Gen V Supercharger

[outnumbered]

Maybe I missed it, but what ever happened to this? I remember there being an advertisement of a twin screw coming, but it never did. Does anyone know if one was actually ever made?

[ViperPete]

Sledgehammer never made it to production.

There is a procharger setup for sale that you can install yourself if you want. That's what i am gonna do.

Here it is: https://www.d3peparts.com/product-p/d3pe-genv-f1xsc.htm

https://www.d3peparts.com/product-p/d3pe-genv-f1xsc.htm

[V10powerr]

tempting
does anyone know if they provide some sort of warranty if they install it themselves

[DZnutz]

Um call them and ask? Seriously would have taken less time to make a call than post on here and you would have definitely received an answer much faster

[donk_316]

I would call Nth or Calvo. Those guys are still active in the Viper community. D3 was first on the scene and then disappeared off forums nearly as quick.

[dakotagoon]

A&C is installing a D3 procharger with hc and exhaust for me this fall.

[outnumbered]

Sledgehammer never made it to production.

There is a procharger setup for sale that you can install yourself if you want. That's what i am gonna do.

Here it is: https://www.d3peparts.com/product-p/d3pe-genv-f1xsc.htm

https://www.d3peparts.com/product-p/d3pe-genv-f1xsc.htm

I was aware of that one, and have considered it over doing H/C. Just wondered.

[Vipes]

Um call them and ask? Seriously would have taken less time to make a call than post on here and you would have definitely received an answer much faster

Did you think the OP forgot he had a phone? He probably wanted some reviews to come with the answer and to form a discussion with others.

[J TNT]

Did you think the OP forgot he had a phone? He probably wanted some reviews to come with the answer and to form a discussion with others.

Too Funny !!! :witless:

[Topplayer]

I would love to hear from anyone with first hand experience

[ViperPete]

I want the D3 kit because i can install it myself. I don't want to crack open the engine for H&C....

[camarochevy1970]

I would love to hear from anyone with first hand experience

Same here

[slowhatch]

Maybe things have changed, however last I heard of it D3 could never get the cars running right on HPtuners, period. The goal of their kit was to be a cheaper bolt-on setup ala the Paxton kits for the gen 3. Problem is with the HPtuners still in beta, there was always band-aids and workarounds in the tuning department that never really bore fruit. Most early adopters of the kit ended up frustrated and moving to a full Motec standalone to get the cars running right. Obviously it is no longer a "cheap" solution when you talk about throwing in a standalone.

A&C has done a lot with Hptuners as of late, and has been installing D3's blower kits on their own H&C packaged cars, yet i dont know what work-arounds are implemented to get the cars running right.

[ViperPete]

Description says that it comes with a base calibration file. I wonder if they got it running right after all.

[texasram]

https://driveviper.com/forums/threads/17274-Getting-Ready-For-2k17-F1X-Procharger-Nitrous-Build
This guy is in Louisiana and explains what a pain it is to install the d3 kit yourself, he actually doesnt recommend tackling it unless youre fully set up

[texasram]

The sledgehammer would have been awesome in itself minus the price. A twin screw? theres no better belt blower than that.

[ACR]

I would not recommend anything from D3 look at what happened to SolidViper, over a year

https://driveviper.com/forums/threads/11868-Finally-my-ACR-at-D3-Engineering-Performance

[outnumbered]

I would not recommend anything from D3 look at what happened to SolidViper, over a year

https://driveviper.com/forums/threads/11868-Finally-my-ACR-at-D3-Engineering-Performance

I thought there was thread about this! Thanks for resurrecting.

[Murpowa]

It appears there is still hope for the sledgehammer or some type of variant. Andy at Viperexchange posted this yesterday

https://www.instagram.com/p/BaZlPjgHDeJ/?hl=en&taken-by=1flatout1

[PROSPEED]

I wanted to step in here and clear up a couple of things:

1 - We have not been active on this forum as we have been so busy, to be honest most of our business is done through email and facebook, its just a quicker way to get things done versus the forum.

2 - We were the first and still the only supercharger option for the gen 5 Viper, we have had these working on many cars for quite sometime.

3 - We were the first to get a boosted application working without issues on the stock pcm, however due to the way you have to get things to work in the stock pcm we dont recommend going over our base 750 HP package, this is just our opinion, but we have had some dealers like Todd at A&C who have installed these and made way more than that, again its really up to your tuner on what they feel comfortable.

4 - As stated before, the installation is not easy and we recommend having it professionally installed, but we have sold a chunk of them to customers who have handled the install themselves without issues. Space is tight on these cars in front of the engine, so there is alot of components in a small area since we run a dedicated belt drive.

5 - The thread with the 1500HP ACR we built was brought up, that car has been done and we are waiting on the 15" wheel conversion to show up from Calvo. To be completly transparent on that car, we had some issues with our motor program, we got all of that fixed and the car is an absolute beast, it will ship soon to its new home in Kuwait.

6 - So far we have ran a best of 9.35 @ 157mph on a completely bone stock engine, stock h pattern 6 speed, and full weight with our supercharger system.

