Used Arrow PCM Locked to VIN Value

[#WhiteNoise]

Quick question for you guys.

I have an Arrow PCM I'm no longer using as my Gen V has been sold. Not exactly sure on the process as I believe the PCM is essentially locked to the car it was originally programmed for? If I sell this to another Gen V owner will Arrow reprogram it to their car for a fee or is the PCM essentially useless at this point?

Whats a fair going rate for one of these controllers?

I'd appreciate any input you guys have.

[Space Truckin]

You cannot use it, so $500-600...

[Vette2Viper]

What’s the cost to get it reprogrammed?

[BJG32]

$150 to get it reprogrammed

[parabs]

You cannot use it, so $500-600...

I have read both that they are locked and that they can be reprogrammed....but I suspect they are locked.

If it isn’t usable, what is it’s usefulness for 5-600$?

Edit

If I wasn’t so slow on the keyboard I would already know the answer lol

[Vette2Viper]

Hmmm, I may be interested if selling. Need to get rid of the check engine light from the header install.

[SRZ]

The PCM can be reprogrammed by Arrow. I was in a similar situation and contacted Arrow directly few months back -- PCM can be shipped to Arrow for reprogramming. Cost is about $100-$150 (don't remember the exact price). Just give them a call.

[#WhiteNoise]

thanks for the info, much appreciated!

[v10tt]

I sold mine to a friend of mine. Mine was a 13, my friend's was a 14. Sent it to Dale Mathews at Arrow for reprogram, and it was a direct bolt on my friend's 14 after. no need to even go to the dealer.

[Space Truckin]

If it isn’t usable, what is it’s usefulness for 5-600$?

What I meant, he cannot use it so sell it to someone who can. They can be reprogrammed by Arrow for a fee...FWIW

[#WhiteNoise]

I sold mine to a friend of mine. Mine was a 13, my friend's was a 14. Sent it to Dale Mathews at Arrow for reprogram, and it was a direct bolt on my friend's 14 after. no need to even go to the dealer.

Good info..thank you. If anyone is interested in the PCM let me know.

[ACRucrazy]

The next question are all Gen V PCMs interchangeable? Any specific years etc?

[Vette2Viper]

Good info..thank you. If anyone is interested in the PCM let me know.

PM'd

[Smokin]

I have one for sale as well. $450 shipped and its yours.

[TA Two Oh]

The next question are all Gen V PCMs interchangeable? Any specific years etc?
They are not. I believe that there were two different Arrow Controllers in 2015 alone, the difference relating to your vehicle's transmission ratios. (Gears in the transmission, not the rear end ratio; those are all the same) 2015 TA's and TA 2.0's used shorter top gears than other 2015's. I believe earlier Gen V's (13 and 14?) also used the shorter top gears but I don't know if the Controllers are the same so, be careful. When you buy one, new or used, make sure that it's the correct one for your transmission and year.

[Smokin]

They are not. I believe that there are two different Arrow Controllers, the difference relating to your vehicle's transmission ratios. (Gears in the transmission, not the rear end ratio; those are all the same) For instance, 2015 TA's and TA 2.0's used shorter top gears than other 2015's. I believe earlier Gen V's (13 and 14?) also used the shorter top gears. When you buy one, new or used, make sure that it's the correct one for your transmission.

The one I am selling is coming out of a 2016 ACR.....

[Voice of Reason]

I thought there was a hardware change between years vs a difference in transmission ratios that caused the different versions of their PCM? Because people have changed transmission ratios themself and no one has then said it made their PCM break.

[Vette2Viper]

I shot Arrow a message this morning. Waiting to see what the difference is and if they can be reprogrammed and interchanged between years.

[TA Two Oh]

I thought there was a hardware change between years vs a difference in transmission ratios that caused the different versions of their PCM? Because people have changed transmission ratios themself and no one has then said it made their PCM break.

I’m no expert. But I recall Mark from Woodhouse telling me that there were two distinct part numbers for 2015. Perhaps he’ll chime in, or Vette2Viper will advise us after talking to Arrow. Might be a moot point if it’s being reflashed at Arrow anyway. New owner gives them the VIN and they flash the correct tune.

[parabs]

The arrow controller part numbers corresponding to the year of car are found at the bottom of this Woodhouse page.

http://www.woodhousemotorsports.com/dodge-viper-modifications/

[CNU_Physics]

Anyone have any pictures of the pcb of the Arrow module? Just curious

[Vette2Viper]

No word yet from Arrow. I'll call first thing in the morning.

[Space Truckin]

Anyone have any pictures of the pcb of the Arrow module? Just curious

Is this what you are looking for?

29656

[TA Two Oh]

The arrow controller part numbers corresponding to the year of car are found at the bottom of this Woodhouse page.

http://www.woodhousemotorsports.com/dodge-viper-modifications/

Thanks for confirming what I recalled... different part numbers for different trans ratios for vehicles with the same model year. 13-14 year cars also have a different part number than the later 15+ year cars. But perhaps Arrow can flash any part number Controller to match the new owners car?

[CNU_Physics]

Is this what you are looking for?

29656

No, I was looking for a picture with it actually opened. I'm curious to what the circuit board looks like, specifically the memory components.

