Viper TA Vs Ford GT pic

[USCDOC]

'Merica!

http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h198/lspalmer/Mobile%20Uploads/ADB66C00-5CC2-42C5-83BD-F8B57B514C20.jpg (http://s64.photobucket.com/user/lspalmer/media/Mobile%20Uploads/ADB66C00-5CC2-42C5-83BD-F8B57B514C20.jpg.html)

[dewilmoth]

It's amazing how big the GT makes the Viper look since the Viper isn't exactly a big car. Just love the GT.

[Fatboy 18]

I actually think the Viper looks better!

Im not a fan of the new FGT

[dewilmoth]

I actually think the Viper looks better!

Im not a fan of the new FGT

Saw one last weekend, and it was quite impressive. Did see some build quality fit/finish stuff though, which I wouldn’t be happy with for a half mil.

[jaxtk]

It's amazing how big the GT makes the Viper look since the Viper isn't exactly a big car. Just love the GT.

Put a ruler up to the screen, same length!

[SRT_BluByU]

would love the fgt body with the viper motor.. dont like like the turbo 6.. one of the worst sounding engines. yuck

[dewilmoth]

Put a ruler up to the screen, same length!

I meant roof height.

[ACRSNK]

Nfgt is sick!!!!!!!

[1ststrike]

If you look at the green showing in the windows in the background it looks like the FGT is quite a bit lower.

[Voice of Reason]

I meant roof height.

I was going to comment the same. Put the Viper next to a Mustang and the Mustang looks like it has the height of a SUV. The Ford GT does the same thing to our Viper. I cannot imagine sitting any lower, your butt must be 4” off the highway you’re driving on!

[Red Snake]

V6, no thanks. The TA is dope.

[IHOP]

It looks awesome but like the others no Eco Boost bullshit for me! It should have been built with a twin turbo V8. If the new GT500 is built with a twin turbo V8 they should replace the V6 in this with the GT500 motor. Then this car would be incredible!!

[ZeeViper]

can we talk about how there is only ONE picture!!!??!!!! lets see some more shots!!

Both incredible cars. i can't say i don't like the FGT better looks wise though, so edgy and still pays homage to the prior gens.

[Snorman]

Simply amazing that something built by FORD is damn near one of the most exclusive cars out there today.
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[sharmut]

I would love to see and hear a voodoo 5.2 with twin turbo version.

[Snakebit10]

Both cars are gorgeous. But you got to give the edge to the Fords aero shape. It looks incredible up close. Not a fan of the engine either. I wish they did a TT V8 instead like the Mclarens...Even a SC V8 like the former would have been better. I don't think the public would have mind a little more weight with a V8 variant for the street NFGT's.

[SharpMan]

'Merica!

http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h198/lspalmer/Mobile%20Uploads/ADB66C00-5CC2-42C5-83BD-F8B57B514C20.jpg (http://s64.photobucket.com/user/lspalmer/media/Mobile%20Uploads/ADB66C00-5CC2-42C5-83BD-F8B57B514C20.jpg.html)

GT was engineered and is built in Markham Canada by Multimatic who engineered and manufactured carbon chassis for Aston One-77.

http://www.multimatic.com

Canada! ;-)

[swexlin]

We have a local owner here who has brought his to our C&C. Impressive car, to be sure, and I wouldn't kick one out of my garage. However, for the price, there are a couple of other cars I would choose first.

[ViperPete]

The side profile of that GT is SICK. Looks like a car from a video game.
Hate the powertrain but the car looks good.

A different league than a Viper IMO.

[Scott_in_fl]

The perspective on the photo is a little off (Viper is closer to camera) and the bright orange color against the darker blue does not help, but the Viper is likely a smidge larger than the NFGT.

The NFGT is a styling masterpiece. The designers really knocked it out of the park. It is ground breaking. Nothing before it looks like it. Makes everything else look like a tired refresh of prior designs. Makes McLaren's designers look lazy by comparison (same general design on all of their cars), and Lambo's designers look like they're always trying too hard.

