Thinking of trading my Ferrari 360 for a Gen V

[JPL]

Hi all, thinking of trading my 2000 Ferrari 360 with a manual 6 speed transmission for a Gen V. I had a 94 Viper for about 12 years and loved it, then I got the Ferrari over 4 years ago, and it's great as well, but it might be time to move on, (still not 100% sure yet). So, of course, I'm reaching out to you guys for info on the Gen V, the ups/downs, things to look out for, problems/issues with the Gen V, and all the positives as well.....racking my brain with this one for a while now, lol! Thanks!

[ACRSNK]

Do yourself a HUGE solid and do a search on all of the things listed in your post. There are countless threads touching on all of your inquiries that will provide you with lots of great information. Good luck with your search and for goodness sake post a pic of the 360!

[JPL]

Do yourself a HUGE solid and do a search on all of the things listed in your post. There are countless threads touching on all of your inquiries that will provide you with lots of great information. Good luck with your search and for goodness sake post a pic of the 360!

Thanks ACR....here you go:33527

[ForTehNguyen]

G5 is by far the most refined. Especially if you find a GTS Laguna package one. Are you familiar with the various trim levels? Biggest thing with the G5s is the 2013s mainly had engine build issues where many engines were replaced, but were given 10 year powertrain warranty extensions whether replaced or not. There are a number of TSBs out so just make sure they were taken care of by putting the VIN in the MOPAR recall website.

Main issues I took care of were:
Door sill heat - by getting a belanger exhaust with high flow cats. Location of factory secondary cats puts it really close to the door sills and causes high door sill temperatures. Temperature can damage the paint and any PPF you have on it over time. Plus the factory drone is annoying. Belanger exhaust fixed the door sill temperatures and fixed the drone

power window problems - there is an issue with the power windows where the bushings that hold the window to the regulator is this cheap brittle plastic that fails fairly quickly. Doug Shelby Engineering sells metal replacements for $150 or so that will fix this issue. My window started making rattling noises before the mod, after the mod the noise is gone.

Rear window defroster - on some cars the rear window wasnt installed with a gap between the CF decklid and the defroster element. CF is conductive so it would draw power and heat up the glass until it shattered. So just look at the rear glass mainly around the silvery heating element and make sure theres a gap of about 2 credit cards thick.

[JPL]

Thanks ForTeh, good info, the two that are "in play" are both '14 base SRT Vipers......

[Bruce H.]

How you plan to use the car will determine it's suitability and which model would suit you best.

I wanted a car that would be dead reliable for frequent road course use and long road trips to distant tracks. I chose a TA model for it's enhancements for track use, and specifically for it's top iron brakes, 5 mode stability control and comfortable and supportive seats. The biggest surprise was how comfortable it's been for my wife and I on those long trips lasting up to 13 days and totalling 35,000 miles, and how inexpensive the consumables have been. The TA features were available as both a model package and option package on other models from 2014 to 2017.

Absolutely love the car, every time I drive it feels special, outings become an event, it's a bit of a spectacle often times when you pull up, and it's been a great ownership experience overall.

Good luck with your search!

Bruce

[JPL]

How you plan to use the car will determine it's suitability and which model would suit you best.

I wanted a car that would be dead reliable for frequent road course use and long road trips to distant tracks. I chose a TA model for it's enhancements for track use, and specifically for it's top iron brakes, 5 mode stability control and comfortable and supportive seats. The biggest surprise was how comfortable it's been for my wife and I on those long trips lasting up to 13 days and totalling 35,000 miles, and how inexpensive the consumables have been. The TA features were available as both a model package and option package on other models from 2014 to 2017.

Absolutely love the car, every time I drive it feels special, outings become an event, it's a bit of a spectacle often times when you pull up, and it's been a great ownership experience overall.

Good luck with your search!

Bruce

Thanks Bruce, just like the other Viper and the Ferrari, mainly a cruiser, car show, weekender, maybe a track day, nothing too hardcore.......One thing I forgot to ask was depreciation.....how are the prices? Have they hit bottom? On the way down or up or stabilized?

[SRT_BluByU]

How you plan to use the car will determine it's suitability and which model would suit you best.

