Would you prefer an automatic over a stick in a 6th next generation.

[KRATEDISEASE]

Just a hypothetical question.

This is NOT a thread about a debate over the current gen 5 transmission.
This is NOT a thread or discussion or debate if the gen 6 will even be realized, or if so, what it should be.

As a Hypothetical question...

If the gen 6 is produced in a few years ( say 2018) , and it is EVERYTHING you want it to be in styling, horsepower, price etc

AND if two transmissions were offered like the C7 Z06, a manual and non-DTC traditional automatic,

who goes for the auto and who goes for the manual ?

[J TNT]

At this point in my life I'd say Stick ! But if Health issues cropped up , I could see myself compromising to a DCT . :)

[Viper Girl]

With my knee problems, DTC in a heartbeat...

Love the manuals, but my knee seems to hate the pressure or offset of the Viper clutch.
It's really funny as many Viper owners I know that have bad, or sore arthritic knees, that we don't have that option already.

[KRATEDISEASE]

At this point in my life I'd say Stick ! But if Health issues cropped up , I could see myself compromising to a DCT . :)

Remember. Options are stick or traditional automatic like the C7 Zo6. NO DTC is offered in this hypothetical.

[KRATEDISEASE]

I already own a manual 1997 GTS, so I would opt for the auto to have a different experience and to have a faster car.

[Policy Limits]

Stick.

But DTC if an option. Definitely not a straight automatic, no way, no how

[ACRucrazy]

Auto in a Viper is like a V8 in a Viper. Put the car out of it's misery before neutering it.

[busterbrown]

I'd go for the auto.

[ViperSmith]

Auto no, DCT yes

[viperr]

Stick for me. I enjoy being more involved, but if physical issue arise I would take an automatic so I could continue driving a Viper.

[J TNT]

SRT-Has-No-Plans-to-Make-An-Entry-Level-Viper-7718480

http://www.carbuzz.com/news/2014/2/5/SRT-Has-No-Plans-to-Make-An-Entry-Level-Viper-7718480/
More info :)

[VENOM V]

If it were a high enough performance auto similar to a DCT, I would consider it.

But only if they let me test drive before deciding, lol. I'm dead serious. Take that you anti-test drivers!!!

Just havin fun boys and girls, but I really would need to test drive it before committing.

[Viper Girl]

Venom V how much of a lap time drop would it take on that test drive would impress you enough to buy? LOL just curious..

I can't imagine it full auto without some possibility of shifting...

[Policy Limits]

It's not in the Viper's DNA to be an automatic. It was made in the shadow of the Cobra for god's sake. The cup holder was bad enough don't encourage them lol

[commandomatt]

I would go with the auto. There are enough other electronics that has already tamed the beast, so there is no turning back in that regard

I would enjoy the power going through a performance Auto I think...never drove one

Also, I would certainly still have my 'old' and raw Vipers so I could get my fill of being on the edge and get my heart racing

and just so we are clear....my girl would still prefer the 'old' one when we go out to dinner !

Matt

[Drummerviper]

You'd better step up to the plate and take a swing at the 21st century. Sticks are done. On my new M6 they only offered it in the US.

I know it is wonderfully macho to piss on autos, but DCTs are the only way to go to be competitive. While I love shifting my GTs, they seem antiquated when compared to a 458 which is instantaneous.

This discussion will be from a bygone era in a few years.

[Space Truckin]

Auto in a Viper is like a V8 in a Viper. Put the car out of it's misery before neutering it.

There are clubs for normal players, and there are clubs that are harder to hit, for pros.

^^^WHAT HE SAID^^^ X2 :t1236:

[slitherv10]

Traditional Auto..no way....

Stick would be the option in that case.

[Policy Limits]

Maybe a dual clutch tranny like the SLS but it would still need to actually be shifted and driven by the operator. Straight auto equals fail.

[Bitten]

NO NEVER EVER EVER! I won't buy a vehicle that I can't get a manual transmission in! I have even ordered both my Jeep wranglers with a six speed manual.

