Heat shields for American Racing Headers

[Arizona Vipers]

Does anyone make heat shields for the ARH headers?


Thanks!

[texasram]

Shields for the headers or surrounding components? theres coatings for headers but never seen a shield like you see on a factory kia manifold. Calvo has a heat shield for the fuse box, and everyone uses dei tape on everything else.

[Arizona Vipers]

Shields for the headers or surrounding components? theres coatings for headers but never seen a shield like you see on a factory kia manifold. Calvo has a heat shield for the fuse box, and everyone uses dei tape on everything else.

Yeah, shields for the actual headers, like the factory ones. Coatings help a tad, but not much. When I come off track my coated headers were always over 1000 degrees using a laser probe. Sometimes as high as 1400*. Not really any different than if they were uncoated I'm guessing. When I had my motor out I wrapped my entire wiring harness, end to end.

[ClayR]

I ceramic coated mine and then wrapped them in titanium heat wrap and it worked well. Didn't track the car but it helped a lot. I also has catless exhaust which helped.

[kriskyk]

http://headershield.com

[Terminator02]

I ceramic coated mine and then wrapped them in titanium heat wrap and it worked well. Didn't track the car but it helped a lot. I also has catless exhaust which helped.

My question is I understand the heatshield for the fusebox but wouldnt the purpose of the coatings work to maintain heat inside rather than disperse out as a function needed? I have no engineering or conductivity knowledge so I am interested in understanding this.

[Arizona Vipers]

My question is I understand the heatshield for the fusebox but wouldnt the purpose of the coatings work to maintain heat inside rather than disperse out as a function needed? I have no engineering or conductivity knowledge so I am interested in understanding this.

The idea of coatings and/or wrap is for the heat to escape out the exhaust out of the car instead of the engine compartment

[Arizona Vipers]

http://headershield.com

Very cool, looks like a good product.

[Terminator02]

The idea of coatings and/or wrap is for the heat to escape out the exhaust out of the car instead of the engine compartment

I need to look into that. I am catless but have HC so this seems logical. Thanks!

[Dan Cragin]

Advanced Thermal Products (ATP) can make some slick inconel exhaust covers. Speak to Tim.

[Steve M]

Advanced Thermal Products (ATP) can make some slick inconel exhaust covers. Speak to Tim.


http://headershield.com

Does anyone have a ballpark price for either of these products? Coatings help, but not enough IMO.

[Space Truckin]

Does anyone have a ballpark price for either of these products? Coatings help, but not enough IMO.

I called ATP and was told $3-$5K....:United_States:

[ACR]

Iconnel is very costly metal

[stradman]

What are you trying to protect? ? I have wrapped the crap out of everything around the headers including plug leads etc. Never had a problem and everything looks good still. even with a dedicated track car. Have coated Belangers headers

[Jack B]

Yeah, shields for the actual headers, like the factory ones. Coatings help a tad, but not much. When I come off track my coated headers were always over 1000 degrees using a laser probe. Sometimes as high as 1400*. Not really any different than if they were uncoated I'm guessing. When I had my motor out I wrapped my entire wiring harness, end to end.

were they coated inside also?

[Arizona Vipers]

Advanced Thermal Products (ATP) can make some slick inconel exhaust covers. Speak to Tim.

Can you install them without removing the headers? That would be awesome.

[Arizona Vipers]

were they coated inside also?

Yeah. Even with coated headers I completely melted the fuse box. It looked like somebody took a blowtorch to it. Not to mention ruining more than one wiring harness.

[TrackAire]

I agree with Arizona Viper....coatings are not going to help protect sensitive items near the heat. They do keep the headers looking great and I had my 2009 ACR-X headers done by Jet Hot in 2010 and they look like they did the day we installed them. I went with black color which probably helps.

You need to either wrap and or a heat shield with an air gap to protect sensitive items......just look at what the OEM manufacturers do. If ceramic coatings really worked, you don't think they'd have every exhaust manifold coated? A heat shield with an air gap works great because once the car is moving the air flow helps remove the heat.....otherwise it would turn into a convection oven and everything would get super hot regardless of how much something is wrapped or shielded.

