Is the Viper a dying breed

[jjhammer]

I'm specifically thinking of the Gen 3 vipers. I'm only bringing up this topic to get opinions of viper enthusiasts and sort out my internal struggle (not to bash vipers on a viper forum). Besides the awesome side vents, do these cars offer any true value today? I've owned a couple gen 3's and a few C7's. For a comparable price one can get a C7 that's 10+ years newer and with a lot more comforts and safety features. The viper has a cheap looking plastic interior with subpar sound system, is a pain to operate the convertible top, an exhaust that heats up the cabin and a god aweful viper tax on parts. My last '16 vette had an awesome sound system, front and rear cameras, felt faster by the seat of the pants, adjustable exhaust and ride, can lower the car on stock bolts, ventilated seats, etc... As for the performance, it seems like every other car on the road has 500+ hp. Why is it that I want another viper?

[FrgMstr]

I'm specifically thinking of the Gen 3 vipers. I'm only bringing up this topic to get opinions of viper enthusiasts and sort out my internal struggle (not to bash vipers on a viper forum). Besides the awesome side vents, do these cars offer any true value today? I've owned a couple gen 3's and a few C7's. For a comparable price one can get a C7 that's 10+ years newer and with a lot more comforts and safety features. The viper has a cheap looking plastic interior with subpar sound system, is a pain to operate the convertible top, an exhaust that heats up the cabin and a god aweful viper tax on parts. My last '16 vette had an awesome sound system, front and rear cameras, felt faster by the seat of the pants, adjustable exhaust and ride, can lower the car on stock bolts, ventilated seats, etc... As for the performance, it seems like every other car on the road has 500+ hp. Why is it that I want another viper?

Because every other douchebag you see is not driving one?

[Stealth78]

Because every other douchebag you see is not driving one?

I had absolutely no opinion of you before this comment, I suddenly like you!

[RPM9000]

Because every other douchebag you see is not driving one?

I agree!! lol

[Steve M]

The Viper has always appealed to a niche market. I would certainly hope a car with a 10 year technological advantage would have some extra creature comforts, but things like air conditioning for your crotch have also made them heavier, which is not what I want in a performance car. I've always thought of the Corvette as a performance car for the masses, and to be blunt, the masses don't know shit about cars. They want to jump in, push a button, be wowed with a loud exhaust, and then let the nannies manage their lack of experience driving a high horsepower rear wheel drive car so they can show off for their neighbor buddy whose only high performance vehicle is a fully loaded Honda Odyssey.

The Viper doesn't have mass appeal...it never has. But it does make a statement, and that statement starts and ends with a middle finger to the other cars on the road that can only be described as basic transportation. For 99% of people, basic transportation is all that's needed. Some of us appreciate what the Viper is...a blunt instrument that when wielded properly can outperform most anything on the road. It also exposes posers, and is never kind when making that point. Some people don't take kindly to being treated that way, but fear not...there are plenty of Vettes out there for the rest.

[jjhammer]

Because every other douchebag you see is not driving one?

I guess I don’t understand your comment. There’s more corvettes on the road than vipers and are only driven by douchebags? Or are we all douchebags and I just see more of them in corvettes? Or I’m special because I drive a viper and therefore better than those that drive corvettes? Just because there’s fewer of any car on the road doesn’t make it any better. I wanted to see what motivates a viper owner.

[ViperSRT]

Get or keep the Corvette. If the Viper doesn’t drive you, you shouldn’t drive a Viper. From your questions it is clear it doesn’t drive you.

[JimJoeBob]

I guess I don’t understand your comment. There’s more corvettes on the road than vipers and are only driven by douchebags? Or are we all douchebags and I just see more of them in corvettes? Or I’m special because I drive a viper and therefore better than those that drive corvettes? Just because there’s fewer of any car on the road doesn’t make it any better. I wanted to see what motivates a viper owner.

I think want motivates Viper owners is the gripping feel of a car that is incredibly unique. Knowing you're one of very few owners of a great community in a car with a rare V10 engine. Sure Vipers don't have fancy driving aids or touch screens or you're whatnots but you don't need that because the experience is driving a mean looking and feeling car. That's just my .2 though.

