver, different day and plenty of grumbling about Car and Driver staffers not knowing how to drive Vipers. But still, it's up in the rarefied air. (At the time, the only street car that they'd lapped faster than your GT R was the 918 and the difference was 0.3 seconds on a 2 3/4 minute lap.)

You guessed that the ACR would pull harder on corner exits and you might be correct. But, interestingly, they made particular mention on how the GT R flat rocketed out of the corners. According to their data, it got back to full throttle sooner than every other car they tested that year, even the AWD Turbo S.

Looking forward to your feedback after a track day. Congratulations.

[Drummerviper]

It is a great car and we had one in that color here recently.

[BlknBlu]

That color is called Green Hell Magno, a fellow Viper club member here in Omaha has a Blue one. Menacing when driving down the road.

Bruce

[Stealth78]

That car, that color... Damn! Congratulations! I've loved that car specifically in that color ever since I saw it.

[Terminator02]

Funny I found that dude pretty quick when I first start looking at GTR videos, I didn't like him at first, but he's great. Love his enthusiasm.



"Hi guys it's Shmee and today i...." yeah he has a great YouTube presence.

Many people say it's probably the best value and punches well above it's weight class. Both that car and the AMG e63s sedan are at the top of the heap in their respective classes. For all street driving the sedan beats the GTR but the GTR is the winner on the track, for GT and overall exotic purposes. Congrats OP. Online there's videos of slightly modded GTRs and the issue is traction. Hopefully, the wing and tire setup fixes that and handles your tuning plans. Great combo of cars.

[Scott_in_fl]

The butt love is really gushing around here today. The car is fine, but let's keep it real. It's no SVJ/GT2RS/720S. Everyone who has an AMG GT around here seems to keep it for about 3 weeks before flipping it back out (which might explain the mad depreciation). Curious to hear the track report though from someone who can really drive. But then I would love for Arizona to take out one of the aforementioned track beasts also. That would be awesome.

[serpent]

The butt love is really gushing around here today. The car is fine, but let's keep it real. It's no SVJ/GT2RS/720S. Everyone who has an AMG GT around here seems to keep it for about 3 weeks before flipping it back out (which might explain the mad depreciation). Curious to hear the track report though from someone who can really drive. But then I would love for Arizona to take out one of the aforementioned track beasts also. That would be awesome.
Lol, you're crazy an AMG GT is 1/3 the price of all the cars you mentioned. No comparison.

[Terminator02]

The butt love is really gushing around here today. The car is fine, but let's keep it real. It's no SVJ/GT2RS/720S. Everyone who has an AMG GT around here seems to keep it for about 3 weeks before flipping it back out (which might explain the mad depreciation). Curious to hear the track report though from someone who can really drive. But then I would love for Arizona to take out one of the aforementioned track beasts also. That would be awesome.

Not following logic. Not everything comes to a track time. Hardly anyone buys these cars because of a temporary record. Cars you mentioned are in a different class. Yet this car is regarded super highly amongst people that own most of the cars you mentioned. Salomandrin youtuber and anyone who has it along with higher tier cars say it's the best car out for what you get.

Why would there be "butt love"? Could it be those who commented really just like the damn car?!

[simon455]

Congrats on a very nice car, They seem to be underrated and not talked about much for some reason, seen local shop dyno tune a gtc finding just under 100hp with ease. Now they introduced the gtr-pro at the LA auto show, it’s just like acr version of the Amg gt, ironically the entire line is so similar to the viper line, where the gtr was the king just like the ta until the acr came around. Can’t wait to see the gtr pro when they hit the market

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=e6rTVQnjQek

[est8esq]

It's the DCT and underrated motor. Most magazine tests have the car at 11 flat at close to 130mph traps. I get walked by GT3's on the straights too in my ACR, I have many posts about this... That's exactly what happens with my ACR and GT3's at the track. Anyone that tracks their Viper's eventually gets a big surprise on the straights by DCT cars
https://www.motortrend.com/cars/dodge/viper/2016/2016-chevrolet-corvette-z06-vs-2016-dodge-viper-acr-vs-2016-porsche-911-gt3-rs/

Gets even worse when you can't pass Caymans on straights, lol.
Congratulations on the GTR. Love the color.