[SilveRT8]

I'm having Belanger headers w/ HF cats installed by a good Viper Tech. When talking about heat protection, he suggested to use some factory manifold heatshields from a Gen3 Viper wich he will bend to fit over the Belangers. Says it's not very pretty but it's effective. JonB at partsrack found me a set of used ones for $100. Should get the car back in a week or two with some other mods done, I'll post a pic when possible.

[Whitey]

I agree with Arizona Viper....coatings are not going to help protect sensitive items near the heat. They do keep the headers looking great and I had my 2009 ACR-X headers done by Jet Hot in 2010 and they look like they did the day we installed them. I went with black color which probably helps.

You need to either wrap and or a heat shield with an air gap to protect sensitive items......just look at what the OEM manufacturers do. If ceramic coatings really worked, you don't think they'd have every exhaust manifold coated? A heat shield with an air gap works great because once the car is moving the air flow helps remove the heat.....otherwise it would turn into a convection oven and everything would get super hot regardless of how much something is wrapped or shielded.

Good thoughts here. Doing one thing "only" is not going to lower temperature and I agree on the concept of air gap is going to help. Arguably, the most help. Air gap, coatings, thermal protection (i.e. shields, wraps, etc...) is the best way to approach this (i.e. at a systems level). There was a thread that died awhile ago about mani mittens. There is a reason why (temperature reduction) these are being used on TT applications. Insulating turbos can be seen frequently in street applications. A phone call to Calvo with potential renewed interest levels (i.e. ARH and Belanger) could bring this product to the market.

https://driveviper.com/forums/threads/12226-Manifold-Mittens!

[dewilmoth]

http://headershield.com

Anyone end up using these on their Viper?

[ViperGeorge]

http://headershield.com

I've looked at their website and this stuff seems like it would be a really good solution. They do say under "How much does it cost?" to look at their example pricing but I couldn't find it anywhere on their site. Has anyone tried this on headers for a Viper or any other car? If so, how much did it run? Also some of the header bolts are already tough to tighten on the Viper, does the additional thickness make this even harder?

Honestly my bad experiences with headers on my 2015 TA 2.0 (too much heat and too many things melting) led me to decide I would never put them on another Viper. Maybe this stuff would change my mind. Besides the heat damage from headers - Fuse Box, O2 wires, EVAP line, main wire harness, etc. - I believe they increase underhood temps enough to raise temps of the engine by ambient heat and by heat transferred to coolant lines, coolant tank, and oil cooler lines. What is the point of headers if they raise temps so much that the PCM starts pulling timing and adding fuel? Some power gains from the more efficient exhaust would be negated by the added heat. For reference my TA 2.0 would run at 243 coolant and 265 oil on the track even with everything insulated. My ACR-E runs max at about 220 coolant and 250 oil.

[dewilmoth]

I've looked at their website and this stuff seems like it would be a really good solution. They do say under "How much does it cost?" to look at their example pricing but I couldn't find it anywhere on their site. Has anyone tried this on headers for a Viper or any other car? If so, how much did it run? Also some of the header bolts are already tough to tighten on the Viper, does the additional thickness make this even harder?

Honestly my bad experiences with headers on my 2015 TA 2.0 (too much heat and too many things melting) led me to decide I would never put them on another Viper. Maybe this stuff would change my mind. Besides the heat damage from headers - Fuse Box, O2 wires, EVAP line, main wire harness, etc. - I believe they increase underhood temps enough to raise temps of the engine by ambient heat and by heat transferred to coolant lines, coolant tank, and oil cooler lines. What is the point of headers if they raise temps so much that the PCM starts pulling timing and adding fuel? Some power gains from the more efficient exhaust would be negated by the added heat. For reference my TA 2.0 would run at 243 coolant and 265 oil on the track even with everything insulated. My ACR-E runs max at about 220 coolant and 250 oil.

I agree with your sentiment on heat, and would only swap to aftermarket headers if I felt it was an OEM quality solution.

[cubeman]

Removed Cats from the ARH Highflows and wrapped the cats with exhaust wrap. Also put O2 sensor/Spark plug socks on the O2 sensors Greatly reduced temps. I've got Calvo's fuse box shield as well.