But, powertrain and performance wise, I think they landed off target. Does not seem to be lap time hunter, or a roll-race/quarter mile boss. Nor is it likely to be easily modded like the '05-'06 FGT's were. I think this NFGT is basically an American NSX -- sweet driver for sport driving in the canyons, easy on the eyes, but somewhat mediocre performance if compared to all of its current competition (GT2RS, Performante, 720S).

I still wouldn't kick it out of bed for eating crackers :)

[IHOP]

I think this NFGT is basically an American NSX -- sweet driver for sport driving in the canyons, easy on the eyes, but somewhat mediocre performance if compared to all of its current competition (GT2RS, Performante, 720S).


Great comparison, all show but no go.

[DZnutz]

but somewhat mediocre performance if compared to all of its current competition (GT2RS, Performante, 720S).

Have you driven any of those cars?

[Scott_in_fl]

Have you driven any of those cars?

Well, I used to own a Nissan GTR. And since all of these cars are re-boots of the GTR (mostly V-6tt, dual clutch, computerized yaw control, throttle input, and braking distribution, dynamic this, assisted that, yada, yada), but with prettier bodywork, I suppose I have driven them all.

Really, other than straight line performance, how different are they from one another? If you enjoy the actual driving experience, then they all suck.

Of course, some of that is tongue in cheek, but I'm sure it's very close to reality. The new cars are all very similar in the experience they can offer (down here in South Florida, they are all here; friends own them; I've been in some, not all). Sure, they sound different, their cockpits are finished different, but mechanically (and more important electronically), they are all very uninteresting to me.

I'm more the type to enjoy ACRgene's H/C car audio clip running on social media right now with the lumpy cam and straight piped exhaust. But, the new cars look amazing.

[ACRSNK]

Both cars are gorgeous. But you got to give the edge to the Fords aero shape. It looks incredible up close. Not a fan of the engine either. I wish they did a TT V8 instead like the Mclarens...Even a SC V8 like the former would have been better. I don't think the public would have mind a little more weight with a V8 variant for the street NFGT's.

They were forced to use a 6 instead of an eight because of the design. It simply could not accommodate a V8. They considered it, but it simply wouldn't work. The motor they ended up with is nothing to balk at though. Pretty amazing what they did with the 6.

People talking trash about the 6's reminds me of the same trash talking that used to go on back in the 80's with the Grand Nationals and we all know how they did back in the day against the competition...nothing could keep up with that little 231 C.I. V6. In fact, the GNX was the fastest production car back in 87 with it's little 6 cylinder.

Technology compensates for cubes. It's as simple as that. The NFGT is pretty amazing if you ask me.

[TrackAire]

My buddy is on the waiting list for his NFGT and a few months ago was informed by Ford that there would be a 12-18 month delay in getting his new FGT. He got pissed and ordered a Porsche 911 Carrera GTS 4 to get him by until his NFGT comes in then he'll sell the Porsche. He'll have the Porsche before Christmas. He currently owns a 2005 FGT but it is for sale and he doesn't want to drive it "just in case" something happens to it before it gets sold.

This weekend he informed me that a couple of used new FGT's have been sold for 2 million dollars each. A $1.5 million dollar profit is hard to pass up. This is against the so-called contract Ford makes you agree to when purchasing the car but in reality the owners don't think they can do much about it other than deny warranty on the car but they still have to honor the smog warranty portion in the USA. But if you can afford a $2 million car, I don't think you're too concerned about paying out of pocket repairs.

In three years when the contract terms run out, I'd assume the price will come down by at least 50% but that is still a 100% appreciation gain for most owners if they decide to sell their cars for 1 million dollars.

[Red Snake]

They were forced to use a 6 instead of an eight because of the design. It simply could not accommodate a V8. They considered it, but it simply wouldn't work. The motor they ended up with is nothing to balk at though. Pretty amazing what they did with the 6.

People talking trash about the 6's reminds me of the same trash talking that used to go on back in the 80's with the Grand Nationals and we all know how they did back in the day against the competition...nothing could keep up with that little 231 C.I. V6. In fact, the GNX was the fastest production car back in 87 with it's little 6 cylinder.

Technology compensates for cubes. It's as simple as that. The NFGT is pretty amazing if you ask me.

FWIW, I wouldn't want the GNX either. ;)

[Snakebit10]

They were forced to use a 6 instead of an eight because of the design. It simply could not accommodate a V8. They considered it, but it simply wouldn't work. The motor they ended up with is nothing to balk at though. Pretty amazing what they did with the 6.