[Neoex]

Little bit off topic, but I see these people doing lots of engines mods, but have not heard of anything with the clutch. Is there a known HP limit on the stock clutch?

[Scott_in_fl]

6 - So far we have ran a best of 9.35 @ 157mph on a completely bone stock engine, stock h pattern 6 speed, and full weight with our supercharger system.

Holy Shiiiiite! That's movin'!

In for some follow up discussion here re: how this might be a reliable alternative to H&C. I have to assume that heat soak is an issue as with all forced induction. So, on a street car, you might just never see full power with one of these things.

[gmiles]

Back when mine had a stock clutch, D3 did a few dyno pulls with mine at 1000hp (while waiting for the new clutch to arrive) and it held fine...

[gmiles]

[QUOTE=slowhatch;318377]Maybe things have changed, however last I heard of it D3 could never get the cars running right on HPtuners, period. The goal of their kit was to be a cheaper bolt-on setup ala the Paxton kits for the gen 3. Problem is with the HPtuners still in beta, there was always band-aids and workarounds in the tuning department that never really bore fruit. Most early adopters of the kit ended up frustrated and moving to a full Motec standalone to get the cars running right. Obviously it is no longer a "cheap" solution when you talk about throwing in a standalone.

I had zero issues with the HP tuning on my D3 750 kit. IF you are on a budget the D3 Prospeed 750 package is awesome. I topped it off with nitrous to get 1000whp. If you are not on a budget go to the TT Setup.
I was not frustrated but did move to a motec due to WHP Greed went with a smaller pulley and much more.. IF you are looking for a daily whp of greater than 850whp.. go TT.. it seems to be a bit less complex believe it or not... I think I was the second Prospeed 750 customer...
Opinions vary... that is mine. Anybody need a HPT tuner cable. ;-)

[Fulltilt]

Is the 750 kit 750rwhp? Regardless of the computer, how much boost can a stock Gen 5 take on 91 octane? If there are several of these cars out there running, how come we never see them? I'm not trying to start a war, just curious. I know JMB has built at least 1 Procharged GTS but there are only a couple of videos out there of it from +2 years ago. It would be nice to know if the crank snout issue is still a concern. Whipple>Procharger>Paxton.

[MinGrey02Stg2]

[QUOTE=slowhatch;318377]Maybe things have changed, however last I heard of it D3 could never get the cars running right on HPtuners, period. The goal of their kit was to be a cheaper bolt-on setup ala the Paxton kits for the gen 3. Problem is with the HPtuners still in beta, there was always band-aids and workarounds in the tuning department that never really bore fruit. Most early adopters of the kit ended up frustrated and moving to a full Motec standalone to get the cars running right. Obviously it is no longer a "cheap" solution when you talk about throwing in a standalone.

I had zero issues with the HP tuning on my D3 750 kit. IF you are on a budget the D3 Prospeed 750 package is awesome. I topped it off with nitrous to get 1000whp. If you are not on a budget go to the TT Setup.
I was not frustrated but did move to a motec due to WHP Greed went with a smaller pulley and much more.. IF you are looking for a daily whp of greater than 850whp.. go TT.. it seems to be a bit less complex believe it or not... I think I was the second Prospeed 750 customer...
Opinions vary... that is mine. Anybody need a HPT tuner cable. ;-)

What was the highest HP they achieved with HP tuners and no nitrous? What issues were the tuners running into that necessitated the move to the Motec?

[gmiles]

[QUOTE=gmiles;323743]

What was the highest HP they achieved with HP tuners and no nitrous? What issues were the tuners running into that necessitated the move to the Motec?

Mine was at 750whp w/o Nitrous HPTuned. D3 experimented with higher but deemed it not safe. Have to ask them, something about the MAF...and engine safety concerns.
Crank snout has been fine so far. I'm running a smaller upper pulley currently about 880whp on pump and 990 on C16, 1288 with Nitrous. Again, had I planned on this level of hp to begin with, I would have TT'd. Scope creep.

Car is pretty quick and fun to drive.

G

[slowhatch]

[QUOTE=gmiles;323743]

What was the highest HP they achieved with HP tuners and no nitrous? What issues were the tuners running into that necessitated the move to the Motec?

It had something to do with MAF flowrates and it going into limp mode consistently if i remember correctly.

[OTHER SNAKE OWNER]

The sledgehammer would have been awesome in itself minus the price. A twin screw? theres no better belt blower than that.

Not necessarily true on twin screw being the best. That is a very subjective topic. It depends on what the owner wants in the net result of the RWHP/RWTQ result/the powerband location throughout the RPM band. Of the supercharged option types, I personally believe the roots style is better than a twin screw. Root style blowers (like the VMP TVS for 03/04 Cobras) continually out perform twin screws (Whipples/KB's) in RWTQ results every time (what matters to me. Horsepower for show, torque for go!), on cars that exact same mods or like for like mods (engine compression, cam specs, exhaust setup, AFR at WOT, timing degrees, fuel type, etc). I have a Whipple 2.9L/Crusher intake on my Terminator (making 681/598 on E85, factory motor, 3.5" upper/2lb lower, longtubes/no cats/2.5" piping, 16 PSI with 11.2 AFR at WOT on 20* timing) and wish that TVS made a "medium sized" blower (bigger than their current 2.3L offering, but not over 3.2L), because the VMP TVS's out torque me all day (provided they are spun higher than mine (more boost PSI/different pulley combo) due to the fact they are only 2.3L.

