Flood Viper on ebay

[VenomSnake]

Have you guys seen the red flood damage Viper in ebay? I wonder what that thing is worth. Did someone on here own it? I can’t imagine taking a risk with that car. I bet things can get expensive in a hurry if you run into any electrical problems...

[SRT_BluByU]

Link? I might know the previous owner..

[daveg]

I bet things can get expensive in a hurry if you run into any electrical problems...Depends on how bad it was "flooded"...

[VenomSnake]

https://www.ebay.com/itm/2014-Dodge-Viper-VIPER-GTS-640HP-600TQ-NO-RESERVE/162829533389?hash=item25e96580cd:g:biwAAOSwPAxaSS-W&vxp=mtr

[Policy Limits]

Great parts car / track beater.

[Voice of Reason]

Wasn’t this car discussed on here after the Houston flood?

[serpent]

Car has 58k miles, that guy must have been a member here.

IMO, this would be a perfect track car, if the entire powertrain is 100%.

[Mbccenter]

He is a member here so will let him chime in. Sounds like it died on him after but someone must have got it running again.

[Vipes]

You don't see no reserves Vipers on eBay too often with a low starting price. This will be interesting to watch. I think it's a great buy for somebody looking to get into a Gen V with a low budget. It's a gamble but could pay off if the car ends up being reliable.

[Steve-Indy]

I suppose there could be more than one flood damaged red Gen V from Houston.

There was a lengthy thread on a 2013 with no reported resolution discussed here:
https://driveviper.com/forums/threads/threads/19535-My-viper-partially-flooded

The owner got good offers of assistance, but in my opinion, he appeared to stall on a plan of action...possibly hoping for the best. Maybe it worked out for him.

[SRT_BluByU]

Link? I might know the previous owner..

i believe i know this car and the original owner. if im correct this car was based in savannah, ga and got flooded from Irma. the car was the owners daily driver and i believe has the arrow PCM. I dont recall him ever tracking it. great guy loved the car and came to many shows/meets with it.

[Fatboy 18]

i believe i know this car and the original owner. if im correct this car was based in savannah, ga and got flooded from Irma. the car was the owners daily driver and i believe has the arrow PCM. I dont recall him ever tracking it. great guy loved the car and came to many shows/meets with it.

Any idea how deep the flood water was?

[SRT_BluByU]

Any idea how deep the flood water was?

ill try and find out more details from him. im not sure if he’s a member here or not. i’ll check.

[ACRSNK]

Why take a chance on a flood car? How much could you get for a non flooded 58K mile 2014 Viper?

[Fatboy 18]

ill try and find out more details from him. im not sure if he’s a member here or not. i’ll check.

Thanks

[RedTanRT/10]

Why take a chance on a flood car? How much could you get for a non flooded 58K mile 2014 Viper?

My thoughts exactly ^^^^^. This is a $50-$55k retail Viper with that many miles, then take off 20-30% for a Flood Salvage title.

No telling where the waterline was but high enough for the owners insurance company to Total it.

To get it right there's probably another $5k plus in parts and labor. High bid is already $40k with 5 days to go, ask the ultimate buyer in a year and I'll bet he'll tell you he made a big financial mistake!

[Scott_in_fl]

I'll assume that the car is dried out by now. And, if it is running as great as represented, then it seems that it may have been dried out quickly enough and survived the flood just fine.

Electronics are the biggest concern, but if you dry out your cell phone after dropping it in the toilet and it works fine thereafter, you're in the clear.

[SRT_BluByU]

well know what its worth soon enough,... theses cars are getting pricer by the day. they arent making anymore thats for sure and this could be great for someone to get in a viper who wants to roll the dice..

[BlueAdder]

if you dry out your cell phone after dropping it in the toilet and it works fine thereafter, you're in the clear.

That sounds wrong on so many levels :smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol:
I agree though, if the car is all dried up and does runs, it should be fine. My only concern would be rust that would develop where it's not supposed too.

[SRT_BluByU]

If its fresh water would it be any different than rain??

