Final Gen V Production numbers

[CarDude]

Looking to see what kind of information is available. I’ve asked In other places but for some reason no one knows, or is holding out for some strange reason. I’d love to know if there are any other Vipers in my color combo, any year, any style. ACR-E Y’orange with gun metal stripes.

Thanks

[ViperPete]

I'm sure ViperJeff will chime in soon.

[commandomatt]

No info on the Gen V numbers but your color combo sounds awesome. The Black stripes are common and such a hard contrast on Orange but Gunmetal just works and I cant imagine there are many of them out there

Post pics if you got them

[ACRSNK]

There are a couple members on here that love to talk about the fact that they know all the production numbers, etc..., but they also love to tell people, childish though it may be, that they will not share the information with the forum. If you find anything, please post the info. Y'Orange with gunmetal stripes is sick!!!

[PkB2014]

There are a couple members on here that love to talk about the fact that they know all the production numbers, etc..., but they also love to tell people, childish though it may be, that they will not share the information with the forum. If you find anything, please post the info. Y'Orange with gunmetal stripes is sick!!!

I think they were told not to talk about it on the forum. But search viper registry on the internets and it’s easy enough to find.

[CarDude]

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[CarDude]

I think they were told not to talk about it on the forum. But search viper registry on the internets and it’s easy enough to find.

Told by whom, to not talk about it? There are only numbers of units and “special” units on the so called registry. Why would someone hold back data? Do they know they are withholding it from individuals...not some entity. Has the Viper community leadership become so petty, and if so, no wonder there is no new Viper.

[ForTehNguyen]

id like to know how many race yellows in 13-14 there were, and ones with GTS stripes

[Scott_in_fl]

No info on the Gen V numbers but your color combo sounds awesome. The Black stripes are common and such a hard contrast on Orange but Gunmetal just works and I cant imagine there are many of them out there

Post pics if you got them

Agree that the gunmetal stripes was absolutely the right call. Car looks great!!!

[John N]

id like to know how many race yellows in 13-14 there were, and ones with GTS stripes

2014 numbers from ViperJeff's spreadsheet:
73 total cars in Race Yellow, 51 GTS and 21 SRT trim, one listed as model 22 in the spreadsheet (whatever that is)
31 of the GTS' with black stripes, 1 with white stripes, 4 with gunmetal stripes, and 15 with no stripes
11 of the SRT's with black stripes, 4 with gunmetal stripes, and 6 with no stripes

I only downloaded the 2014 sheet way back when, will go look at the 2013 numbers tonight if time allows.

[PkB2014]

Told by whom, to not talk about it? There are only numbers of units and “special” units on the so called registry. Why would someone hold back data? Do they know they are withholding it from individuals...not some entity. Has the Viper community leadership become so petty, and if so, no wonder there is no new Viper.

If you click on the years it breaks down into color/stripe combos. It looks like 2017 is only partially completed so it could be some time before that is updated. I don't know what happened or why, but I remember a brief explanation somewhere a while back. I understand if he doesn't want to rehash it every few weeks when someone asks the same production questions again. Internet and forum searches seem to work fine, I even look at the monthly sales figures for Vipers every month or so. FYI, 2 sold in the USA and 1 in Canada for April!

[ForTehNguyen]

I only downloaded the 2014 sheet way back when, will go look at the 2013 numbers tonight if time allows.

thanks a bunch!

[Fulltilt]

The registry shows they made a Competition Blue and Competition Blue Pearl. Did Dodge make both colors? My car is a 2015 Viper GT Competition Blue Pearl w/Gun Metal GTS stripes according to my reproduction window sticker. The Viper Registry shows my car is 1 of 1, wouldn't that make it a GTC?

My understanding is, Dodge made a SRT, GTS, GTC, GT, TA1, TA2, ACR, and ACR-E. GTC cars were part of the 1 of 1 program? I thought SRT models were the base cars, but then the GT's came out and they became the base car but you could order almost any option you want on a GT? Am I the only one that is confused? I understand the TA1-ACR-E cars. In the end you could build a GTC into an ACR or ACR-E but it was technically not a real ACR. I'm not starting a value war again, I'm just curious if someone could clarify the SRT/GTS/GT/GTC differences. What's the difference between a GT and a GTC?