[BillyC]

Oh come on guys. A Viper? Instead of a Vet? Seriously? I drove Vets until I saw a new 1995 Viper. I checked it out, and when the hood was opened, I knew I had to have one. Why? Several things. The need for speed. The attention. Very rare to see one. The attention. I say the attention twice because honestly I have found that I get a sense of self worth knowing I, as a high school dropout could drive a car like this. (I think my need for attention is because I was the middle child between two brothers, and got very little attention - LOL) I have owned three Vipers and a SRT-10 truck, and all got more attention than any of then 9 Corvette's I owned. I can drive my city's main drag and have a Vet a few cars ahead of me, and another Vet a few cars behind me. All eyes are on the Viper. The only car I've ever owned that got more attention was a green Lamborghini. For several reasons I got rid of the Lambo recently, and still enjoy my Viper.

[SatinBlueG3]

This point has been made but needs to be reiterated. The Viper is a uniquely exotic car. Just because it's not made in Italy, doesn't mean it's not exotic. These cars are hand built and have limited production numbers compared to Corvettes. Don't get me wrong; I like the Z06 and Grand Sport models but, in my opinion, still don't compare to a Vipers swag. The Viper's bruteness of the car and ageless looks drew me to it. I like that it gets hot, rattles, unforgiven if not respected, and possibly buring your leg when getting out. As others have said, the Viper has to drive you! Nothing wrong with owning a Corvette, but I don't think you can directly compare them to determine which one is better. That is the opinion of the owner!

Good luck

[viperBase1]

Edit: While I was typing SatinBlue posted..

This point has been made but needs to be reiterated. The Viper is a uniquely exotic car. Just because it's not made in Italy, doesn't mean it's not exotic. These cars are hand built and have limited production numbers compared to Corvettes. Don't get me wrong; I like the Z06 and Grand Sport models but, in my opinion, still don't compare to a Vipers swag. The Viper's bruteness of the car and ageless looks drew me to it. I like that it gets hot, rattles, unforgiven if not respected, and possibly buring your leg when getting out. As others have said, the Viper has to drive you! Nothing wrong with owning a Corvette, but I don't think you can directly compare them to determine which one is better. That is the opinion of the owner!
Good luck

IMHO, the premise of the OP's question implies an erroneous comparison.

Compare the Viper to other Exotic Supercars, not a Mass Produced sports car.

Compare the Viper, any Gen.. any year to the Z06..maybe.
But I don't think the Z06 can be called 'Exotic'. (not gonna research those production #'s)

The rest of the 15.85 million Corvettes are NOT in the same league.

<><><> apologies for this small tangent <><><>
True confession here, I just started researching and watching the market for a C6 Corvette (2005 - 2013).
Vaydor LINK (http://vaydorexotics.com/) is working on another body kit for the C6, like this one they did for the Infinity G35.

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It'll be my daily driver! :dude3:

[13COBRA]

Hell, a new Fusion has more creature comforts than my 2008 ACR.... would I trade it for one? No.

[jjhammer]

Thanks for the intelligent responses. I really have a bug to get another car and appreciate your insights. I do enjoy the rawness that the viper provides and the occasional "I told you so" as your friends leg gets burnt provides a lifetime of laughter. I'm only comparing the viper to the vette because I enjoy driving a convertible with similar performances and price point. I'll get flack for this but I don't see the gen 3 as being an exotic car. Not that this matters because I want a great driving experience without attention. With that said, I'd love to get one of those Vaydors.

[Angleiron]

Thanks for the intelligent responses. I really have a bug to get another car and appreciate your insights. I do enjoy the rawness that the viper provides and the occasional "I told you so" as your friends leg gets burnt provides a lifetime of laughter. I'm only comparing the viper to the vette because I enjoy driving a convertible with similar performances and price point. I'll get flack for this but I don't see the gen 3 as being an exotic car. Not that this matters because I want a great driving experience without attention. With that said, I'd love to get one of those Vaydors.

It is not an exotic per se...it is a low volume american made street legal race car. It does not come in different model variations with 6 different motor options which is what always separates it from every other car out there. It is what it is, and that is why I have 2 of them. I too like a vert, but had to get the last of the Gen V coupes and they are both cars that I intend on keeping for a long time.

Back in the day (a long time ago) owning a Vette was kind of a special thing (like 30 years ago) when I owned one. But then they became not that special anymore, and any stroke could own one. Vettes are everywhere...I see them everyday, and unless you know cars you cannot tell one model from the other. The Viper has never had that problem. I am sure Vette's are nice cars, and I have always told people if what you own makes you happy then that is all that matters. I own what I own because it makes me happy, and has nothing to do with anything else.

[13COBRA]

If you want a good driving experience and no extra attention, I'm not sure why a Viper is even on your radar.