People talking trash about the 6's reminds me of the same trash talking that used to go on back in the 80's with the Grand Nationals and we all know how they did back in the day against the competition...nothing could keep up with that little 231 C.I. V6. In fact, the GNX was the fastest production car back in 87 with it's little 6 cylinder.

Technology compensates for cubes. It's as simple as that. The NFGT is pretty amazing if you ask me.

I hear you but everything you said I know. I read the roll out on the NFGT. My comments were not about the effectiveness of the TT V6 or V6's in general. I love V6's and have had a few sports cars with them. Its about the heart of the car. The last one was a V8. Great sound and presence compared to this TT V6. Imagine a V6 Viper? Nah me either. My comments were from a purely subjective angle. Everyone has their preferences. I love everything else about the NFGT. Pure race car.

As for the GNX etc I was around for that. Loved those crazy cars. They were faster than the Corvettes of the time. If memory serves it was faster than the Ferrari and Porsches too. Still got love for them. Yeah Tech is the equalizer against cubes without tech. When you add that tech to the cubes it favors the cubes again hehe.

[One Viper Bite]

Not sure why everyone is complaining about the TT V6 in the GT. It actually sounds really good and plays the part performance wise. Times are changing and cars need to be lighter and more efficient in order to exist. If the Viper ever makes a return in the future, It will most definitely NOT be an 8.0+ liter V10.

Be glad something like the new GT exists today. While it may be a bit overpriced for what it delivers in performance, we need cars like the GT to exist and show the world that American's can build proper supercars.

[Scott_in_fl]

FWIW, I wouldn't want the GNX either. ;)

They were cool back in the day. I know because I was racing them in my '89 Mustang GT 5.0 with some simple mods.

Problem with the GNX was that it was geared so low that it had a top speed of something like 114 mph.

So, they were great from a dig, but any rolling race saw them peter out pretty quickly.

For the roll races, those turbo Mazda RX-7's were nuts.

[swexlin]

They were cool back in the day. I know because I was racing them in my '89 Mustang GT 5.0 with some simple mods.

Problem with the GNX was that it was geared so low that it had a top speed of something like 114 mph.

So, they were great from a dig, but any rolling race saw them peter out pretty quickly.

For the roll races, those turbo Mazda RX-7's were nuts.

I taught myself to drive a manual in my mother's '88 RX-7 Turbo (was the white 10th Anniversary Edition). It was a surprisingly quick car, considering it made, what 180 hp? Was a very fun car - and sucked down gas like a big-block. My Viper gets much better mileage, believe it or not.

[SmoknTires]

Yeah, insane what I see the new GT's going for, but $1.5-2mil is indeed the most I've heard.

Even the prior gen GT was crazy low, always surprised me how much lower the roofline was than the Viper. But sitting in it was another thing (and getting a helmet on, yet another). I couldn't drive one comfortably given my height.

Good pic.

[ViperDC]

Well, I used to own a Nissan GTR. And since all of these cars are re-boots of the GTR (mostly V-6tt, dual clutch, computerized yaw control, throttle input, and braking distribution, dynamic this, assisted that, yada, yada), but with prettier bodywork, I suppose I have driven them all.

Really, other than straight line performance, how different are they from one another? If you enjoy the actual driving experience, then they all suck.

Of course, some of that is tongue in cheek, but I'm sure it's very close to reality. The new cars are all very similar in the experience they can offer (down here in South Florida, they are all here; friends own them; I've been in some, not all). Sure, they sound different, their cockpits are finished different, but mechanically (and more important electronically), they are all very uninteresting to me.

I'm more the type to enjoy ACRgene's H/C car audio clip running on social media right now with the lumpy cam and straight piped exhaust. But, the new cars look amazing.



Jeez dude. Yeah I bet a mid engine RWD car that weighs about 1000 pounds less than a AWD front engine GTR drives just the same. No offense, but your takes are consistently horrible.

Also you might be surprised what kind of lap times the FGT puts down.

[13COBRA]

Be glad something like the new GT exists today. While it may be a bit overpriced for what it delivers in performance, we need cars like the GT to exist and show the world that American's can build proper supercars.