I would go back to the Gen 3/4 if I had to!!! And they are easy to work on!

[Policy Limits]

So cool to hear a female owner talk this way!

Rock on!

[Troublemaker]

NO NEVER EVER EVER! I won't buy a vehicle that I can't get a manual transmission in! I have even ordered both my Jeep wranglers with a six speed manual.

I would go back to the Gen 3/4 if I had to!!! And they are easy to work on!

It's interesting that you say that, I had to special order my Rubicon to get the 6speed. I would hate to see Vipers offered as automatics, but I honestly think this car needs to evolve to survive. I'm not saying I want to see the Viper take that route either, but I think they are in a different position this time and the car needs to be profitable.

[randd]

I would like to see a choice of transmissions offered, test drive both to compare. My G5 is going to become an almost DD. In my 2nd of ownership and I am taking it to work 3 times a week now. I am over the anxiety of parking it among other cars and driving in rain. Happy to rack up the miles....so auto might not be bad for my needs.

[Coloviper]

Well First, that article was just poor. Talk about twisting words and trying to take things out of context.

Second, Viper will always have a V10......period.

Third, Viper will have a DCT by 2015 or 2016.......maybe in ACR only (just as ONLY configuration of GTSR and GT3) as unveiled as a start with later options in all models in the following years. A manual controlled DCT that still requires you to change all gears falls in line with the heart of Viper. Requires you to have full attention on driving and be fully connected to car which is intent of Viper.

If tranny or more likely a special variant of tranny is unique to Viper only, that is another Viper only unique piece of equipment to make it special.

We and SRT all know Viper would sell more and might even hit it's targets with that option alone as well as convertible, ACR models so reality is like it or not, it is probably coming. FIAT Chrysler Association owns 3 transmission companies so foolish to even think it is not being worked on right not.

Price of car will be up there. Think price of a full loaded GTS car but off an SRT model would be realistic. Suspect it would be a $15k to $20k option price.

[Joel]

You know this is just silly. If a Viper was offered with both transmissions, you could still buy a stick shift. I'm sure both versions could be equipped with a testosterone filled beverage cup holder as another option - just so we'd feel safe...

[VENOM V]

Venom V how much of a lap time drop would it take on that test drive would impress you enough to buy? LOL just curious..

I can't imagine it full auto without some possibility of shifting...

Believe me I was asking myself the same question, lol. I think I would choose the transmission that gave me the most enjoyable tracking experience over the best lap times.

Although I'm presently and always have been a stick man, my best friend is a long time track rat. He's tracked my Viper, used to own a Porsche Cup Car among other track cars and presently owns a Ferrari 458 with a DCT. He loves my Viper, but has a knee issue which means he can only consider an auto. Sound familiar? :-)

But even if he didn't have a knee issue, he would choose a DCT. He says it doesn't at all detract from the tracking enjoyment, in fact a well executed DCT is absolutely awesome in his opinion. And nobody in an unmodded car could touch him at Buttonwillow as he clicked off 1:59s and 2:00s all day on street tires no less.

If the Viper came with a world class DCT, I would consider it very seriously. And though I might still choose the stick, a DCT will open up sales to a wider market. I want the Viper program to thrive and be well funded in the future. That only happens if it sells well enough to turn a decent profit. A DCT should be in the Viper's future, in fact it may be inevitable.

[VENOM V]

You know this is just silly. If a Viper was offered with both transmissions, you could still buy a stick shift. I'm sure both versions could be equipped with a testosterone filled beverage cup holder as another option - just so we'd feel safe...

Haha! Agree 100%

[72hemi]

Personally I would only buy a manual transmission, but that has more to do with the fact that I don't like automatic transmissions (or DCT) in general.

[Bitten]

It's interesting that you say that, I had to special order my Rubicon to get the 6speed. I would hate to see Vipers offered as automatics, but I honestly think this car needs to evolve to survive. I'm not saying I want to see the Viper take that route either, but I think they are in a different position this time and the car needs to be profitable.