Some people may think a centri style is the best because they like that late kick similar to how a turbo comes in late (all street driving scenarios, not on a trans brake building boost say like at the strip)

[JR@Prospeed]

Here is a parts break down of our Prospeed F1X GEN V Viper system.
This system with a factory crank pulley is good for 750whp on 93 octane fuel.
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[8400cc]

A&C is installing a D3 procharger with hc and exhaust for me this fall.

What is the expected whp for this setup ?

[texasram]

Here is a parts break down of our Prospeed F1X GEN V Viper system.
This system with a factory crank pulley is good for 750whp on 93 octane fuel.
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Nice, are the only tuning options still HP and MoTec?

[texasram]

Not necessarily true on twin screw being the best. That is a very subjective topic. It depends on what the owner wants in the net result of the RWHP/RWTQ result/the powerband location throughout the RPM band. Of the supercharged option types, I personally believe the roots style is better than a twin screw. Root style blowers (like the VMP TVS for 03/04 Cobras) continually out perform twin screws (Whipples/KB's) in RWTQ results every time (what matters to me. Horsepower for show, torque for go!), on cars that exact same mods or like for like mods (engine compression, cam specs, exhaust setup, AFR at WOT, timing degrees, fuel type, etc). I have a Whipple 2.9L/Crusher intake on my Terminator (making 681/598 on E85, factory motor, 3.5" upper/2lb lower, longtubes/no cats/2.5" piping, 16 PSI with 11.2 AFR at WOT on 20* timing) and wish that TVS made a "medium sized" blower (bigger than their current 2.3L offering, but not over 3.2L), because the VMP TVS's out torque me all day (provided they are spun higher than mine (more boost PSI/different pulley combo) due to the fact they are only 2.3L.

Some people may think a centri style is the best because they like that late kick similar to how a turbo comes in late (all street driving scenarios, not on a trans brake building boost say like at the strip)

i was talking in terms of parasitic losses mainly. So pound for pound, a twin screw is best

[Redx]

Here is a parts break down of our Prospeed F1X GEN V Viper system.
This system with a factory crank pulley is good for 750whp on 93 octane fuel.
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So when are you doing a gen 4 fitting?

[Vipes]

Kit looks like great quality. Any idea how much weight this adds?

[JR@Prospeed]

What is the expected whp for this setup ?
750whp on 93 octane!:United_States:

[JR@Prospeed]

Nice, are the only tuning options still HP and MoTec?
PROEFI as well ! Its also a more cost effective solution than MOTEC.
We like to stay around the 750 mark with the factory ECU. ;)

[hans christian]

What about fuel starvation

[JR@Prospeed]

Here is the upgrade from our base Propseed 750 system
System includes:
-ATI Super Damper Pulley
-CAD designed blower pulley adapter
-Metco blower pulley ring (many sizes to choose from)
- CAD designed water pump pulley
-Gates RPM belt
-ARP balancer bolt

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[nwa_viper]

Is this sold as a tuner kit or bolt-on with tuning?

[JR@Prospeed]

Is this sold as a tuner kit or bolt-on with tuning?
Professional installation & a qualified tuner is recommended.
We do not offer a canned tune but might be able to provide a base file with HP tuners to get it started.

[IHOP]

Cost for the kit itself?

[ViperPete]

Hallelujah! Worth the wait I hope. Whats this gonna cost? 8-9k or so?

[texasram]

Hallelujah! Worth the wait I hope. Whats this gonna cost? 8-9k or so?

Maybe for a coyote. This one will definitely be between 13k and 18k

[8400cc]

750whp on 93 octane!:United_States:

I meant the procharger plus heads,cam and exhaust. 850 whp perhaps ?

[JR@Prospeed]

Cost for the kit itself?
$13k w/o injectors or tuning.

[IHOP]

$13k w/o injectors or tuning.

Pretty good, do you have any dyno graphs?

[texasram]

$13k w/o injectors or tuning.

Man i'm good

[serpent]

Viper tax bud. TT kit install and tune are 30k+.

[Vipes]

Viper tax bud. TT kit install and tune are 30k+.

Whaaaat? Where can you get a TT kit installed for 30k? I thought they are all $50k?

[serpent]

Whaaaat? Where can you get a TT kit installed for 30k? I thought they are all $50k?
A performance shop can do it for that much. A viper specialty shop will cost that $50k.

[1.8t]

^ Agreed. Every TT kit I have seen is $50k+ installed/tuned.

[Whitey]

https://youtu.be/76hJyRZXJYI

[Anton28]

A performance shop can do it for that much. A viper specialty shop will cost that $50k.