[jjhammer]

Yeah, I was the kid with Lambo, Porsche and Viper posters on the wall. I like “car porn,” drool over the curves, shapes, colors and wheels. If expense wasn’t an option I’m sure I wouldn’t be looking at either of these cars. I don’t care if I have a one of a kind or there’s 20 down the street. Don’t want a car to define me but merely bring pure driving enjoyment. I just have to follow Angeliron and drive what makes me happy. Raw, nostalgic or air conditioned ball sack???

[13COBRA]

You definitely sound like you would enjoy a C7 more. They're nice cars, enjoy!

[RedTanRT/10]

You worded your thread and comments like a "kick me" sign on your back.

"do these cars offer true value today?" I think you answered your own question by saying a 10 year newer C7 is at a similar price point.

Vipers are raw and aren't made for everyone. If you want creature comforts then try a G5, no ventilated seats but have most of what you referenced in the C7, except for an auto trans option.

As for power, the G3 is a great platform to get to 700 hp fairly reasonably.

Here's one for you, my '94 G1 will smoke any 90's model air-cooled non-turbo Porsche. How come they sell for 3X more??

[SA Heat]

Why is it that I want another viper?

Because of the awesome side vents.

[1Willy1]

Ive owned 2 C5 corvettes , including a magnacharged z06 making 600hp approximately , and my goal was to get into a gen 3 viper next.

For the money I think vipers are a great value, people spent 40-50k on pick up trucks, mini vans and boring bmw's , so the gen 3 vipers to me seem like a great value.

One issue I have is that they are pretty small, smaller then I expected.

I am torn now on what to get next, its either viper, supercharged Camaro or supercharged vette.....they all have their pros and cons

[ViperMike85]

Great value indeed. Since I was a young kid in the 90s the Viper was a dream car. Had a big block replica Cobra first, C5 Vette, a few other hot rods in between, now the Viper. Always wanted one but could never afford it. I waited patiently for values to drop within my budget. At this point there's no other car that I can think of that will give you this much bang for the buck. A similar mileage 2005 Vette for example would have been about $10-15k less but in 10 years the Vette will a sub $10k car at best. So for the money the Viper is not a bad deal. Maybe not the best investment but in terms of cost of ownership including depreciation the Gen 3 Viper is hard to beat.

[mackzilla]

I bought my Viper for the challenge and to become a better driver. I've heard it said for almost 15 years "they're some of the most capable cars in the right hands." These chassis are top performers in every iteration, for the right driver. I'd rather be the "right driver" than the "other guy" that can wheel around with stability, tcs and abs in a ninny bottomed <insert whatever>.

These cars will challenge you to learn good habits and respect: it will make you a better wheel-man. The vast majority of cars you drive after will come easy and you'll fall into a groove naturally.

And I can stare at it...a lot. My sentiments are for all generations of the Viper. Even after the Viper became more sophisticated it is and will always be the harder platform to drive faster than the major competitors.

[Vipermann]

...I really have a bug to get another car and appreciate your insights. ...I'm only comparing the viper to the vette because I enjoy driving a convertible with similar performances and price point. I'll get flack for this but I don't see the gen 3 as being an exotic car. Not that this matters because I want a great driving experience without attention...

You could have started your post simply with your first sentence. But this is not a 'consumer reports' forum. I've owned both Vipers and Vettes - and multiple versions of both. I bought my prior '05 Viper vs. an '05 Vette because it took me all of 3 seconds sitting in it at an auto show to instantly realize the Vette was boring by comparison. But then I had a '13 427 Vette. Sold that for my current '09 Viper convertible, and plan on keeping that because I see it as a future (and rare) classic.

Point of all this, is that we buy these cars for emotional reasons. Being 'logical' in comparing features and performance of a Gen 3 Viper to a C7 Vette that is 10 years newer is ...not the point of visiting a forum like this - nobody signs a promise to be objective here (or at Corvette Forum) - we like Vipers, that's why we're here.

But based on your comment: "I want a great driving experience without attention" suggests that maybe a Mazda Miata might be more your cup of tea? :rolleyes:

[johniew398]

I'm 70 and own a 2014 orange TA, #6.

I will keep this Viper for a long time. I owned Vettes for 27 years and probably will never own another one. I owned a 2009 ZR1 and loved it. I thought I might like the new ZR1 but it doesn't look like it offers much except for more HP which I already have in my Viper (740HP with the Arrow heads, cam & tune).

There's nothing like a Viper.

[jjhammer]

...not the point visiting a forum like this - nobody signs a promise to be objective here (or at Corvette Forum) - we like Vipers, that's why we're here.