[Vette2Viper]

I've had no luck contacting Arrow or getting someone from there to give me a call or an email back. Someone else want to try their luck getting a hold of them and asking the question?

[Vette2Viper]

Arrow's lack of response has me worried that if I do buy a used controller that I won't be able to get a hold of them to reprogram. They have instilled anything but confidence in my case.

[SRZ]

I can assure you that it can be reprogrammed - like I mentioned previously, I sold my PCM and it was reprogrammed for the new buyer. Just send them an email. It is year specific however.

[Vette2Viper]

I can assure you that it can be reprogrammed - like I mentioned previously, I sold my PCM and it was reprogrammed for the new buyer. Just send them an email. It is year specific however.

I have no doubt that it can be reprogrammed but that's not the issue I have. I've sent several emails and called and left a voice message for someone to call me back...nothing

[IHOP]

I have no doubt that it can be reprogrammed but that's not the issue I have. I've sent several emails and called and left a voice message for someone to call me back...nothing

I will try on Monday to contact them I'm curious too.

[parabs]

I have no doubt that it can be reprogrammed but that's not the issue I have. I've sent several emails and called and left a voice message for someone to call me back...nothing

A new one is 1100$ or so. If you’re that concerned call Mark Jorgensen or Andy Wheeler and buy a new one.

Secondarily, I don’t think a fellow VOA member is going to jam you out of a few hundred $. That’s a bad look in a small community.

[Vette2Viper]

Business is business. If you can’t call me back or respond to an email why would I want to hire that company. Customer service goes a long way in my book.

My issue isn’t with fellow VOA members. Not sure where you inferred that from.

[Vette2Viper]

I will try on Monday to contact them I'm curious too.

Also more curious than anything now. Most likely going to go through Woodhouse for a new one and skip dealing with Arrow.

[stradman]

Try contacting Scot.Rickord@prefix.com,
Prefix own Arrows and Scot is Program manager at Prefix. If he can't help he'll tell you who to contact.

[Vette2Viper]

Ok, after a week I finally got the answer.

It isn't year specific...Arrow can take any year Gen V ECU, reprogram and make it work for any Gen V, i.e., '16 ECU will work with a '13 car after the Arrow reprogram. The cost is $150 and they have a day or two turnaround.

[IHOP]

Ok, after a week I finally got the answer.

It isn't year specific...Arrow can take any year Gen V ECU, reprogram and make it work for any Gen V, i.e., '16 ECU will work with a '13 car after the Arrow reprogram. The cost is $150 and they have a day or two turnaround.

After being reprogrammed from Arrow does it need to still be installed by the dealer?

[Vette2Viper]

After being reprogrammed from Arrow does it need to still be installed by the dealer?

I believe it still does.

[Space Truckin]

After being reprogrammed from Arrow does it need to still be installed by the dealer?

Yes, it must be taken to dealer...IIRC

[IHOP]

The only reason I ask is someone somewhere in another thread posted that after reprograming by Arrow it didn't need to go to the dealer. But they could have been wrong.

[Quasar Z]

It definitely has to go to the dealer. I took mine to Eddie Martin in Scottsdale after buying it second hand and having Arrow reprogram it to my VIN.

[98intrigue]

I've reprogrammed 2 Arrow PCMs. Unplugged the battery, removed OEM PCM, installed Arrow PCM, connected battery, done. There's no need to take it to the dealership again.

[Vette2Viper]

I've reprogrammed 2 Arrow PCMs. Unplugged the battery, removed OEM PCM, installed Arrow PCM, connected battery, done. There's no need to take it to the dealership again.

Interesting. When I was on the phone with Arrow the guy on the other end said that I would need to give him my VIN along with current mileage. I wonder if when Arrow puts in the mileage it's basically the same thing that the dealership does? But I also thought there was some type of learning to be done for the accelerator?

[dirtyboot]

I spoke with Arrow last week about reinstalling their pcm the former owner had taken out of my car due to warranty concerns(same car, so no vin reprogramming needed). They told me I can plug it in myself, it'll learn mileage and relevant info it needs on it's own.. How true that is I can't speak to, I haven't swapped it in yet.

[Quasar Z]

The directions from Arrow specify that the car needs to have the appropriate scan tool connected to the vehicle to execute the Electronic Throttle Control (ETC) relearn procedure. "Failure to perform the ETC RELEARN procedure will prevent the throttle from responding to accelerator inputs. The engine will run at idle speed only. It will also set a Diagnostic Trouble Code (DTC) and activate the Malfunction Indicator Light (MIL)". This only needs to be done when introducing a new Race Control Module to the car.

You do need to give Arrow your VIN and approximate mileage (which may change if you are going to drive the car to the dealer to have the ETC relearn performed). I followed their directions successfully and had our local Viper guru perform the relearn procedure for $95. It wasn't worth rolling the dice and having my car disabled at home 50 miles from the dealer.

[Vette2Viper]

I got the reflashed ECU back from Arrow with my VIN and mileage updated. Super fast turnaround. I was getting ready to call the dealer and make an appointment but decided to install the ECU to see what would happen. Car started up fine, in fact probably the smoothest I’ve ever had it start, and I let it idle with the A/C on for 2 or 3 mins and did the same with the A/C off. I drove it about 15 miles and no lights came on and I hooked up a scanner to it when I got back home. No codes.