[1of1TA1.0]

Flood water isn't pure water, fresh or salt. You never know what was in the water, any flood I have been in and/or around was pretty nasty. Electronics when dried out does not mean you won't have a problem later. That is the whole reason the insurance company pays out, electrolysis can take it's toll at any point in the future. I believe that this car is going to high but you can't blame the owner who's selling it. I would only buy it for a track car but there is always someone.

[99RT10]

Why take a chance on a flood car? How much could you get for a non flooded 58K mile 2014 Viper?

$43K, My guess

[dfp031]

That is my old car. Flooded in my garage. Nasty, muddy water mid way up the door.

[ViperDC]

$43K, My guess

yeah 43-46.

at $40k this car is already too expensive, IMO

[SRT_BluByU]

That is my old car. Flooded in my garage. Nasty, muddy water mid way up the door.

there ya have it! ;)

[RedTanRT/10]

I'll assume that the car is dried out by now. And, if it is running as great as represented, then it seems that it may have been dried out quickly enough and survived the flood just fine.

Electronics are the biggest concern, but if you dry out your cell phone after dropping it in the toilet and it works fine thereafter, you're in the clear.

Hey Scott, not picking on you but anyone buying a flood car for this kind of money needs to be experienced in flood cars.

This car was declared a total on 9/11/17, lot's of time to dry out!!! He says, "No signs of sitting water anywhere???" I'd hope so after 90 days!! Running as great as represented?? You read the description from the seller??? "Runs and Drives Great. No Problems. Everything works". OK, you'd buy an expensive car on line with that assurance???

Comparing dropping a cell phone in water and it working, to having the airbags work 2-3 years down the road isn't the same.

He says, "I don't have any background on what happened." Take a look at the picture below, I'd bet the waterline was marked when he bought it.

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[Slithr]

Flood water isn't pure water, fresh or salt. You never know what was in the water, any flood I have been in and/or around was pretty nasty. Electronics when dried out does not mean you won't have a problem later. That is the whole reason the insurance company pays out, electrolysis can take it's toll at any point in the future. I believe that this car is going to high but you can't blame the owner who's selling it. I would only buy it for a track car but there is always someone.

Exactly right Tim, flood water is nasty! Don't ask me how I know.

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[1of1TA1.0]

Feel bad for both you and Belinda, I love the replacement though Alan!

[AZTVR]

I like the cell phone/toilet analogy. Especially in places with sewers and septic tanks or perhaps dairy or chicken farms. Does water "way up the doors" preclude it from ending up in the engine? I know that there is no way that I would ever buy a car that had been any kind of flood.

[Fatboy 18]

Interior under dash electronics are the thing that concern me most, I sure you can drain an engine out but ripping out the whole interior would be a concern, also if the water made it into the gauges and message centre. Personally I would want to disassemble the whole car, wash everything off with detergent WD40 all electrical connectors, drain and refill all fluids. Not a job for the faint hearted. Just looking at the two cars above is the reality check! :(

[Fatboy 18]

Exactly right Tim, flood water is nasty! Don't ask me how I know.

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That must have been heartbreaking :(

[JimJoeBob]

That is my old car. Flooded in my garage. Nasty, muddy water mid way up the door.

Ouch! You think anything may screw over the future buyer?

[Mbccenter]

It just sold at auction at the end of last week. I don't think they took anything apart. Just flipping it as is.

[SRT_BluByU]

i would think its a gamble either way..

[dfp031]

Definitely gonna cost. Electronic issues. Lost both key fobs in the flood so had it towed to Dodge to program a new fob. Barely started and then starter died. Airbag, seatbelt, driver's power seat electronics shot. Rust/mud under seats.

[Slithr]

That must have been heartbreaking :(

Thanks Mark, hated to loose them (you can see my last ditch effort of laying in the flood water at 1:00 in the morning trying to jack the ACR up) to no avail. We'd gotten 2' in 2001, then 6.5' in 2017 total loss ... no more, going to knock the house down with a bull dozer.
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The bright side being the new 2017 ACR-E Laguna Seca 1:28 edition, time to update my signature. (Thanks Tim)

[commandomatt]

Exactly right Tim, flood water is nasty! Don't ask me how I know.