I ordered my 09 Sahara and my 13 Rubicon because the dealers are scared to stock them.


Policy Limits, thanks!

[BlknBlu]

I really like the idea of both as options. I prefer a manual transmission for the driving experience, but the new paddle shifters are far better for the track and the shifts are smooth and fast.

Bruce

[rw99]

It's a Viper. I'd only own it if it had three pedals.

[Newport Viper]

I want the Viper program to thrive and be well funded in the future.

Amen!

[VoodooRob]

I hope the car eventually can be ordered with a stick or DCT. If you want a stick shift order or buy one that way, don't see the issue. As long as a stick is an option, who cares what the other options are? If your a purist order it that way, done deal. This will be a mute point in a few years when they are offering DCT and a Stick option, or the car will die a slow archaic death. Even Harley had to make options available to keep their market share and appeal to a broader buying audience. Look at them now.

[BigBadViper]

I am putting an auto in my Gen 2 as we speak. I would definitely order an auto. I never really get the whole "thrill" of driving a stick. I have 2 vipers and a lambo that are all 6 speeds. No big deal really.

[Chorps]

I'd like to see what the C7 Z06 automatic is like before saying anything.

For a 'slush box' they are making some strong performance claims out of it, that it shifts faster than Porsche's DCT and can handle a huge amount of torque.

Also the automatic deals with cylinder deactivation much better (yeah yeah, real men run all their cylinders all the time), and is more graceful in stop and go traffic.

[fastmd]

You'd better step up to the plate and take a swing at the 21st century. Sticks are done. On my new M6 they only offered it in the US.

I know it is wonderfully macho to piss on autos, but DCTs are the only way to go to be competitive. While I love shifting my GTs, they seem antiquated when compared to a 458 which is instantaneous.

This discussion will be from a bygone era in a few years.

This ^ is true.

[daveg]

"Automatic's are for people who don't like to drive" Road and Track magazine.

[VENOM V]

"Automatic's are for people who don't like to drive" Road and Track magazine.

I used to agree. Times have changed, and my mind changed with them. Do you think all of the Porsche track rats wheeling their PDK Porsches don't like to drive? Some of the most hardcore track rats I know drive DCTs.

It's pretty obvious that even if the Viper is offered with a DCT, they will keep the option for a stick. No one should have an issue with that.

[Viper Girl]

I am putting an auto in my Gen 2 as we speak. I would definitely order an auto. I never really get the whole "thrill" of driving a stick. I have 2 vipers and a lambo that are all 6 speeds. No big deal really.
that should be a thread of it's own... sending you a PM.

[VoodooRob]

"Automatic's are for people who don't like to drive" Road and Track magazine.

Archaic thinking

[KRATEDISEASE]

If the 2015 C7 Corvette Z06 was only offered with a manual, I would 100% pass on the car. I am only interested because it has the auto. would be cooler as a DCT, but if it shifts as claimed then no matter.

[VENOM V]

If the 2015 C7 Corvette Z06 was only offered with a manual, I would 100% pass on the car. I am only interested because it has the auto. would be cooler as a DCT, but if it shifts as claimed then no matter.

That's valid, in fact I have several friends that need autos (knee issues). A lot of eyes will be on that auto. I would imagine that it won't be quite in the league of a true DCT, but will wait and see with an open mind.

For the Viper though, it had better be the best of the best, approaching the DCT in the 458 or a PDK. Otherwise, hello stick!

[daveg]

If the 2015 C7 Corvette Z06 was only offered with a manual, I would 100% pass on the car. I am only interested because it has the auto. would be cooler as a DCT, but if it shifts as claimed then no matter.
Krate, how goes it... Thanks for the rims and tires... Again, much appreciated!
I have the reverse philosophy. I would never buy a sports car of any sort without a stick. Call me old fashion. Just something about it.. If I want auto, Ill hop in my fathers Cadillac or my wife's Lexus. I am 52 now and learned on a Stick (Dodge Power Wagon) Maybe I just want more control over what I am doing and when to do it and like to be busy. Could be just me though.