Except, the Canadians built the NFGT.

[Scott_in_fl]

Jeez dude. Yeah I bet a mid engine RWD car that weighs about 1000 pounds less than a AWD front engine GTR drives just the same. No offense, but your takes are consistently horrible.

Also you might be surprised what kind of lap times the FGT puts down.

I just find cars like '05-06 FGT (shopping for one), CGT, all Vipers, 993 and prior Pcars, Fcar Stradale's, etc to be so much more interesting and fun to drive than any of the newer stuff.

[Snorman]

I'm going to go out on a limb and say that the Ford GT is damn fast on-track. The fact that one hasn't put down a lap time doesn't change my opinion of that. The car was built to do one thing...go fast around a road course. Everything else was secondary.
It's doubtful that most of us track rats will ever see one out there, but in the hands of somebody who is pushing the car hard, it's going to be a monster. Incredible chassis, huge aero, tons of power and tech.

FWIW, I was at a private track event at Sebring last week on Monday-Tuesday. There were TWO 720's there (among many others). Not sure what they ran, but the owners were out there running them all day both days. They were running in the "Touring" run group, so I didn't see any on-track, but awesome that the owners were out there having fun with them. And they were hauling ass up the front straight.
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[darbgnik]

There is a 650S in our track group. We were running together one day, duking it out, but as soon as we'd hit the straights, he'd just walk off. I'd imagine the 720 would make it look worse.......

[Scott_in_fl]

720S is an absolute beast. That color in the above photo is awesome too. Almost did Carlisle Blue myself. Pretty!

[ViperDC]

I just find cars like '05-06 FGT (shopping for one), CGT, all Vipers, 993 and prior Pcars, Fcar Stradale's, etc to be so much more interesting and fun to drive than any of the newer stuff.

Fair enough

[IHOP]

The new FGT is an awesome piece of technology and incredible engineering. I just wish it came with a twin turbo V8, even a small one like Mclaren's 3.8L. I guess this is a sign of me getting old and looking back a few years ago to the good ol' days. Lmao It really is awesome I'm curious to see what the power band looks like on the V6. But the thing is pretty badass and good for Ford for making it!

[VenomSnake]

I still like the ones from 2004-2006 best from Ford. It reminds me more of the original Ford GT from the 60’s. The new one doesn’t remind me of anything. That’s not a bad thing but I wouldn’t have named it Ford GT. It kinda took away the heritage. The new one looks so long. Almost like it shouldn’t be that long. Then again when I hear they couldn’t make a V8 fit in there I find that hard to believe. I’d think that is a way of Ford pushing the V6 on us. I’ve not driven one but I watched Jay Leno drive one and the way he explained driving a Viper is the exact same feeling I get so I know I would love the New Ford GT. Maybe I’ll run into one on the street. I doubt it though. I’ve only seen four 04-06 GT’s on the street and I can remember everyone of them. I’ve only seen two Gen V’s on the street. We sure do live in a great time when the Big 3 are pumping out some amazing cars like the GT, Demon and the ZR1 on the way.

[serpent]

I dont know if its been mentioned but a major reason they used a v6 TT is the success Ford had when they campaigned that same motor in the Daytona Prototypes.
It beat the Corvette V8 DP cars. It would go further without refueling compared to the v8 cars and was more reliable.

[VenomSnake]

That’s a very good point. I didn’t even think about that. On Jay Leno’s Garage they mentioned this. Very good point. I would think with the V6 and weight reduction the handeling is better too. Less weight to power ratio, better fuel economy for the track and handling is a win for Ford. I’m still not sold on the styling. Then again things have to progress to get better.

[Drummerviper]

I just wish mine would hurry up and get here.

[viper04]

Very nice thanks for posting the pic's.

[Drummerviper]

Verlander picking his up yesterday here in town. Win a series, marry a supermodel , pick up yout GT.

[Terminator02]

A company my buddy who paint corrects out of has tons of Ford GTs there. I have learned the following which may or may not be true:
1. part of the reason most true fanatics of the car do not break the contract for a 1.5mm profit is because a huge emphasis in vetting owners was how often they drove previous ones and how often they plan to drive. Ford is looking for owners who drive the cars. From what I see of the owners myself, they do not need 1.5mm profit nearly like I do.