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This is one of the worst pictures of Vipers I have ever seen. I cant image the feeling when opening that garage door. I know cars can be replaced, yet this is not necessarily always true when it comes to Vipers. So many rare color combos and unique builds

That said...you sure got a nice ACR-E to soften the blow

[Fatboy 18]

Wow! Is the plan to build a new home 8ft off the ground? Was your home covered for flood damage?

[Slithr]

This is one of the worst pictures of Vipers I have ever seen. I cant image the feeling when opening that garage door. I know cars can be replaced, yet this is not necessarily always true when it comes to Vipers. So many rare color combos and unique builds

That said...you sure got a nice ACR-E to soften the blow

Thanks Matt, It was a sickening feeling ... my neighbor (from a canoe) said they floated until the BCM started to short and open doors/windows. I knew they were toast prior to ever getting back to the house (3 days). We are loving the new toy though, thank God for ACR Steve and agreed value insurance! Also, I should thank Bernie Katz for the great deal!


Wow! Is the plan to build a new home 8ft off the ground? Was your home covered for flood damage? Yes, flood insurance maxed out due to prior experience (350k, 250k structure, 100k contents), the 3k premium was painful though (less painful now). The plan is to add a 2-4' pad, then build 10' above that (park cars, and outdoor kitchen/patio under home).

[Mark1107]

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This guy takes the cake.... bid is already up to 45k. Over priced...

[Arizona Vipers]

Car has 58k miles, that guy must have been a member here.

IMO, this would be a perfect track car, if the entire powertrain is 100%.

I disagree. This will end up going in the 50's and the warranty is expired. For a track car, you blow the motor and that's $25K+. Spend $10K more and get a car under warranty, that's the ideal track car IMO. That's why my ACR is bone stock.

[serpent]

I disagree. This will end up going in the 50's and the warranty is expired. For a track car, you blow the motor and that's $25K+. Spend $10K more and get a car under warranty, that's the ideal track car IMO. That's why my ACR is bone stock.
Did you at least remove the secondary cats on the ACR?

[Dman]

This may end up being a testament to the gen5s value. Climbing thru the $40s and plenty time left, on a 4 year old flood salvage listed with no details and unknown history and no warranty. That’s strong IMO.

[Mbccenter]

It is already to much money... There is no one who has gone threw the car yet and it has very high miles. I would have no issue if someone took the whole car apart and fixed everything 1st but this is just crazy money. Might be able to buy a low mile clean title by the time you are done fixing everything.

[Fatboy 18]

It is already to much money... There is no one who has gone threw the car yet and it has very high miles. I would have no issue if someone took the whole car apart and fixed everything 1st but this is just crazy money. Might be able to buy a low mile clean title by the time you are done fixing everything.

I agree, the bidding is Automatic bids, so someone threw in a High Price hoping to get it cheap, that has clearly backfired!
I was 1/2 interested in it as we have a Current UK member that would love a Gen V but we only have 1/2 dozen over here and they are all taken and Very expensive.
Im sure he will get one, one day. but not this one.

[AZTVR]

This may end up being a testament to the gen5s value. Climbing thru the $40s and plenty time left, on a 4 year old flood salvage listed with no details and unknown history and no warranty. That’s strong IMO.

Referring to the eBay car, VIN 1c3adebzxev100168
I don't think that it reflects the gen 5's value at all. I think that it probably best represents the naiveté and gullibility of some internet car buyers. I think that they are betting big dollars on these used car salesman statements:
"Clean in and out. Some signs of wear and tear, but consistent with the age and mileage, nothing out of the ordinary. Get in and drive condition. .....No signs of sitting water anywhere, I checked all the common areas. Awesome car, No Reserve. This is a great car, do not miss out on this opportunity. "

They haven't seen the posts in this thread by the original owner.