[Fulltilt]

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[Fulltilt]

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[ViperSRT]

There were 4 models per se. SRT, GTS, ACR and GTC. GTC are 1 of 1 and could be ordered with TA (1 or 2) group or package, ACR package or no package. TA 1 or 2 are a package option for SRT models and had minimal options available. ACR was a unique model but also had minimal options available. In the end if you wanted creature comforts like a GTS but wanted performance of a TA or ACR then a GTC would be the ticket, and is what more than half of ACR and TA buyers did in 2016 and 2017. I don’t think calling them fake (i.e. not real) is a reality as most if not all had a MSRP higher than the SRT or ACR comparable would have had, with more luxury options.

[PkB2014]

The registry shows they made a Competition Blue and Competition Blue Pearl. Did Dodge make both colors?



Some of the color names are confusing, they may have just changed the name. Example the GTS-R Blue is really just Dodge's "normal" True Blue Pearl, but we get a special name for Vipers even though it confuses people because there is a GTS Blue.

[Luisv]

2014 numbers from ViperJeff's spreadsheet:
73 total cars in Race Yellow, 51 GTS and 21 SRT trim, one listed as model 22 in the spreadsheet (whatever that is)
31 of the GTS' with black stripes, 1 with white stripes, 4 with gunmetal stripes, and 15 with no stripes
11 of the SRT's with black stripes, 4 with gunmetal stripes, and 6 with no stripes

I only downloaded the 2014 sheet way back when, will go look at the 2013 numbers tonight if time allows.

When you say your going to look is that on the Viper Registry? I don’t know if ViperJeff is populating this or if it is someplace else. I too have a race yellow but a 2013. I was not able to discern how many GTS with black stripes. I’d love to have this info for this. Good to know if I’m one of 40 or 50 cars.

[Scott_in_fl]

...I understand the TA1-ACR-E cars. In the end you could build a GTC into an ACR or ACR-E but it was technically not a real ACR.

Not accurate about GTC ACR's not being a real ACR. First, nearly all of the final year SE cars were GTC cars that FCA built with ACR-E packages (i.e. the 1:28, GTS-R, SSG, VooDooII). I can assure you that FCA considers those cars to be ACRs. Second, FCA is the one that affixed the "ACR" decal on the sides of all the GTC cars, not the owners. Third, this is not the same argument that the "real TA" guys make (which has some relevance).

In 2014 FCA made a limited number of cars that it called TA's (33 in white, 33 in black, and 93 orange). Thereafter, it made the TA options available if anyone wanted to order them. When people talk about looking for and/or purchasing a "TA", they are most likely referring to one of those 159 cars from 2014.

Now, the reason that argument does not apply to ACR's is because the ACR was never limited or numbered. It showed up in 2016 and was sold simply as another model, just like GTS or SRT. In fact, just like SRT, it was limited by the options that could be added to it. Nobody is going around saying that GTC's are not real SRT's, even though that seems to be your argument.

All of that said, I would buy into your argument if the 2016 ACR had been a limited, numbered car (like the 2014 TA's). Then you would have an argument that GTC cars optioned as ACR's are not really part of the numbered group of cars. They would still be properly called ACR's (again, because FCA clearly considers them so as evidenced by the fender badge affixed to the cars by FCA), they just would not be part of the numbered group (which would have been a consideration for values in the future). But that is not the case.

[John N]

Following up with 2013 Race Yellow numbers.

Total build = 62, 41 in GTS trim and 21 in SRT
No Stripe = 34, 19 in GTS and 15 in SRT
Billet Silver stripe = 2, 1 each in GTS and SRT trim
Black stripe = 26, 20 in GTS and 6 in SRT
Gunmetal stripe = 1 in GTS

sourced from IVR

[ForTehNguyen]

thank you again. I noticed they lumped GTS and fang stripes together under the single color, so would be less than 20 GTS with GTS stripes. There is a guy in town with a yellow SRT black fang stripes so at worst hes 1 of 6

[ACRSNK]

What’s with all the secrecy revolving around Gen V production numbers? I don’t get it. Seems like you need to work for the CIA in order to get the intel needed to figure out the numbers. Funniest part of the whole thing is the people coming on here only to say they know certain facts and figures , but then won’t share the same with other members. Love that!