I wanted a car that would be dead reliable for frequent road course use and long road trips to distant tracks. I chose a TA model for it's enhancements for track use, and specifically for it's top iron brakes, 5 mode stability control and comfortable and supportive seats. The biggest surprise was how comfortable it's been for my wife and I on those long trips lasting up to 13 days and totalling 35,000 miles, and how inexpensive the consumables have been. The TA features were available as both a model package and option package on other models from 2014 to 2017.

Absolutely love the car, every time I drive it feels special, outings become an event, it's a bit of a spectacle often times when you pull up, and it's been a great ownership experience overall.

Good luck with your search!

Bruce


I agree with Bruce.. I daily Drive my TA and its been great! So Far I have over 40k daily driven miles on my past two Gen V vipers and they have been great. I have no problems with cabin heat, sill heat, AC on even the most humid southern summer days. 100* in bumper to bumper no problem... If you elect to pull the trigger find the Viper that speaks to you/what you want and get it! There are so many models and variations that there are very few vipers that are identical; never mind different models (the 1 of 1 program was great). The more open minded you can be to colors, options, etc the quicker your find the one.

[Neoex]

Went from a Gallardo(06) to a Viper Gen5(13). Gen5 is a complete car I have nothing bad to say about it, the only annoying thing is the trunk pop(you have to be pulling up on it when you hit the release button). All the nice things to have huge screen/bluetooth/GREAT stereo//cruise control. The transmission is excellent, short throw. and at the end of the day its not even close once you mash the gas. My car passed all the bulletins and now has warranty to a 2023(this was the reason I went with it over a similar priced 14)

[pMak26]

genV > 360

And you won't be out $12k every 15k miles/3 years for a timing belt service, which means you won't mind actually driving it.

[JPL]

Went from a Gallardo(06) to a Viper Gen5(13). Gen5 is a complete car I have nothing bad to say about it, the only annoying thing is the trunk pop(you have to be pulling up on it when you hit the release button). All the nice things to have huge screen/bluetooth/GREAT stereo//cruise control. The transmission is excellent, short throw. and at the end of the day its not even close once you mash the gas. My car passed all the bulletins and now has warranty to a 2023(this was the reason I went with it over a similar priced 14)

Funny I was actually considering a Gallardo....not close enough in $$ for a trade......looking back, you still make that move?


genV > 360

And you won't be out $12k every 15k miles/3 years for a timing belt service, which means you won't mind actually driving it.

Maybe that's the $$ at a dealer, but with an independent it's under $3000, (and it's recommended 3-5 years):

https://www.ricambiamerica.com/collections/major-30k-service-kits/360-30k-service-kit-performance.html

[Neoex]

Funny I was actually considering a Gallardo....not close enough in $$ for a trade......looking back, you still make that move?



Maybe that's the $$ at a dealer, but with an independent it's under $3000, (and it's recommended 3-5 years):

https://www.ricambiamerica.com/collections/major-30k-service-kits/360-30k-service-kit-performance.html


I bought my Gallardo for 117k, had it 3 years sold it for 108k. So I didnt get slammed on depreciation. It was a great car, I never had to do anything but oil changes. It got considerably MORE attention than the Viper, but it was more of a "pain" to drive. lurchy transmission, stereo sucked, no cruise, it was definitely more of a weekend car. A viper could easily by a daily driver. I sold my Gallardo then when the need for speed glitch hit 2 years later I got the viper. I didnt go from one directly to the other.. Once I get my fiance through school (approx 13 months). I will be in the market for a 2010+ Gallardo with UGR TT. Or possibly a hurracan TT. I am a junkie for straight line acceleration more so than the corners.


TBH I dont think the viper gets enough credit for how great of a car it is. Everytime I drive it I just think damn this is a beautiful, very well put together/built car. Its just not the header turner that a lambo is, (at least in Oklahoma)

[SRT_BluByU]

BTW: thats one of the best looking 360's I've seen outside of a CS.

[JPL]

BTW: thats one of the best looking 360's I've seen outside of a CS.

Thanks! That’s why I’m not 100% :)

[dewilmoth]

Thanks! That’s why I’m not 100% :)

Rosso Fiorano? That’s the color my 360 was, I absolutely loved it. The 360 is a fantastic car, hopefully someday I’ll grab a CS.

