Stage 1 Arrow controller idle speed

[ayousef]

Hi guys,

For those who have the stage 1 Arrow controller on their Gen V's, I was wondering if idle speed is increased since my car idles at 1000rpms with the controller, makes me hope I dont have the stage 2 controller installed accidentally?

Thanks

[Vette2Viper]

I don’t believe mine is that high. I’ll check tomorrow when I take the car out.

[esm_viper]

I've never driven my car without it, as it was installed before I picked up my car. My car did idle around 1000 rpm until I think around 750 miles or so and then went down. I have no idea if that's normal, I never asked about it.

[cubeman]

I idle below 1000rpm, my current issue is im throwing idle air codes and hoping its just related to the cold weather.

[Reaper]

Idle speed with the Arrow PCM should be around 750 rpm. When you start the car cold or warm, its 750 rpm. Not like it was stock when it would idle 1000 rpm and idle down once it was warmed up. How long have you had the PCM?

[Scot@Prefix]

The factory computer has a program in it that idles the car higher to a certain mileage and then it changes to a lower RPM.
I am not sure the mileage or the RPM off the top of my head.
The stage 1 controller retains the same feature.

[IHOP]

The factory computer has a program in it that idles the car higher to a certain mileage and then it changes to a lower RPM.
I am not sure the mileage or the RPM off the top of my head.
The stage 1 controller retains the same feature.

What are the differences between the stage 1 and stage 2 controller?

[Jack B]

Stage 2 is for the heads and cam engines

[IHOP]

Stage 2 is for the heads and cam engines

Thanks Jack!

[ayousef]

Thanks all for the replies. For some very odd reason I posted a second detailed reply to this thread but I cant find my post anymore, so here goes once again.

I did end up finding out that the car will idle high at about 1000rpms while still during the break in period as a procedure thats part of the break in. I never suspected this because I have never seen another car do this before. So while my main fear was that I got the H/C Arrow controller installed on my bolt-on car by mistake, the true reason for asking was because my car also has the Nthmoto RPS Triple disk clutch which introduced a very stiff pedal feel and made the car pretty hard to drive contrary to what ive been reading about it online.

Now, Im pretty sure this isnt an anomaly on my car alone because I did rock this exact same clutch back in 2013 on my 1200hp Camaro ZL1 with a Whipple 4.0 and a 427. It was even worse back then on the Camaro, possibly due to having a lighter flywheel, however overall feel of the pedal was very similar. The issue im facing with the Viper is once the revs drop to say 500rpms, the car has a VERY hard time recovering and would rather stall instead which confuses me since I would expect the large 8.4l V10 to have loads of reserve torque even at such a low RPM. Every other car (GM) that I drove with the TR6060 didnt have this problem, and I owned 5 cars that had this particular transmission.

I made a few of my car enthusiast friends try out the clutch to make sure its not me being a whiny little baby about it, and they all freaked out.

Any info or suggestions would be greatly appreciated :)

Regards,
Mohamad.

[Jack B]

Thanks all for the replies. For some very odd reason I posted a second detailed reply to this thread but I cant find my post anymore, so here goes once again.

I did end up finding out that the car will idle high at about 1000rpms while still during the break in period as a procedure thats part of the break in. I never suspected this because I have never seen another car do this before. So while my main fear was that I got the H/C Arrow controller installed on my bolt-on car by mistake, the true reason for asking was because my car also has the Nthmoto RPS Triple disk clutch which introduced a very stiff pedal feel and made the car pretty hard to drive contrary to what ive been reading about it online.

Now, Im pretty sure this isnt an anomaly on my car alone because I did rock this exact same clutch back in 2013 on my 1200hp Camaro ZL1 with a Whipple 4.0 and a 427. It was even worse back then on the Camaro, possibly due to having a lighter flywheel, however overall feel of the pedal was very similar. The issue im facing with the Viper is once the revs drop to say 500rpms, the car has a VERY hard time recovering and would rather stall instead which confuses me since I would expect the large 8.4l V10 to have loads of reserve torque even at such a low RPM. Every other car (GM) that I drove with the TR6060 didnt have this problem, and I owned 5 cars that had this particular transmission.

I made a few of my car enthusiast friends try out the clutch to make sure its not me being a whiny little baby about it, and they all freaked out.

Any info or suggestions would be greatly appreciated :)

Regards,
Mohamad.

If you are having trouble with the NthMoto clutch, it is eithe:r shimed wrong; the spline is not greased; or the spline/shaft were not lapped in well enough. That clutch is as smooth or smoother than the oem clutch. The pedal pressure is not much different either.

[Arizona Vipers]

Thanks all for the replies. For some very odd reason I posted a second detailed reply to this thread but I cant find my post anymore, so here goes once again.