That is my old car. Flooded in my garage. Nasty, muddy water mid way up the door.

Definitely gonna cost. Electronic issues. Lost both key fobs in the flood so had it towed to Dodge to program a new fob. Barely started and then starter died. Airbag, seatbelt, driver's power seat electronics shot. Rust/mud under seats.

[ViperDC]

I'll assume that the car is dried out by now. And, if it is running as great as represented, then it seems that it may have been dried out quickly enough and survived the flood just fine.

Electronics are the biggest concern, but if you dry out your cell phone after dropping it in the toilet and it works fine thereafter, you're in the clear.

lol jeez dude please dont talk out of your ass

[Scott_in_fl]

lol jeez dude please dont talk out of your ass

Man, you clearly have an issue with anything I post. I just finished responding to you in a thread where we are trying to determine how many ACR-E's were built in 16/17. Maybe you should take some time off from Internet discussion forums.

My point here is that electronics generally go or not immediately when exposed to water. Either a short is created when current is present, or not. The short obviously fries the gear. If you can dry out the circuit board, etc. before any current is introduced, you can often save it. I have plenty of electrical experience to know this is accurate.

Of course, in the automotive context, there are other considerations. Perhaps the biggest concern is trapped moisture that can be the source of other nastiness like rust, mildew, etc. But I specifically qualified my prior comment as assuming that the car was quickly dried out.

Additionally, as others have pointed out, there may be other contaminants that get into the car by "riding along" with the water. Those contaminants can be gross, bacteria-ridden, etc., but that is separate from the issue of whether/how water destroys electrical systems. I agree that other contaminants can be very problematic with an automobile, given all of its various nooks, crannies and other passages that not easily accessed, let alone its interior carpet and fabrics. But, the ad also stated that it runs great (and I'll assume does not smell like a toilet) and we know that the flood condition was many months ago.

By now, the car may be fine (or it could be crap -- only a thorough inspection and partial dismantling would reveal its true condition). Although I would not be a buyer myself, I cannot agree that this car necessarily has zero life left and thus has no value. It could very well enjoy the next 58k miles just as nicely as it enjoyed the first 58k.

[ViperSRT]

Not going to get into the whole he said he said argument. But water intrusion into electronics can be some of the most difficult failures to trace and correct. And they may only surface under specific conditions or after some time. Any flood damaged car is clearly buyer beware.

[ViperDC]

Man, you clearly have an issue with anything I post. I just finished responding to you in a thread where we are trying to determine how many ACR-E's were built in 16/17. Maybe you should take some time off from Internet discussion forums.

My point here is that electronics generally go or not immediately when exposed to water. Either a short is created when current is present, or not. The short obviously fries the gear. If you can dry out the circuit board, etc. before any current is introduced, you can often save it. I have plenty of electrical experience to know this is accurate.

Of course, in the automotive context, there are other considerations. Perhaps the biggest concern is trapped moisture that can be the source of other nastiness like rust, mildew, etc. But I specifically qualified my prior comment as assuming that the car was quickly dried out.

Additionally, as others have pointed out, there may be other contaminants that get into the car by "riding along" with the water. Those contaminants can be gross, bacteria-ridden, etc., but that is separate from the issue of whether/how water destroys electrical systems. I agree that other contaminants can be very problematic with an automobile, given all of its various nooks, crannies and other passages that not easily accessed, let alone its interior carpet and fabrics. But, the ad also stated that it runs great (and I'll assume does not smell like a toilet) and we know that the flood condition was many months ago.

By now, the car may be fine (or it could be crap -- only a thorough inspection and partial dismantling would reveal its true condition). Although I would not be a buyer myself, I cannot agree that this car necessarily has zero life left and thus has no value. It could very well enjoy the next 58k miles just as nicely as it enjoyed the first 58k.

see now that post is good versus:


I'll assume that the car is dried out by now. And, if it is running as great as represented, then it seems that it may have been dried out quickly enough and survived the flood just fine.

Electronics are the biggest concern, but if you dry out your cell phone after dropping it in the toilet and it works fine thereafter, you're in the clear.