I disagree, this is the best place to get subjective views of why Viper owners have chosen the viper over any other car. I appreciate the insights and experiences that owners have provided.

[Vipermann]

...not the point visiting a forum like this - nobody signs a promise to be objective here (or at Corvette Forum) - we like Vipers, that's why we're here.

I disagree, this is the best place to get subjective views of why Viper owners have chosen the viper over any other car. I appreciate the insights and experiences that owners have provided.

Thanks for inadvertently confirming what I was saying.

You started this thread, not by seeking opinions, but by proposing your own pseudo-objective performance-value analysis (comparing performance of a 12 year-old car to a newer alternative). To which I responded - that your calling for everyone else to review your so called objective points (to the 'dying breed' disparagement of the older Gen 3 Viper) is not what this site is about - we revel in these cars for emotional reasons - we're here because we're fans.

But then you just contradicted yourself by saying you are here because you want to get "subjective" views...

sub·jec·tive
səbˈjektiv/Submit
adjective
1. based on or influenced by personal feelings, tastes, or opinions.
"his views are highly subjective"
synonyms: personal, individual, emotional, instinctive, intuitive


...So here is one Viper owner's subjective view of C7 Vette owners: People who want C7 Vettes are wannabes who lack imagination, need too much outside confirmation from others and seek attention while parked in front of Gamestop...

[white ACR]

I've had 5 Vettes and currently own 3 Vipers. I can tell you without hesitation that the Viper wins in every category, assuming that you want an exotic hand built performance car.
I was surprised at your comment that the convertible top was a pain on your Gen 3.
On my '05 Comm Ed., I find the top extremely easy to use. Also, I like the lack of complexity of the manual operation compared to an electric top mechanism.
I'll look at the upcoming mid engine Vette, however probably never sell the Vipers to acquire one.
I really enjoy the rarity of the Viper and I'm always amazed at the attention that the '05 viper gets, let alone my '16 ACR. Vettes are a dime a dozen where I live.--Dave

[SA Heat]

I see a Viper in the San Antonio area once every month or so and when I do, I'll still about break my neck checking it out like I've never seen one before. I love the way Vipers of any generation look on the road and the exclusivity makes them that much more special.

I usually see 10 Corvettes or more on the ~29 mile drive I make to or from work on weeks days and dozens on the weekends. Great cars, but they're everywhere.

[jjhammer]

Thanks for inadvertently confirming what I was saying.

You started this thread, not by seeking opinions, but by proposing your own pseudo-objective performance-value analysis (comparing performance of a 12 year-old car to a newer alternative). To which I responded - that your calling for everyone else to review your so called objective points (to the 'dying breed' disparagement of the older Gen 3 Viper) is not what this site is about - we revel in these cars for emotional reasons - we're here because we're fans.

But then you just contradicted yourself by saying you are here because you want to get "subjective" views...

sub·jec·tive
səbˈjektiv/Submit
adjective
1. based on or influenced by personal feelings, tastes, or opinions.
"his views are highly subjective"
synonyms: personal, individual, emotional, instinctive, intuitive


...So here is one Viper owner's subjective view of C7 Vette owners: People who want C7 Vettes are wannabes who lack imagination, need too much outside confirmation from others and seek attention while parked in front of Gamestop...

Dude, stick your dictionary where the sun doesn't shine. Why do you have to pick apart everything like you're the almighty NERD. If you don't have anything nice to say then keep your comments to yourself. I'd bet the farm that you don't even own a viper, stole the pic in your avatar and have never even sat in a vette. By the way, I'm sure there's nothing wrong with Gamestop :lol2:

[ViperSRT]

I'm specifically thinking of the Gen 3 vipers. I'm only bringing up this topic to get opinions of viper enthusiasts and sort out my internal struggle (not to bash vipers on a viper forum). Besides the awesome side vents, do these cars offer any true value today? I've owned a couple gen 3's and a few C7's. For a comparable price one can get a C7 that's 10+ years newer and with a lot more comforts and safety features. The viper has a cheap looking plastic interior with subpar sound system, is a pain to operate the convertible top, an exhaust that heats up the cabin and a god aweful viper tax on parts. My last '16 vette had an awesome sound system, front and rear cameras, felt faster by the seat of the pants, adjustable exhaust and ride, can lower the car on stock bolts, ventilated seats, etc... As for the performance, it seems like every other car on the road has 500+ hp. Why is it that I want another viper?

And you are calling out someone for commenting with something that is not nice???