[slitherv10]

Resistance is futile.

The stick/manual tranny will be obsolete in the year 2045 whether or not you guys like it or not. This is the 2045 SRT Viper in Venom red and DCT

3086

[05Commemorative]

I do think we do it a disservice when called an "automatic" or "slushbox". Those were the transmissions 20yrs ago.

rather a DCT or fast shifting auto, the trick/experience is the paddles and shifting manually. You still do control the car, just with both hands and no left foot (for a clutch atleast).

Sure, if you want to just put in auto mode, I guess some folks comments are valid. As a fan of the manual, it is difficult, but these new trannies are definitely faster and a performance upgrade, which is what I thought most Viper owners want (all about the performance, remember).

[BLUEVIPER]

I would only want a 6 speed in my viper...but with that said an auto (of some form) with paddles should absolutely be an option. Most of my friends are getting older and no longer want to fuss with shifting (manually) but they want the paddle shift option. But it is more than that. The latest paddles (and all that comes with that...adjustable suspension, exhaust note, etc) offer a wide range of appeal. My daily driver is an Audi S6 with paddles my friend has a 458 with paddles that I have driven (he used to be a Viper guy) and boy they are offer it all....your just a couple settings away from "comfort driving" in a social evening out with the wife (and kids) to "alone by yourself to work" in the sports mode paddle shifting away red-line to red-line and having a blast...the more SRT has to offer..the more customers they will have....

[Late Apex]

I expect paddles by then but forget an automatic ever happening. Vette stuff.

[slitherv10]

I wonder how much a DCT can handle Torque wise and how much it would cost to re and re one of those when they do break !

Is it suitable for the dragstrip?

[KRATEDISEASE]

I wonder how much a DCT can handle Torque wise and how much it would cost to re and re one of those when they do break !

Is it suitable for the dragstrip?

the Nissan GTR is designed to drag raced with a DTC .--- the tranny ( transmission, - not a shemale) is $20G to replace as I am told.

[KRATEDISEASE]

Krate, how goes it... Thanks for the rims and tires... Again, much appreciated!
I have the reverse philosophy. I would never buy a sports car of any sort without a stick. Call me old fashion. Just something about it.. If I want auto, Ill hop in my fathers Cadillac or my wife's Lexus. I am 52 now and learned on a Stick (Dodge Power Wagon) Maybe I just want more control over what I am doing and when to do it and like to be busy. Could be just me though.

Dave, glad the wheels worked out well.

I am you age, but already have a stick in my 1997. ( just like you )

I would keep my 1997 Viper with stick and not sell it, but if I buy a new performance car I would just add to my stable.

and that would be either a C7 Corvette Z06 or a new Viper, but regardless my new purchase would have to have a DTC or auto

[KRATEDISEASE]

It's not in the Viper's DNA to be an automatic. It was made in the shadow of the Cobra for god's sake. The cup holder was bad enough don't encourage them lol

Policy, you asked me what a magazine is.....

And I am asking you what a stick is !!

You say print is dead

I say the stick ( and a crank window) is dead.

[slitherv10]

the Nissan GTR is designed to drag raced with a DTC .--- the tranny ( transmission, - not a shemale) is $20G to replace as I am told.

So on that note,

How would a Viper with DCT or similar for that matter, take towards the enthusiast who likes to drag race these cars, track them hard and or SC, TT etc...when replacing such a unit would be ridiculous.
Would it make sense to put such an expensive unit in a Viper considering its past heritage as a modifiers dream car?

[KRATEDISEASE]

So on that note,

How would a Viper with DCT or similar for that matter, take towards the enthusiast who likes to drag race these cars, track them hard and or SC, TT etc...when replacing such a unit would be ridiculous.
Would it make sense to put such an expensive unit in a Viper considering its past heritage as a modifiers dream car?

if it was stock 700HP with a DTC , no need to modify..... and repair costs are what a dealer service contract/extended warranty is for.