The 360 and Gen V are very different cars, so it’s hard to even draw comparisons. The CS is one of the few cars I’d consider selling my ACR for.

[dewilmoth]

genV > 360

And you won't be out $12k every 15k miles/3 years for a timing belt service, which means you won't mind actually driving it.

You clearly have zero Ferrari 360 experience.

[JPL]

Rosso Fiorano? That’s the color my 360 was, I absolutely loved it. The 360 is a fantastic car, hopefully someday I’ll grab a CS.

The 360 and Gen V are very different cars, so it’s hard to even draw comparisons. The CS is one of the few cars I’d consider selling my ACR for.

Yup Rosso Fiorano, my favorite on that car!


You clearly have zero Ferrari 360 experience.

& it's not an engine out service on these models......

[JPL]

One thing I forgot to ask was depreciation.....how are the prices? Have they hit bottom? On the way down or up or stabilized?

[Policy Limits]

The snake will be much less maintenance costs than that F car. I too went from a Gallardo to a Gen V. I've owned both the first & last model years of the generation. First year was buggy as would be expected. Last model year had the most improvements. Get an ACR Extreme and covet a piece of Super Car history.

[ForTehNguyen]

Thanks ForTeh, good info, the two that are "in play" are both '14 base SRT Vipers......

I would try to find a GTS laguna if you can, the GTS laguna package was 22k over the base when new but on the used market maybe 7k.


One thing I forgot to ask was depreciation.....how are the prices? Have they hit bottom? On the way down or up or stabilized?

They look like they bottomed out to me, but since I bought mine last year its getting a bit tougher to find the good examples

Theres no real maintenance other than any normal car, change the oil etc. Tires seem to last a while on this car surprisingly

[SRT_BluByU]

the only annoying thing is the trunk pop(you have to be pulling up on it when you hit the release button).

SRT/Dodge fixed that design for the '16 and '17 model years.. when you hit the hatch button it pops up without having to pull on it. I believe you can go to the parts counter and buy the two spins loaded pieces for very few dollars and retrofit any Gen V

[ssjcreeper]

A good friend of mine occasionally gets his 360 out to play. It's certainly a great car, but for me the Gen V was definitely the right choice. As others have said, fantastic car. After the first drive, I knew I made the right call. Expectations exceeded.

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[pMak26]

You clearly have zero Ferrari 360 experience.

Have driven nearly every Ferrari both on and off racetracks and am a former Ferrari tech...

Just not a 360 fan, CS not included. I tend to think nearly every other Ferrari is better than the 360. Everyone has an opinion, and that is perfectly fine, but I think a GenV is better than a 360 in every single way.

[Policy Limits]

I think the ridiculous belt wear issues with respect to the prancing horse were substantially improved by the F430. Then 458 took it to a different level with dual clutch. I still see more Ferraris on the road than I do Vipers. Exclusivity rules.

[ViperDC]

youll have to kick in some $$$ for a Gen V

[JPL]

youll have to kick in some $$$ for a Gen V

https://www.hagerty.com/apps/valuationtools/2000-Ferrari-360
oh, and don't forget the value adjustment at the bottom. :)

[ViperPete]

I have loved my car since the day I bought it. It doesn't have the "status" a Ferrari has but it beats it in every other measurable way.

[JPL]

Hmmmm....'14 GenV SRT base or a '08 ACR........or keep it.....ARGH! LOL!

[SRT_BluByU]

Drive both and then decide... the right car will speak to you.

[Bruce H.]

Thanks Bruce, just like the other Viper and the Ferrari, mainly a cruiser, car show, weekender, maybe a track day, nothing too hardcore.......One thing I forgot to ask was depreciation.....how are the prices? Have they hit bottom? On the way down or up or stabilized?

Your 360 is absolutely drop dead gorgeous. For your stated uses I would think it's the perfect car. You know the car, and if you've got somebody you trust to do maintenance, and if the car still suits you, the only reason I can imagine selling it would be because you're just needing a new car fix. The Gen 5 Viper appealed to me because of its performance and durability on the race track, new car warranty and predicted high resale value, and I love its styling, but for cruising and all other aspects of sports car ownership I think the mid engine 360 pushes all the right buttons. Definitely looks like a keeper to me.