"derp its prob dried out by now and if it seems good, you're good! maybe put it in a big bag of rice like your cell phone!"

[ViperTony]

Why are people getting butt hurt over a flood Viper?

[Toxic]

Exactly right Tim, flood water is nasty! Don't ask me how I know.

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My heart still aches for you two, but glad you two are arguing over who drives the replacement.

[Gen3CoupeTX]

Slither, I remember seeing that picture ... Think it was while we were still evacuated ourselves. Our home is in Sienna Plantation, thankfully no flood damage. I just knew we'd come home to a mess, and a flooded Viper. But all was well when we returned - Bone dry. I bought my supercharged '06 Coupe from Bernie. Small world. Enjoy your new beast, sorry about the former ones and your home.

[pMak26]

Winning bid: $48,100

[SRT_BluByU]

the engine, tranmssion and hood alone are worth about that if you look at it as a parts car.. or go through it and replace the electronics from a viper thats a total right off andd ya have a good cheap machine. good luck to the new owner hope they have loads of fun!

[Scott_in_fl]

the engine, tranmssion and hood alone are worth about that if you look at it as a parts car.. or go through it and replace the electronics from a viper thats a total right off andd ya have a good cheap machine. good luck to the new owner hope they have loads of fun!

Valid point. We should get a group together and establish a fund to purchase a few salvage title cars for a future parts source. This car would have been a good one since, as you mention, we could sell off the engine and transmission and recoup much of the cost. That leaves us with a fully outfitted roller that we put on a rack and inventory for the remainder of its parts. It sure would be nice to warehouse a bunch of them as parts cars.

[RedTanRT/10]

the engine, tranmssion and hood alone are worth about that if you look at it as a parts car.. or go through it and replace the electronics from a viper thats a total right off andd ya have a good cheap machine. good luck to the new owner hope they have loads of fun!

A low mileage engine/trans can be bought for $15k or less. (not sure what the market would be for a 50k mile set up??) X2 builders will sell you a new GTS hood for $5k


Valid point. We should get a group together and establish a fund to purchase a few salvage title cars for a future parts source. This car would have been a good one since, as you mention, we could sell off the engine and transmission and recoup much of the cost. That leaves us with a fully outfitted roller that we put on a rack and inventory for the remainder of its parts. It sure would be nice to warehouse a bunch of them as parts cars.

X2 and Don Scharf already established a fund!!

[Fatboy 18]

The winning bidder obviously wanted the car from the outset, looking at the automatic bid history he/she must have put in a very high bid as each time anyone else entered a bit ebay automatically outbid the buyer.

Too much of a risk for us UK guys.

[texasram]

A low mileage engine/trans can be bought for $15k or less. (not sure what the market would be for a 50k mile set up??) X2 builders will sell you a new GTS hood for $5k



X2 and Don Scharf already established a fund!!

They also sell the srt hood for 8 grand

[Slithr]

My heart still aches for you two, but glad you two are arguing over who drives the replacement.

Thanks Mike, and if it weren't for class acts like yourself we'd been homeless or staying with my Mother for months. We can't thank you guys enough for letting us use your 5th wheel for several months until we could get back on our feet. Now camping in the living room of a gutted house .... taking open living to an all new level.

Remember folks, come for the cars stay for the friends! May the who's driving arguments and arm wrestling continue ;)

[Slithr]

Slither, I remember seeing that picture ... Think it was while we were still evacuated ourselves. Our home is in Sienna Plantation, thankfully no flood damage. I just knew we'd come home to a mess, and a flooded Viper. But all was well when we returned - Bone dry. I bought my supercharged '06 Coupe from Bernie. Small world. Enjoy your new beast, sorry about the former ones and your home.

Thanks Gen III, glad to hear you guys dodged a bullet! I hope to meet you at an upcoming Houston event. Bernie is lightening up a bit in his old age (jk), but your right Bernie and the entire crew at VE are good people.