[commandomatt]

The butt love is really gushing around here today. The car is fine, but let's keep it real. It's no SVJ/GT2RS/720S. Everyone who has an AMG GT around here seems to keep it for about 3 weeks before flipping it back out (which might explain the mad depreciation). Curious to hear the track report though from someone who can really drive. But then I would love for Arizona to take out one of the aforementioned track beasts also. That would be awesome.

You are really living in an ACR bubble. I understand the OP bought the AMG for a daily driver and would challenge anyone here to pick the ACRE over the AMG when using it as such.

While you always bring up track results as the only important measure for a car, why don't you share with us how many miles you have on your car now and how many of those are on a track ?

[serpent]

While you always bring up track results as the only important measure for a car, why don't you share with us how many miles you have on your car now and how many of those are on a track ?
A guy that keeps bringing up track results yet does not track car himself or even come close to the times the results he's been raving about is by definition a waxer.

[ViperSmith]

Good to see Scott_in_fl hasn't changed.

Awesome car. Along with the 570s it is something else I am looking at. Very "Viper"-esque, but refined - but means not as raw as the Viper.

[Snakebit10]

Interesting that some think it will be as fast or faster than the ACR "on track". On a track like the Ring the Vipers best lap is actually more than 10 secs faster than the GTR's best lap and the Viper is at a huge disadvantage on the Ring due to aero and no DCT.

An average Viper driver will get creamed by any DCT sportscar out now as mentioned but I remember some vids of a Viper running with a few 130mph trapping cars with a "driver mod".

I say we wait and see how Arizona does time-wise on the shorter tracks stateside before passing the torch to the big teutonic brute. I think it will be a Viper win by a second with equal tires.

Love the GTR regardless. One of the best modern Benz sportscars. Congrats.

[Bruce H.]

Congrats on the new acquisition!

I have a buddy with the GTS version who loves it on track and two others that are faster in their ACR-Es than in their GTRs, but also have more seat time in their Vipers. Unfortunately one did blow his GTR engine recently at the track, which I mention as a consideration to possible warranty issues with mods.

Have a blast and looking forward to your experiences with it on and off track!

Bruce

[Arizona Vipers]

The butt love is really gushing around here today. The car is fine, but let's keep it real. It's no SVJ/GT2RS/720S. Everyone who has an AMG GT around here seems to keep it for about 3 weeks before flipping it back out (which might explain the mad depreciation). Curious to hear the track report though from someone who can really drive. But then I would love for Arizona to take out one of the aforementioned track beasts also. That would be awesome.

For me it's my new daily driver, replacing a sedan as my kids are almost moved out of the house. You can't compare it to those cars, this is a luxury car that can also put down some quick lap times. Hence the 3700 lbs. This car has a base price around $150K. There is a new PRO model coming out next year, same exact car with more aero, like an "acr" version Then soon after that will be the Black Series GTR and it should smoke those above cars and be closer to them in price.

[Arizona Vipers]

Congrats on a very nice car, They seem to be underrated and not talked about much for some reason, seen local shop dyno tune a gtc finding just under 100hp with ease. Now they introduced the gtr-pro at the LA auto show, it’s just like acr version of the Amg gt, ironically the entire line is so similar to the viper line, where the gtr was the king just like the ta until the acr came around. Can’t wait to see the gtr pro when they hit the market

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=e6rTVQnjQek

I really want the PRO's wing and canards, but can't wait a year for the parts to come out.
Yeah they are massively underrated. The E class for example is rated at 603hp/627 ft/lbs, but they dyno close to that at the wheels. Renntech baselines all the mercedes cars and they rate the E63 at 691hp 694 fl/lbs bone stock. LOL. 773 hp 774 ft/lbs just from their mild tune.

[Arizona Vipers]

Good to see Scott_in_fl hasn't changed.

Awesome car. Along with the 570s it is something else I am looking at. Very "Viper"-esque, but refined - but means not as raw as the Viper.