[swexlin]

A friend of mine has a '99 360, with that beautiful gated shifter. It's a well-sorted, reliable car. Sure, by today's standards, it's not the fastest car out there, but it ain't slow either.

At 275 lb ft for the 360, you'll be in for a pleasant surprise when getting into the Gen 5 - or any Viper, as they are torque machines.

It's really comparing apples to avocados here.

[Policy Limits]

Keep the Ferrari & add the Snake. Wholesale value on the 360 is low and you'll probably regret trading.

[JPL]

Your 360 is absolutely drop dead gorgeous. For your stated uses I would think it's the perfect car. You know the car, and if you've got somebody you trust to do maintenance, and if the car still suits you, the only reason I can imagine selling it would be because you're just needing a new car fix. The Gen 5 Viper appealed to me because of its performance and durability on the race track, new car warranty and predicted high resale value, and I love its styling, but for cruising and all other aspects of sports car ownership I think the mid engine 360 pushes all the right buttons. Definitely looks like a keeper to me.

Yeah, it's a tough call, but I don't want to hold onto it too long and miss out on other cars I want, after 4.5 years I still miss my gen1, can't imagine an 08 ACR or a GenV....


Keep the Ferrari & add the Snake. Wholesale value on the 360 is low and you'll probably regret trading.

Not that low on a manual six speed......as posted before, (and don't forget to look at the "Value Adjustment" at the bottom):

https://www.hagerty.com/apps/valuationtools/2000-Ferrari-360

[dewilmoth]

Yeah, it's a tough call, but I don't want to hold onto it too long and miss out on other cars I want, after 4.5 years I still miss my gen1, can't imagine an 08 ACR or a GenV....



Not that low on a manual six speed......as posted before, (and don't forget to look at the "Value Adjustment" at the bottom):

https://www.hagerty.com/apps/valuationtools/2000-Ferrari-360

The 6 speed definitely helps, but +$50k is dreaming. I’m guessing $80k.

[Jprince]

the only annoying thing is the trunk pop(you have to be pulling up on it when you hit the release button).

On my 2014 GTS, I can hit the button and come up with in a second or 2 and it lets me lift it right up. I don't have to be lifting while pushing the button. It does not have the pop up pieces installed. It's like the switch stays activated for a couple of seconds.

[sadil]

Quite frankly this is the least of your concerns with a GenV. There are a host of other issues that have been discussed in detail on this forum. Luckily most of the concerns are taken care of with warranty and there are solutions (aftermarket at times) to all of the problems. The car itself is a pleasure to drive. The noise is subjective but the drive and the feel is amazing. Everything about the car is unique and with the right spec, you will feel like you are getting into a 1of1 car every time.


the only annoying thing is the trunk pop(you have to be pulling up on it when you hit the release button).

On my 2014 GTS, I can hit the button and come up with in a second or 2 and it lets me lift it right up. I don't have to be lifting while pushing the button. It does not have the pop up pieces installed. It's like the switch stays activated for a couple of seconds.

[JPL]

Thanks guys, all great stuff here, not an easy decision, but right when I made up my mind on the idea that if I trade it will be for a GenV, this beautiful '08 ACR comes into the picture, damn it! LOL! So now it's not only Ferrari or '14-'15 SRT GenV, but it's Ferrari or GenV or '08 ACR.....and even though I love the idea of keeping the Ferrari and just adding a Viper, I'm not there. So back to the scenarios in my head, I think with the ACR slightly edging out the GenV today, tomorrow....who knows, another week or two and I should know who will have a permanent home, maybe :) but thanks again guys....love this stuff.

[TheStig]

Do it (Ben Stiller Starsky and Hutch)

[Matt Dillon]

So, What ever Happened? Been 2 months now! :)

[USAFPILOT]

I always thought the 360 looked like a Chick’s car, especially once the 430 came out. Get the Gen V, you’ll love driving it.