[slitherv10]

if it was stock 700HP with a DTC , no need to modify..... and repair costs are what a dealer service contract/extended warranty is for.

You know as well as I do, when it reaches 700Hp with a DTC, the competitors will do better, thus, bringing about the naysayers again as to how it should have had 800Hp..its never enough, you know that and have quoted that in the past if I remember correctly.

As far as service contract/extended warranty is concerned, that is another reason Fiat.dodge.SRT would be hesitant at this point and in the future I would think to put such an expensive piece of technology (DCT) and warranty it. It would be costly for sure. Can you imagine a recall on those things?

[ViperSmith]

Warranties do not cover racing.

[KRATEDISEASE]

Warranties do not cover racing.

define racing.

I do not see how " racing" would be determined to void a claim.

[ViperSmith]

define racing.

I do not see how " racing" would be determined to void a claim.

people post the dumbest shit on youtube now a day


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=olTGNCOu4qk

[slitherv10]

define racing.

I do not see how " racing" would be determined to void a claim.

Agreed

Smashing your car in turn one at the track, may be another story, but, wrecking my tranny ( not shemale), you tow it home and presto, its covered.

[Marble]

it is more than that. The latest paddles (and all that comes with that...adjustable suspension, exhaust note, etc) offer a wide range of appeal. My daily driver is an Audi S6 with paddles my friend has a 458 with paddles that I have driven (he used to be a Viper guy) and boy they are offer it all....

[Mopar Boy]

Let's put it this way:

I converted my first automatic Ram to a 24 speed semi truck style twin stick.

I liked it so much I added a 24 speed into my other Ram as well. LOL

Stick ftw! ;)

http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo242/MoparBoy1/W250/e4e69243.jpg (http://s380.photobucket.com/user/MoparBoy1/media/W250/e4e69243.jpg.html)

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:D:dancingman:

[J TNT]

Holy Gear Changes Batman ........lol ! ;)
Nice Work . :)

[KRATEDISEASE]

Let's put it this way:

I converted my first automatic Ram to a 24 speed semi truck style twin stick.

I liked it so much I added a 24 speed into my other Ram as well. LOL

Stick ftw! ;)


:D:dancingman:

That is one of the coolest thing I have ever seen !! AMAZING !!

[KRATEDISEASE]

So on that note,

How would a Viper with DCT or similar for that matter, take towards the enthusiast who likes to drag race these cars, track them hard and or SC, TT etc...when replacing such a unit would be ridiculous.
Would it make sense to put such an expensive unit in a Viper considering its past heritage as a modifiers dream car?


For example the Nissan GTR DCT transmission is designed to be drag launched repetitively. There was an issue with the early models in that the transmission would fail because owners would bypass the traction control on launch to get faster times but damage the transmission. The owners manual stated that the car was not to be launched with the traction control disabled/off. Unfortunately, this information was just inside the owners manual on one page that most people never read. After that fiasco, where Nissan had to cover many warranty claims, Nissan had the dealers make all new owners sign a single page disclaimer upon purchase/delivery that the traction control was not to be turned off on launch, and then the next year reprogrammed the computers so that it could not be turned off at all on launch. Since the reprogramming the transmissions have been bulletproof.

I read that a lot of Nissan GTR owners blew their tranny ( NOT oral sex with a shemale in the passenger seat) and had issues with Nissan covering the repair because the Nissan ECU computer stores all the launch data and Nissan was able to prove that the traction control was shut off on launching the car in all the tranny failures.

[slitherv10]

[QUOTE=KRATEDISEASE;30974]For example the Nissan GTR DCT transmission is designed to be drag launched repetitively. There was an issue with the early models in that the transmission would fail because owners would bypass the traction control on launch to get faster times but damage the transmission. The owners manual stated that the car was not to be launched with the traction control disabled/off. Unfortunately, this information was just inside the owners manual on one page that most people never read. After that fiasco, where Nissan had to cover many warranty claims, Nissan had the dealers make all new owners sign a single page disclaimer upon purchase/delivery that the traction control was not to be turned off on launch, and then the next year reprogrammed the computers so that it could not be turned off at all on launch. Since the reprogramming the transmissions have been bulletproof.