It's rawer than you think, just from the sound. The thing just rips and snorts and pops. You find yourself speeding up before every stop light just so you have to break and get the crazy decel pops. I can't believe the car even passes Feds.

[Arizona Vipers]

Interesting that some think it will be as fast or faster than the ACR "on track". On a track like the Ring the Vipers best lap is actually more than 10 secs faster than the GTR's best lap and the Viper is at a huge disadvantage on the Ring due to aero and no DCT.

An average Viper driver will get creamed by any DCT sportscar out now as mentioned but I remember some vids of a Viper running with a few 130mph trapping cars with a "driver mod".

I say we wait and see how Arizona does time-wise on the shorter tracks stateside before passing the torch to the big teutonic brute. I think it will be a Viper win by a second with equal tires.

Love the GTR regardless. One of the best modern Benz sportscars. Congrats.

I think elite pro drivers can get faster lap times with the ACR on most tracks, but for the 99% of other drivers they'll be faster in the Benz. It's basically point and shoot and the four wheel steering is cheating

[Arizona Vipers]

Congrats on the new acquisition!

I have a buddy with the GTS version who loves it on track and two others that are faster in their ACR-Es than in their GTRs, but also have more seat time in their Vipers. Unfortunately one did blow his GTR engine recently at the track, which I mention as a consideration to possible warranty issues with mods.

Have a blast and looking forward to your experiences with it on and off track!

Bruce

He blew a motor? Yikes! Do you know if it was tuned? Did they find out what happened?

[uberpube]

I dunno, not feeling it, that car reminds of an RX8 where it looked like it was sectioned into 3 and worked on by different designers.

[Bruce H.]

You have a PM

[Voice of Reason]

While out shopping yesterday I was shocked to see an identical GTR parked at our Target. And not back in a corner, parking was so bad due to the holidays that it was mixed right into the middle. As I’m drooling over the car an older couple pulls into the empty spot next to it in their $1,500 shitbox. I was glad to see the woman didn’t open her door into it, I don’t think she thought I was serious when I said, pointing to the GTR, that is cost close to $200k.

I’d love to own one of these someday.

[Martyb]

Beautiful car! Drove a GT a while back while the wife’s car was at the dealer, awesome machine.

Congrats Cable!

[viperBase1]

1st off CONGRATS AZ, what a pair! :dude3:


I had one on order forever, Mercedes was holding them in a warehouse in Long Beach. I found this used one for $41K off MSRP with only 2K miles so I cancelled my order.
I'd like to hear more about this story. Can you share some details on what happened/how it rolled out?



Gets even worse when you can't pass Caymans on straights, lol.
Yeah! My next acquisition will be a Cayman S or GTS with PDK / DCT.

I really need to experience a good DCT.
Unfortunately for me, I need to live with it for a long while before passing personal judgement.

[PkB2014]

Love it. Congrats. I’m curious to see how you like it on track as I’m thinking of one of these.

[ky13]

Gorgeous color!

[ForTehNguyen]

me driving one when the NVE3 vipers were tracking at the speedway. I drove the AMG GTR, 911 GT3 RS, and Huracan Peformante. I liked the AMG GTR feel the best


https://youtu.be/gJis2CZz1do?t=168

[Scott_in_fl]

You are really living in an ACR bubble. I understand the OP bought the AMG for a daily driver and would challenge anyone here to pick the ACRE over the AMG when using it as such.

While you always bring up track results as the only important measure for a car, why don't you share with us how many miles you have on your car now and how many of those are on a track ?

Not living in an ACR bubble. I think the Gen V is terrific and will defend it all day long against most other cars if we're discussing the driving experience. If you want to discuss artwork on wheels, I'll support Ferrari (yes, even against the ACR :)). If we want to discuss pure performance, I'll support lots of cars like Pcar GT2RS or Mac 720S.


A guy that keeps bringing up track results yet does not track car himself or even come close to the times the results he's been raving about is by definition a waxer.