With all the nightmare stories that I've seen over the last 15 years of being a part of the Viper community, I wouldn't let anyone touch a viper that's not a speciality shop when it comes to custom work like that. I remember when TT kits were running 100k from guys like Underground racing.

[Neoex]

With all the nightmare stories that I've seen over the last 15 years of being a part of the Viper community, I wouldn't let anyone touch a viper that's not a speciality shop when it comes to custom work like that. I remember when TT kits were running 100k from guys like Underground racing.


These kits are ridiculous priced. its headers, turbos, intercoolers, injectors, piping. (possibly a fuel pump/maf/throttle body) guys like underground are making a killing these kits.(reason you see the owners in las vegas throwing money around for days) Kits for mustangs are 3-7k, there is nothing special other than the tune for a different vehicle.

[Anton28]

These kits are ridiculous priced. its headers, turbos, intercoolers, injectors, piping. (possibly a fuel pump/maf/throttle body) guys like underground are making a killing these kits.(reason you see the owners in las vegas throwing money around for days) Kits for mustangs are 3-7k, there is nothing special other than the tune for a different vehicle.

How can you even compare the labor and quality that's needed to build a 150k Viper vs a 30k Mustang? The computer just to run a TT kit on a viper is 10k or so. At 200 bucks an hour, 50k gets you 250 hours worth of labor, minus the cost of parts and you are left with 125 hours or so to fabricate a kit. Plus guys like NTH are doing it in less than 30 days. Whats really their profit margin? Maybe 10k. That's a lot of work for 10k, plus shop and employee expenses. I'd rather spend 50k and have a quality product from a reputable brand than try and save even 20k and let some "other" shop cut my car up and "experiment on it" for 6 months or so. The upside is not worth the risk. Guys that have been through major builds like me with these cars will agree with my logic.

[Anton28]

https://youtu.be/76hJyRZXJYI


Wow, 747 RWHP NA!!! Holly shit. How much is a 9L conversion?

[Jack B]

How can you even compare the labor and quality that's needed to build a 150k Viper vs a 30k Mustang? The computer just to run a TT kit on a viper is 10k or so. At 200 bucks an hour, 50k gets you 250 hours worth of labor, minus the cost of parts and you are left with 125 hours or so to fabricate a kit. Plus guys like NTH are doing it in less than 30 days. Whats really their profit marging? Maybe 10k. That's a lot of work for 10k, plus shop and employee expenses. I'd rather spend 50k and have a quality product from a reputable brand than try and save even 20k and let some "other" shop cut my car up and "experiment on it" for 6 months or so. The upside is not worth the risk. Guys that have been through major builds like me with these cars will agree with my logic.

You are making way too much sense. Good point on the pcm, with a custom harnesses the new pcm could push over 15K with the programming.

[Vipes]

I'd have trouble spending $35-$40k for 747rwhp when you can get 721rwhp for $13k installed with an A&C H/C build. The blower does seem like the best bang for the buck for 900+rwhp. It's nice having some options these days.

[Anton28]

You are making way too much sense. Good point on the pcm, with a custom harnesses the new pcm could push over 15K with the programming.

Yes exactly! I forgot about the harness.

[Neoex]

My point was more about the hardware, a precision turbo whether its bolted to a mustang or a viper or a Lamborghini costs the same, same with the intercooler and the injectors and the clamps. They all push the same air. The development cost on tuning different vehicles would be the x-factor. Ive actually owned all 3. I feel like the "lambo" tax was the worst of them all

[Jack B]

I'd have trouble spending $35-$40k for 747rwhp when you can get 721rwhp for $13k installed with an A&C H/C build. The blower does seem like the best bang for the buck for 900+rwhp. It's nice having some options these days.

I would compare the torque and hp under the curve, just guessing, but, you will find a difference. The 9L torque is almost flat line from 3000 rpm to 6000 rpm.

[Jack B]

My point was more about the hardware, a precision turbo whether its bolted to a mustang or a viper or a Lamborghini costs the same, same with the intercooler and the injectors and the clamps. They all push the same air. The development cost on tuning different vehicles would be the x-factor. Ive actually owned all 3. I feel like the "lambo" tax was the worst of them all

With the G5 there are issues with the pcm that force you into an after-market pcm, this adds 15-20K to the kit. Then add the custom fuel system that adds another $2-3K. Now add the Nth Moto clutch for $4K plus (that is the only clutch that has held up at higher HP). All this makes the starting point of the build close to $30K before any tuning, hardware or transportation.

[kriskyk]

I think a twin turbo setup that focus on the power under the curve within in the stock PCMs ability would be pretty cool, ie not every one is looking for 1000+ HP

[outnumbered]

Towards the end of this older video, there is good graph comparison, albeit nothing on the 9.0. I looked for that on Youtube, but was unable to find anything.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UySdaOLlbvA&t=35s

[serpent]

I'd have trouble spending $35-$40k for 747rwhp when you can get 721rwhp for $13k installed with an A&C H/C build. The blower does seem like the best bang for the buck for 900+rwhp. It's nice having some options these days.
I’m very curious about that setup too, they’re in socal and it makes close to the power a 9L makes. Sounds like a win win. Just need to see how stout the setup is for the track/drag racing and street driving along with long distance cruising. I like Slowhatch’s setup in sneakysnake, h&c from VE.