[Ludington1]

Not accurate about GTC ACR's not being a real ACR. First, nearly all of the final year SE cars were GTC cars that FCA built with ACR-E packages (i.e. the 1:28, GTS-R, SSG, VooDooII). I can assure you that FCA considers those cars to be ACRs. Second, FCA is the one that affixed the "ACR" decal on the sides of all the GTC cars, not the owners. Third, this is not the same argument that the "real TA" guys make (which has some relevance).

In 2014 FCA made a limited number of cars that it called TA's (33 in white, 33 in black, and 93 orange). Thereafter, it made the TA options available if anyone wanted to order them. When people talk about looking for and/or purchasing a "TA", they are most likely referring to one of those 159 cars from 2014.

Now, the reason that argument does not apply to ACR's is because the ACR was never limited or numbered. It showed up in 2016 and was sold simply as another model, just like GTS or SRT. In fact, just like SRT, it was limited by the options that could be added to it. Nobody is going around saying that GTC's are not real SRT's, even though that seems to be your argument.

All of that said, I would buy into your argument if the 2016 ACR had been a limited, numbered car (like the 2014 TA's). Then you would have an argument that GTC cars optioned as ACR's are not really part of the numbered group of cars. They would still be properly called ACR's (again, because FCA clearly considers them so as evidenced by the fender badge affixed to the cars by FCA), they just would not be part of the numbered group (which would have been a consideration for values in the future). But that is not the case.

What’s your story on the ACR and GTC cars having different VINs? It is going to be a long weekend and I need some reading material.

Darren

[ViperJeff]

Disclaimer:

There is no secret to the Gen V production numbers. They are clearly out there for everyone, it just takes a little time and effort to pull it together.

Note: I had come to an agreement to either share in a different way or not at all. Because my work was elsewhere, I agreed to not at all. There’s no conspiracy or withholding data from anyone, I just stopped posting links to data as agreed.

Jeff

[Steve M]

What’s with all the secrecy revolving around Gen V production numbers? I don’t get it. Seems like you need to work for the CIA in order to get the intel needed to figure out the numbers. Funniest part of the whole thing is the people coming on here only to say they know certain facts and figures , but then won’t share the same with other members. Love that!

This is your answer:


Disclaimer:

There is no secret to the Gen V production numbers. They are clearly out there for everyone, it just takes a little time and effort to pull it together.

Note: I had come to an agreement to either share in a different way or not at all. Because my work was elsewhere, I agreed to not at all. There’s no conspiracy or withholding data from anyone, I just stopped posting links to data as agreed.

Jeff

Or to put it more bluntly: it's because the information is hosted through the Viper Club of America, which means you have to go to that website to find it. And apparently that isn't kosher with the powers that be in the Viper Owner's Association. It's petty BS, plain and simple.

[ViperJeff]

To be fair:

Complaints had been made about the way I posted, from my understanding, it wasn’t always just about the data.

“If” I would have been a “Member” it wouldn’t have been an issue. I know I’m being vague and doing so with intent. Don’t need or want to rehash a dead issue and I’m sure that is true on both sides. It is what it is

Make it a better day and may the numbers always be in your favor
Humbly
Vj

[Policy Limits]

Not accurate about GTC ACR's not being a real ACR. First, nearly all of the final year SE cars were GTC cars that FCA built with ACR-E packages (i.e. the 1:28, GTS-R, SSG, VooDooII). I can assure you that FCA considers those cars to be ACRs. Second, FCA is the one that affixed the "ACR" decal on the sides of all the GTC cars, not the owners. Third, this is not the same argument that the "real TA" guys make (which has some relevance).

In 2014 FCA made a limited number of cars that it called TA's (33 in white, 33 in black, and 93 orange). Thereafter, it made the TA options available if anyone wanted to order them. When people talk about looking for and/or purchasing a "TA", they are most likely referring to one of those 159 cars from 2014.