[viper04blk]

For a comparable price one can get a C7 that's 10+ years newer and with a lot more comforts and safety features.

You are right, the viper holds its resale value! (assuming you bought one used) Excellent reason to want a viper.


My last '16 vette had an awesome sound system, front and rear cameras, felt faster by the seat of the pants, adjustable exhaust and ride, can lower the car on stock bolts, ventilated seats, etc...

I drive my viper for 30 min a week if I am lucky. When I do get a chance to drive my car, i am so happy i dont have to monkey around with all of the things you just mentioned. Why would I want to get into my car, adjust my power seats, sync my bluetooth to the car, select a song to play, adjust my exhaust, find out my back-up camera has some dust on it and I cant see very well, follow some silly procedure to get my traction control off, play with some dials on my highly electronic dash so my seats can blow air at me at the perfect temperature.............. I just want the highest fun to price ratio I can get. I havent even turned on my stereo yet in my car, i dont even know if it works. I also like knowing I have less gadgets and toys to fix when it breaks....because my car does not have any gadgets and toys.

I have driven every year of corvette (never played with z06 or zr1s) from 2004-present. I honestly have zero fun driving them.

;)

[viperBase1]

I havent even turned on my stereo yet in my car, i dont even know if it works.
+1 on that. :icon_devil:

Just a few days ago for the first time, I dropped a Robin Trower CD in the stereo while on a drive.
Bridge of Sighs.. James Dewars bass guitar pumping thru the big center speaker is awesome! :dude3:
Worked great with the exhaust notes.

[Unlimtd]

I'm specifically thinking of the Gen 3 vipers. I'm only bringing up this topic to get opinions of viper enthusiasts and sort out my internal struggle (not to bash vipers on a viper forum). Besides the awesome side vents, do these cars offer any true value today? I've owned a couple gen 3's and a few C7's. For a comparable price one can get a C7 that's 10+ years newer and with a lot more comforts and safety features. The viper has a cheap looking plastic interior with subpar sound system, is a pain to operate the convertible top, an exhaust that heats up the cabin and a god aweful viper tax on parts. My last '16 vette had an awesome sound system, front and rear cameras, felt faster by the seat of the pants, adjustable exhaust and ride, can lower the car on stock bolts, ventilated seats, etc... As for the performance, it seems like every other car on the road has 500+ hp. Why is it that I want another viper?

You specified that your comment is limited to Gen III Vipers. The last Gen III Viper year was 2006. You can get one for reasonable dollars. You can then, for reasonable dollars, modify it to solve all of your perceived issues. You will then have a car that provides you with something no Vette owner has really ever experienced - exclusivity within the context of the Viper's reputation for American road course muscle and stand outside the crowd attitude. But, the car is a skilled driver's car. It is not for people with an undeveloped driving skill set. Other than ABS, it has no nanny tech. So based on your comment about the 2016 Vette, I would say that a Gen I through Gen IV Viper do not fit your needs. If it is within your budget, you might wish to consider a Gen V Viper.

[jjhammer]

I really would like to keep the price between 40-50k as a hobby car. Even low mile gen 4's seem to be outta this range but I'll keep my eye out for a good deal this winter. I do appreciate your responses and I'm sure my comments offend some owners.

[Whozaka]

I almost bought a C7 Stingray then I really thought about everything and realized the last time I saw a viper was on youtube. not in person. As I was driving to the Chevy Dealership I saw 3 corvettes and I realized I needed to turn around and go online and find a Viper. I do not regret my decision at all. There are things I hate about this car but not a single one of the negative points will ever outweigh the smile I have on my face everytime I click that start button.

[Vipermann]

Dude, stick your dictionary where the sun doesn't shine. Why do you have to pick apart everything like you're the almighty NERD. If you don't have anything nice to say then keep your comments to yourself. I'd bet the farm that you don't even own a viper, stole the pic in your avatar and have never even sat in a vette. By the way, I'm sure there's nothing wrong with Gamestop :lol2:

You came in here worse than a Viper NERD - you professed to be a Vette NERD. But, your wannabe panties are showing now. I'll bet my first Viper pre-dates your driver's license. But go ahead, please - educate us all on the virtues of owning a Vette. Or better yet, go to Corvette forum where they give a crap. Look me up there too - Vettemann (since '03) ...that was until I dumped my last Vette...

Guilty as charged: I confess, Viper NERD here everyone - I hope that's OK...