[Scot@Prefix]

I'd have trouble spending $35-$40k for 747rwhp when you can get 721rwhp for $13k installed with an A&C H/C build. The blower does seem like the best bang for the buck for 900+rwhp. It's nice having some options these days.

Watch the other videos posted from A&C on that green Viper, it has a big bore kit with his heads and cam. They dont mention that in the H/C video but the other video they have on the car does mention that the engine is a complete custom build with a big bore kit.

Here is the video with them telling they are doing the big bore kit
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QknvI3BtqzQ

[Steve M]

They mention big bore in that first video, but only say different pistons and rods in the second video (and a bump in compression). One other important note: the 721 RWHP was on 91 octane.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UySdaOLlbvA

[Scot@Prefix]

They mention big bore in that first video, but only say different pistons and rods in the second video (and a bump in compression). One other important note: the 721 RWHP was on 91 octane.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UySdaOLlbvA

All our packages are based off premium pump gas, so 91 to 93 octane.

[Anton28]

So does the 9L build come with Heads and Cam or is it only a short block upgrade?

[Voice of Reason]

In the A&C video it’s mentioned their gains come in at 4200 rpm. For the 9L setup what are the gains from 3000-4200? IMO for street driving that’s a critical RPM range to show gains so if there’s an extra 50-100 ftlbs torque available in the 9L in those 1200 rpm that tells me what I’m saving my money towards. Otherwise what A&C shows is damn impressive.

[Jack B]

So does the 9L build come with Heads and Cam or is it only a short block upgrade?

As far as we have seen, all of the 9L cars also have the HC package. The extreme is a different cam (beyond the standard HC package) and fuel pump upgrade. It would be hard to beat the 9L package in a NA build with 91 octane and no injection. What about the 9L extreme with water-meth injection, race gas and a different tune?

[Jack B]

In the A&C video it’s mentioned their gains come in at 4200 rpm. For the 9L setup what are the gains from 3000-4200? IMO for street driving that’s a critical RPM range to show gains so if there’s an extra 50-100 ftlbs torque available in the 9L in those 1200 rpm that tells me what I’m saving my money towards. Otherwise what A&C shows is damn impressive.

In general the HC pushes the peak torque up approx 200 rpms, however, the 9l adds another 75 ft lbs (eng dyno) so you virtually start above the the HC throughout the range. You have to ride in a 9L, it is very different. The biggest issue is getting the power to the ground.

[Anton28]

Whatever happened to the Calvo Paxton kit they were building.

[outnumbered]

ProSpeed's kit is very appealing and I haven't ruled it out. However, there is a certain level of appeal of staying naturally aspirated. Most of the race classes separate NA vs power adder's, and with the HP gains with the heads and cam, the Viper becomes a strong contender. Plus, I don't know what sounds better, the whine of the SC, or the lope of the big cam.

[Neoex]

I saw some people mentiion Nth moto in this thread and thought this was an interesting read; if cross-site posting isnt allowed feel free to delete:
http://www.lambopower.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=82177&st=0#entry1302901

[Anton28]

I'm having a hard time understanding why no one is able or not willing to retrofit a kenny bell unit for a gen 5. With today's in-house manufacturing abilities vs 10 years ago, this should be a walk in the park. Seems like a gen2 Roe kit would look amazing under the hood.

[Anton28]

I saw some people mentiion Nth moto in this thread and thought this was an interesting read; if cross-site posting isnt allowed feel free to delete:
http://www.lambopower.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=82177&st=0#entry1302901

First bad thing ive seen online about NTH. I hope they come forward with their side of the story. Right now its seems pretty fkd up.

[Anton28]

ProSpeed's kit is very appealing and I haven't ruled it out. However, there is a certain level of appeal of staying naturally aspirated. Most of the race classes separate NA vs power adder's, and with the HP gains with the heads and cam, the Viper becomes a strong contender. Plus, I don't know what sounds better, the whine of the SC, or the lope of the big cam.

Is it me or do you think they could have made the intake piping look a bit more attractive? The way they built their "Y" looks pretty ugly to me.

[Scott_in_fl]

I'm having a hard time understanding why no one is able or not willing to retrofit a kenny bell unit for a gen 5. With today's in-house manufacturing abilities vs 10 years ago, this should be a walk in the park. Seems like a gen2 Roe kit would look amazing under the hood.

Yes, this would be amazing.


This horse has been beat over and over. Small market,R&D costs, Not a lot of room,Tuning issues, Crank snout issues to name a few.

Apparently true, even though hard to imagine in this day and age when guys would easily pay $20k for such a kit (extrapolating from costs of other power adder options currently available and the popularity of those options -- 750whp from a Kenne Bell type SC should pull those numbers today no problem).

[Scott_in_fl]

First bad thing ive seen online about NTH. I hope they come forward with their side of the story. Right now its seems pretty fkd up.