[labtec]

I have the full Belanger header (coated)/exhaust system on 04 and have not had any problems except a few wires by fuse box showed first signs of melting after a few years. I wrapped them with heat reflective tape and so far all else ok. Car has probably 25K miles with the setup. I asked Belanger when purchased and they said factory shields were not needed and not to use. My car is not tracked.

[FLATOUT]

I Cerakoted mine, and went through our standard heat wrapping/taping process and have not had any issues what so ever. That being said I know that Arizona Viper spends a LOT of time on track which would make me want to take an additional step or two.

[dewilmoth]

I Cerakoted mine, and went through our standard heat wrapping/taping process and have not had any issues what so ever. That being said I know that Arizona Viper spends a LOT of time on track which would make me want to take an additional step or two.

Did you wrap your wires and/or use any heat shields too, or only the coating and wrap on the headers?

[ViperGeorge]

I have the full Belanger header (coated)/exhaust system on 04 and have not had any problems except a few wires by fuse box showed first signs of melting after a few years. I wrapped them with heat reflective tape and so far all else ok. Car has probably 25K miles with the setup. I asked Belanger when purchased and they said factory shields were not needed and not to use. My car is not tracked.

Gen 3 and 4s have more space under hood so I don't think the headers are quite as close to stuff as they are in a Gen 5. I had them on my 09 and with the exception of burning the rear O2 wires no problems.

[ViperGeorge]

See this link to their quote page. http://headershield.com/quote-request/

Does anyone have a set of ARH headers lying around that they could photograph and take measurements of? I'd love to get a quote on this header shield before I sunk the money into a set of headers. I'll submit the quote request if someone would send me the pics and the measurements. That way you won't get any annoying marketing emails from them.

Thanks.

[dewilmoth]

See this link to their quote page. http://headershield.com/quote-request/

Does anyone have a set of ARH headers lying around that they could photograph and take measurements of? I'd love to get a quote on this header shield before I sunk the money into a set of headers. I'll submit the quote request if someone would send me the pics and the measurements. That way you won't get any annoying marketing emails from them.

Thanks.

Great idea. I tried to get a quote last week but they wouldn’t even give me a rough idea without pics.

[ViperGeorge]

Great idea. I tried to get a quote last week but they wouldn’t even give me a rough idea without pics.

What about Flatout or JonB, someone must have a set lying around they can photograph and measure? Guys??

[ViperGeorge]

What about Flatout or JonB, someone must have a set lying around they can photograph and measure? Guys??

Bump.

[Camfab]

Why not call ARH directly and have them give you the specs and pics

[ViperGeorge]

Why not call ARH directly and have them give you the specs and pics

That my friend is a very good idea. I will try it.

[Jack B]

A general observation from running both Belangers and ARH on a G5. For starters, both were coated.

1. The ARH dramatically reduced the overall heat.

2. However, the ARH headers do run closer to the frame, therefore, closer to anything mounted on inner panels.

3. It is very difficult to shield the pass side motor mount with ARH.

4. With either header it is fairly simple to use the sticky back radiant barrier to protect the fuse box area.

[dewilmoth]

A general observation from running both Belangers and ARH on a G5. For starters, both were coated.

1. The ARH dramatically reduced the overall heat.

2. However, the ARH headers do run closer to the frame, therefore, closer to anything mounted on inner panels.

3. It is very difficult to shield the pass side motor mount with ARH.

4. With either header it is fairly simple to use the sticky back radiant barrier to protect the fuse box area.


So, you think the heat shields mentioned above that would be attached to the headers themselves would likely not fit in a Gen V?

[Jack B]

So, you think the heat shields mentioned above that would be attached to the headers themselves would likely not fit in a Gen V?

The drivers side is tight, especially with ARH, from cylinder 5 back the frame is very close, this means anything attached to the frame is closer. On the pass side, I do not use the sticky back insulation, that side is primarily hoses, I just use the radiant sleeves that seal with velcro.

[dewilmoth]

I'd be willing to bet Headershield is using a Zircotec product. This looks like the same stuff.

https://www.zircotec.com/zircoflex-form/

But I'm wondering if Zircotec coating would be the best option. If they use it in F1, it can't be junk.

[WDW MKR]

Anyone ever get a quote on the HeaderShield product?