Expectations

[Viperenvy]

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/2000-dodge-viper-4/

$45,000 is my guestimate


Started on AutoTrader, the on Ebay that ended the second time at $41,100, and now on Bat. As much as I'd like to see appreciation, the ACR's just haven't aged in automotive lore to the appropriate level. Anyone want to throw in a number for the next 6 days?

[Camfab]

Sounds like you must be looking for an ACR. Why even talk about price otherwise. ACR’s don’t have enough automotive “lore” , really, where have you been? What you’re looking at is a bargain....

[ducatithunder]

I think 46-47k based on mileage and ACR I can make a case for the brakes either way. I have no idea what’s going on with the intake. That brake cooling box is nla and pretty cool. Car is clean for he most part. Id be very surprised if that car doesn’t have a reserve in the mid 40’s. Add on the 2k commission the buyer paysat that selling price to BaT your not getting it at a competitive price. All the online collector info I’ve aeen for vipers is based on gts cars. Hargarty doesn’t have a acr option. A concourse gts was 60k earlier in the year. A nice driver to very well kept were in the 40-46k range. Again GTS vipers and the acr was a 15-16k option IIRC.

[Viperenvy]

Since April - similar tracked vehicle with smae miliage sold for $43,500 with a 2nd set of Konis. Three others with 11-13K were offered for $45K, $50K, & $52K. Two taken off market as no sales. The $50K was actually sold for $49,995 and was originally offered at $72,250 at BJs. (at least that's what the website showed). Plus, not optimal time of year.

[parabs]

Time of year is irrelevant. You haven’t been able to spec out a Gen 2 for 15 years. If the condition, colour, options match your preference then the buyer should move...quickly.

If that was my car and a “buyer” came to negotiate with time of year takes, I’d say GFY, the price just went up 10%. These aren’t high volume cars, and as such dealing on them is a bit different than dealing on corvettes, m3’s, shelby’s. These cars are lower rung exotic’s/supercars.

Specific to The OP, is saving a couple grand while you search worth not having a car in your garage for a couple years? Is the idea of getting the best deal more thrilling than actual ownership?

[City]

Oh goody. Yet another thread to discuss some totally unrelated third party Viper listing's asking price and how it may or may not relate to everyone's opinion of "real and right" value. :rolleyes:

OK, sorry for my belligerence. It's just tiresome to read these over and over. But it's a car forum so I guess I'll just sit back and try to chill. Just wish "true value" wasn't so much an absolute critical issue for so many. I get the impedance to get a "reasonable" deal, but the "value" of enjoyment is so seldom mentioned in these arguments. If you can't wait all week for the thrill of a Sunday drive for years to come, does it really matter if you paid an extra grand? Sorry, off soap box now. :o

[Bill Pemberton]

The Comfort Package ( A/C ) was on 99% of all the Gen II ACRs, yet still today folks act like this is the exception. We likely sold more Gen II ACRs than anyone in the US as both Bob Woodhouse and myself were both heavily into tracking the Snakes ( and we sold a lot of Track Rats ) , and yet we only got in 1 ACR sans A/C over the 4 model years. If I remember correctly, only about 8-10 cars were done each year from 99 through 2002 without said package. An awful lot of Vipers sell after an online Auction , as most folks just use the format to showcase their car. But , just like a normal Viper sale , they often can take months to sell. One of the main reasons is that the older models can often be hard for many buyers to secure financing ( due to age and the amount the Banks that will actually cover the sale , require). Not going to get into the debate on cash or financing , but the reality is often the older cars are the ones new buyers look towards since they are considering overall cost and often are not aware of some Bank Challenges even with good credit. Lastly , the one issue that some interested buyers may be viewing are the upgrades. Though many see these as positives, a specific Collector Buyer may be turned off as he/she wants an original car, hence the buyer profile is split. Car will likely sell in the 40-45K range and depending on other condition issues one can not ascertain without getting it on a lift , many buyers will still want to give themselves some leeway in case of possible concerns one can have with any 18 year old car.

[Trick]

There are collectors and there are car guys, right now the viper is a car guys car not a collectors car...

[Bill Pemberton]

Sorry, but after selling these cars for over 20 years , there are tons of Collectors that are serious car guys. Considering we have sold over 2200+ Vipers over the years many are Viper Collectors and the number rose exponentially during the last two years. Collectors does not mean the cars are just garage queens ( Jay Leno is a good example of a car guy and collector) , and most of the individuals who are collectors, we have sold, drive their cars.

[Trick]

I cant really post on what we have in our garage here, but i can tell you as a broker, most people DO NOT drive collector cars.

Mclaren f1 1800 miles

Ferrari f40 800 miles (3rd owner)

Porsche GT just over 1000 miles (2nd owner)

959 3500 miles

I could go on and on and on.

Highest miles car we have had that could be a collector car was a FXX, so i would say car collectors (people who buy them for value) don't drive them. And the viper has not reached a point to where a collector is looking at them for an investment.

[Bill Pemberton]

Semantics --- since you define a Collector as someone who buys them for value only, and I have many Collectors who drive all their cars, though it may not be that many miles per year, we are just politely disagreeing what we perceive as a Car Collector. I see many of them a collectors of Automotive Art, or collection of track machines, or just severe gearheads who want fun machines around to play with. Just a much broader brush for the definition and since I have customers with 30-50 cars , and they play with them a lot, I am just using a more open description.

Lastly , with all the folks that would fit your definition of a Collector, I can unequivocally state that a new point was reached ( 2016/2017 ) where your definition of a Collector became super aware of the Viper. Been in the business for 30+ years and am one of only two individuals that have sold new Vipers since the 90s, and we never had a year where so many Collectors ( who are expecting future value) have bought Vipers. So I think you will see the basis has already been started , but like most limited built automobiles it does not catapult overnight , it starts with a small swell and builds. Personally, imho, I think the swell will become a Tsunami in the next 10 years.

[Coloviper]

Nice car and will sell to the right owner eventually. Older ACRs will do just fine as the restore and don't drive "collector" part catches up in years to come . At that point Viper will have it's resurgence "Shelby" moment for small period of time.

For now, enjoy and drive them. Someone will appreciate it and buy it. Be happy for the new potential owner and that they got a good car. Don't understand some of these threads and the point of them of some of them. Some of these people have no clue what the hell they are talking about. But must be true, it is on the internet right?

[Trick]

Well my clients come in look over at my viper and usually say "man i always wanted one of those" and then ask me if i can source them a Miura.

[Geronimo]

Specific to The OP, is saving a couple grand while you search worth not having a car in your garage for a couple years? Is the idea of getting the best deal more thrilling than actual ownership?
Probably not but some would rather go F themselves rather than you doing it. Couple thousand is chump change to some but there is those barely able to pay their mortgage these days trying to buy a car like this these days.

[Viperenvy]

OK - ok - I was wrong. It sold for 15% more than I predicted. $54,600 with the commission added.

[ducatithunder]

I didn’t think it was going to sell. It was stuck at 40k. I think someone contacted the seller and he was told the reserve price. Next bid was 50k. Someone had to have that car.

[Viperenvy]

I thought that was odd, too. However, we should all be so lucky when we want to sell something :)