2. Kinda piggeybacks the previous, but the enthusiast owners DO drive these cars. I am sure they rent out private track days. While I do find it curious why numbers are not posted, I "hear" they are amazing on the track. No owners I know of complain about the performance and the average owner will have some very impressive super cars at home to have personal reference points to. That right there alone to me, indicates strong performance or I would imagine these multi super car owning track driving owners would have complaints we would be noting.

Personally, I think they are amazing in person. I think it is the best modern design out. I do not think pictures do either the viper or nfgt justice. Finally, regarding sound, I think they sound pretty good. Late winter to early spring, my OTA will be at the facility for a few weeks getting paint correction and nano coating so I will see if I can get permission to upload some pics of the viper and nfgt up close and at different angles.

[Scott_in_fl]

Verlander picking his up yesterday here in town. Win a series, marry a supermodel , pick up yout GT.

Damn, this guy's had quite the year!

[Stealth]

I dont know if its been mentioned but a major reason they used a v6 TT is the success Ford had when they campaigned that same motor in the Daytona Prototypes.
It beat the Corvette V8 DP cars. It would go further without refueling compared to the v8 cars and was more reliable.

This really needs to be taken with a grain of salt. The NFGT in IMSA, like the Porsches and others, benefits tremendously from Balance of Power Adjustments--SEE LEMANS SAND-BAGGING!. A v6 for $500k is crazy! (Even if speculators will pay much more). It is also hard to have 2 reasonable sized people sit comfortably in the cabin due to design, etc., etc. No reviewer likes it on the street.

While the architecture and design is impressive for the NFGT, I find the 720s much more impressive. That is a car which punches way, way above its price. Excellent design from the people who brought us the F1--which had to be de-tuned from the street to sweep at LeMans.

Now let's get FCA a budget and begin the design of the Gen VI!

[serpent]

This really needs to be taken with a grain of salt. The NFGT in IMSA, like the Porsches and others, benefits tremendously from Balance of Power Adjustments--SEE LEMANS SAND-BAGGING!. A v6 for $500k is crazy! (Even if speculators will pay much more). It is also hard to have 2 reasonable sized people sit comfortably in the cabin due to design, etc., etc. No reviewer likes it on the street.

What needs to be taken with a grain of salt? The purpose of using a v6 was the success it had in DP program. What better way to increase sales by marketing Eco Boost.
I post on SVTP, Ford's inside source (DBK) said the Ford GTs were penalized quite a bit, it had the most weight, smallest fuel tank, boost restricted, etc.

People forget the class the Ford GT is in is with a fucking bmw m6 which is a fucking boat.
GTLM class racing doesnt reward design, they gimp the sleeker cars so big ass boats (BMW M6 to name a few) can compete.

Look at the size difference. It looks even smaller than the C7R.
http://www.bimmerfile.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/cobb-WatkinsGlen-170702-3543.jpg

[FikseGTS]

indeed, V6TT or V8TT, I don't care, and a V8TT isn't going to sound much better either, I have the 720S, it doesn't sound great but it kicks ass.

The Viper world told Dodge to keep the big V10 and manual transmission and looked what happened, it didn't sell and the car is now gone, it's time to move on and not get caught up on the past.

I rode in the new GT and it's incredible in every way, anyone who thinks this car is a slouch is mistaken. Will it beat the 720S in a drag race? no, but it's a race car for the street, no doubt and will hold it's own against just about anything on a road course.



Not sure why everyone is complaining about the TT V6 in the GT. It actually sounds really good and plays the part performance wise. Times are changing and cars need to be lighter and more efficient in order to exist. If the Viper ever makes a return in the future, It will most definitely NOT be an 8.0+ liter V10.

Be glad something like the new GT exists today. While it may be a bit overpriced for what it delivers in performance, we need cars like the GT to exist and show the world that American's can build proper supercars.

[BlueAdder]

GT was engineered and is built in Markham Canada by Multimatic who engineered and manufactured carbon chassis for Aston One-77.

http://www.multimatic.com

Canada! ;-)

The Challengers are built in Brampton as well, eh.