I can assure you that I have far more track miles under my belt at more racetracks around the country than you do. And we're not talking track days or PDE events, but rather actual competitive racing. But maybe I've become a waxer in my old age. That is fine with me.


For me it's my new daily driver, replacing a sedan as my kids are almost moved out of the house. You can't compare it to those cars, this is a luxury car that can also put down some quick lap times. Hence the 3700 lbs. This car has a base price around $150K. There is a new PRO model coming out next year, same exact car with more aero, like an "acr" version Then soon after that will be the Black Series GTR and it should smoke those above cars and be closer to them in price.

I did not appreciate that this was a daily driver. For that, it seems like a nice choice. I love the interior and think MB knocked it out of the park there. There are also some great styling cues aesthetically, but mechanically I've always disliked the cars. They seem to be very hit-or-miss on reliability and the value proposition is generally absent. Moreover, I like other options right now for similar money, such as ZR1 or used 911tt as a 2-door daily. For a real daily (i.e. 4 or more doors), I like the new M5.

Now, why do I share the opinion that I rather take the keys to a ZR1 or M5 before an MB GT? Because apparently nobody else will and forums are becoming very whitewashed these days (not just here). Let's keep the discussion interesting by hearing some differentiating views every now and then.

[Scott_in_fl]

I dunno, not feeling it, that car reminds of an RX8 where it looked like it was sectioned into 3 and worked on by different designers.

Now that's what I'm talking about. Amen!

[Arizona Vipers]

Not living in an ACR bubble. I think the Gen V is terrific and will defend it all day long against most other cars if we're discussing the driving experience. If you want to discuss artwork on wheels, I'll support Ferrari (yes, even against the ACR :)). If we want to discuss pure performance, I'll support lots of cars like Pcar GT2RS or Mac 720S.



I can assure you that I have far more track miles under my belt at more racetracks around the country than you do. And we're not talking track days or PDE events, but rather actual competitive racing. But maybe I've become a waxer in my old age. That is fine with me.



I did not appreciate that this was a daily driver. For that, it seems like a nice choice. I love the interior and think MB knocked it out of the park there. There are also some great styling cues aesthetically, but mechanically I've always disliked the cars. They seem to be very hit-or-miss on reliability and the value proposition is generally absent. Moreover, I like other options right now for similar money, such as ZR1 or used 911tt as a 2-door daily. For a real daily (i.e. 4 or more doors), I like the new M5.

Now, why do I share the opinion that I rather take the keys to a ZR1 or M5 before an MB GT? Because apparently nobody else will and forums are becoming very whitewashed these days (not just here). Let's keep the discussion interesting by hearing some differentiating views every now and then.

The GT is a great value if you get the base models which are plenty fast, or just keep the options down on the GTR they start at $150K. Not bad.
I have indeed have had bad luck with the last 2 Mercedes I've bought, all kinds of problems. My wife's E63 wagon was in the shop over 50 days in the first 800 miles. Lemon Law in Arizona would have forced them to buy it back, except we leased it and in AZ the manufacturer doesn't have to buy it back and they refused. Let's hope the GTR does ok the buyer said in 2K miles he never had one issue. I plan on doing a Renntech tune so keeping my fingers crossed.

[ForTehNguyen]

lot of AMG GT came off leases and can be had for 85-90k when it used to be 130k

[serpent]

I can assure you that I have far more track miles under my belt at more racetracks around the country than you do. And we're not talking track days or PDE events, but rather actual competitive racing. But maybe I've become a waxer in my old age. That is fine with me.

So you've raced the ACR at many tracks? Dang and here I am thinking you were just a waxer with magazines in the trunk of his ACR running around telling people at a cars and coffee how fast the ACR is. LOL

How about some proof you've taken the ACR to at least one track in florida.

[dewilmoth]

So you've raced the ACR at many tracks? Dang and here I am thinking you were just a waxer with magazines in the trunk of his ACR running around telling people at a cars and coffee how fast the ACR is. LOL

How about some proof you've taken the ACR to at least one track in florida.

To be fair, he never said he raced his ACR.