[chris_lee]

Went from a Gallardo(06) to a Viper Gen5(13). Gen5 is a complete car I have nothing bad to say about it, the only annoying thing is the trunk pop(you have to be pulling up on it when you hit the release button). All the nice things to have huge screen/bluetooth/GREAT stereo//cruise control. The transmission is excellent, short throw. and at the end of the day its not even close once you mash the gas. My car passed all the bulletins and now has warranty to a 2023(this was the reason I went with it over a similar priced 14)

Do the trunk spring mod that was included on later ones. It was the best $50 I've spent on the car. Such a simple little thing that makes a really big difference. No idea what they were thinking with that.

Prices have been holding for low mile cars for over a year "when I started looking". Honestly, I just don't think there are enough of these cars around for the prices to do anything crazy. I would say we are looking at a EXTREMELY slow depreciation "even with miles on the cars". This is also a sweet spot in time for these cars. You can still get what is basically a new car "new car smell" and low miles for a price that is in my opinion is a bargain. As time goes, those examples will be harder and harder to find.
Most importantly, the car is INSANELY fun to drive.

[JPL]

So, What ever Happened? Been 2 months now! :)

Maybe a GenIV ACR.....developing.......the trade thing didn't work, had to sell it outright.......so unless someone has a great deal on a '14-'15 which I couldn't find I think I'm dropping the hammer.

[SharpMan]

I had a 2001 360 Modena Manual and I regret selling it but I can't keep them all...

It's a wonderful car. I actually bought an F430 Manual and sold it because I didn't enjoy it as much as the 360. My 360 had the Tubi and she was a loud and raucous ride. Just scintillating to drive. Brilliant steering, plenty fast, surprisingly comfortable.

An ideal junction between the over-refined (IMO) modern Ferraris and the temperamental and fragile vintage stuff.

I do appreciate the peace of mind that the ACR affords me. Has warranty and is relatively inexpensive to maintain and repair.

[stradman]

I love my CS(my second in fact!) Totally different to a Viper. Apples to Oranges really. Both great cars

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[dewilmoth]

I love my CS(my second in fact!) Totally different to a Viper. Apples to Oranges really. Both great cars

34705

Beauty! Black, no stripe has to be rare. The CS is a grail car for me, and I’ll definitely own one at some point when I can have multiple fun cars. I considered selling my ACR for one, but just can’t bring myself to do it at this point.

[SharpMan]

Stripes on these are stickers and are removable. Painted on Scud.

EDIT: I forgot they are clear coated over so not easily removed. Corrected by post below.

[IHOP]

I love my CS(my second in fact!) Totally different to a Viper. Apples to Oranges really. Both great cars

34705

This doesn't surprise me one bit, you have some great cars!

[dewilmoth]

Stripes on these are stickers and are removable. Painted on Scud.

That is not correct.

Edit: Guess I should expand. There is a clear coat over the factory stripes on the CS. They cannot be simply peeled off. A no-stripe car is likely a factory no-stripe car unless it has been repainted.

[stradman]

That is not correct.

Edit: Guess I should expand. There is a clear coat over the factory stripes on the CS. They cannot be simply peeled off. A no-stripe car is likely a factory no-stripe car unless it has been repainted.

This is correct.

[SharpMan]

That is not correct.

Edit: Guess I should expand. There is a clear coat over the factory stripes on the CS. They cannot be simply peeled off. A no-stripe car is likely a factory no-stripe car unless it has been repainted.

Oh yes...forgot about that. Will amend post.

[Fulltilt]

Why do you guys prefer the 360 over a 430 Ferrari?

[SharpMan]

Why do you guys prefer the 360 over a 430 Ferrari?

360 was more vibrant....430 is very, very smooth and refined by comparison or at least that was the case with the two I had. I also happen to prefer the styling. I think it was how it was meant to look whereas the 430 is an update of the fundamental proportions / silhouette.

360 always struck me as s modern car to drive but with some of the charisma of a classic.

That said, the F430 manual is a beautiful machine. Not was I wanted but undeniably smooth, fast, neutral and beautiful. Most people would give their left nut for one but I prefer my ACR.

[Fulltilt]

Thanks for the response. My Father has a 430 6spd Spyder I have driven a few times but I've never been in a 360. I'll admit, I have seen a few 360's lately and the styling has grown on me.

[dewilmoth]

I’ve owned a 360 and driven a F430. They are both slow by today’s standards, but styling and personality go the the 360 for me. I still love the F430, but I think the 360 is the car to have long term, especially the CS.