Wow, quite interesting. Great information there Krate. Interesting how Nissan can put a DCT together and still offer a more technologically advanced car than the Viper for the same money. I am sure that has something to do with Nissan and their funds but, it should not be that much more difficult for SRT to put something together for the Viper in the near future.
They can't keep making the same transmission, engine and what not forever. They have to change up some time. When they do, it will be costly. Adding changes gradually will break up the costs and make it more feasible.
This of course is assuming SRT lasts that long (hopefully).

[J TNT]

The Engineers at SRT , are smarter than people give them credit for ! The Datsun GTR Transmission is ok , but at $1100.00 for transmission oil , plus labour strikes me has High maintenance ! Add in some track time and it's plus, plus ,plus . I've had 2 friends sell there Datsun GTR cars , only to get back into Domestic's ! fwiw .

[ViperSmith]

Wow, quite interesting. Great information there Krate. Interesting how Nissan can put a DCT together and still offer a more technologically advanced car than the Viper for the same money. I am sure that has something to do with Nissan and their funds but, it should not be that much more difficult for SRT to put something together for the Viper in the near future.
They can't keep making the same transmission, engine and what not forever. They have to change up some time. When they do, it will be costly. Adding changes gradually will break up the costs and make it more feasible.
This of course is assuming SRT lasts that long (hopefully).

The big difference is Nissan is willing to dump large sums of money into developing the GT-R.

Ideally, SRT should pitch the Viper as a "test bed" for future Chrysler development, using it to develop ground breaking technologies it can push into other Chrysler vehicles.

That is really the only way SRT can make the Viper an "investment" for Fiat.

[Hiss Highness]

how much room is there in the tunnel for the 8 speed auto?, hear the new 11 speed auto is almost ready. 11 speed auto would be a interesting drive. or they could go off the deep end and make an insane mid engine v10 viper

[KRATEDISEASE]

The big difference is Nissan is willing to dump large sums of money into developing the GT-R.

Ideally, SRT should pitch the Viper as a "test bed" for future Chrysler development, using it to develop ground breaking technologies it can push into other Chrysler vehicles.

That is really the only way SRT can make the Viper an "investment" for Fiat.

100% correct. This how Corvette functions for GM as a premier halo car to show off their best technology. Same with high end Caddys.

[ACRucrazy]

The GT-R can keep it's $25,000 transmission. The Viper is doing just fine with it's $3,000 transmission. Give me a stick and $22k spent elsewhere.

11 speed mid engine v-10 SRT? Sure why not. Just don't put the Viper badge on it.

[Mopar Boy]

Holy Gear Changes Batman ........lol ! ;)
Nice Work . :)



That is one of the coolest thing I have ever seen !! AMAZING !!


LOL Thanks. I think "far gone" is the words most people use though to describe me/the truck. :D

[Schen]

Umm, no. The issue with the GT-R wasn't turning off the traction control, it was putting the car into launch mode and the amount of load the trans itself could take. Remember AWD and the same automatic shared in the Veyron. The trans is very capable of handling the power but it still has a breaking point much like half shafts on a LX do. It was originally designed to get out of sticky situations like snow since the GT-R was designed as a multi-performance car, that's why they've become the daily drivers in the supercar world. RPM's where higher in the launch year vs 2010 and the computer was then revised. The car was fully capable of running it's 0-60 times without the use of Launch Control.

If you haven't noticed by now, Launch Control on the Gen V is very similar to that of a 09' GT-R. It's a RWD, 6-spd manual and for the first time includes traction control too. Since we had revised government rules, taming the car first was the first thing on the list. So I only expect it to improve.

--RS


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w1bHGaV-Lvw

[KRATEDISEASE]

I am NO expert, and do not claim to be BUT, this is what I read.... that the Nissan said owners were launching the car with the VDC ( stability control) and was causing transmission failures. I do NOT want to debate this issue, because i do not own a Nissan GTR so I really do not care if their transmissions blow up or last 300K miles.