Now, the reason that argument does not apply to ACR's is because the ACR was never limited or numbered. It showed up in 2016 and was sold simply as another model, just like GTS or SRT. In fact, just like SRT, it was limited by the options that could be added to it. Nobody is going around saying that GTC's are not real SRT's, even though that seems to be your argument.

All of that said, I would buy into your argument if the 2016 ACR had been a limited, numbered car (like the 2014 TA's). Then you would have an argument that GTC cars optioned as ACR's are not really part of the numbered group of cars. They would still be properly called ACR's (again, because FCA clearly considers them so as evidenced by the fender badge affixed to the cars by FCA), they just would not be part of the numbered group (which would have been a consideration for values in the future). But that is not the case.

Nailed it

[PkB2014]

Nailed it

Sort of, but not really. There is only one "true" ACR if you go by VIN only. The GTC could be anything though. I usually call any GTC VIN car with the appropriate options (TA1, TA2, GTS, Anodized Carbon, ACR, ACR-E, Special Editions, etc.) whatever the option says, so GTC-TA1, GTC-TA2, GTC-ACR-E. I know the SCCA will classify them by the options as well. But, others will argue over it forever. I can't wait to see the auctions in 30 years and see how things shake out. Will base ACR VIN cars go for more in the future than any of the GTC ACRs? Hmmm...that would be interesting.

[OTHER SNAKE OWNER]

Sort of, but not really. There is only one "true" ACR if you go by VIN only. The GTC could be anything though. I usually call any GTC VIN car with the appropriate options (TA1, TA2, GTS, Anodized Carbon, ACR, ACR-E, Special Editions, etc.) whatever the option says, so GTC-TA1, GTC-TA2, GTC-ACR-E. I know the SCCA will classify them by the options as well. But, others will argue over it forever. I can't wait to see the auctions in 30 years and see how things shake out. Will base ACR VIN cars go for more in the future than any of the GTC ACRs? Hmmm...that would be interesting.

Also, aren't the GTC's titled as GTC's and ACR's are titled as ACR's?

[Martin]

Also, aren't the GTC's titled as GTC's and ACR's are titled as ACR's?

That is true. It was a nice surprise when I went to get insurance, and when they asked for the model, told them it was a Viper ACR. They gave me a number, which wasn't terrible, but when I told them the VIN, they came back and said "Oh, that's actually coming up as a GTC and not an ACR, so your premium is this...". It was a few hundred less a year, and they assured me that I had the same coverage. Really weird, but I'll take it....

[Scott_in_fl]

PkB2014 and Other Snake Owner, I think you've identified a difference without a distinction based on an assumption that FCA intended that there be a "real" ACR.

I don't believe that to be the case and I don't believe you'll ever find any evidence supporting such a theory. Again, FCA clearly refers to the SE cars as ACR's. So they absolutely do not distinguish what is, and what is not, a "real" ACR. Thus, their intent behind the different VIN's must be related to something else (perhaps ease of queing production), but I cannot imagine what that is or why it would be relevant here. If we ever learn the story (which is unlikely), then maybe there's some small chance that it's meaningful to values, but I doubt it. I think you're going to find out that it just made sense to do it that way to organize the build process for a car with limited options as opposed to the GTC which had 8,000 custom color choices and endless options.

But let us also keep in mind that historically, all of this is probably irrelevant. I'm not aware of collectors valuing cars for VIN numbers (unless you have 000001 or some other special VIN). Rather, they are valuing cars first and foremost for their rarity, and second because they are somehow positively impactful or noteworthy within a sector.

History has shown us that the most collectible sports cars were unusual models that were higher performing or specially optioned with items unavailable in other models; often assembled by hand or off the general assembly line; and often produced by a large OEM with an established reputation for performance.

Of course, it is gravy if the model is genuinely hand built by an OEM that would not be able to do that for other models; if there are literally 1, 2, 10, or even 100 that were ever built in similar configurations/colors; and if the model gains widespread recognition or appreciation for being historically important, especially cherished, or highly desired.

Look at everything from GT350's to Superbirds, to the original Zora Duntov Z06's, the FGT to Carrera GT's, the 918, etc., etc. -- they all share those qualities of being very rare, and very special. Why should we expect any GTC ACR to be excluded from the same treatment merely because of its VIN?