Me too. Crazy story and I know the owner is on here as well. I did not have the time to read the whole thing, but if this statement is true then he should have called an attorney to get this resolved by now:

"Nth Moto orchestrated and middle-manned the sale of the TT Lamborghini Superleggera to me, which I later found out that it was because the prior owner had threatened to sue them as the car/build never performed as promised. This was not disclosed to me! If I had known I would never have bought someone else's headache."

[Anton28]

This horse has been beat over and over. Small market,R&D costs, Not a lot of room,Tuning issues, Crank snout issues to name a few.

All true.....I would think someone would have taken this one though......

[Anton28]

Yes, this would be amazing.



Apparently true, even though hard to imagine in this day and age when guys would easily pay $20k for such a kit (extrapolating from costs of other power adder options currently available and the popularity of those options -- 750whp from a Kenne Bell type SC should pull those numbers today no problem).

Good point, 20k would be a fair price these days for a KB kit like that.

[outnumbered]

Is it me or do you think they could have made the intake piping look a bit more attractive? The way they built their "Y" looks pretty ugly to me.

I think the look would change once everything was pieced together.

[Anton28]

I think the look would change once everything was pieced together.


I've seen it instaled. Correct me if I'm wrong, but this company used to be called D3 right?

[outnumbered]

I've seen it instaled. Correct me if I'm wrong, but this company used to be called D3 right?

So the "Y" pipe was a little lack luster installed?

Correct, D3. I believe the owner's name is Evan.

I would love to hear some reviews from people that have put some miles on the system.

[Anton28]

So the "Y" pipe was a little lack luster installed?

Correct, D3. I believe the owner's name is Evan.

I would love to hear some reviews from people that have put some miles on the system.

I'm surprised that no one is running that kit, must be a reason for it.....

[kriskyk]

People are running this kit, I've seen one in person

Didn't realize they remarketed themselves as ProSpeed,....

[socal]

There is a 940 rwhp Black viper w this kit for sale on the Facebook page Street Car Market.

[Anton28]

There is a 940 rwhp Black viper w this kit for sale on the Facebook page Street Car Market.

Here it is!

https://www.facebook.com/streetcarmarket/videos/1656524171078505/

[Anton28]

People are running this kit, I've seen one in person

Didn't realize they remarketed themselves as ProSpeed,....


I didn't either. Wonder why.

[outnumbered]

I didn't either. Wonder why.

Not that this is the case here, but businesses sometimes rename after they have filed bankruptcy.

[kriskyk]

That's reassuring lol

[TrackAire]

Here it is!

https://www.facebook.com/streetcarmarket/videos/1656524171078505/

It has to make me wonder, if I was selling a 940 hp Viper, I would probably show it capable of more than just idling. Are there any videos showing its driving manners?

[Vipes]

Here it is!

https://www.facebook.com/streetcarmarket/videos/1656524171078505/

That's a badass setup!

[C5Longhorn]

I didn't either. Wonder why.

Not that this is the case here, but businesses sometimes rename after they have filed bankruptcy.

Their name change was due to a trademark dispute with another company with similar name.

[outnumbered]

Their name change was due to a trademark dispute with another company with similar name.

Thanks for the clarification.

[Anton28]

I agree and who sell stuff on fakebook anyway.

People used to say the same thing about craigslist and even eBay..... Facebook is the place to go for everything now. It has the biggest reach.

[outnumbered]

I think that car is a steal at $97k.

[gmiles]

I agree. Great price for all of that work. Again, I have had the Prospeed 750 package for quite some time. If there are any specific questions I can take a shot at answering them.

[kriskyk]

What were the oil and water temps like under sustained period s of use?

[outnumbered]

I agree. Great price for all of that work. Again, I have had the Prospeed 750 package for quite some time. If there are any specific questions I can take a shot at answering them.

Did you have ProSpeed install it, or someone local to you? Any tuning issues?

[allan88]

I think that car is a steal at $97k.

Thanks, I bought the car 4 weeks ago in Columbia, SC, and drove it to Ft. Lauderdale .... Sweeeeet
Car is getting shipped to Denmark....:D

Viper FIX Dyno (https://www.facebook.com/ecarmotorsports/videos/10155480004988786/?t=24)

[Anton28]

Thanks, I bought the car 4 weeks ago in Columbia, SC, and drove it to Ft. Lauderdale .... Sweeeeet
Car is getting shipped to Denmark....:D

Viper FIX Dyno (https://www.facebook.com/ecarmotorsports/videos/10155480004988786/?t=24)

Lucky man! Congrats!!!! Lets us know how you like it. We are all very curious about the setup, its reliability and performance. Maybe after a couple of weeks of ownership you can let us know your opinion on the car as far as its drivability, tunning, and anything else that you find note worthy. :)

[Anton28]

I agree. Great price for all of that work. Again, I have had the Prospeed 750 package for quite some time. If there are any specific questions I can take a shot at answering them.

Whats all included in the package? Did you do the install yourself? Did you have to purchase anything else to improve add to or improve what was already in the kit? How many miles have you put in the set up? Any issues with tunning? Thanks in advance!