[sadil]

Nice OP!
I've been telling my brother to get an AMG GT for his 50th. GTR is on another level.

I think if the ACR had a DCT and at least 700rwhp (basically over 800hp @ engine), it would be the car manufacturers would be gunning for. But 645hp when corvette/camaros and dodge hellcat/challenger is doing over that, Dodge really goofed on making our cars stand out in the world stage.

LOL, ACR was announced in 2015 and some probably took delivery early 2016. That's 2 years to this past summer with us on the world stage. Everyone else just caught up. The whole world was paying attention when every car was murdered one by one at the track. Dodge gave you a 7:01 capable 6 speed track monster that was mowing down all kinds of trick tech the conventional way and you could have it for 140K. The Corvette needed another 100 hp to match times. Lambroghini, Ferrari, Porsche, Mercedes all needed paddle shift transmissions to be better. The automotive world will remember what the ACR (Gen IV and V), and the Viper in general, accomplished. Fumbling the entire marketing campaign back in 12/13 sealed the car's faith until end of production. However, the ACR was a much needed breathe of fresh air to make sure the G5 went out with a bang. It did to hyper cars what the Nissan GTR did to super cars. With the recent success of Dodge performance cars and trucks, I am starting to get really excited with what FCA might come up with next. Hopefully the recent success will allow proper funding to release something revolutionary.

[Scott_in_fl]

There are at least two reasons why I have not tracked the ACR -- limited time (I am the managing partner of a land use and real estate litigation law firm with two little girls, ages 4 and 7) and limited desire (as mentioned previously, I've been there and done that; thus, I do not have the yearning that you might to get back to sweating all day in a paddock with race gear, turning wrenches and eating Subway out of an ice cooler; I'm good).

Plus, frankly, I kinda' screwed myself because the car came out too nice from the 1 of 1 program. I enjoyed the ordering and build process but was not prepared to love the end result as much as I do. I never thought that would be a detractor, but it is -- which kinda' screwed its chances for the track). I should have bought a used car in some common solid color like gunmetal if I wanted to track it but, as they say, everything happens for a reason.

As for mileage, the car has 1,800 miles as of this weekend when I took my 7 yo for a ride. She loves cars and loves the ACR. If it lives out its remaining days as her excuse to get away with dad by herself, even if we just putt around our town in it, I'll be more than happy with that.

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Now, how did we get here from my comment about the GTR?

[darbgnik]

Honestly, I can see Scotts point to a degree. Sure an ACR is best used at a track, but tracking doesn't hold a candle to racing. It just doesn't.

I bought my Viper as a track day car, and it has about as many track miles as street miles on it. But the more racing I do, the less interest I have in track days. I think last year I made two?

Going wheel to wheel in $15,000 junkers is much more exhilarating than open lapping in todays best exotica...... well, maybe not on the straights. lol.

[Racingswh]

Going wheel to wheel in $15,000 junkers is much more exhilarating than open lapping in todays best exotica...... well, maybe not on the straights. lol.

Racing is a lot of fun!! What series are you racing in and what type of car?

To the OP congrats on the new addition! Enjoy having fun with it!!

[darbgnik]

Racing is a lot of fun!! What series are you racing in and what type of car?

To the OP congrats on the new addition! Enjoy having fun with it!!

I race wherever I get invited. Lol. Have race bag will travel. I've raced in cars from Mustangs in Chump car in Canada to Civic CRXs in Champ car in the US. My last seat was in a spec Miata. Beautiful handling little cars. Cheap fun! By racing standards anyway!

[ViperDC]

The butt love is really gushing around here today. The car is fine, but let's keep it real. It's no SVJ/GT2RS/720S. Everyone who has an AMG GT around here seems to keep it for about 3 weeks before flipping it back out (which might explain the mad depreciation). Curious to hear the track report though from someone who can really drive. But then I would love for Arizona to take out one of the aforementioned track beasts also. That would be awesome.

Do you have to douche up every thread?

Let the guy post about his car. Next you'll be waxing poetic about connecting with the road via your standard manual transmission. Just save it. Thanks.