I did end up finding out that the car will idle high at about 1000rpms while still during the break in period as a procedure thats part of the break in. I never suspected this because I have never seen another car do this before. So while my main fear was that I got the H/C Arrow controller installed on my bolt-on car by mistake, the true reason for asking was because my car also has the Nthmoto RPS Triple disk clutch which introduced a very stiff pedal feel and made the car pretty hard to drive contrary to what ive been reading about it online.

Now, Im pretty sure this isnt an anomaly on my car alone because I did rock this exact same clutch back in 2013 on my 1200hp Camaro ZL1 with a Whipple 4.0 and a 427. It was even worse back then on the Camaro, possibly due to having a lighter flywheel, however overall feel of the pedal was very similar. The issue im facing with the Viper is once the revs drop to say 500rpms, the car has a VERY hard time recovering and would rather stall instead which confuses me since I would expect the large 8.4l V10 to have loads of reserve torque even at such a low RPM. Every other car (GM) that I drove with the TR6060 didnt have this problem, and I owned 5 cars that had this particular transmission.

I made a few of my car enthusiast friends try out the clutch to make sure its not me being a whiny little baby about it, and they all freaked out.

Any info or suggestions would be greatly appreciated :)

Regards,
Mohamad.

I agree with what Jack just said about the Nth moto clutch. Pressure feels the same to me as the stock clutch. Maybe a tad stiffer. It is very smooth.

[ayousef]

Thanks guys, this is what I heard as well but my experience is very different, i really have sore leg muscles now lol not complaining I love this thing and im not done with the mods yet.

[Scot@Prefix]

I agree with Jack they might of not lapped it enough for it to be smooth. Should feel similar with a little extra pressure on the foot, biggest difference is the engagement.
We have turned up the idle on some cars that have the Nth moto clutch that are stock. The reduced rotating mass does have a small affect on low RPM driveability with a stock engine.

[ayousef]

I agree with Jack they might of not lapped it enough for it to be smooth. Should feel similar with a little extra pressure on the foot, biggest difference is the engagement.
We have turned up the idle on some cars that have the Nth moto clutch that are stock. The reduced rotating mass does have a small affect on low RPM driveability with a stock engine.

I wish I could do that with the Arrow controller but im about 8000miles away on the other side of the world, my only option might be HPTuners which im trying to avoid fiddling with for the time being. a 900-ish RPM idle would be nice. I also havent looked but maybe there are some idle airflow tables that could be increased to help push the car off the line incase the engine tries to stall from the light-weight low inertia flywheel.

[Scot@Prefix]

I wish I could do that with the Arrow controller but im about 8000miles away on the other side of the world, my only option might be HPTuners which im trying to avoid fiddling with for the time being. a 900-ish RPM idle would be nice. I also havent looked but maybe there are some idle airflow tables that could be increased to help push the car off the line incase the engine tries to stall from the light-weight low inertia flywheel.

If you have the stage 1 controller just send it to us, and we can flash it and send back.
Put your stock one in while the other one is being flashed.

[FLATOUT]

I agree with Jack they might of not lapped it enough for it to be smooth. Should feel similar with a little extra pressure on the foot, biggest difference is the engagement.
We have turned up the idle on some cars that have the Nth moto clutch that are stock. The reduced rotating mass does have a small affect on low RPM driveability with a stock engine.

Hi Scot,

We installed it, and I can assure you that we have installed as many of those if not more than anyone in the country outside of Aaron at Nth. His pedal was stiffer than most even on the factory clutch prior to the header, and clutch install. I spent a good deal of time on the phone with Prefix helping them learn how to install those clutches after the first one they did.

I also already sent him an email about the idle speed, and the break in process.

[FLATOUT]

If you have the stage 1 controller just send it to us, and we can flash it and send back.
Put your stock one in while the other one is being flashed.

It's just brand new and has probably less than 100 miles on it.

[FLATOUT]

I wish I could do that with the Arrow controller but im about 8000miles away on the other side of the world, my only option might be HPTuners which im trying to avoid fiddling with for the time being. a 900-ish RPM idle would be nice. I also havent looked but maybe there are some idle airflow tables that could be increased to help push the car off the line incase the engine tries to stall from the light-weight low inertia flywheel.

We run these clutches all the time, they are as good/better than the OEM unit. Your idle will come down a little but will still be higher than a stock Viper.

[FLATOUT]

I agree with what Jack just said about the Nth moto clutch. Pressure feels the same to me as the stock clutch. Maybe a tad stiffer. It is very smooth.

His factory clutch pedal feel was on the stiff side when compared to most, Nth felt the same as his factory unit in terms of pedal pressure.