I just do not want to look like I am totally uninformed, but it appears that my original post was correct. 1) transmissions on the GTR broke due to owners launching while to VDC ( stability control) was turned off. 2) Nissan reprogrammed the cars with a recall or TSB to prevent the owners from disabling the VDC on launch 3) Future owners had to sign a disclosure form that they were made aware of this issue. Here is the stuff from autoblog

"According to the dealer directive (below) and a subsequent report by InsideLine, Nissan has begun implementing a software change on around 50 GT-Rs awaiting dealer delivery, along with "vigorous encouragement" for current owners to bring their vehicles in for reprogramming. The onboard computer modification will supposedly offer "acceleration similar to that with the current launch control," but will do so without disabling the Vehicle Dynamic Control (VDC). At launch, revs will be reduced from 4,500 rpm to somewhere between 3,000 and 3,500 rpm and the clutch engagement has been reprogrammed to limit driveline stress. And this isn't just for Stateside GT-Rs. All the vehicles sold from here on out, no matter the country, will use the revised programming.

Nissan North America's chief of product public relations, Scott Vazin, told IL that the situation, "...has been blown way out of proportion." And according to Nissan, less than 1% of the vehicles – between 16 and 19 cars out of the 1,750-1,800 GT-Rs delivered to customers in the U.S. – have been affected. Furthermore, Nissan is sticking to its guns about disabling VDC, making it clear that the only time the system should be turned off is when the vehicle is stuck in the mud or snow. To make sure that point is driven home, a revised customer disclosure form will be required for all new GT-R sales from this point forward."

Whatever... NOT VIPER related.

[VRYALT3R3D]

Unless you're buying a dedicated track car, your car will spend 99% of the time on the street, where those tenths of a second saved by the flappy paddle transmission will mean absolutely nothing, and you will have a car that feels less involved and will ultimately be less satisfying to drive.

[Joel]

Mopar Boy you really have too much time on your hands. Did you ever find a steam locomotive or riverboat to restore? I'm starting to wonder if I move to Canada will I finally finish all my projects...

[KRATEDISEASE]

Unless you're buying a dedicated track car, your car will spend 99% of the time on the street, where those tenths of a second saved by the flappy paddle transmission will mean absolutely nothing, and you will have a car that feels less involved and will ultimately be less satisfying to drive.

True, but its exhausting to drive stick in NYCity on a daily basis or as a daily driver.

[Mopar Boy]

Mopar Boy you really have too much time on your hands. Did you ever find a steam locomotive or riverboat to restore? I'm starting to wonder if I move to Canada will I finally finish all my projects...

LOL I know. That's why I don't have a significant other. :D

No. But I did decide to restore that 24' long pickup with 1500 ft lbs in it. :D

[Joel]

Yes, I seem to remember a few hundred pictures of your "pickup" resto and mod, and then mod some more, and some more, and some more... I think that much torque qualifies as a locomotive.


LOL I know. That's why I don't have a significant other. :D

No. But I did decide to restore that 24' long pickup with 1500 ft lbs in it. :D

[VRYALT3R3D]

True, but its exhausting to drive stick in NYCity on a daily basis or as a daily driver.

The clutch is very light on the Gen V. As light as the Fiesta ST I test dove. It is very manageable. The Gen V also has hill assist so you don't roll back.

[KRATEDISEASE]

The clutch is very light on the Gen V. As light as the Fiesta ST I test dove. It is very manageable. The Gen V also has hill assist so you don't roll back.

I still prefer automatic transmission assist.

[VRYALT3R3D]

I still prefer automatic transmission assist.

I drive in dense traffic as well. I guess it really boils down to your planned usage for the Viper.

[KRATEDISEASE]

I drive in dense traffic as well. I guess it really boils down to your planned usage for the Viper.

It takes me 30mins to travel 5 miles the majority during rush hour.

stick just does not work