[Vipes]

I agree. Great price for all of that work. Again, I have had the Prospeed 750 package for quite some time. If there are any specific questions I can take a shot at answering them.

Hey Greg. Are you happy with the kit? Do you monitor the air/fuel ratio when you drive? Does the car run a lot better with the Motec vs stock ecu? Who tuned it if you don’t mind me asking?

[TOMBOTT2014]

Do you have a cat delete and does it have a problem passing inspections. I want to do the SC system with cam and heads. A and C says it can make over 1000 WHP with HP tuners. My only issue is what happens when a inspection is done and the inspection machine is looking for monitor readiness. I hear with HP Tuners can disable or put monitors in ready status. Does anyone have any experience with this ?

[Anton28]

Do you have a cat delete and does it have a problem passing inspections. I want to do the SC system with cam and heads. A and C says it can make over 1000 WHP with HP tuners. My only issue is what happens when a inspection is done and the inspection machine is looking for monitor readiness. I hear with HP Tuners can disable or put monitors in ready status. Does anyone have any experience with this ?

If you are woried about smog, these mods wont work for you.

[TOMBOTT2014]

If you are woried about smog, these mods wont work for you.

I'm not worried about smog only that I can get around the monitors. By your comment your saying there is no way around it. I had no problem with my Gen 2 . Disabled the O2 and Cat monitors

[Anton28]

I'm not worried about smog only that I can get around the monitors. By your comment your saying there is no way around it. I had no problem with my Gen 2 . Disabled the O2 and Cat monitors

Many things have changed over years with smog. I'm not sure how far back you had your gen2 but back in the early 2000s getting around smog was a completely different story then it is today. Now you through gen5 electronics in the mix......

[TOMBOTT2014]

Many things have changed over years with smog. I'm not sure how far back you had your gen2 but back in the early 2000s getting around smog was a completely different story then it is today. Now you through gen5 electronics in the mix......
Sold it in 2014. In NY and other states we no longer test emissions through the tail pipe we just plug into the OBD2 plug. The machine just picks up the Vin # and makes sure the car is running and looks at readiness of the monitors. Im an inspector so I know the drill. I know there is really no way to get around it on the NYS equipment side of it but was hoping to hear that HP Tuners could disable the monitors and show them ready.

[Steve M]

Sold it in 2014. In NY and other states we no longer test emissions through the tail pipe we just plug into the OBD2 plug. The machine just picks up the Vin # and makes sure the car is running and looks at readiness of the monitors. Im an inspector so I know the drill. I know there is really no way to get around it on the NYS equipment side of it but was hoping to hear that HP Tuners could disable the monitors and show them ready.

Todd @ A&C should be able to tell you. I've disabled the monitors on mine with HPTuners, but I don't have to pass a plug-in emissions test, so I'm not sure how it reads when plugged in to "the man's" machine.

[TOMBOTT2014]

Spoke to Todd a couple of times already. He's not sure either. He's going to try to see if it does with one of the cars he has at the shop. It's real easy find out if I only had a car in front of me. All i would have to do is hook up to the obd2 and see if the scanner picks up the vin automatically and then reads the monitors

[TOMBOTT2014]

Todd @ A&C should be able to tell you. I've disabled the monitors on mine with HPTuners, but I don't have to pass a plug-in emissions test, so I'm not sure how it reads when plugged in to "the man's" machine.

Do you have the heads, cam , headers and SC set up from A and C ? If so how is it ?

[Vipes]

Here it is!

https://www.facebook.com/streetcarmarket/videos/1656524171078505/

Does anyone know if this car is on the stock ecu/hp tuners? I’m curious how it would run with the upgraded fuel system?

[outnumbered]

Todd @ A&C should be able to tell you. I've disabled the monitors on mine with HPTuners, but I don't have to pass a plug-in emissions test, so I'm not sure how it reads when plugged in to "the man's" machine.

I'm in NC with OBDII testing, and I pass inspection with HPTuner's. All monitors are "ready"

[Steve M]

Do you have the heads, cam , headers and SC set up from A and C ? If so how is it ?

Negative, just someone that uses HPTuners.

[cubeman]

I'm in NC with OBDII testing, and I pass inspection with HPTuner's. All monitors are "ready"

same here in NY, they show as ready

[Anton28]

Does anyone know if this car is on the stock ecu/hp tuners? I’m curious how it would run with the upgraded fuel system?

AC Performance did the build. It would be nice to have him chime in....

[JR@Prospeed]

With the G5 there are issues with the pcm that force you into an after-market pcm, this adds 15-20K to the kit. Then add the custom fuel system that adds another $2-3K. Now add the Nth Moto clutch for $4K plus (that is the only clutch that has held up at higher HP). All this makes the starting point of the build close to $30K before any tuning, hardware or transportation.

If you go with an aftermarket camshaft and lose the varible valve timing you can use a PROEFI engine management which is a little more cost effective ($7500) ; )
But you will still need a fuel system to make big power numbers.. right around 800HP is the limit of the stock fuel system on gasoline.