Your argument might have had some strength if there were 10,000 GTC ACR's built and only 200 ACR VIN's built. Then, one could have argued that the ACR was really the limited model in comparison. Plus, there would be soooo much more supply in the future of the one vs. the other, which would certainly impact values. But that also is not the case. The total number of all Gen V ACR's ever built in 2016 and 2017 is truly de minimus.

[Ludington1]

Look at everything from GT350's to Superbirds, to the original Zora Duntov Z06's, the FGT to Carrera GT's, the 918, etc., etc. -- they all share those qualities of being very rare, and very special. Why should we expect any GTC ACR to be excluded from the same treatment merely because of its VIN?


The difference between a 1970 Road Runner and Superbird is one character in the VIN.

Darren

[ACRSNK]

The difference between a 1970 Road Runner and Superbird is one character in the VIN.

Darren

And a few other things.

[Vipes]

Not accurate about GTC ACR's not being a real ACR. First, nearly all of the final year SE cars were GTC cars that FCA built with ACR-E packages (i.e. the 1:28, GTS-R, SSG, VooDooII). I can assure you that FCA considers those cars to be ACRs. Second, FCA is the one that affixed the "ACR" decal on the sides of all the GTC cars, not the owners. Third, this is not the same argument that the "real TA" guys make (which has some relevance).

In 2014 FCA made a limited number of cars that it called TA's (33 in white, 33 in black, and 93 orange). Thereafter, it made the TA options available if anyone wanted to order them. When people talk about looking for and/or purchasing a "TA", they are most likely referring to one of those 159 cars from 2014.

All of that said, I would buy into your argument if the 2016 ACR had been a limited, numbered car (like the 2014 TA's). Then you would have an argument that GTC cars optioned as ACR's are not really part of the numbered group of cars. They would still be properly called ACR's (again, because FCA clearly considers them so as evidenced by the fender badge affixed to the cars by FCA), they just would not be part of the numbered group (which would have been a consideration for values in the future). But that is not the case.

The TA’s after 2014 were numbered also. As far as TA1’s, most refer to a 2014 when they mention a TA because very few people even know about the 9 TA 1.0’s produced after 2014.

[SRT_BluByU]

look it makes no differnce.. it comes down to what your car is option like. GTC is just a custom acr, gts, srt or ta on how its optioned. they can all be optioned the exact same. the gtc just signifies that it is custom 1 of 1.

ta numbered cars were limited and numbered in the year they were produced only.. acr’s werent numbered at all. if a dash plaque has a huge impact on your wallet maybe you should consider joining the corvette waxer community. ;P

[Vipes]

look it makes no differnce.. it comes down to what your car is option like. GTC is just a custom acr, gts, srt or ta on how its optioned. they can all be optioned the exact same. the gtc just signifies that it is custom 1 of 1.

ta numbered cars were limited and numbered in the year they were produced only.. acr’s werent numbered at all. if a dash plaque has a huge impact on your wallet maybe you should consider joining the corvette waxer community. ;P

I wasn’t even refering to ACR’s. I agree with the FCA’s stance here and they made it really simple for us all. You and a few others are over thinking this. The designation of the car is what the FCA slapped on the side still, period.

Look man, your car is awesome, it’s a sweet color, has most of the TA bits and none us care what you call it until you go to sell it, then you cross the false advertising line if you’re claiming it’s a special edition (TA) when it’s not. We should all spend more time enjoying these cars instead of worrying about value trying to save it for the next dude.

[09redviper]

What’s is the total number for gen v ? Including all models srt ,gts , acr ..etc
???

[ViperJeff]

3913

[Steve-Indy]

Thanks, Jeff !!

[Whiskey]

Wow I didn't realize they avg only 782/yr.

[LI Venom]

Reviving an older thread...
Any idea how many Billet Silver Metallic GTS were produced? No stripes. SRT hood.

[Lawineer]

An interesting figure would be how many are left/ left with a clean title.

Between wrecked cars and those converted to pure race cars, I wonder how many street cars are left.