[Gen3CoupeTX]

JJ, it's a peculiar approach to come in and rag on something (Gen III, Viper) this crowd is predisposed to like, and then act annoyed when you get feedback that you don't like or doesn't confirm a Vette is a better choice. The point is that if that's a better choice for YOU, then go for it and be happy with your choice.

Someone saying something unkind about my cars, my bikes, my dog, even my family ... Doesn't offend me. I couldn't give a rat's a$$ about input from anyone else when I'm pleased with what's mine. I know all of these have their flaws, and Lord knows I do - But I lose zero sleep wondering what others think.

I've owned a number of Vettes, different generations and a newer Z06. I've owned two Vipers, and a SRT-10 truck. I enjoyed my Vettes, but can live without them. Even if the Viper is a dying breed (using your words there), at least one will live in my garage for many years to come. They just make me smile!

And thanks to this thread, I now realize that the stereo in my Vipers actually works. Who knew?! Respectfully, Mike M

[BrianACR]

Stereo?? Is that what those buttons and knob are just above the tranny tunnel?? Thought maybe it was just a fancy clock. Always wondered what they were...

[SlateEd]

OP - the value proposition is a rare car with style that you like. (or if you don't, then don't get one). What's the value of a Gen2? Rare car, style you like (or not). What's the value proposition of a 1971 Plymouth Barracuda? Rare car, style you like (or not). It's obvious that brand new cars can do more things, both technologically and performance-wise.

For me, the value at the time I got my 2006 was - it was the fastest Viper that I could afford and would still be under warranty for a few years, and I wanted a VIPER. V10, unreasonable torque, out-to-kill-the-occupants reputation (and reality sometimes). That was the package and I wanted it. The Gen 4 was already available, and had 95 more HP, but I was able to buy the Gen 3 with my budget, and I can honestly say right now I wouldn't lose anything on resale 8 years later (minus insurance and disposables of course). If you buy a new-ish Corvette now, you won't be in that same position 50,000 miles later.


The creature comforts aren't really for high-performance 2-seaters anyway. If you want a car that can be-all-things-to-all-people, get a Manual 2013 Audi S4, mod the crap out of it and you'll have 600HP all wheel drive 4-door, air conditioned and heated everything, not much attention... oh wait, you'll have lots of understeer if you ever go to the track. (I did it with my B8.. the front-heavy jokes are true)

The point is you can't have it "all" even if you're willing to spend Bugatti kind of money. So what's the value of a Gen3 Viper - It's rare, the style is aggressive, you can have a rag top and that V-10 sound at the same time.

If you want "big" horsepower numbers by 2018 standards you have lots of options, including a Gen3 with modifications. That comes with compromise. If the package of the Corvette appeals to you, then go for it - that also comes with compromise (the car is not rare and it's not going to push you to become a better driver the way a Viper will).

[mackzilla]

Now this gentleman knows what he taking about and I couldn't agree more.

I love this part "And I can stare at it" so true

<3 mah brotha

[doncmleon]

The Viper has always appealed to a niche market. I would certainly hope a car with a 10 year technological advantage would have some extra creature comforts, but things like air conditioning for your crotch have also made them heavier, which is not what I want in a performance car. I've always thought of the Corvette as a performance car for the masses, and to be blunt, the masses don't know shit about cars. They want to jump in, push a button, be wowed with a loud exhaust, and then let the nannies manage their lack of experience driving a high horsepower rear wheel drive car so they can show off for their neighbor buddy whose only high performance vehicle is a fully loaded Honda Odyssey.

The Viper doesn't have mass appeal...it never has. But it does make a statement, and that statement starts and ends with a middle finger to the other cars on the road that can only be described as basic transportation. For 99% of people, basic transportation is all that's needed. Some of us appreciate what the Viper is...a blunt instrument that when wielded properly can outperform most anything on the road. It also exposes posers, and is never kind when making that point. Some people don't take kindly to being treated that way, but fear not...there are plenty of Vettes out there for the rest.

I want this entire post on a tshirt. I may even print this out and hang it in my garage....and im damn serious.

Well well said my friend!

Well fkcn said!

[Fatman2006]

.... That's just my .2 though.

Not sure if you did it on purpose but that actually reads '20 cent', 2 cent is written, .02 preceded by $ or ¢, either will work.

Just thought you should know, because it's super important and relevant to this topic.

[Geronimo]

Not sure if you did it on purpose but that actually reads '20 cent', 2 cent is written, .02 preceded by $ or ¢, either will work.

Just thought you should know, because it's super important and relevant to this topic. Lord have mercy....