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BJG32
06-23-2018, 10:01 AM
I've been experimenting with getting them down. I've been able to get them within 4 degrees of ambient and 8 degrees once heat soaked while cruising.
Couple of thoughts and observations:
Insulating the outside of the MAF sensors helps a lot! Will take pics of my set up later. I strategically insulated the sh*t out of everything with 3/4", 1/2" and 1/4"dynamat....90% of it is not visible.
For roll racing where you dont need constant braking i am beating if you reroute the vents used to cool front breaks to blow on the outside of the MAF sensors you can greatly reduce IAT while rolling. I have not tried yet...
I plan on filling the bottom of the air box ice to see what that does while the car idles as a possible drag race remedy. Before any suggest dry ice it "melts" directly into CO2 which would hurt hp. Water would drip into the DSE heat shield (heat shield drain holes plugged) so you wouldn't be leaving water all over the strip.
Any thoughts?
kriskyk
06-23-2018, 10:08 AM
I would think these kinds of products would fair way better then dynamat https://www.heatshieldproducts.com/automotive
With dry ice you still may encounter issues with condensation also CO2 is a combustion inhibitor?
Get a WON Nitrous system and never look back?
Their name is different but their tech is pretty interesting https://www.noswizard.com/
BJG32
06-23-2018, 10:26 AM
Good thoughts...if you reread my post we agree on dryice concerns.
Posted about meth kits here and didn't get a response. Was also curious about the DEI CryO2 system.
Just seeing what i can do by myself first...
BJG32
06-23-2018, 10:28 AM
By the way...those heat sheilds you posted are for radiant heat. Wont help much...or more than dynamat.
BJG32
06-23-2018, 06:11 PM
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Tweaked a few things. Pic is of heat soaked engine highway cruising. 80 ambient 84 IAT. IAT Fluctuated between 84 to 86 during 40 minute drive.
BJG32
06-24-2018, 09:46 AM
Done.... in case anyone cares about getting a little more out of the car without voiding the warranty.
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-MAFs insulated with custm aluminum/dyanamat/ carbon boxes.
-DSE heatshield insulated on all sides (carbon fiber over exposed sides for looks). Foil heat tape on back of bottom part of DSE that faces headers.
-Bottom of air box insulated
-Bottom and back of airbox lid insulated
-Smooth tubes insulated and covered in carbon fiber for looks
-1/2 "Dynamat on hood presses on all air components insulating the top of them.
Heat soaked car runs +4 to +6 over ambient while cruising.
Whitey
06-24-2018, 11:02 PM
Great job Ben. They look great.
CNU_Physics
06-25-2018, 07:53 AM
Those two bolts sticking up in the center don't ding your hood when the engine torques?
BJG32
06-25-2018, 08:58 AM
Thanks Mike!
Those two bolts sticking up in the center don't ding your hood when the engine torques?
They do not...but there is not other choice but to aim them up because of the DSE heat shield....
parabs
06-25-2018, 09:56 AM
Done.... in case anyone cares about getting a little more out of the car without voiding the warranty.
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-MAFs insulated with custm aluminum/dyanamat/ carbon boxes.
-DSE heatshield insulated on all sides (carbon fiber over exposed sides for looks). Heat shield on back of bottom part
-Bottom of air box insulated
-Bottom and back of airbox lid insulated
-Smooth tubes insulated and covered in carbon fiber for looks
-1/2 Dynamat on hood presses on all air components insulating the top of them.
Heat soaked car runs +4 to +6 over ambient while cruising.
Are you selling this setup?
CNU_Physics
06-25-2018, 12:34 PM
Thanks Mike!
They do not...but there is not other choice but to aim them up because of the DSE heat shield....
Could always cut them if they were too close.
BJG32
06-25-2018, 08:13 PM
Could always cut them if they were too close.
You actually need almost the full length of the bolt when loosening/installing. I could cut down, but id never be able to reinstall without new hose clamps...
BJG32
06-25-2018, 08:18 PM
Ok final pics... i made an exterior aluminum frame and powder coated it. Makes it stronger for removing and cleans up the look a bit.
I am not selling these, but just throwing the idea out there for anyone who wants to DIY.
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Your DIY is pretty awesome! A bunch of us track guys can use all the help we can get, especially here in AZ. Great info and killer work!
BJG32
06-27-2018, 12:49 AM
Your DIY is pretty awesome! A bunch of us track guys can use all the help we can get, especially here in AZ. Great info and killer work!
Thanks...if you don't care about looks as much as performance you can replicate (or better) my results with a large layer of dynamat over the MAF sensors and the other areas mentioned above. The thicker the insulation over the MAF sensors the better...leave no sides of it exposed. Insulate every area that your Intake air travels through as thick as you can...
Ok final pics... i made an exterior aluminum frame and powder coated it. Makes it stronger for removing and cleans up the look a bit.
I am not selling these, but just throwing the idea out there for anyone who wants to DIY.
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33237
First off, awesome.
Second, can you give any more detail on the materials? Like where you sourced it or item/part numbers?
Great function with killer looks, very, very impressive. Thx for sharing.
ViperGeorge
06-27-2018, 02:27 PM
You actually need almost the full length of the bolt when loosening/installing. I could cut down, but id never be able to reinstall without new hose clamps...
The whole setup looks totally awesome. One thing, could you turn the clamps so the bolts are horizontal on top of tubes? That actually might look better than having four chimneys sticking up.
SirHiss
06-27-2018, 02:30 PM
love this look and fuctionality to boot! Following for part numbers and details
BJG32
06-28-2018, 10:24 PM
Thanks everyone. Most of it I fabricated myself so there is no part numbers to direct you too.
JobB sells the smooth tubes for $179....I have a contact is selling the same for around $79 if you want a set....not a sponsor so can't post.
Obviously got the DSE Heatshield from Doug Shelby.
I used 3 different thicknesses of dynamat, aluminum sheet metal, Aluminum angle iron, heat tape (for bottom rear facing part of DSE heat shield), and I made a paper thin sheet carbon fiber to wrap around parts and hide "the ugly"...
BJG32
07-01-2018, 04:22 PM
Was able to add more insulation inbtween and under the smooth tubes. Additional 1 more layer to the hood. It now presses against the top of everything. I didn't notice better performance than my numbers above though.
Also shaved down the bolts to allow the hood dynomat to seal over smooth tubes
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Topplayer
04-28-2019, 10:50 AM
wish someone would make heat shielding like that for the sensors, Makes a lot of sense in my eyes!
Jack B
04-28-2019, 11:54 AM
wish someone would make heat shielding like that for the sensors, Makes a lot of sense in my eyes!
Contact Doug at DSE, possible new product
Contact Doug at DSE, possible new product
+1 Doug is the man
BJG32
04-28-2019, 06:27 PM
Yep. DSE is the company for mass production of a solution.
Jack....I assume cool-aid is dead?
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