[Terminator02]

Wow just reading this thread. What a trip. People who want a viper and complain "owners do not set price the free market economy does" "sold Vs listed is different" etc when owners defend value, then go to say SOLD cars actually are not indicative of value anymore because it is an ignorant buying population. The car then IS sold for 48k upsetting for some reason the "too much at 40k crowd." Most know the value of parts alone exceeds 40k substantially. Weird how "fans" of the Brand are filled with so much NaCl they just look like trolls instead of enthusiasts. That is until those who can get into the viper of choice now see it become a blue chip.

Scott worry not about viperdc. Looks like you took my place (I am sure I will take it back now). If he disagrees enough with you for whatever reason he will hit your name and stalk posts. Overall comments limited usually to Stan Fan "sick car" " sick color" "lets see pics" or just trashing anyone's post with a sophist snarky elitism and it is usually based on values. I got his flu when i said 1.5 years ago "while I do not think I can get 100k for my viper I also wouldn't let it go for under that." Kinda funny how now I know I get 100k rather quickly.

Sad the viper went but at least the home garage and replacement are set and family health is intact. No wealth without health. I am not handy enough to risk grabbing that ebay car but looks like it went rather seamlessly which is nice to see. Hopefully she gets restored and even recreated with the new owners imagination.

[OneofOneViper]

already re-listed on Craigslist for 55k trying to flip it for a quick buck. That means it went from auction, to eBay, to Craigslist in less than a month with every step of the way trying to scalp a little more out of the buyer.

[SRT_BluByU]

whoever ot is will probably get what theyre asking.. good for them!

[VenomSnake]

Looks like the deal fell through with the original auction. it has been
relisted.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/2014-Dodge-Viper-VIPER-GTS-640HP-600TQ-NO-RESERVE/162843655517?hash=item25ea3cfd5d:g:biwAAOSwPAxaSS-W&vxp=mtr

[ForTehNguyen]

Please do not let your 2 year old bid on the car. Please have funds available before bidding.

lol, yea nice excuse by the flaker

[Terminator02]

Just read the AD. Imo not a strong convincing sales pitch! How many times does he say in some way nice/great/awesome car. "No problems." "No visible water I checked common areas." (So like peaked at the valve covers and leather seats?!). Said "no reserve great car" like 3x in a sentence but acknowledges he has no history of the car. Come on...so lame.

[ViperDC]

Winning bid: $48,100

and must have been a deadbeat buyer (yo im shocked) because its back on ebay


Wow just reading this thread. What a trip. People who want a viper and complain "owners do not set price the free market economy does" "sold Vs listed is different" etc when owners defend value, then go to say SOLD cars actually are not indicative of value anymore because it is an ignorant buying population. The car then IS sold for 48k upsetting for some reason the "too much at 40k crowd." Most know the value of parts alone exceeds 40k substantially. Weird how "fans" of the Brand are filled with so much NaCl they just look like trolls instead of enthusiasts. That is until those who can get into the viper of choice now see it become a blue chip.

Scott worry not about viperdc. Looks like you took my place (I am sure I will take it back now). If he disagrees enough with you for whatever reason he will hit your name and stalk posts. Overall comments limited usually to Stan Fan "sick car" " sick color" "lets see pics" or just trashing anyone's post with a sophist snarky elitism and it is usually based on values. I got his flu when i said 1.5 years ago "while I do not think I can get 100k for my viper I also wouldn't let it go for under that." Kinda funny how now I know I get 100k rather quickly.

Lol thanks for the "education" but now the car didnt sell and is back on ebay. Hot take though. Willing to bet that "winning bidder" was probably a buddy of the guy running the auction. See, you need a little experience with how this stuff works before you go popping off. Also to address your other nonsense, I have owned, raced and sold more Vipers before 35 than you will in your entire life. Honestly I had forgotten all about you but it looks like I've been living rent free in your head this entire time. Weird. Thanks for playin son

[Policy Limits]

ViperDC is off his meds!!!!

[Special Ed]

This soggy car sold again for 45,500. I think it would make a nice track car.