[TOMBOTT2014]

same here in NY, they show as ready

What set up are you running ? Do you have a SC , cam and head ?

[dakotagoon]

Mine is just now getting finished up at A&C.

https://www.facebook.com/search/top/?q=viper%20owners%20association

[Anton28]

Mine is just now getting finished up at A&C.

https://www.facebook.com/search/top/?q=viper%20owners%20association

I saw his post on instagram! Keep us updated if you would after you take delivery. Would love to hear real-life feedback. I spoke with Todd regarding the same set up.

How long has the build taken so far?

[Vipes]

Mine is just now getting finished up at A&C.

https://www.facebook.com/search/top/?q=viper%20owners%20association

I can’t get the link to work. I’m curious what you had done....

[dakotagoon]

Todd's head/cam package and fuel system along with the F1X procharger set up.
Video should play? I will embed it when I get home.

[dakotagoon]

Cant get it to embed for some reason so I will post another vid that is a follow up to the first.

https://www.facebook.com/toddabrams71/videos/10209369642358342/
Car should be delivered in the next couple weeks and hopefully I will get some seat time after we finish up springs work.

[kriskyk]

That's awesome!

[JR@Prospeed]

Todd and the whole team @ A&C do great work!
You're going to have a fun car when he is done.

[Anton28]

Cant get it to embed for some reason so I will post another vid that is a follow up to the first.

https://www.facebook.com/toddabrams71/videos/10209369642358342/
Car should be delivered in the next couple weeks and hopefully I will get some seat time after we finish up springs work.

Wow great vid. Todd should have his own "Viper" Tv show. :)

[Murpowa]

Updates??

[Acperformance]

I hope Curtis (Dakotagoon) Chimes in. I believe he is VERY happy with his Gen 5. It would be very hard to beat the sound, power, and driveability that Viper has. It may be hard to see 1000whp with no meth, NOS, no heads or cam, on 91 octane with blower only. With heads and cam and just a fuel pump upgrade, I'd say 850whp is the most I would want to push. We have uncovered a few things that do make a big big difference on the Gen 5's with heads cam blower. Not disclosing much but every Gen 5 with heads, cam blower, on straight 91 octane can expect 900-1000whp.

With only HP Tuners the car will perform flawless. We truly havent done many Procharger only Builds, but with the knowledge we have gained, it should be a crazy bang for the buck.

In regards to A&C Heads cams vs the 9.0?>. The 9.0 will have more tq. This is what gets us going. Hence the reason we have a just built our own stroker. This one in particular will be over 9.2 liters and has higher compression. It is going to Qatar. But will be installed and tuned here so we will have some real numbers as far as whp and wtq. It will also be tuned on HP Tuners. It has an even bigger cam than our normal builds. It should set the Viper NA bar pretty high :)

Pro speed makes a great package, hands down. Nobody will be disappointed as long as the install part is done correctly and tuning as well.

[element155]

I hope Curtis (Dakotagoon) Chimes in. I believe he is VERY happy with his Gen 5. It would be very hard to beat the sound, power, and driveability that Viper has. It may be hard to see 1000whp with no meth, NOS, no heads or cam, on 91 octane with blower only. With heads and cam and just a fuel pump upgrade, I'd say 850whp is the most I would want to push. We have uncovered a few things that do make a big big difference on the Gen 5's with heads cam blower. Not disclosing much but every Gen 5 with heads, cam blower, on straight 91 octane can expect 900-1000whp.

With only HP Tuners the car will perform flawless. We truly havent done many Procharger only Builds, but with the knowledge we have gained, it should be a crazy bang for the buck.

In regards to A&C Heads cams vs the 9.0?>. The 9.0 will have more tq. This is what gets us going. Hence the reason we have a just built our own stroker. This one in particular will be over 9.2 liters and has higher compression. It is going to Qatar. But will be installed and tuned here so we will have some real numbers as far as whp and wtq. It will also be tuned on HP Tuners. It has an even bigger cam than our normal builds. It should set the Viper NA bar pretty high :)

Pro speed makes a great package, hands down. Nobody will be disappointed as long as the install part is done correctly and tuning as well.

im stoked to here what results you get with the extra .2l, are you going to use stock intake and tb or ported or custom on top
?

[dakotagoon]

Finally got some time to play with the new setup on the car and it has been everything I hoped for. The wife and I have taken it on two trips this summer both over 600 miles in duration and it has performed flawlessly. Both trips were run with daytime temps in the high 90's and there were no issues with heat or performance.
There has been quite a few different scenarios that allowed me to push it pretty hard head to head with other big hp cars that are local to me and I couldn't be happier. The power comes on hard and pulls very consistently to redline. My limiting factor right now is traction but that will be resolved later this fall.
Giving it a 10/10 as far as my expectations are concerned. Thanks again Todd!

[Acperformance]

Thanks Curtis, I was about to reach out just to see how everything was:) I am glad your 100 Percent happy. I knew you would be !

[outnumbered]

Todd, when you do your heads/cam install do you recommend pulling the motor and checking the main bearings?