[Rapidrezults]

Congrats AZ! I was super close to getting one about a year ago but I couldn't justify the depreciation hit I knew it would take. I test drove a GTC Edition 50 at my local dealer and I was hooked. It was so much fun to drive and the interior was insane. I can't think of a better daily driver in that category. Hopefully you found more than one with 40k off MSRP so I can go get one too! For anyone not digging the way they look, they actually look MUCH better in person than in pics. I also think a sick set of wheels and a slight lowering job sets them off, but what car doesn't benefit from that.

Look forward to seeing your feedback and reports on the new Viper/AMG hybrid forum. Who knew it would take a little AMG action to revive these forums again. Haha

[Rare Snake]

Nice Car, Arizona. I'm glad to see they built a stronger Merc. Not quite my cup of tea, but I can see why people like them so much.

I had a yellow AMG GTS come at me on the highway last year, and I was surprised how strong my stock GTS pulled away on him. I thought they were a bit faster than they are.

[Scott_in_fl]

Do you have to douche up every thread?

Let the guy post about his car. Next you'll be waxing poetic about connecting with the road via your standard manual transmission. Just save it. Thanks.

I purposely do it for you DC, because I know how much it bothers you :)

[BlackMamba89]

Honestly, I can see Scotts point to a degree. Sure an ACR is best used at a track, but tracking doesn't hold a candle to racing. It just doesn't.

I bought my Viper as a track day car, and it has about as many track miles as street miles on it. But the more racing I do, the less interest I have in track days. I think last year I made two?

Going wheel to wheel in $15,000 junkers is much more exhilarating than open lapping in todays best exotica...... well, maybe not on the straights. lol.

What's the difference between tracking and racing? Tracking is individual while racing is competitive?

[darbgnik]

What's the difference between tracking and racing? Tracking is individual while racing is competitive?
Tracking is driving on a racetrack non competitively. You're trying to be fast, but there's nothing to win.

Track days you try to be courteous of faster guys. Try not to get in their way. Racing you're not necessarily courteous, you're trying to win. Lol.

There's a lot more chances taken while racing. You want to bring the car back in one piece, but if it looks a little worse, that's fine. Lol. You never go three wide, balls out in a corner while tracking......

[stradman]

You never go three wide, balls out in a corner while tracking......

Well not usually. Unfortunately where I track and the people we track with, red mist occasionally descends and we do find ourselves 3 abreast going into a corner occasionally . It's all okay of course as we usually know each other.. Until it ends in tears for someone at some point ... Lol!

[SharpMan]

Well not usually. LOL...isn't that the truth!

AMG GT is an engineering work or art. I mean this is the best in the business execution in manufacturing and design. Incredible piece!

I love the driving and tracking experience of my ACR and it's an absolutely toy from a styling perspective but while I think it's decently built it can't hold a candle to the level of execution of the AMG.

[Arizona Vipers]

Congrats AZ! I was super close to getting one about a year ago but I couldn't justify the depreciation hit I knew it would take. I test drove a GTC Edition 50 at my local dealer and I was hooked. It was so much fun to drive and the interior was insane. I can't think of a better daily driver in that category. Hopefully you found more than one with 40k off MSRP so I can go get one too! For anyone not digging the way they look, they actually look MUCH better in person than in pics. I also think a sick set of wheels and a slight lowering job sets them off, but what car doesn't benefit from that.

Look forward to seeing your feedback and reports on the new Viper/AMG hybrid forum. Who knew it would take a little AMG action to revive these forums again. Haha

Hey dude! Funny I saw a couple of your posts over on the MB forum! Are you still looking? I got really lucky because I've been looking for a long time and the GTR's are holding their value extremely well.

[Arizona Vipers]

Well not usually. Unfortunately where I track and the people we track with, red mist occasionally descends and we do find ourselves 3 abreast going into a corner occasionally . It's all okay of course as we usually know each other.. Until it ends in tears for someone at some point ... Lol!

Same here, HPDE4 in nasa looks just like race group, but we have all been tracking together for a long time so we trust each other. We have way more crashes in HPDE than race group.